nobody hated like thomas jefferson. so the fact that he seemed to really adore dolley, i think speaks volumes about her. edith: and chose her as the hostess when he needed one in the white house. catherine yes. :susan catherine is up next in : houston. catherine: hi. thank you for taking my call. my question is i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and married her first husband who was a quaker. and was a member of the friends church. and then she left it and married james madison. and i've read stories about how her father freed his slaves in testimony to the abolition of slavery. and i was just wondering how did, how do you think her quaker upbringing influenced her as a first lady? susan: ok. briefly please, because we'll spend more time on this later. catherine: yes. well, i'll cut to the sort of the chase because the quaker part's irresistible. we just don't know enough about her childhood. but my sort of theory on this is that one of the central tenets of quakerism is to regard people as inner lights, as

nobody hated like thomas jefferson. the fact that he seemed to really adore dolley, i think, speaks volumes about her. edith: and chose her as the hostess when he needed one in the white house. catherine: yes. susan: catherine is up next in houston. hi, catherine. caller: thank you for taking my call. my question is i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and married her first husband, who was a quaker. and was a member of the friends church. and then she left it and married james madison. and i've read stories about how her father freed his slaves in testimony to the abolition of slavery. and i was just wondering how did -- how do you think her quaker upbringing influenced her as a first lady? susan: ok. briefly please, because we'll spend more time on this later. catherine: yes. well, i'll cut to the sort of the chase, because the quaker part's irresistible -- we just don't know enough about her childhood. but my sort of theory on this is that one of the central tenets of quakerism is to regard people as inner

nobody hated like thomas jefferson. so the fact that he seemed to really adore dolley, i think speaks volumes about her. edith: and chose her as the hostess when he needed one in the white house. catherine: yes. susan: catherine is up next in houston. catherine: hi. thank you for taking my call. my question is i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and married her first husband, who was a quaker. and was a member of the friends church. and then she left it and married james madison. and i've read stories about how her father freed his slaves in testimony to the abolition of slavery. and i was just wondering how did, how do you think her quaker upbringing influenced her as a first lady? susan: ok. briefly please, because we'll spend more time on this later. catherine: yes. well, i'll cut to the sort of the chase because the quaker part's irresistible. we just don't know enough about her childhood. but my sort of theory on this is that one of the central tenets of quakerism is to regard people as inner lights, as

nobody hated like thomas jefferson. so the fact that he seemed to adore dolley speaks volumes about her. >> and chose her as the host is when he needed one in the white house. >> catherine is up next in houston. >>, i. but you are taking my call. my question is, i know that dolley madison was raised a quaker and married her first husband who was a quaker and a member of the french church, and then she left it and married james madison. i've read about how her father freed his slaves in testimony to the abolition of slavery. and i was just wondering how did -- how do you think her quicker upbringing influenced her as a first? lady >> okay, briefly because will spend more time on that later. >> well, i'll come to the chase because my theory is that the central tenets of quicker isn't is to regard people as inner lights, as god, which is why quaker's don't use titles. and dolley goes on to be famous for becoming incredibly empath again sympathetic and warm. and people said, when you talk to her, it was like you are the onl

few individuals -- not members of the court -- is thomas jefferson. what does johnson do? he pins his opinion on natural law, not what jefferson condemned as john marshall's habit of distortion of the constitution. johnson did give us an extended explanation that i think is probably not terribly credible. he wanted to talk about the difference between the obligation of contract and the regulation of contract. a couple of problems with that theory. i think it is a make place quibble. first, in fletcher, marshall said states may regulate. two years later he said it more elaborately and in 1827, it is only constitutional dissent, marshall talked about no inconsistency between the normal regulation of contract and the notion of the contract clause and extinguishment, revocation of a contractual agreement. i think the superficial explanation is a placeholder. the true explanation, to me, is his attempt to try and walk this fine line, to find a way to be true to his principles which were a blend of robust marshall nationalism and a certain respect for state rights. but to do tha

