ken: exactly. then you get into war, and begin to see that this pact you have to make with the devil, there are gaps in it. you can see the other side in his case. and the americans, as well. we have a marina talking about house garrett he was and how much he respected them and hated them in the same breath, the people he was fighting. you have a celebrated american colonel saying, i would like to have 200 of these of viet cong. they are the finest soldiers. he said they are the finest soldiers after he had held them off. this is charging charlie after , holding them off for days and days and days, a fighter pilot says in war you have to get on , the right side. i really have respect for the people down there that kept the ho chi minh trail open as i was trying to bomb it. i am telling you, i'm unhappy that i was able to stop traffic there. that was my job. lynn: we translated the entire film into vietnamese. we have the subtitles streaming in vietnam. hundreds of thousands of people in vietnam are

ken: exactly. then you get into war and using the pact you make with the devil, there are gaps in it. you can see the other side in his case. with the americans, we have a marine talking about how scared he was and how much you respected and hated all in the same breath the people he was fighting. colonel an american that says i would like to have 200 of these of viet cong. he said they are the finest soldiers after he had held them off. after holding them off for days and days and days, a fighter pilot says in war you have to get on the right side. i really have respect for the people down there that kept the ho chi minh trail open. i am telling you, i'm unhappy and was able to stop traffic there. those my job. lynn: we translated the entire bill into vietnamese -- the into vietnamese. hundreds of thousands of people in vietnam are watching as we speak. there is great interest there. charlie: the irony we have come to us we have a good relationship with vietnam. lynn: we have a potentially common

tonight we talk to filmmakers ken burns and lynn novick. their new series "the vietnam war" is currently airing on pbs. >> we have stride over the last decade to take advantage of 40 years of new scholarship, new access to the country, and also the willingness of these veterans now, sometimes for the very first time across-the-board, north vietnamese, soldiers and civilians and south vietnamese soldiers and civilians, guerillas and a whole pan plea of americans to start asking that question, what happened? >> there's been a lot done about this subject, books, documentaries, feature films, novels. it's not like no one has ever tried. but it remain this kind of unfinished business in american history. in order to move on with the country at all, we have to really understand what happened. and we've never done that with vietnam. >> a good time now, the decades have passed. we have always felt that in any kind of historical presentation you have to have 25 or 30 years perspective, the kind of try angulation that can take place from that pass ag

. >> the chinese name of ken is not known. but people just called him ken. ken yu clearly knew that and purposely put his chinese name on that check for that reason, to obfuscate that it was him who had given, quote, gift to the borrower. >> mr. yu, what is the commitment letter? >> that the bank agrees to give this borrower a loan if all the conditions were met. >> right. and gift letters, for example, have to be in the file before you close, but not before the commitment letter goes out, isn't that right? >> you are right, sir. >> so the verification of employment that you helped fake, the gift letters that you helped fake, were done after vera sung approved this loan on behalf of the board of directors, isn't that right? >> in this case, yes. >> it's trying for us because it's our father's legacy. >> exactly. >> and he's passed that legacy on to us. and vera, when she wants to be very mean to me, she'll point out, "it happened under your watch," right? so she can be very mean to me. (hair clippers buzzing) (conversation in chinese) >> so much time has gon

ken will lead us off. we are here taking a march if you folks onstage would grab a flag and take it out for the walk with us, and we are really psyched you folks argue. once again, thank you for walking on this planet with me. i love you all very much. we love you all very much. plant a piece ball and make peace prevail on earth. [applause] >> give it up again for jim and all its energy. i love it, man. [applause] >> so we're going to all grab some flags here, and we're going to head out on the march. the most important thing that i was able to remember was part of this march is that dialogue, it's civility, it's being able to walk together and talk together. we're not going to be doing too many chants and things as he walked. instead we're going to talk to each other. we are going to take pictures, we're going to give hugs with going to be able to embrace one another. are you guys okay with that? that's what we're going to do. we are going to continue this message of love and unity. you guys grab some fla

