the tpp. u.s. trade representative michael froman, a former agriculture secretary and others took part in this cato institute program. this is just shy of three hours. >>> good morning, everybody. we're starting right on time, it's 9:00. i'm pretty impressed. thank you to ambassador froman for getting here on time. welcome to the cato institute my name is dan ikenson i am director. herbert a. stiefel center for trade policy studies. i want to welcome you and people who may be watching through our live stream or who may be watching via c-span on c-span 3. i would like to suggest that if anybody has commentary or questions, especially for ambassador froman since he is not going to have time to take questions after his address, to post them on twitter and use the hashtag #catotpp and we will do our best to respond to your comments or questions and maybe post a blog post tomorrow or next week to be responsive to those. so the title of today's event is "should free traders support the trans-pacific

the tpp. this is an hour and 45 minutes. >> good morning, everybody. we're starting right on time. it's 9:00. i'm pretty impressed. thank you to ambassador froman for getting here. welcome to the cato institute. my name is dan ikenson. i want to welcome you, and i want to welcome people who may be watching through our live stream or who may be watching via c-span on c-span3. i would like to suggest if anybody has questions, especially for ambassador froman, he is not going have time to take questions after his address, to post them on twitter and use the #catotpp. peel do our best to respond to your questions or comments and maybe a blog post tomorrow or next week to be responsive to those. so the title of today's event should free traders support the transpacific partnership. and well, that seems like a rhetorical question to many, i imagine. of course free traders would support the tpp, or free trade agreements. but it's a little bit more complicated than that. it's free trade and free trade

against tpp. but what this amendment does, what the saunders amendment does in addition -- sorry, i'm sorry to yell. i know, but girls shouldn't yell, right? in addition to what was already take whattform is we trump has now used as a sound bite and we make it into a standard. that is what this does. these thingsall around. we need a democrat to have a standard on trade, to be about what we are for, not just what we are against, and what we are or, not just in the pacific, but in all areas of the world. and i want to make one more point -- in this amendment, the point about no more private courts -- this is not a hypothetical. cases are coming up in other countries that seem crazy of suing poland for billions of dollars because poland decided not to privatize a government function. this amendment says these are the standards we are for and we will hold everyone accountable for these standards of fair trade, not free trade. so i ask for unanimous support for the saunders amendment. >> one minute. o

against tpp. what is going on? so you still have something you can do. jim hightower's amendment is coming up, and that will take a clear stand against tpp and for a positive view of what we should do for our economy. thank you. >> i supported and agreed with the majority of his choices, but with all due respect to president obama, i cannot support this. he has done a wonderful job, amazing job in the wake of the recent economic crisis, but this is a point i simply cannot support. i am supporting the high tower amendment. we talk about party unity. the overwhelming majority of congress and american citizens oppose the tpp, including secretary clinton. we agree on this. it is our responsibility to represent the will of the people. this platform serves to continue to move the democratic party without future dangerous trade deal that jeopardize american jobs, environmental safety, and open the u.s. up to lawsuits from corporations effectively ending our sovereignty. we agree. why can we not simply sa

against tpp. but what this amendment does, what the saunders amendment does in addition -- sorry, i'm sorry to yell. i know, but girls shouldn't yell, right? in addition to what was already take whattform is we trump has now used as a sound bite and we make it into a standard. that is what this does. these thingsall around. we need a democrat to have a standard on trade, to be about what we are for, not just what we are against, and what we are or, not just in the pacific, but in all areas of the world. and i want to make one more point -- in this amendment, the point about no more private courts -- this is not a hypothetical. cases are coming up in other countries that seem crazy of suing poland for billions of dollars because poland decided not to privatize a government function. this amendment says these are the standards we are for and we will hold everyone accountable for these standards of fair trade, not free trade. so i ask for unanimous support for the saunders amendment. >> one minute. o

