before long, gruber was being cited everywhere, on capitol hill -- >> according to gruber, who has been our guide on a lot of this, it's somewhere in the vicinity of an $8 billion cost. >> reporter: and in the press, in 2009, gruber released his house health care analysis which was picked up by "washington post" columnist ezra klein. mit health economist john gruber sends along a paper looking at premiums under the new house plan. the white house blog then quickly linked to klein's post, and praised gruber's, quote, objective analysis. which then made its way back up to capitol hill. and still no mention that gruber was working for hhs. >> i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's analysis. in compa >> two weeks later, gruber's analysis of the senate version of the health care bill, that was picked up by atlantic's ron brownstein in a piece caled a milestone in the health care journey, gruber is quoted this way, quote, gruber is a leading health economist at the massachusetts institute of technology who is consulted by politicians in both parties, nothing about his hhs contract or

gruber. he portrays himself as sort of the hero of the book explain healthcare law against monsters. including insurance premiums will rise through the roof that this creature is talking about. of course, they have. and, you know, it's really an interest read, actually, but. >> how much does that cost by the way? pay more for that one? >> that's a good question. it says here, let's see. how much is that 15 bucks? >> 13.95. >> $10 on amazon. deal on amazon. >> nice, making -- a the loft things they are saying aren't going to happen really do. end of employer provided insurance. we have heard that argument being made as well. this whole thing about what he was talking about when he said the cbo as scoring this as not being a tax. i was there when this law was being debated on capitol hill. put a price tag being build that congress is putting together. the idea that he were in trying to use the cbo lawmakers. >> i don't have any sympathy for any quote deceived lawmakers because not one of them b

gruber's involvement in the process. or -- >> the news here the past few days about comments made by mr. gruber. >> i don't know who he is. [laughing] >> jon: can you ever not, not disappoint us? you don't know who he is. >> our bill brings down rates. i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber, the analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo. >> jon: who ever that guy is. so, that's pretty lousy. politically. gruber still hasn't done structural damage to the act. >> through political compromise the decision was made state should play a critical roll in running the health insurance exchanges. this is a centerpiece of the reform. your citizens don't get tax credits. >> jon: oh, boy. gruber seems to suggest the law provides subsidies through state exchanges not the federal exchange. since the federal exchange covered 36 states that would affect the affordable part. the affordable care act. here is the thing. that is one clause and ignore the rest of the law. they say when states fail to step up and create the r

gruber >> jonathan gruber earned millions with being praised by the obama administration. bret baier with a closer look at the lack of transparency. >> there was not a provision in the healthcare law that was not excessively debated and full by deba debated. >> looking back the process was anything but transparent. james rosen noted the founder of liberty fire dog late.com james hatcher wrote in march of 2010 about gruber. she called it troubling lamenting the lack of disclosure on part of the white house the senate dmc and other democratic leaders who distributed gruber's work and sited it as independent validation of the proposal will orchestrating the appearance of broad consensus when in fact it was all part of the same effort. an effort that started picking up steam soon after gruber's 400,000 dollar hhs contract went into effect in 2009. before long gruber was being sited every where on capitol hill. >> according to gruber who has been our guide on all of this. >> in early november gruber released the house healthcare bill analysis which was picked up by then "washin

john gruber ... bill: white house records show gruber visited no less than a dozen times since the president took office. some say it's as highs 20. you have the president in 2006 mentioning him by name. john kerry did the same thing three years later as did harry reid in 2009. it seems gruber got around in washington, d.c. >> he was a favorite in politics because he was the one who argued that giving away health insurance -- free health insurance would save money which is something democrats wanted to hear. so they liked we had to say that free stuff costs less which is counterintuitive. so he was a popular guy on the democratic circuit. bill: the white house used gruber to go after mitt romney in the campaign in 2012. >> we know how important gruber was as the shaman of free stuff. and he was a great political fool because he was a tool the president could use against mitt romney when you say how dare you attack me on obamacare i used the massachusetts law to build it. bill: do you agree with that