and back with us, ken vogel. joyce vance, to this advice that lawyers are giving to trump staffers, don't lie for the president, what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's awfully good advice, lawrence. because lying to a federal agent whose conducting an investigation is enough to get you your own personal ticket to federal prison. none of these witnesses want to be converted from witnesses to subjects or targets of this investigation. their best way of maintaining their status as witness is to continue to tell investigators the truth, to produce documents, to not withhold material information, to answer questions honestly. prosecutors love to say that it's the cover-up that hangs people up. and that's true time and time again in these public corruption investigations. >> and ken, i think you and i know that there are a lot of politicians over the years who really you would have to say that to their staffs because their staffs love them, devoted to them, and were with them for many years and could feel like may

ken, thank you for bringing me up. get a hand for ken for inviting me. [cheers] [applause] we will cut to some music really quick. we will place in music today. namoomi? give it up for naomi. >> there we go. sorry. perfect. how is everyone doing today? good afternoon, d.c. it is such a privilege to be part of this event. i am a woman. clearly i am a woman. i am a woman who is determined to make this world a better place with my words, guitar and music. i will sing a couple of songs for you guys. i hope you are empowered and reminded you are good. you came from love and you are capable of doing so much goodness in this world. i will a song called "when troubled." ♪ it seems we have no time for mistakes of people before us ooh we have not taken -- from the hollo holocaust ooh one one man declares his religion is better than the rest you know we are in trouble isanted eclairs his race superior to the rest you know we're in trouble we're in trouble we're in trouble you know we are in trouble where in trouble we are in trouble you know we are, we are in tro

march 8th of this year ken vogel is still on this story. reports based on multiple sources that manafort was still dealing with this guy throughout the campaign. not just from the past, lasted through the election. and kostya from the gru had taken two trips to the united states to visit with paul manafort while he was working for the campaign. upon returning home from one of those trips to the united states, the guy from the gru reportedly started bragging around kiev that he had been the one that got that plank changed in the republican party platform. after a late summer trip to the united states he suggested he had played a role in vetting a proposed amendment to the republican party platform that had staked out a more adversarial stance toward russia. that's who did it. russian intelligence guy is bragging about this in 2016. that's who did it or at least who is bragging about it. two weeks later the associated press pounding another stone into this path. direction they took it? suddenly made it seem very serious. associated press repo

joining us codirectors ken burns and lynn novick. ken and lynn, there's been a lot done on the vietnam war but what is so interesting you've done tell the story of the north vietnamese as well. i want to play a compelling clip of american soldier and north vietnamese then talk to you about it after we watch it. >> every major contact i remember with the mva was initiated by them ambushing us. outnumbered us and we were fighting in their yard. they knew the ground, we didn't. they were just really good. >> the north vietnamese carried soviet-made seemingly indestructionible ak-47s. the marines had to fight with newly issued m16 rifles that had for a time a potentially fatal design flaw. they needed constant cleaning and often jammed in the middle of fire fights. their rifles worked, our didn't. the m16 was a piece of [ bleep ] you cantle your bullets at the enemy have them be effective. and that rifle malfunctioned on us repeatedly. >> my hatred for them was pure. i hated them so much. i was so scared. i was terrified of him. the scar

happened just before the speech from ken. they're leaving the venice economic summit. they're boarding air force one. the fax machine at the back of the plane begins clacking away because the state department is submitting, by my count it would have been the seventh alternative draft, and they're considering this and the president makes his final decision in the limousine on the way to the wall and ken said they talked about it and then ronald reagan leaned over and the jump seats because he leaned over and he slapped ken on the knee, and he said the boys at state would kill me for this, but it's the right thing to do. >> that's a real reaganist. >> what was reagan -- what was the opinion of reagan among the germans at that time? if i'm not mistaken there were a lot of fears and there were even some -- there were some protests by leftist groups, anarchists and the like in the days leading up to his visit. what did people think of ronald reagan at that time? >> reagan's image in germany went through, i mean, almost 180-degree