i do hope he will change his position on tpp. if he is going to support the democratic platform, he has to change. amy: supported fast-track to push through tpp. mr. stiglitz: i think that was a wrong position. amy: also joining with another or of other center -- a number of other senators fighting regulations on regional banks. mr. stiglitz: again, the issuee is, once you join of the democratic or, i think he is submitted desk committed to supporting -- i think he is committed to joining the democratic platform. the nobele talking to prize-winning economist joseph glitz. we will be back. ♪ [music break] al "what the world needs now" sung by over 40 broadway singers at the dnc last night. this is democracy now! we are breaking with convention: war, peace, and the presidency. we are speaking to hillary clinton advisor joseph stiglitz, nobel prize-winning economist, columbia professor. i want to ask a bernie sanders clinton'sed hillary policies. i want to turn first to president obama. >> we all need to be as vocal and is organiz

the governments that concluded tpp keep repeating that exclusion of tobacco from the tpp is a one-off and will not be repeated for other industries, but what if our governments look at the tpp and take example and say, hey, this is a great precedent? we can start excluding any industry where our population have a pet peeve against it. who's next? where will it end? i don't know. i would like to quote senator warren, who said the following: i'm glad tobacco laws are protected from ists, but what about food safety laws or drug safety laws or any other regulation designed to protect our citizens? so the slippery slope is already there. anyway, just to conclude, i'd like to remind you that the tobacco industry is not a big user of ists. the numbers speak for themselves, 694-2. it is a policy based on scare mongering and not facts. this is also a very badly drafted policy. the tpp's tobacco exclusion meticulously lists all activities tobacco companies are involved in but includes not one reference to public health. we're really faced with -- [inaudible] this does really not do anything to

china will enter the tpp through the back door at a later date. they are watching, studying, and they are not in it now, but if it is good, they will be there. if it is not, they will pass. the agreement will force american workers to compete directly against workers from vietnam. one of the lowest wage countries on earth. not only will the tpp undermine our economy, but our independence. that is what is happening. the tpp creates a new international commission that makes decisions the american people are no longer given the right to veto. these commissions are great for hillary's wall street funders who can spend vast amounts of money to influence the people on the commissions and the outcome. it should be no surprise that hillary clinton, according to bloomberg, took a leading part in drafting the transpacific partnership. please remember that. especially in november. [applause] mr. trump: she praised or pushed the tpp on 45 separate occasions and even called it "the gold standard." hillary clinton was totally for the tpp just a short while ago.

against tpp. what is going on? so you still have something you can do. jim hightower's amendment is coming up, and that will take a clear stand against tpp and for a positive view of what we should do for our economy. thank you. >> i supported and agreed with the majority of his choices, but with all due respect to president obama, i cannot support this. he has done a wonderful job, amazing job in the wake of the recent economic crisis, but this is a point i simply cannot support. i am supporting the high tower amendment. we talk about party unity. the overwhelming majority of congress and american citizens oppose the tpp, including secretary clinton. we agree on this. it is our responsibility to represent the will of the people. this platform serves to continue to move the democratic party without future dangerous trade deal that jeopardize american jobs, environmental safety, and open the u.s. up to lawsuits from corporations effectively ending our sovereignty. we agree. why can we not simply sa

>> nobody believes her on tpp. her delegates voted down an initiative that would have struck down tpp. those are her delegates, those are her surrogates. from our perspective she's done a double flip on tpp. people don't trust tim kaine because of his close ties to wall street. >> where are we right now, what delegation are you with? >> pennsylvania delegation. >> all right, the home state delegation. of course he's referring to the fight on the platform over the transpacific partnership, steve. many people say that the opposition to that within the platform committee came from president obama himself. i'm going to send it back to you. >> all right, jacob soboroff here. we still have congressman steve israel standing by. you see there is some dissent right now. >> well, some of the protesters are concerned about tpp. i'm concerned about tpp, so is hillary clinton. >> she picked a running mate who's for it, though. >> again, we are a diverse party and we have a diversity of opinion on specific issues. but what count

the tpp i is like nafta on steroids. id not understand what the strategy is at the democratic headquarters, the clinnn campaign, saying we should do this. i think they can lose the election over this. this is extraordinarily important. this is one of the reasons i think we have to show up in philly. owe him aders, we huge debt of gratitude. the same time, the only way i see a path forward and getting the democrats off of the tpp is like what fracking and with these other issues. we have to show up and organize. amy: will you be showing up at the rnc? >> no. amy: shailene woodleley, will yu be? >> no. amy: why have you chosen not to? >> i am not going because i am working. it wasn't an option. amy: we do a lot on art and resistance. you live in the world of hollywood. your famous film star and television star. can you talk about the atmosphere within that world and how much activism you see there and what you're trying to do within your own workspace? >> things are changing really quickly because of technology. because of