than gruber. when they were putting obama care together, many times he was cited as being a genius, he was brilliant. now they tell the truth but about how he actually got the law passed, by pulling the wool over the american people's eyes, now he's a moron. >> he pulled the pull over all the democrat who is voted for it's eyes because they had to do it to get it passed. my point is this, he's a genius because he got it by you. >> can i make one? >> i agree with him, that the trust factor for the president is a real problem now. i mean you can't take this hit over and over and over again and not expect that to begin to be a problem. now whether i don't believe all these things are true, that have caused the road to mistrust. but the road to mistrust -- the kochk is controlled by the other party and you got two years left. >> from the media perspective, it is not the first time that the media has collectively, maybe unspoken. it's like this weird code, protected president obama and the person that

he's saying that knows gruber, not only that he knows gruber, he was going to pull ideas from gruber. >> i want to hear the expert, the profes sorry. >> president obama was right, there was debate on this, the players in the house and the senate were all in on it. whenever there was a debate about obama care, they were always asking questions about what this is a lie and they were told no. i'm beginning to feel really bad for gruber, because he might needs some serious therapy when you think got the fact that he's met all of these people. that's got to be hell on your self esteem. it's like beetleguis, if you can't say his name, if you say his name three times, you get chaos, remember the bloody mary urban legend, if you say gruber three times in front of a mirror, you loses your health care. >> if you disgraced yourself in battle, nobody could talk to you, they would look around you. >> here's the bigger point, president obama is the first surfer president we have ever had. he rides every single crisis to shore and he's standing up when he gets there, that surf board is the media, ea

. >> when he signed that into law he thanked jonathan gruber. >> jonathan gruber at m.i.t. devoted hours and hours. >> how does a nerd get in a game like this? through numbers. >> reporter: having designed a program. susan connecticut, delaware, kansas, and oregon came calling. >> almost immediately i was called by governor schwarzenegger in california. >> among his fans, a young senator named barack obama. one meeting led to another. before long he was elected president and gruber was summoned to the oval office. >> he realized he had to take on health care costs and that this law could be a vehicle for doing so. >> reporter: but gruber knew just as mitt rollny did that the massachusetts model wouldn't work nationally. massachusetts had extra money to pay for it secured by its influential senator ted kennedy. >> ted kennedy who had been delivering $400 million a year in flush funds to our safe net hospitals that the bush administration was threatening to takeaway. the romney administration went there and said can we keep the money to use it to pay for the uninsured and the

than gruber. when they were putting obama care together, many times he was cited as being a genius, he was brilliant. now they tell the truth but pulling the wool over the american people's eyes, now he's a moron. >> he pulled the pull over all the democrat who is voted for it's eyes because they had to do it to get it passed. my point is this, he's a genius because he got it by you. >> can i make one? >> i agree with him, that the trust factor for the president is a real problem now. i mean you can't take this hit over and over and over again and not expect that to begin to be a problem. now whether i don't believe all these things are true, that have caused the road to mistrust. but the road to mistrust -- the kochk is controlled by the other party and you got two years left. >> from the media perspective, it is not the first time that the media has collectively, maybe unspoken. it's like this weird code, protected president obama and the person that asked him about that that had the strongest f

liberally john gruber. >> john gruber. he must be in shock tonight. none of those folks can remember him. none of those folks seem to know what role he played in obamacare. i don't know if they could recognize him right now. they can't put enough distance between themselves and the professor. and the mainstream liberal national media ignoring the story. politifact reporting that since the story broke last monday, cnn has mentioned gruber 27 times. msnbc mustering the courage to mention him 79 times. fox news, well, 779 times. republicans now circulating a list of the 22 times president obama has admitted he does not have the constitutional authority to change immigration laws through executive action. the president will move forward with executive amnesty the white house says despite his repeated acknowledgment of the limitations of the presidency. our next guest, i'm told reliably blames republican. joining me the five cohost columnist for the hill, juan williams. great to have you here. your spokesman today saying the pr