ken, tell me first of all, just take me through this scoop, first of all, and how you proceeded. did you keep eating and shush whichever source you were wining and dining in a swanky steakhouse. >> i don't get the sense they wanted to be heard. i've seen a little speculation on that point on twitter and elsewhere. and, you know, typically with folks in trump's orbit, if there's a spectrum between like incredibly devious sort of manipulative puppet mastery and just clumsy and incompetence, it's almost always going to be closer to that clumsy incompetence. so i think that's what happened here, that they were just very indiscreet. i was sitting there, as you suggested, with a source having a source lunch and noticed these two guys come in and my source was like, we'll walk down the street together. i said why don't you just go yourself and i'm going to hang on. i sat there typing on my iphone, taking notes on what they said. it was quite revealing, and i was quite surprised they were being so indiscrete with such sensitive information on such a sensitive topic. >> one of the things

i agree with ken, making promises on the campaign trail. >> ron clain and ken vogel, ken, your article tonight describes a party unlike anything we have ever seen in washington. mandatory reading. thank you very much, both of you, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> coming up, the president defended his attacks on football players today. and, of course, the president managed to at least tweet about puerto rico. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress: that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. as long as they have someone to believe in them. citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. and the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. we backed the marshall plan that helped europe regain its strength. and pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime. for over two centuries we've supported dreams like these. and the people and companies behind them. so why should that matter to you? because, today,

i agree with ken, making promises on the campaign trail. >> ron clain and ken vogel, ken, your article tonight describes a party unlike anything we have ever seen in washington. mandatory reading. thank you very much, both of you, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> coming up, the president defended his attacks on football players today. and, of course, the president managed to at least tweet about puerto rico. hey, you every talk to anybody about your money? yeah, i got some financial guidance a while ago. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' but it's bryan with a 'y.' yeah, since birth. that drives me crazy. yes. it's on all your email. yes. they should know this? yeah. the guy was my brother-in-law. that's ridiculous. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. nice. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you. even if you're trying your best.be a daily struggle, along with diet and exercise, once-daily toujeo® may help you control your blood sugar. get into a daily groove. â™

robert: how about you, ken? tell us a little bit about how you got started in the program, as well as what you're kind of getting out of it. ken hinh: so, an advisor came to my school to outreach to my school about this program. and i thought it would be a wonderful opportunity to participate in using my resources in the community to help my community. and by using these resources, i hope to become a voice for my community. and in addition to that, boof or amplify provides a sort of safe space for me to feel confident to be creative and express myself. robert: that's right, you have to develop. give me an idea of what do you want to do. how do you want to be a voice? ken: so, i want to be a voice in my community by, you know, outreaching to my community members, and talking to a lot of politicians, and having these community events. and by having awareness of certain issues, such as problem gambling or using these sorts of arts and media to outreach in my community. robert: yeah, yeah, arts and media is kind of

march 8th of this year ken vogel is still on this story. reports based on multiple sources that manafort was still dealing with this guy throughout his time on the campaign. not just from the past, lasted through the election. and kostya from the gru had taken two trips to the united states to visit with paul manafort while he was working for the campaign. upon returning home from one of those trips to the united states, the guy from the gru kostya, reportedly started bragging around kiev that he had been the one that got that plank changed in the republican party platform. quote after a late summer trip to the united states he suggested he had played a role in vetting a proposed amendment to the republican party platform that would have staked out a more adversarial stance toward russia. so that's who did it. a russian intelligence guy is bragging about this in 2016. that's who did it or at least that's who is bragging about it. two weeks later the associated press pounding another stone into this path. and the direction they took it? sudd

i'm not the slightest bit worried. >> reporter: ken lives on venecian island. it's a smaller island that connects. we're talking barrier islands here. hard to get to for the fire department if anything were to go wrong. have you ever experienced a category four hurricane in this area of the city before? >> well, i road out wilma, and i made it. i'm going to be riding out this one, and we're going to make it. i just know we're going to make it. i have total faith in the universe to deliver health and safety. >> we have a question from our anchors. >> mariana, i understand his passion and desire to stay there. can you ask him why he is so committed to staying there? is there a personal reason? does he not to leave his home? does he have nowhere to go? why is he so attached to staying there? >> ken, why are you so attached to staying given the threat that we're facing? is there a personal reason, a medical condition, a pet, your home? >> well, the home, the pet. it seemed like a lot of work to leave. it's not that easy to just book planes, jump on flights, get hot

