you get people more emotionally motivated by, for example, abu ghraib photographs. these kids will not be ideologically motivated. they might be emotionally motivated to say america is bad. the flip side is if we can flip the tide against al qaeda, the same emotional trigger that got them to believe that, you might be able to conviction them as an 8 or 10-year-old, that's not right and switch them back. >> you heard him talk about possibly hundreds of thousands of children and you see the video of these kids, all those boys were, what? 7 to 10 years old, chanting with such enthusiasm. and some of them are much younger. 4 and 5. that is just very hard to watch. it brings tears to your eyes. >> you have to think about the time frame. we tend to think in tex days or weeks or months. we've been involved in iraq for more than a decade. somebody who was 12 years old ten years ago is now perfectly capable of -- if that person was radicalized ten years ago, they're a fully pledged fighter. the half life of an insurgency is a decade. we're only a few months into this counter