>> are we done with gruber already? >> we are done with gruber. he made the money. >> can i say gruber was not the architect of obamacare? >> he isn't? what was he? >> a paid consultant by a man who saw that insurance companies were ripping off regular people, a man who passed a law to try to get people covered, and this guy was an economist to help crunch the numbers and people did get covered. and the man who passed the law was mitt romney. >> i knew you were going there. so why is he at the white house 17 times? >> 7 and 8. >> 7 and 8. 15. they couldn't crunch the numbers themselves? >> he signed into the white house, right? so he's not an employee. >> he's an independent contractor. >> that's why mitt romney and barack obama hired the same guy to do a virtual identical health care plan. >> you know my dluting this by mitt romney does not make it any less egregious. >> how many people do you think, tv guys think americans are stupid. we have heard nothing new about this law. there's no scandal. >> i think the americans are brilliant, okay? >> i

and jonathan gruber is instead we'll call him a republican gruber, hans gruber or simon gruber. then we have nancy pelosi. instead that's played by john boehner. and you had the president who made misleading statements and easily disproven around john gruber. you have john gruber who has made potentially millions. we have nancy pelosi saying she never heard of john gruber and 18 seconds later video proof shows not only did she know him but praised his analysis. you put all that together and nbc news doesn't cover that once. if this were a republican like i just described boehner, bush and another gruber, this would be the lead story 11 straight nights, i'll bet you the george washington bridge that would be the case. >> i would take that bet on your side. what do you think? >> it's fascinating. you were playing the clip of chuck todd recently who had said what's the news of -- >> let me play so you can make a comment. >> please. >> he was on my friend's show. watch this. >> the networks nine days before they talked about it. and now it's a huge story. >> i'm not saying it's not

. >> do you know who jonathan gruber is? >> who? >> jonathan gruber? >> no. >> he was one of the main, key architects behind obamacare, and he said it was basically because of the stupidity of the american voter that it was able to get passed. what do you think about that? >> that if it was not for the stupidity of the american voter? the american voter's quite smart. >> i would hope that's not true, but i don't know the situation. >> disrespectful. why would he, like, have something bad to say about people? >> politically, it doesn't make a lot of sense. consulting. >> well, maybe he's right if i don't know who he is. [laughter] >> what would you say to someone who called the american voter stupid? >> it just shows he's not necessarily in touch with america as a whole. he has a slanted, biased opinion about what he's trying to get accomplished politically. >> i think he'd be wrong. >> he's not too bright. >> he's not too bright. >> he shouldn't be in charge of anything. not very nice. melissa: yeah, not very nice, indeed. let's go to our panel for a q

the problem is not that gruber helped them put obamacare together man. what he said in the last two weeks and how the white house has handled it. >> steve rattner there who was in the white house and called gruber the man. we are back with the panel. george, your thoughts on this? >> well, they don't need gruber to help the supreme court case that may, in my÷g-e4 judgment will gut the obamacare law. because, although what gruber said is inconvenient, there is other legislative history. what was said in the finance committee, the authorizing committee was that, as gruber said, the point was to restrict the subsidies, to states that would establish their own exchanges in order to squeeze, that was gruber's phrase, to squeeze the states into compliance. so, they don't need gruber because they have got the same thing echoed in the actual legislative history, which it is quite ream for a court to consult. >> i guess the thing that hits people in the face is when you hear the white house, you hear the president calling him some advisor. you hear the president