the tpp is like nafta on steroids. id not understand what the strategy is at the democratic headquarters, the clinton campaign, saying we should do this. i think they can lose the election over this. this is extraordinarily important. this is one of the reasons i think we have to show up in philly. owe him aders, we huge debt of gratitude. the same time, the only way i see a path forward and getting the democrats off of the tpp is like what fracking and with these other issues. we have to show up and organize. amy: will you be showing up at the rnc? >> no. amy: shailene woodley, will you be? >> no. amy: why have you chosen not to? >> i am not going because i am working. it wasn't an option. amy: we do a lot on art and resistance. you live in the world of hollywood. your famous film star and television star. can you talk about the atmosphere within that world and how much activism you see there and what you're trying to do within your own workspace? >> things are changing really quickly because of technology. because of

she lied about tpp. she was for tpp. she saw me on television knocking the hell out of it because it's a horror show. it's going to kill all our jobs, almost as bad as nafta, maybe worse, which her husband signed, by the way, which destroyed this country, destroyed manufacturing in the united states. i'll do something about it. that will be so renegotiated. by the way, yesterday for the first time, she says she wants to renegotiate trade agreements. first time yesterday, all because of me. she also saw me talking about tpp and currency manipulation and currency devaluation. she heard of it and said, wow, she can't win that subject in a debate. all of a sudden she goes against tpp. her vice president is one of the biggest proponents of tpp, and now he's going against it. and bernie sanders was right, he was against it. they will go for tpp and vote it in very shortly after this election if she wins, which, for the same of our country, we all hope and i hope that she doesn't. they will vote it in. mark my words. hopefully

hillary clinton was totally in favor of tpp, which is a job killer, right? so is he. when she watched me on your show and other shows, all of a sudden she changed because she knows she can't win that in a debate. >> all right. ted cruz amended, are you really going to fund a super pack to help defeat hillary in 2018.

of tpp and now he's going against it. and bernie sanders was right, he was against it.

tpp. well, in the last 12 hours, a big controversial has broken out over that when one of hillary clinton's close rs political allies, virginia governor terry mcauliffe said -- suggested i should say in an event last night she might end up supporting the tpp after the election. there might be a few changes she might then support it. terry mcauliffe has walked that statement back completely. her campaign continues to insist she opposes the tpp now. she will oppose it after the election. this is a major issue of concern for many bernie sanders' supporters, the tpp is an issue that senator tim kaine has previously been in favor of the tpp. we're looking to see what the response will be from some of these bernie sanders' delegates when the name of tim kaine is placed before them. especially in the wake of all of what we've had in the last 12 hours. that's going to be happening a few hours from now. we'll set the stage here in the next few minutes, jacob soberaff is in the sea of delegates. >>

she should allow there to be an actual of -- debate over tpp. floor therention should be a debate and vote on platform provisions. after talking about concerns uneconomic justice international trade, that is why we oppose the tpp. that was voted down on orders of hillary clinton and her forces. so not only tpp issue should be allowed by hillary clinton get to the floor, but two other issues which rank very high among our delegates in the survey, single-payer medicare for all. that should be brought to the floor. whoe are so many delegates have been struggling and fighting to bring it to the floor. hillary clinton is trying to block it. she should reverse course on that. the third one that rank very high was an all-out government mobilization on climate change. to recognize the global national security by any real definition threat that climate change is to humanity. and again, the clinton forces should reverse course and allow that platform fight to come to the floor. >> one more issue that i've heard talked about in choosing senator kaine is a

tpp,ey can't debate the how can they make changes to it? >> i rise in opposition to this amendment and go back to the sanders amendment we just the highestat has standard for workers, the highest standards to protect our environment that will apply not only now but in the future to all trade agreements, including tpp. thank you. >> we are going to go to a vote. please put up the issue. >> pursuant to agreement, each side has five minutes. we will go to a vote. please don't vote until it's on the screen. this is a yes vote would be in favor of the hightower amendment, a no vote would be against. >> courtney, please read the next amendment. x amendment number 46 -- >> amendment number 46. >> i apologize. courtney, i apologize. that was an amendment to the amendment. we have the original amendment. substitute? and it failed. pursuant to agreement, courtney read the next amendment, the amendment is deemed failed. number 46 sponsored page 10,o garcia on line 36. the proposed amendment is to have this section read us follows. democrats will suppo