thomas jefferson. go to washington over here. brian: people say jackson and he took his case to the people which is similar to your run so he had one wild, in fact, -. president trump: until mine they say that was the most incredible election. you talked about it and wrote about it. andrew jackson was a pretty wild guy but now -. brian: wally had this conversation where we are in history, they want to take jackson's statue -. president trump: i don't like it at all. i don't anything that's going on. i'm topped federal. the states are, states are weak. a lot of people are weak and allowing it to happen. it's going over a little around the world even. they want to remove the statue of gandhi. they wanted to take down .-ellipsis ask grant. he stopped the confederates. he was a great general. brian: do you understand how you get thomas jefferson, james madison, one thing had his they were brilliant and they all had slaves. how do we grow as a country cannot forget our past? president trump: you have to understand history and the cult

john adams and thomas jefferson were two of the greatest booklovers of their day. each had a large and very valuable library. adams looks the public library in boston. the boston public library jefferson books are here. those of them who have survived. but this was written a good 400 years before thomas jefferson and john adams and it's exactly the same spirit of what each of them felt and which i think so many of us feel today and one of the reasons we're here to celebrate a festival, a national book festival. writing and 1386. divine city has rescued me from almost all of the human desires. one is not entirely at least in big. this is evans doing pretty though my character of the passage of time has contributed. i have seen many things and meditated much. and alas i have begin to understand the worth of those activities that educate human race. that you may not think i'm immune to all fans of failings. i learned that one unquenchable passion possesses me which so far anita could not nor would repress. i flatter myself the longing for where they things, that are n

thomas jefferson. i have stopped them twice now from going other to the jefferson memorial. if i weren't president, if a guy like biden was president, they will knock down the jefferson memorial.

thomas jefferson said that man must be a participator in politics, not simply on election day, but every day. that's the nature of free government. it's the nature of popular sovereignty. it's the nature of informed citizenship. but that election day matters enormously. the vote is the most significant form of non-violent protest that we know. and one of the things that i think is absolutely essential is that i think the governor made some really fascinating and insightful remarks there, think about this. in 1968, 57% of americans voted for either richard nixon or george wallace of alabama on election day november 1968. only 42% or so voted for hubert humphrey, who had given a speech in 1948, 20 years before, at the democratic national convention, saying it was time to walk out of the shadow of segregation and walk into the sunshine of civil rights. that led to strom thurman and a fellow from alabama who was in the delegation named bull conor to walk out of that convention to go to birmingham and to found the state's rights party to make an argument and run on segregation itself. this is

what is the relationship between abigail and thomas jefferson? did abigail and thomas jefferson correspond during john and thomas is year of not really speaking to each other? i've also heard that abigail was really hadn't into intimate relationship with him as far as correspondents went. i'm wondering how true that is. >> they were very good friends at one time. the highest point of the relationship was when abby gayle was for a while in france and then in england. thomas jefferson was a different man abroad at that time. they were very close. as a matter of fact, for a while, while jefferson was in paris and she was in london, they bought goods from one another. they kept little accounts for one another. also, at one point, one of jefferson's younger daughter came from virginia to france, but stopped in london on the way. abigail to care of her during a time. during the national period, when particularly, after the election of 1800, the relationship really fell apart. it was over politics. during that time, abigail was very disappointed with je

a campaign for re-election, hard fought against a big political rival in thomas jefferson, they lost that. it was a year they moved to the white house and they also lost their son in that year. let's talk about all of those individually for a little bitp the decision to run for the office again, did abigail support john's interest in continuing in the presidency? >> we don't have as much as we had in the decision for the previous election where they agonized over it and went back and forth and there's letters, should i, shouldn't i. i don't have as much of that for the second term. this was -- he was in harness, things were going and part of it was because by this time, the political parties were so strong, he felt -- he didn't want the other party in. he wanted to follow through with what he was doing. he had even though there were several bad things happening around or to the adams family during that time, is twa actually in 1800 he had one of his great successes. the convention with the french that ended the non-declared war. >> right. >> i also would emphasize that the political