where in the world is gruber? >> gruber goober. peter johnson, jr. >> steve austin. >> on a serious note, a great reminder to americans on the truth that they deserve. >> it's so funny, but so tragic, too. >> great reminder to the american people. >>> now this, coming up, convicted serial killer charles manson may soon be getting married. how in the world can that happen? we're going to tell you. and thanksgiving is a great time to learn more about your family's heritage. our next guest does exactly that and today she's taking a look at ainsley's family tree. we can't wait. ainsley is in for us. ♪ ♪ right when you feel a cold sore, abreva can heal it in as few as two and a half days when used at the first sign. without it the virus spreads from cell to cell. only abreva penetrates deep and starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. you could heal your cold sore, fast, as fast as two and a half days when used at the first sign. learn how abreva starts to work immediately at abreva.com don't tough it

john gruber, he said. the guy he said he doesn't know, but has been stealing ideas from for at least eight years. at least now president obama owes gruber a debt of gratitude. perhaps we all do. at long last bringing some sliver of transparency to the obama administration. now, our quotation of the evening. this one from the third president of the united states thomas jefferson who said, quote, it is error alone which needs the support of the government. truth can stand by itself. we are coming right back. >> the nation founded on individual liberty and the rule of law facing the prospect of oppression in the digital age. we take up free markets and individual freedom here next how can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of r mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest w

john gruber, he said. the guy he said he doesn't know, but has been stealing ideas from for at least eight years. at least now president obama owes gruber a debt of gratitude. perhaps we all do. at long last bringing some sliver of transparency to the obama administration. now, our quotation of the evening. this one from the third president of the united states thomas jefferson who said, quote, it is error alone which needs the support of the government. truth can stand by itself. we are coming right back. >> the nation founded on individual liberty and the rule of law facing the prospect of oppression in the digital age. we take up free markets and individual freedom here next lou: we're delighted to have phil the president of american commitment the chairmen of the internet freedom coalition, it's his group that uncovered this gruber video and the the video of president obama saying he had to thank john gruber for the ideas he had stolen from him and others. phil, it's great to have you here. these video

if these people that are saying every couple days, who gruber, where gruber, horton hears a gruber. they're embarrassing themselves. nancy pelosi saying she has never heard of jonathan gruber barak obama is doing this act. i don't know who tells him it makes him look cool it doesn't it makes him look out of touch. how many times do we hear i was just told about this va ca vasc. if he were president of the united states he said jonathan gruber for health care reform. i mean, there is talk about taking a one-day story and making it a one-week or two-week story, they should have just come out and said jonathan grubary strong guy, they helped us draft there bill. he's an idiot. there are obvious reasons why he's a tenured professor. because he's an idiot in front of cameras. he helped put together this package. they can't get out of tear way. >> here's the thing. watching those two sound bytes back to back when the president said he didn't joe is absolutely right. the white house staff, you got to wonder about the staff. you got a smart guy saying stupid things. why they don't say just

gruber said he didn't mean it. we found a second video and a third and number four came out today. >> oh no. >> caught on tape, the architect busted. which brings us to today when nancy pelosi pretended today she never heard of him. >> commenting on what was going on when we were writing the bill who has withdrawn some of it, the statements that he made. so let's put him aside. >> okay. the beginning of that sound bite she said she mentioned jonathan gruber. fair enough. she didn't know him. how do you explain this? she quoted him on the website. maybe a different mit professor of jonathan gruber, perhaps. or maybe an aide posted that to her web. and also, how do you explain this, ma dom former speaker? >> i don't know if you have seen jonathan gruber's mit's analysis of the -- what the comparison is to the status quo versus what will happen in our bill. but those who seek insurance within the exchange and our bill takes down those costs. >> so, gruber thinks that americans are stupid. nancy pelosi thinks we're rea