as what is being proposed in this flawed trade agreement .alled tpp tpp must be transparent. as thisbe inclusive amendment provides. i believe, with all due respect, that this amendment offered by is clearly saunders a huge improvement to the existing language you have before you. guidelines for trade agreements to meet in order to gain passage to congress. this seriously flawed tpp does not and cannot meet these standards set forth in this direct result, i strongly urge you, my fellow democrats, to vote yes to this amendment, this pro-worker amendment, on trade for all american workers. [applause] >> my name is randi weingarten. i and the president of the 1.6-million-member american federation of teachers -- i am the president. [applause] tpp duringn against this year, during these 2, 3 years when we have watched communities all across the country, communities where our members are nurses, teachers, communities have been unraveled because of what has happened to our manufacturing base. and we are glad of the robust debate in the country this year thatade, and we are glad bot

first of all, in terms of tpp, tpp of the congressional approval, you will discover that my answer is a resounding yes with more enthusiasm that's been projected by some of the people here thus far this morning. and i say that notwithstanding the fact that we have two presidential candidates who are taking the opposite view including one of the presumed leader of my republican party today and all i would say to that is first of all, you are both wrong, dead wrong. in secondly, to the members of the press who are here, i wish you begin to do your jobs and ask them the questions that have not yet been asked thus far and that is if you don't like the ttp agreement, tell me why and explain your position. what is it about ttp that you don't like? do you just want to tear it up without understanding the consequences? if so, you better defend that. there is been very few hard questions like that from the press with either candidates thus far and i think that's most unfortunate. >> with respect to cato analysis here, there are a couple of items where i should shade it a little differently and

>> well, we have seen hillary flip-flop on the tpp once already. so i don't think it's impossible for her to do that again. i don't think counting on any one person to be responsible to stop the tpp is the way to go. it's important for ordinary people to and up and make their choices heard. it's important for congress to hear from the people they're opposed to it, because really, it comes down to congress ratifying the deal and if they don't do that, then no matter what hillary wants, it won't go through. >> proponents say what this does is facile its access between pacific rim countries. things like florida oranges are going to flow freely and japanese video games and the like, so what is it that concerns you most about this? is it jobs? is. >> well, the truth is that usually, trade deals are about eliminating tariffs that hinder trade between nations, but the truth is that america has signed so many trade agreements, there are very, very few tariffs left to hinder trade and that's obvious by the fact the tpp only has six chapters that address tra

she should allow there to be an debate over tpp. on the convention floor there should be a debate and vote on platform provisions. after talking about concerns uneconomic justice international trade, that is why we oppose the tpp. that was voted down on orders of hillary clinton and her forces. so not only tpp issue should be allowed by hillary clinton get to the floor, but two other issues which rank very high among our delegates in the survey, single-payer medicare for all. that should be brought to the floor. there are so many delegates who have been struggling and fighting to bring it to the floor. hillary clinton is trying to block it. she should reverse course on that. the third one that rank very high was an all-out government mobilization on climate change. to recognize the global national security by any real definition threat that climate change is to humanity. and again, the clinton forces should reverse course and allow that platform fight to come to the floor. >> one more issue that i've heard talked about in choosing s

made about the tpp. he's going to explain the comments he made about hillary clinton's potential to shift position about that controversial deal. >> unless she's happy with it, she's not going to support it. >> plus case closed. the breaking news and new reaction this hour after baltimore city prosecutors drop all charges gins against the remain iing police officers yeto be tried in the death of fred gi gray. stephanie raulings blake will be here this hour. but we begin with donald trump clarifying comments made during a news conference in florida while speaking to reporters he called upon russia to hack and release hillary clinton's e-mails. trump then doubling down by putting out this tweet. if russia or any other kocountr or person has hillary clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted e-mails, perhaps they should share them with the fub. >> but it is russia, it's bad for a different reason. it shows how little respect they have for our country. when they u would hack into a major party and get everything. bu