at an outdoor table, ken cuccinelli, you laugh, but i'm right? this is lawyering 101. this isn't even lawyering 101. this is lawyering 1 1/2. we are told this in law school as budding lawyers and they're true. there are so many of them. this is amazing, look, guys, get a tab at pizza hut and eat in. this is amazing. this is amazing! >> next to the new york times washington d.c. headquarters. i mean, is this, asha, is this the best legal team the president can find? >> this seems like a mickey mouse legal team to me. as ken said this is lawyering 101 and there are many ethical and legal issues with these two attorneys having a conversation like this. we need to remember, brooke, that they actually represent two different clients. john dowd represents the president in his personal capacity and ty cobb is white house counsel so they have different responsibilities to those clients to be discussing this in the open where they can be overheard, really opens up a lot of issues including waiving potential privileges and based on what was reported it's now given mueller a new

ken is going to lead us off. if you folks on stage would grab a flag and take it for the walk with us, we are really psyched you are here. thank you for walking on this planet with me. we love you all very much. may peace prevail on earth! [cheers and applause] >> give it up for jim and all of his energy. i love it. we are going to all grab some flags here and we are going to head out on the march. the most important thing i want everyone to remember is that dialogue and civility is being able to walk and talk together. we're not going to be doing too many chants and things as we walk. instead we are going to talk to each other. we are going to take pictures, give hugs, embrace one another. are you guys ok with that? yes? ok. that is what we are going to do. we are going to continue this message of love and unity. grab some flags here. we will all be joining you guys out there. i'm sure there are people on the stage that want to take pictures with. feel free to make it happen. thank you guys. >> you guys know we

his name is ken. >> meet ken warner, a wisconsin grad and self proclaimed badgers super fan going by the name kilted ken. >> i started collecting somewhere around 30 years ago or so. i have 753 books on football, 146 pennants. they go back to 1894. 417 football programs going back to the late 1800s. 30 different hats that i use for games. >> ken is such a huge fan, he married his wife at half-time of a wisconsin game. >> we walked straight across the 50 yard line and did all our vows, bucky badger, who was my ring bearer, by the way. the tux, actually, was part of my wedding, 150,000 stitches of bucky badger on the back. >> kilted ken is on the mission to set a record for the most college games attended in a lifetime. he's up to almost 500 games and has the hopes of attending 300 more. go, ken, go. >> my wife and i have gone to every game home and away. i keep track of it here. thanks for stopping by. go badgers! >> ken and his wife travel about an hour to get to every game. true super fans like lindsey here. what's one of your favorite things about games at wisconsin? >> the jump ar

>> reporter: ken, she's a berkeley middle schoolteacher. we'll show you that. we have video of her being arrested. today was to have a dialogue on both sides and that did happen, but also there was some violence and arrests. far right activist and leader of patriot prayer, joey gibson drew an expected crowd at cal this afternoon. >> no kkk! >> reporter: at first police in riot gear outnumbered the people who showed up for the rally and then something we vane seen, a planned sitdown talk -- haven't seen, a planned sitdown talk in the so-called empathy tent between opposing sides. >> i guess one thing that gabe was saying about you and this is the only thing i really know is that people have complained in your white supremist legacy. >> because people stood up to our rally, but i don't care about the color of your skin. i care about what's on the inside. >> reporter: and for the most part, that's what happened, a controlled dialogue, but it was the out of control crowd that kept things unruly. >> hey, hey, hey. >> i've done everything i can. back off. >> hey, be

plan. >> reporter: ken, we spoke with -- today. >> reporter: ken, we spoke with many of those protesters who traveled here to capitol hill from all corners of the country and they say the result of this healthcare battle is a people. >> if you want a hearing, you better shut up. >> reporter: protesters delayed the start of the only senate finance committee hearing on the latest republican repeal and replace effort. it was a dramatic scene as police carried out some of the disabled protesters pleading for congress to keep medicaid. >> we just want them to kill the bill. >> reporter: the graham- cassidy bill would end both the medicaid expansion under obamacare and subsidies for consumers. it would instead direct that money to the states to use on healthcare. senators lindsey graham and bill cassidy defended their 146 page bill before the panel. >> the governors are excited about it. they see this as the ability to implement change that is tailored for their state. >> if you don't like the healthcare you've got, you can complain to somebody you vote for. >> reporter: the gop has until satu