you want to get rid of gruber, is that right? >> we actually have a saying here in vermont that vermont is what america was and we demand two things from those who are elected or appointed to official positions. one is transparency. and the other is respect. and when we don't get those things from people, we tend to get a little ornery and respond in kind. at this point this man has lost both the respect and transparency that is necessary to advance this size of a piece of social engineering. >> all right. well, your governor opposes you on this, right? >> he does. >> do you have any support in the rest of your legislature? actually having a caucus in my senate tomorrow morning to have a conversation about this. i don't know what the result will be. three of me colleagues from the house have actually sent a letter to the governor asking that he terminate the contract immediately, one other senator, kevin mullen and i have joined to ask the contract be terminated. >> who signed the contract to begin with? who signs this? >> that,

all fruits of gruber's lies. i love immigration, blue blood makes this country tick, but we're not just putting the cart before the horse, we're putting the world before our country. as we import the world's poor to compete with our own. what's next? in europe, the safety net stretched thin with youth unemployment festering at 21% and a marginalized military. that's what's next when nothing's right. >> kimberly, the new immigration, the new move on immigration is going to happen as early as next week? why the rush? >> why the rush? because they want to push it through as quickly as possible. this is what president obama said he wanted to do, he does not care about the will of the people, or perpetuating a fraud on the american people. what's sad is that we're able to care properly for our own. so now we are going to import the world's poor, to do what? the people who are here lawfully, who pay their taxes, who are still trying to get ahead for their family. it's very disconcerning to me. we had a marine who cross

now everybody else is running away from gruber. this is an extraordinary situation. >> it really is. if you look at the statement that the president makes in australia, that it was some advisor who said something that he doesn't agree with, just some advisor, then you look at nancy pelosi saying, i don't even know him, it is really stunning. it is like in your face, stunning, just not true. and i think that, even for the people who watch media bias, and say, you know, all the time, that there is this disparity, this is even egregious on that level. the fact that it wasn't covered for days and days and days. some networks only doing their first story today or yesterday on gruber. stuart: so where are we going with this thing? seems to me that if obamacare is falling to pieces. certainly chaotic at this moment. riddled with this internal scandal from gruber. does that just fire up the republicans to get out there and repeal this thing? >> it does, stuart. but you know, you just talked to the senator. they can do that. they can move i

good to be with you. >> poor jonathan gruber. a lot of people who knew him now pretending that they didn't know him. >> that's what is so offensive about this situation is that the white house, nancy pelosi and the president talking about his objective analysis. held it up as an example what they should craft their signature legislation after. now when they see what a disaster it is and what comments truly in the arrogance of him trying to hide him and distance himself. american people are smarter than that and we are going to keep talking about the fact that this is the element in the environment in which obamacare was drafted. that's why it's so flawed. >> do you think that americans deserve more of a response from the white house given the fact that we have seen all of these comments from various members of the white house and top democratic officials who said, you know, yes, that they admired his work. why not just be honest with the american people? >> absolutely. americans deserve the truth. an apology would be in order. al

professor jonathan gruber, what a jerk. with his arrogant attitude he told the american voter stupid. it's so boorish, you know what's worse in and far more serious than his boorish insults. abuse of power principles by transparency. transparency a big part of. he was deeply involved in designing obamacare and no matter how much obama administration gruber up to their eyeballs with them. listen to hem openly brag about deceiving the american people. huge political advantage and basically you know, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, basically that was something really critical in getting the thing to pass. >> gruber cued coo have been transparent. he chose not to to be and now his ugly game has been exhibited. so who is stupid now and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. right now to go gretawire.com and answer this. do you think serious issue or noise. vote in our poll. see you tomorrow night 7:00 p.m. eastern. sean has a special guest at 10:00 p.m. president bush. o'reilly factor is on. tonight.

gruber. who is getting the one-on-one to sit down with gruber? if i'm in the white house, he's radioactive. imagine if you sat down with him and you asked him, what role did you play? he says i was at the white house. i was int grl. i know the president. he's the one person we have not heard from and he's so arrogant. i find it very hard to believe that gruber is going to be thrown under the bus. >> he's going to get paid for his family photo so he can do a sit down network interview that's going to be -- it's going to be glossy, it's going to really gloss over some of the most important facts and, you know, here is a guy that no matter how you look at it, he -- his -- we've all given public speeches. we've all addressed a crowd and said something in the moment that later you regret and you can't necessarily dial back. but he said it a number of times. >> he hasn't said it wasn't true. >> he speaks to what's in his soul. >> so tick tock to what the republicans will do with this. will we see in january 2015 holding capitol hill hearings with jonat