our hope with tpp and with ttip or at least the hope of some of us has been that if you could do tpp and then do ttip, you cover a vast amount of world trade. and if you can then fold those agreements into the wto, you could, you know, in a significant way improve the wto and do it without having 180-nation trade negotiation. so i still have some hope for that. but we've got to get tpp right, and we've got to get tpp approved before we can even think about whether that can be a base for a, you know, maybe a partial wto negotiation that would move a lot of that outcome into the wto. phil? >> i agree with all of that. what i would add, i like this image of trying to herd a hundred cats. one of the things that was available, though, was you at least had onefective threat which was that if a country wanted to be recalcitrant, wanted to hold out, you said, well, you won't be a founding member of the wto. that's a one-time trick, and this is what we found in the doha talks. you do that you, you've got 150 some countries in there, and now you've got to try to get unanimity. the big split th

canada has not taken a position on the tpp. it is the only of countries who have not stated whether it intends to ratify or not. do you think it would be helpful join with mexico and the united states? would it help with the ratification process in the united states? do you think it is likely? was negotiated under the previous administration in canada in need to know administration came in they made it clear they wanted to go through a robust consultation process around the country, different sectors and parts of the country, to make are they had the input of wide range of stakeholders before moving forward with tpp. and that is the process they are undergoing. we respect that decision. we respect that process and i do not think it has the significant process in the united states. >> i am looking at this from a different perspective. my name is martin. i am a scientist representing a large number of scientists. when we look at these kind of things, we would say at some point if you have a whole bunch of people who agree on some

here is trump from this afternoon. >> she lied about tpp. they will go for tpp. and vote it in very shortly after the election. if she wins. which for the sake of our country we all hope and i hope that she doesn't. they will vote it in, just mark my words. hopefully we don't have to worry about it. but she will vote for it. reporter: terry mcauliffe ended up walking those comments back. what he would like to see happen, not necessarily what he thinks will happen. bottom line, melissa, they gaveled in here on the dnc. we're talking about the clinton camp on defensive with issue donald trump has been pounding for a year, trade, specifically tpp. david: blake, thank you very much, appreciate it. melissa. melissa: donald trump challenging russia to find hillary clinton's missing emails. listen? >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. melissa: this is amid accusations that russia was behind the dnc email hack. bring in panel, joe trippi, former howard d

she told me she's against tpp now and she'll be against tpp later. i believe her. >> there are bernie sanders delegates say donald trump will be able to get to the left, essentially of hillary clinton on this issue. are you at all worried about your members voting for donald trump in november? >> no, i'm not. our members know that donald trump is unfit to be president. he would make it tougher for working people to make ends meet and he'd tear this country apart. he isn't anything but a fraud. hillary clinton's been with us for years and years on issue after issue. i know whenever they look at the facts they're going to vote for hillary clinton. she's going to be the next president of the united states. >> have you heard any pushback after terry mcauliffe's comments? >> most people know terry. they know he talks a little bit and thinks later. he said i was wrong, he admitted that openly. >> from the president of the afl/cio. >> let me bring the panel back. governor, i got to start with you, he's a western pennsylvania guy. you heard what he said. he'

she lied about tpp. she was for tpp, she saw me on television knocking the hell out of it because it's a horror show, it's going to kill all our jobs, it's going to be almost as bad as nafta, maybe worse which

first of all, are you a supporter of tpp? the big problem for those of you who aren't familiar with it out there who might be watching is that the concern is once you strike deals with pacific nations that pay their workers less, then products come into the united states that are cheaper and that hurts u.s. companies and u.s. workers. governor hodges. >> well, this is an area where i disagree with hillary clinton on. i have been in favor of the tpp like president obama. but frankly, she's been consistent on this. she's made it very clear during the campaign that she would not support the tpp and i accept her at her word. i think she feels that way. she's opposed to it, and there are a lot of reasons to support hillary clinton other than the tp. liz: but you feel the tpp is something that should go forward; correct? >> well, i don't have a vote, and she does. i understand her is reasons for that. i think she's concerned about whether or not we can adequately enforce provisions for the tpp. and i prepare repent her positions on