ken is going to lead us off. if you folks on stage would grab a flag and take it for the walk with us, we are really psyched you are here. thank you for walking on this planet with me. we love you all very much. may peace prevail on earth! [applause] >> give it up for jim and all of his energy. i love it. we are going to all grab some flags here and we are going to head out on the march. the most important thing i want everyone to remember is that dialogue and civility is being able to walk and talk together. we're not going to be doing too many chance and things as we walk. instead we are going to talk to each other. we are going to take pictures, give hugs, embrace one another. are you guys ok with that? yet? ok. we are going to continue this message of love and unity. grab some flags here. i'm sure there are people on the stage that want to take pictures. feel free to make it happen. thank you guys. you guys know we are all about respect. these flags represent our brothers and sisters and all of our states, bu

ken is going to lead us off. if you folks on stage would grab a flag and take it for the walk with us, we are really psyched you are here. thank you for walking on this planet with me. we love you all very much. may peace prevail on earth! [applause] >> give it up for jim and all of his energy. i love it. we are going to all grab some flags here and we are going to head out on the march. the most important thing i want everyone to remember is that dialogue and civility is being able to walk and talk together. we're not going to be doing too many chance and things as we walk. instead we are going to talk to each other. we are going to take pictures, give hugs, embrace one another. are you guys ok with that? yet? ok. we are going to continue this message of love and unity. grab some flags here. i'm sure there are people on the stage that want to take pictures. feel free to make it happen. thank you guys. you guys know we are all about respect. these flags represent our brothers and sisters and all of our states, bu

i want to thank ken vogel. heidi prez, who is now white house correspondent. >> right. >> we'll see you talking to sarah. robert mueller is pouring over facebook, they're going to facebook trying to find out who's paying for the adds, the money trail again, follow the money. and did the russian operatives get help from jared kushner, the micro analysis of the campaigning we're familiar with. who was telling the russians, how to find out the voters they needed to identify in states like michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. who on our side was telling them? plus politics was front and center at last night's emmy awards. we'll see sean spicer joking around. i'm with him, get out there, make a full of yourself. another day, another nickname for trump. he's calling kim jong-un rocket man. wars started by name calling. it's like trump's on the campaign trail, i guess he thinks, against north korean dictators. let me finish with trump watch. this is "hardball" where the action is. as they age and grow. whether it be

ne.is not just ken and dua ken is an amazing person. he actually gives better hugs than me. i just want to share with you in on my flight here i listened to a song by john legend. the song is if you are out there. some of the words that really stood out to me was, if you hear the message, if you hear this i'mage wherever you stand, calling every woman, every man, we are the generation, we cannot afford to wait. the future started yesterday. we are already late. my job as a police officer, when i go back to work tomorrow morning, it is parking my police car, getting out, sitting on front porches, and finding the forgotten. you have to find the forgotten in your community, the people most of society would turn their back on. when these cameras are off, and we all go back home, are you going to make a difference? are you going to stay committed? huge to stay committed. thank you so much for having me here. it really, really means a lot. i am looking forward to the march and promoting peace area and very much. i really appreciate it. >> for our next speaker, to introduce him i w

ken, why now? what's important about what happened back then to tell today in 2017? >> you know, very simply we've now got the distance, the perspective that allows us to understand more clearly what had taken place, the passions have not cooled down. but you're able to, with new scholarship, with aging of the veteran population, with the aging also of the protest population, an opportunity to revisit this really, really difficult period. >> lynn, i think you've said -- i read that the vietnam war has been poorly understood. what do you mean by that, and what are you hoping to clarify? >> there's a lot happening in different places at the same time, and it took a long time for us to even understand how to tackle it. we went back to the beginning, which you have to go back to the 19th century to understand colonialism, world war ii, the cold war. political dynamics here and what it was like for ordinary people in vietnam and here. and we felt it was important to see this not just from an american perspective but also from a vietnamese perspective. we had wonderful con