. >> gruber, the student voter remarks-can't run from this. jonathan gruber among a very small group of economist summoned by the president to find more savings in the law when the congressional budget office first said the numbers didn't add up. remember this? >> worried about cost control and so we had a meeting in the oval office with several expects, including myself, on what can we do to get credible savings on cost control that the congressional budget office would recognize and score as savings. and that was a meeting that was very exciting because the economists in the room all said the number one thing you need to do is take on the tax for insurance. it's a political nightmare and people say you can't tax my benefits. feels like -- so, what we didn't -- think about how could -- talk about how we could make this work, and obama is like, well, -- he is a realistic guy. i can't just do this. it's just not going to happen politically. how do we manage to get there threw phase-ins and we talk about it. >> and apparently gruber talked about

one, gruber. and the second thing is that lucas tomlinson, a producer herw at fasox n uncovered this memo,t about immigration and so basically it got out in front oo the white house. they're not here to explain itig and shape it. of so they have lost yet anothero seven days, ten days before the president could explain why he thinks this is the right thing to do and why all of a sudden he isks t allowed to do it when hef he wants able to before. >> there you go. >> all right. >> you know what'so next?rnl >> facebook friday? >> yeah. facebook friday. >> here it comes. ♪ ♪ >> i think mark twain probably. >> interesting. >> very good. >> yeah. favorite book? >> favorite book? what's the name of the book -- >> santarim. >> dana from christine. will jasper have a 2015jasp calendars coming out? >> what are the groans? the jasper calendar is something i kind of just do for friends>> and family. >> darn it! >> but 2015 is going to be a really good year. >> working on it soon. >> we have to look at that

gruber. if all of this was as bad as you say, why did you take the money you earned as an advisor nor is it too late to give it back. what we have is another example of the sorry state of american politics where people take money for things in which they don't believe and whether it is good for the american people is not even a question. >> let's keep talking about jonathan gruber should he have to pay back the money he got for his obamacare work. log on to the fox and friends facebook page right after the show for a live debate at #keep talking. >> the dea has surprise inspections atlanta least three nfl games medical staff with the san francisco bucks and 49ers and seattle seahawks steps for illegal prescription drugs. they are not targeting specific teams it is an investigation into former player's claims the team miss handled prescription drugs. >> peterson could learn his fate by the end of the day. they are scheduled to meet with the nfl today. they need to determine what if any punishm

gruber had power. he designed owe bay you ma care and no matter how much pelosi tried to run away they are up to their eyeballs. listen to him openly brag about deceiving the american people. >> the lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. basically it called for the stupidity of the american voter or whatever. basically that was critical to getting this thing to pass. >> gruber could have been trans trans -- transparent. he chose not to be. who is stupid now? that's my off the record comment tonight. and right now go to greta wire.com and answer this. do you think jonathon gruber is a serious issue or just partisan noise? vote in our greta wire poll. don't forget, sean is the special guest at 10:00 p.m. sh -- president bush. >> tonight on "red eye." >> coming up on "red eye" just how difficult is it to find a needle in a hey stack? meet one slacker who had the tame to waste and the guts to find out. and what is wrong with the leather chaps the president got joe biden for his birthday? >> th