i follow the tpp for a while. when we are talking about obama administration is going to sell this to congress, it seems like, especially if the last year or so, more emphasis has been placed on the u.s. needs to be the strategic player in asia. it's not explicitly talking about china per se, but you know, i could probably say, yeah, this is meant to serve as some kind of counter weight to china's economic influence. is this a strategy that you believe will be successful or should it be the way to go or do you think it would play well with congress and have a greater chance of succeeding than focusing more solely on the economics rather than the strategic benefits? >> it is a really good question. personally, i maybe showing some of my political biases here. you know this administration does not have much credibility on foreign policy issues. there have not be very many success stories. i think tpp may be the most successful of all. nevertheless, as i pointed out earlier, we need to demonstrate leadership in asia.

tpp it's a standard that will not beat. that other tpp deals will not beat. we have to vote for the saunders amendment, i urge you to vote against the jealous amendment. >> one minute left. >> my name is kevin williamson commercialited workers union who represents more than 1.3 million members of the united states. democratic platform is meant to be aspirational. it is meant to guide us tour what we want our nation to be. a roadmap for how we apply our principles and values through governance. ufcw opposes tpp. this trade deal harms american workers at all whom we represent. supports thefc w saunders amendment which lays out the terms that must be met before any trade agreement can be met. that does not live up -- improving the lives of american workers. i encourage everyone here to think bigger to the opposition. >> just a point of clarification, i was added, not replacing. >> we will prepare to have a rollcall vote. recesses over -- recess is over. please take your seats. we are still on the same section which is fighting for economic fairness. the proposed

we do not support any senate vote on the tpp during their lame duck session this year. the agreement was not publicly discussed and debated on an issue by issue basis and we owe it to the next generation ofat americans to give more thoughtful consideration prior to entering into a well-meaning but centric agreement. there are too many questions to condone support of the tpp. >> the proponent of this amendment has one minute to explain it.it >> i yield my time to jim hyde tower. do i have to -- is it on here? >> yes. but only yielding one minute. >> yielding my time i got it. and we'll start the clock >> mr. chairman i call up to the amendment. j that's not in order because we have not had anyone speak tondm original amendment hasn't been seconded yet so original amendment needs to be stone to you have one minute to do it and then i'll see if there are supporters which i assume there will be, but we have to follow some decorum here. and i'm extending your one minute but it is on the issue of the original amendment.gi >> i'm in support of the original amendment and i woul

he does not speak for secretary clinton, and she is against tpp now, she's against tpp after the election. we have a huge lengthy agenda when it comes to creating jobs in this country and it includes rebuilding our infrastructure, increasing the minimum wage, more profit sharing for workers, you know what's not on that agenda, passing this tpp or renegotiating to get a different version. and in the recent conversations between secretary clinton and senator kaine, senator kaine also agreed with secretary clinton's position that this deal does not meet her tests. she is opposed to it now, she would be opposed to it in a lame duck or if she's president after january. >> she wasn't always opposed to it, she was in favor of it given whatever amendments came down the road. if you're saying that right now she is not winking and noddi and after an election, if she's elected, she would try to resurrect it maybe under some different name. >> no. absolutely not. with all do respect to the governor, i don't know why he is saying this. he has no basis for thinking this. that she's never said anything

it may even be that tpp would increase, our gdp. even that may be true, although the the statistics and studies disagree. i said to them, as long as tpp reduces the wages and working conditions of american workers i will oppose it. i want to say one other thing, ladies and gentlemen. [applause] should i, should i, god willing, become the majority leader, year going to have an entirely different approach on trade! we're going to protect american workers first! and then look at the geopolitical benefits, not the other way around. [applause] so, thank you. overgoing to win this fight. we are going to win this fight. interesting thing we have some republican allies in the senate, lindsey graham and susan collins and jeff sessions have been on our side in this issue. we have a very good chance not just talking about it, but doing something real and good about it. okay, next, i've been hoarse from cheering so much. and so, as i said last night, i thank all of you who were there with the new york delegation was thrilling an cheering and it

