. >> gene, i said earlier it could begin with the line it's great to be back in waukesha. let's not rule that out. >> i'm not ruling everything out. rick wilson has a book called "everything trump touches dies" which may put him in the no category. let's agree that everything has been soiled in some way, traditions and norms have fallen. this would be another. we already -- this fight over whether it's going to be delivered at all is the breakage of a norm. >> yeah. it's a tradition, there's something comforting about the state of the union, even though, let's be realistic, let's look at what the state of the union usually is. it's a set piece, right, and there have -- you and i can remember many truly memorable presidential speeches over the time we've been covering presidents, not that many of them are state of the union addresses. i mean, they're not generally great speeches. they're usually laundry lists more than speeches. sometimes, you know, because of the moment or the man, the speech rises above but that's unusual, but there is something comforting ability the rit