a mundane former al qaeda operative turned one of your case top intelligence assets within the terrorist group welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us today excited to even have to have you now you were described as a master bomb maker and w m d specialist but also a religious scholar what was your occupation with their guns ation exactly. well i mean when i joined the organization in one thousand and seven. i was more or less already attorney in mum and the idea basically i thought i wanted to you know give religious lessons and i was giving religious lessons to some of the recruits but also they noticed that they had been up to two and four month and chemistry and so that's why they assigned me to a small lab somewhere in the west of dell about in the gunnison which was working on explosives chemical weapons boys and some biological weapons and so that's why they sent me that basically but did you actually have to fight like take part in any field operations well when the time basically in afghanistan the fight was against the northern alliance which was composed of a

intelligence services discussing his lives as an infiltrator within al qaeda. how does a base camp of a terror group like that operate when who decides who is in charge you watch. what is the chain of command what is to standard of the training are there former officers doing like marine type drills for everyone. well i mean if i tell you for example what a comp that belong to a car that looked like for example which operated in the mid one nine hundred ninety s. until it was bombed in one thousand nine hundred eight by the americans of the suffolk a woman's every day we would wake up for example in zero eight before dawn prayer as you know for the players of course and then there is the morning parade and then there is a military training. you know there would be military training with its weapons and warfare mountain warfare explosives and you know other. military tactics and then there would be the religious training the ideological training and then there would be the creation of activities you know sports hiking and even volleyball or football something ab

day and former al qaeda operative turned one of your case top intelligence assets within the terrorist group welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us today are excited to have you now you were described as a master bomb maker and w m d specialist but also a religious scholar what was your occupation with their guns ration exactly. well i mean when i joined the organization in one thousand and seven. i was more or less already attorney in mum and the idea basically i thought i wanted to you know give religious lessons and i was giving religious lessons to some of the recruits but also they noticed that they had been up to to inform us and chemistry and so that's why they assigned me to a small lab somewhere in the west of dell about than they've got a sun which was working on explosives chemical weapons boys and some biological weapons and so that's why they sent me that basically but did you actually have to fight like take part in any field operations well when the time basically in afghanistan the fight was against the northern alliance which was composed of a michel

embassies in ninety eight asked events that made you reconsider your decision to join al qaeda but all kind of is pretty nigh any attacks also included collateral damage why did you still decide to join it in nineteen ninety eight the attacks against the u.s. embassies and there will be in turns on you was a massive departure from what a car that was planning to do you see the first attack for a car there or a fire the affiliate was in riyadh a nine hundred ninety five against american military contractors and then of course there was the whole bar bombings although al qaida didn't do it but it was also targeting inside arabia to last august saying u.s. air force pilots so the dog us with a military in a sense and i thought when i joined the organization that the fight would be against the americans and the american military inside arabia that's what the law then was preaching to us at the time that the fight would be to expel the american forces out of the middle east altogether so when the attacks happened in africa it was a complete departure because it no we are killing first of al

embassies in ninety eight asked events that made you reconsider your decision to join al qaeda but all kind of is pretty ninety eight attacks also included collateral damage why they just still decided to join it in nineteen ninety eight the attacks against the u.s. embassies and there will be in turns on you was a massive departure from what a car that was planning to do you see the first a thoughtful car there or a fire the affiliate was in riyadh a nine hundred ninety five against american military contractors and then of course there was the whole bar bombings although al qaida didn't do it but it was also targeting inside or maybe it was dog getting u.s. air force pilots so the dog us with a military in a sense and i thought when i joined the organization that the fight would be against the americans and the american military inside arabia that's what the law then was preaching to us at the time that the fight would be to expel the american forces out of the middle east altogether so when the attacks happened in africa it was a complete departure because it no we are killing first

al qaeda and all other remaining terrorist organizations such as y p g m p o i the and we're hoping that turkey can so as a bridge between east and west between united states russia china and other members of europe the united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow as a cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish corporation with russia on this pipeline. i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american this asian makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide rushing gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access russian gas because of the p

al qaeda and all other remaining russia china and other members of europe the united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems. so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow as a cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish corporation with russia own this pipeline. i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american this asian makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide rushing gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access russian gas because of the problems or through ukraine they were the ones who felt the need for other alternative ways and means of reaching that gas and turkey thr