ken: sometimes. starts toows skyrocket and sore, for us to be able to stay on top of that and the able to move ourselves to it went to talk about the more -- to a point to talk about the more important industry drivers that should matter to our clients as opposed to being more reactionary. for now, what she can do it is a weak out. she does not have the opportunity to predict a year outcome of the way we are looking, six months, 12 months, but she works continually. it is more about the styles changing van vleet productions itself. predictionsntha the -- than the predictions themselves. francine: we had a guest who was skeptical about ai's and had gone full throttle about how helps your risk appetite for the markets. how much of a role in the market will ai play? ken: even in the markets right now, you are seeing ai play a bigger role. you see it playing a bigger role than we follow, particularly with the internet. digital,ok at video, messaging, etc., what you can do with data as a new style of comp

one of the reasons that people are speculating that it went so high, 21 offers, ken. but it went so high over asking because of the extra large lot and they might be able to put another house on the lot. whoever bought it could double their money and get a couple million for both houses. >> i am happy for the couple that lived there for 28 years, len. they have to be excited and tickled but there has to be a downside. what about first time home buyers trying to get in and how dots banks appraise the property? there has to be a downside. >> reporter: this couple that we profiled today, they are moving to florida and they have kids here and realize it will be difficult if not impossible for kids to buy a home in the community in which they were raised. so they are all but giving up saying they will have to go somewhere else to raise their family. >> well, en ramirez live in the south bay. sunnyvale is the hot spot. thank you, lenny. >>> they were once million dollar condos but now, the millenium tower is sinking in value. it has sunk and tilted more than a foot since it

back to you, ken. >> thank you. never doubt a guy named elvis. >>> new at 5:00, a major step forward in clearing california's rape kit backlog. eric swalwell visited the biotech firm today to celebrate the passage of the rapid dna act. this is going to allow local investigators to perform realtime dna testing after an arrest and compare samples to the nationwide database. >> i'm excited about what this could mean to clear rape kit backlogs and make sure that as criminal suspects are arrested that we are not releasing them when they may have hits or are connected in a way to other outstanding cases. >> traditional dna analysis can take weeks as you know. the rapid dna process can be done in about 90 minutes. >>> people in the neighborhood not that far from me here in santa clara woke up to something rather unusual. the sound of mountain lions. kpix 5's kiet do is in palo alto where schools took action to protect students today. kiet. >> reporter: you know, the last time that anybody saw these mountain lions was 6:20

please welcome ken burns. good to see you. come on up. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> stephen: there you go, ken. good to see you again. >> nice to see you. >> stephen: now, i have seen the first two episodes of this so far. i'm about three hours in. and it is one of the most powerful documents i've ever seen. of course, i grew up in the shadow of the vietnam war, because i remember the end of it. but the complexity of that war, before the united we were stepping into as a country, i was completely unaware, however complicated i thought it was, i was not prepared at all for what a tangle it was. were you-- what surprised buwhat you learned about this story? >> everything. every day, every day working on this for 10 years surprised us. i thought i knew something about it. i lived through it. i lived on a college campus against the war. i had a high draft number. it was an amazing period and i went in thinking, ah, finally, a subject i know something about. and lynn novick and i started working on this and we realized how little we kne

and ken, back to ken, i would be shocked just by what i witnessed in the first few days it has been on here that the conversations going on about vietnam and the memories and people talking about it, are really going to be special for america. so you ask why we do it, there is why. and he is terrific, and a lot of fun. and energetic and prolific and great with clients and everything else. >> here is another way to do it. if in fact a film like that creates the conversation are you going to talk about, i range of issues not just vietnam, if it creates that, and if because of that the country is better off. >> right. >> you know, that is an investment by corporations because a corporation has to live in a community, so. >> and so its people have to live in a community, you know. it ought to be invested in the idea of creating communities. >> exactly. >> that are better for people. >> so when you think about how we run or company, called responsible growth, one of the tenets is to be sustainable and one of the core ten ents is to share our success with communities. how we do that, the env