we didn't even sway that nbc led with these, they never led with gruber, they never even aired a gruber comment. they never even talked about grouper. >> it's not necessarily good for conservatives. >> it's in my block. i usually get the mcdonald's stories. >> hello kitty is your come on line. >> oh, my god. >> the nbc person leading with chucked to, he said -- do you what about to run it? sorry. i was. sure. >> roll it, go, chuck todd. >> i wouldn't say it's not a story, i'm not in charge of any of those network newscasts, but what is the news today, network news in general hasn't been covering the political back and forths of washington. i don't think that has to do with gruber specifically. i would just caution people. >> the guy is a senior white house correspondent for nbc. the guy knows it's a big story, but for some reason, he's just pretending. >> remember also how the story gets started u it wasn't because anybody in any of these news organizations fought it, it was because the citizens were so frustrated with obama care, he's the one that found it and brought it to our attenti

and gruber is the brains behind not just the president's health care plan, but that of many states. >> reporter: jonathan gruber has gone from the man with the magic health care form la to passive pariah. >> a huge political advantage and basically calls for the stupidity of the american voter. >> gruber's expertise had brought him millions in consulting fees including vermont. >> the only way we could pass it is by mislabeling it. >> reporter: four years ago, the nation decided to create the nation's first single payer system. which goes beyond obama care, because everyone's health care will be paid for by taxpayers. the problem was the cost -- to help figure out how to pay for it, the government turned to an architect of obama care, jonathan gruber. and as with obama care, president obama has a transparency problem. peter sterling runs vermont leads a single payer advocacy group, and he applauds the decision not to release all the details just yet. >> it's a very complicated, complicated evident that the administration is taking, it's like turning a battleship around. >> reporter: b

gruber. i prefer to say professor gruber. take a look at the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi now and back in 2009. >> i don't know who he is. he didn't help write our bill. >> i don't know if you had seen jonathan gruber's m.i.t. analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo. >> one, aren't these gyrations by democrats to distance themselves from professor gruber a little embarrassing? >> yeah, that looked bad. that's a gaffe, i would say. and i like the tape earlier when she said, have you to pass the law to see what's in it. that doesn't help. i think gruber was insulting to the american people and arrogant in his attitude. so, there's a lot of huberous involved here. are you kidding me? in washington? we package, we merchandise, just like, you know, procter & gamble and anybody else that's selling soap. of course, things are packaged in such a way as to promote -- >> so there's nothing new here? nothing gruber -- >> very little. i would say much ado about nothing with gruber except critics of obamacare

who exactly is jonathan gruber? >> we look at his rise to infamy. >> another shocking new remark from jonathan gruber. he points out what he believes is the passage of romney care in massachusetts. >> the dirty secret massachusetts is the feds pay for our bill. in massachusetts we have a po powerful senator ted kennedy. he basically figured out a way to rip off the feds for 400 million a year. >> then massachusetts governor mitt romney passed it into law he thanked jonathan gruber. >> jonathan gruber at mit devoted hours and hours into this model. >> how does a nerd get into a game like this after hours and hours. >> soon connecticut, delaware, kansas, oregon and other states came calling. among the fans a young senator barack obama. owe owe>> obama realized he had to take on healthcare costs. this law could be the vehicle for doing so. >> gruber knew just as mitt romney did thes ma mass model wouldn't work. massachusetts had extra money to pay for it secured by ted kennedy. >> gruber knew the only way it could work

gruber was not on the white house staff, that's true, he was a paid consultant. but the "washington post" reported gruber was among a small number of high profile economists invited to the oval office just a day before the president met with a group of hold out democrats. pat, via satellite from florida tonight, john and doug, let's start in the sunshine state with pat. you know, i'm curious to know, what do you think about the fact that this guy has come out? this is damaging, right? do you think he's got a beef of some sort? is this an accident? >> no, this guy is the personification of the arrogance of an elite gentry, liberal gentry of professors and most of the media in washington, this is why they didn't pick up the story to begin with, is that they have utter contempt for the american people. he is outrageous you know why? because he shares with the president the belief that not only are the american people stupid, but it's important for us that we can lie, cheat, steal, do whatever behave to go, bribe whatever to get the bill through, because we know what