hillary clinton is against the tpp. it's interesting that it's become she's not against the tpp is a great grievance tonight. they may not believe it. also interesting to hear people say i will trust what bernie sanders says and what he says what you should do is support hillary clinton, trust me, they don't trust that. >> i fear millions believe tpp is a product of charmin. >> or that they're down with tpp, you know me. >> hillary clinton has absolutely left the door open to some kind of change that would allow her to get on board and the next president is going to have fast track authority. >> but she's against it in its current iteration. >> i guess. >> she was for it before she was against it. i think that gets to the core of what these three delegates are speaking to, which is this trust question, which dovetails into the argument that sanders is making until very recently and trump. the damage has been done to her image and you see it in the voices of those delegates. >> but these delegates are not representative

how do you vote anti-tpp or should you? >> well, you vote anti-tpp, among other things. we're talking about recognizing we belong in a global economy, we just don't think tpp starts by meeting the needs of working families, bigger paychecks, better jobs. we can find a path to that. the democrats and the congress have been overwhelmingly against tpp in its current form. the republicans have been overwhelmingly for it. so that's where that action will happen. >> let's talking about the democratic platform, i know you know it. there are so many big progressive elements to it. $15. can you get that through to congress? >> i think we can, yes. i think the worked of it, which both sides agree to is $15 an hour phased in. >> phased in. >> what about basically public college tuition so you don't have a debt when you go to college when you get out of a state university or college? is that doable and what would pay for that? >> when we had the majority, we passed legislation that reduced the cost of college loans. it expired in five years and the republicans weren't interested in

. >> take a look at what mike pence would say, tpp. he tweeted trade means jobs and trade means security and the time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the transpacific partnership. well, i mean, if i'm a republican voter or democratic voter who is not married to hillary clinton and i look at this and think, this guy thinks that tpp is rape and this guy thinks it's the best thing in the world. you'd be surprised. this is a split issue in our party. not everyone is craze betpp. i can tell you these delegates aren't craze bethe tpp. a lot of the base isn't crazy about tpp. >> the vice president is. >> listen, not -- not as wildly crazy as you may think. >> trade means job, but trade also means security and the time has come for all of us to urge the swift adoption of the tpp which donald trump thinks is rape. >> listen. that's true, and what i'm saying to you is that some folks in our party like tpp, some don't. the fact that we have two people together that have a different opinion on tpp is not some sort of stunning,

opposition to tpp. should secretary clinton oppose and guarantee she'll oppose it for four years. >> she's been very clear she's opposed tpp and she's been very clear he xi has a real plan to bring jobs back to america and has a plan on trade making sure we're tough on trade. so if china is dumping steel or aluminum, she's called for a trade prosecutor reporting directly to hero. she also has ha plan to expand manufacturing jobs near america. donald trump is a fraud. he's the outsource nr in chief. and listening to him talk about how he's going to put america first again. he's spent his entire career putting his own profits first. >> bernie sanders is just as via heemt against thvehement agains >> donald trump has said wages are too high in america. donald trump has said low minimum wage is a good thing for america. donald trump makes his suits in mexico, when i've been to a plant in ohio that uses union labor to make their suit donald trump has saidepeatedly oh i'm going to make america first. but when

supposing tpp as they pointed ut was very popular. a lot of the ideas sanders had ep in mind he came in as the most popular person running for president this year by a lot. their argument was all right maybe platforms are not what voters focus on every year. if the party gets on record for all these ideas we know voters like them and we know that we can contrast them with donald trump. the thing about tpp one argument made by the sanders folks was donald trump is for the first time the republican nominee who is anti-free trade. there's a likelihood republicans run on that message for the first time in a generation. nd democrats would be weakened . the platform is seen as the angle for that. host: the union leader reportings you indcate that secretary clinton will be in new hampshire for an event on tuesday. while the campaign has not said publicly senator bernie sanders expected to join secretary clinton. although they're not saying so. why the secret? >> that happens a lot. i think there's a desire to have those camps maintain a litt

let's talk about tpp. a lot of senior administration officials have warned of the importance of ratification of tpp. mexico is a tpp signatory. the tpp is the opposite of what many of the principal trump recommendations are on trade. i have two questions. presuming that we do not ratify, what is the effect going to be on mexico? what is the negative effect of not having tpp, and in particular, how does that effects the u.s.-mexico relationship? and then talk about what are the economic advantages for mexico if we do ratified? prof. shambaugh: on the first one, which is one i prefer not to think about, but if we do not ratify, there is a real risk to the u.s. in its relationship with mexico, but more broadly in its relationship as a global leader with a lot of countries. trade is going to happen regardless of what we do with tpp. the big question is how to you want to shape that trade? how'd you want to shape these economic relationships? what do you want the rules of the road to be? tpp sets up a certain s