please welcome ken burns. good to see you. come on up. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> stephen: there you go, ken. good to see you again. >> nice to see you. >> stephen: now, i have seen the first two episodes of this so far. i'm about three hours in. and it is one of the most powerful documents i've ever seen. of course, i grew up in the shadow of the vietnam war, because i remember the end of it. but the complexity of that war, before the united states was even involved, before 1959, what we were stepping into as a country, i was completely unaware, however complicated i thought it was, i was not prepared at all for what a tangle it was. were you-- what surprised buwhat you learned about this story? >> everything. every day, every day working on this for 10 years surprised us. i thought i knew something about it. i lived through it. i lived on a college campus against the war. i had a high draft number. it was an amazing period and i went in thinking, ah, finally, a subject i know something about. and lynn novick and i started worki

ken dilanian, i want to go to your reporting for nbc news about these paul manafort notes. walk us through that. >> sure, lawrence. one of the most interesting things about it is that we learned that paul manafort, while he seemed to be on his phone during the meeting according to some of the participants, he was actually taking notes on his phone. and those notes are now in the hands of the house and senate intelligence committee and in the hands of special counsel robert mueller. what we're told is that those notes are rather cryptic. they're not sentences. they're fragments. they're words. some of those words included a reference to the republican national committee, as you said, and a reference to political donations. and the context is not clear according to my sources. but it raised enough alarms that people want to look more closely into this because, of course, it's illegal for russians or any foreign source to contribute to a u.s. political campaign. it's an illegal for an american political campaign to accept foreign donations. so if there was any hint of donation

. >> joining us, ken vogel of "the new york times" andiscy la pose ki from wired. she has reported ste issy, you've been on this case as is your jurisdiction at wired. this is their turf. this is an incredibly difficult arena. trying to regulate in some sense advertising online is a very different proposition than on television. >> it is. it's a much easier thing actually for people who might like to slip disinformation or false information online. what you find is digital ads are actually regulated more like campaign buttons or bumper stickers, which when you think about it is absolutely absurd because the reach of a campaign button or bumper sticker has nothing on the reach of a facebook post or a facebook ad. so the other big issue is that the campaigns are the ones that are really responsible if they violate campaign law. the onus does not fall on these platforms. i think that's what a lot of regulators are looking at now. how do we ensure that digital platforms like facebook are just as responsible as television networks and radio networks? >> ken, can it be s

>> well, ken, um, yes, it's -- it's from el capitan. it just happened, as you said about 30 minutes ago. we have a big dust cloud on the road. we're looking at road closures. we have one confirmed injury with a helicopter flying in, and we don't have any further information. but from all reports, it was a significant rock fall. >> this is not as unusual as people think. i know the valley has been exfoliating that granite for thousands of years. is there any way you can warn

. >> what does all this have to do with whitewater and what is ken starr doing in this business? >> ken starr was going to pursue clinton until they caught him doing something and the something was monica lewinsky. >> a couple weeks ago a woman named linda tripp walked into ken starr's office and says, i have these tapes. i have about ten phone calls of a young woman named monica lewinsky and in it she talks about having had a sexual relationship with the president. >> monica lewinsky bares her soul about her love for bill clinton to her friend, linda tripp. linda tripp gives those tapes to paula jones' lawyers and kenneth starr's office. ken starr knows that the president has to give a deposition in the jones case. >> part of the danger for the president lies in what he said under oath to lawyers for paula jones. mr. clinton denied in his deposition having a sexual relationship with monica lewinsky. >> did the president agree with lewinsky to deny their affair under oath? >> if the president, in fact, encouraged this woman to lie under oath or ask someone else to encourage her,

i have enormous respect for ken as i do warren buffet. >> neil: what about ben? >> yes. ben is going to start clearing his throat when he hears what i have to say. >> neil: [laughter] >> but these rich guys-- >> are you going to argue again? >> these rich guys neil, like really rich guys like buffet when they talk about taxes it's like you know, they lost all concept of reality. they're so rich they don't understand what it takes now to start a business and let's be real clear. one of the reasons why we can pay for this and one of the reasons why our budget situation is because we have a great economy when it comes down to it i talked to bernie marcus about regulations now and bernie marcus has been on the record saying he doesn't think he could start home depot now so if we don't get the economy going guess what we won't be able to pay for this stuff and i'll tell you ken langone and warren buffet are losing it on this stuff. they're so out of touch. >> neil: adam you could argue that whatever you make of this we just improved the odds for a couple of things, not only a