yamiche alcindor saying how incredible and stupefying what she saw was that happened in there. my panel back with me. there was so much body language to watch in the course of a 15 or 16-minute long interview. and as everyone wrote, the president decided to do this last minute, wanted to open the door to reporters, to watch all of this unfold. i kept looking at chuck schumer, who never made eye contact with donald trump, so much as i could tell. >> a couple of things. first of all, he's obviously -- trump is not used to being challenged directly, right? it's like why he barely has press conferences anymore. he's not used to being challenged directly and certainly not used to being challenged directly by women, right? and you can see that he was sort of angry and discombobulated. and i think they both did a pretty good job of setting him up to basically say, i take responsibility for a government shutdown, you know, which is going to be a quote that haunts him forever. so i think that one thing we saw there is why it is that nancy pelosi is and should be the leader of the house