they don't like the tpp as it's written. they'll have some tpp-like thing. >> she's going to support the trade deal. they may change the name of it, they may change the wrapping, they may put a bow on it, but more confident at the end of the day, bernie sanders and his supporters, they have it right. she is a free trader, she has always been a free trader, she will always be a free trader. >> the phrase by terry mcauliffe, she's down with tpp. look, she's taken this position, and in the real world, there is probably not going to be a lame duck vote before she would take office if she won, so when january comes, she's going to have to face the world if she wins and say, i said all campaigns i was against, not just tpp, but this kind of trade deal. if she's president it's going to be fascinating to see if she wants to start her presidency -- because these deals are right now. the world is waiting for the world to get in or not. >> if you want somebody that supports free and unfettered trade, vote for the democrat. because the

, you can't trust her because she picked a pro-tpp senator. but it's hard, there was not many people on that short list that wasn't in favor of tpp other than really elizabeth warren. most of the folks that were on the list, because most of the democratic party of the rising stars, barack obama worked really hard to get them to support this, including tom perez, who was one of the progressive folks. and one of the things you ought to know is most of the time, it wasn't that long ago, especially in virginia, and this is where progressives are going to nitpick at kaine a little bit, it wasn't that long ago in virginia if you were a democrat, you really had to run to the middle. run to the middle on guns. i remember the first time tim kaine ran for governor, they bragged about being pro-life. he has amended that to say he's personally pro-life but has always been in favor of keeping all the laws that are on the books and access to abortion and things like that. but the very recent centrist nature of virginia is something, you know, whether it's o

to tpp. should secretary clinton oppose this and guarantee she will oppose it throughout her four years? >> secretary clinton has been very clear she opposes tpp and secretary clinton has been very clear she has a real plan to bring jobs back to america and a plan on trade that starts with making sure we're tough on trade so if china is dumping steel or aluminum, she's called for a trade prosecutor and she also has a plan to bring manufacturing jobs and expand them here in america by investing in workers. donald trump is a fraud. he is an -- he's the outsourcer in chief justice and listening to him talk about how he's going to put america first again, he spent his entire career putting profits first. >> he's not the only one -- mr. secretary -- >> i understand that. >> bernie sanders is just as against this and his people are fighting to get opposition in the democratic platform. what do you see to sanders? >> well, again, this election is between hillary clinton and donald trump and donald t

and now they want to go into tpp, trans-pacific partnership. that will make nafta in my opinion look like a baby. now, we don't play the game the way they play the game. they play the game to win. we play the game in this country to survive. we are going to start playing the game to win. >> well, the two most pressing concerns for many americans right now are terror, of course, and the economy. donald trump says he has answers to both. he's going to renegotiate trade deals and get tough with china and he's going to take the gloves off against isis. he says the country's falling apart, that we have even worse to fear from hillary clinton. >> the trans-pacific partnership is another disaster. done and pushed by special interests. who want to rape our country, just the continuing rape of our country. >> hillary clinton unleashed a trade war against the american worker when she supported one terrible deal after another. >> you will be hurt worse than ever before if she becomes president. >> isis was created during the hillary clinton regime. if she

tpp or proposing tpp is the feel-good in the air. what is stopping this which is a substantial trade a deal and we should say barack obama named policy in the remainder of his term. what is something that tpp has accomplished and how does that fit into a larger structural change that reconciles what you are talking about with your mom? >> is a great question. it's about maintaining sovereignty for people who are trying to stop it. but i think what you are pointing to is also symbolic. it's also a symbol of the is the democratic party going to be the party that is standing up for workers and not going forward with a the secretive corporate written trade agreement or is it going to be the party that's going to say how can we bring jobs home demonstrating that we are fighting for building our economy at home. >> opening up american companies with products that will be made abroad doesn't help working-class people. an american company may not have access to india and they don't necessarily bring in products. they bring products that are