these groups like the taliban al qaeda and i says they. conquer a certain area which is full of treasures so days start to dig and sell these treasures on the black market and they use that money for funding funding though attacks and the problem is this the greek face for example is not that they are only found in greece because 2000 years ago greece was an empire they traded with everybody so the greek face that is found for example in syria or greek statue which might come from ices it's very hard to prove that this quick face comes from syria and not from let's say greece or italy so delo a lot of ways for these people to falsify paperwork etc so that it comes on the markets legitimate and people buy it's museums have bought it in the post you can find at auction houses you can find. deals we made a few documentaries about that with hidden camera and some of these of the less confessed that these pieces came. recently from let's say afghani stumm so dead is a quite a big trades and busy it says because they use these beautiful busy tre

these groups like the taliban al qaeda and i says they. conquer a certain area which is full of treasures so dest out to take and sell these treasures on the black market and they use that money for funding for attacks and the problem is this the greek face for example is not that they are only found in greece because 2000 years ago greece was an empire they traded with everybody so the greeks face that is found for example in syria or greek statue which might come from ices it's very hard to prove that this great face comes from syria and not from let's say greece or italy so there were a lot of ways for these people to falsify paperwork etc so then it comes on the markets legitimate and people buy it museums have bought it in the past you can find them at auction houses you can find at our dealers we made a few documentaries about that with hidden camera and some of these are the less confessed that these pieces came. recently from let's say of gunnies stone so dead is a quite a big trades and it says because they use these beautiful bus

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al qaeda and all other remaining terrorist organizations such as y p g m p o i the and we're hoping that turkey gen so as a bridge between east and west between united states russia china and other members of europe the united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow as a cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish copper ration with russia own this pipeline. i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american this asian makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide rushing gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access russian gas because of th

al qaeda and all other remaining terrorist organizations such as y p g m p o i the and we're hoping that turkey can serve as a bridge between east and west between united states russia china and other members of europe united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems. so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow as the cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish corp would rush own this pipeline i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american decision makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide russian gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access russian gas because of the problems

al qaeda and all other remaining terrorist organizations such as y p g m p o i the and we're hoping that turkey can serve as a bridge between east and west between united states russia china and other members of europe united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems. so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow is the cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish corp would rush own this pipeline . i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american this asian makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide rushing gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access russian gas because of the probl

al qaeda and all other remaining terrorist organizations such as y p g m p o i.v. and we're hoping that turkey gen so as a bridge between east and west between united states russia china and other members of europe the united nations to find solutions to the ongoing problems in yemen in iraq in syria in kashmir in cyprus and we would like to find solutions not problems. so the americans also argue that they turks train pipeline which will carry russian gas through turkey to the e.u. threatening to european energy security while turkey is increasingly falling into dependency from moscow as the cancellation of a preferential trade status connected to turkish copper ration with russia own this pipeline. i hope not i don't know that is a question you have to ask the american this asian makers but turkey's cooperation with russia is not a threat to europe turkey's cooperation with russia which would provide rushing gas to europe is an advantage is a promise to europe to find solutions when russia and ukraine had their differences and european countries could not access

these groups like the taliban al-qaeda and i says they. conquer a certain area which is full of treasures so days start to dig and sell these treasures on the black market and they use that money for funding funding though attacks and the problem is this the greek face for example is not that they're only found in greece because 2000 years ago greece was an empire they traded with everybody so the greeks face that is found for example in syria or greek statue which might come from ices it's very hard to prove that this greek face comes from syria and not from let's say greece or italy so there were a lot of ways for these people to falsify paperwork etc so then it comes on the markets legitimate and people buy it's museums have bought it in the post you can find them at auction houses you can find. deals we made a few documentaries about that with hidden camera and some of these the less confessed that these pieces came. recently from let's say afghani stumm so dead is a quite a big trades and busy it says big. cause they used these beauti

these groups like the taliban al qaeda and i says they. conquer a certain area which is full of treasures so days start to dig and sell these treasures on the black market and they use that money for funding funding though attacks and the problem is this the greek face for example is not that they are only found in greece because 2000 years ago greece was an empire they traded with everybody so the greeks face that is found for example in syria or greek statue which might come from ices it's very hard to prove that this greek face comes from syria and not from let's say greece or italy so dela lot of ways for these people to falsify paperwork etc so that it comes on a market legitimate and people buy it's museums have bought it in the post you can find at auction houses you can find. deals we made a few documentaries about that with hidden camera and some of these of the less confessed that these pieces came. recently from let's say afghani stumm so dead is a quite a big trades and busy it says because they used these beautiful busy treasu