his father, a developer charles kushner, served a 14-month federal sentence. jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor and tim o'brien is executive editor of bloomberg gadfly and bloomberg view, also an msnbc contributor, and the author of a donald trump biography. jonathan, let's first get to prison reform. this is something that democrats can get on board with. it's something people who did not vote for donald trump, didn't think donald trump would be their champion, can get on board with. do you think this could take off and move the feelings about donald trump in a positive direction among those who don't like him? >> okay. put the president aside for a moment. keep in mind that prison reform was something, and criminal justice reform but particularly prison reform is something that was being worked on on capitol hill in the senate in the last year of the obama administration. remember famously senators cory booker, democrat of new jersey and rand paul, republican, kentucky, an unlikely bipartisan coalition work