the large memorial to thomas jefferson in washington dc, his face is carved in granite in mount rushmore, he's on the nickel and there are countless statues across america dedicated to the nation's third president and architect of the declaration of independence including a statue in new york city hall's council chambers. it has been inside the building since 1834, 166 years with several members of city council say it is time for the statute to be removed calling the glorification of the darkest days of american history. a letter to the mayor they wrote jefferson is america's most noted slaveholder. a man who owned 600 black men, women and men and a scholar who maintains blacks were inferior to whites, he's a statue is an appropriate answer is a constant reminder of the injustices that have plagued communities of color since the inception of our country, this comes during nationwide protests over the death of george floyd, a black man killed by a white police officer with widespread re-examination of american history. new york city's government announced the formation of a racial justice

that doesn't mean thomas jefferson or george washington or others who were slaveowners, that we should undermine what they did for our country. jeffersonederates, davis, alexander stephen, they committed treason against the united states in the name of slavery. i think that is a different story. but you know what? subject everything to scrutiny and make a decision. but i do think we should do it in a safer way rather than a more dangerous way. robert: speaker pelosi, let's turn to health care. republicans keep fighting president obama's health care law. now you are moving forward with your own bill to expand health care coverage. pandemiche affected that law and the broader health care debate? speaker pelosi: the pandemic, of --rse, when we passed the it wasble care act, named the affordable care act because affordability is about accessibility, and that was very important. we can do more. we can do more, and that is what we are doing in this legislation, to increase the number of people who have access thosesidies, to expand who would be on medicaid, and so sad that some states would

in oregon, thomas jefferson and george washington were torn down. the mob demolished statues of ulysses s. grant and francis scott key. in the pedestal of the key monument they spray-painted "killer colonizers" and "kill whitey" just in case you missed the point. one thing all of these americans now cancel have in common, not one of them fought for the confederacy. pulling down her statues had nothing to do with the civil war. at least not the first civil war, the one that took place on hundred 50at years ago. democrats understand that very well and they support all of it. in every place where the mob has destroyed public monuments, democratic leaders have backed them as they did it. but at the same time, and you should know this, so have many republicans. last week i mob in downtown washington, d.c., cited to tear down the statue of a man called albert pike. pike was famous as a journalist and a poet and later as a prominent freemason. for less than a year from late november of 1861 to mid-july of 1862, pike served in the confederate army. pike was

another washington statue was defaced in baltimore, a statue of thomas jefferson was ripped down in portland, also. this is the general and first president who built our nation and the author of the declaration of independence. genius statesman who helped begin this grand experiment that brought freedom to hundreds of millions and saved the world a few times for good measure and in a crazy treating their monument like vanity statues of tin horned, bringing them down like they were saddam hussein. the list goes on. the missionary settler who pope francis celebrated in washington a few years ago to bipartisan applause, he sided with native people over soldiers. ulysses s. grant, the general who crushed the confederacy, the president who used federal force to fight the klan, they, too, have been placed on the historical hit list for this new red guard at that nobody elected. more monuments toppled up and down the west coast. but, madam president, there could be no clearer sign that these radicals have severed any connection to the righteous cause of racial justice. they've literally tried to su

and the legacy of the nation's founding fathers, such as george washington and thomas jefferson, who both owned slaves, continues to be fought over-- again, statues have been toppled. heritage sites have grappled with these issues in a variety of ways. two years ago, for example, jefferson's monticello home added an exhibition dedicated to the life of sally hemings, an enslaved woman who had a decades-long relationship with jeffern. historian niya bates. >> we, as american don't address some of the more complex issues of slavery, of sex, of power, of owrship. and that is what is really interesting about sally hemings and her story.: broher countries have gone further than the u.s. in acknowledging and attempting toa reconcile lecies of racial oppression.01 in 2 protests at the university of cape town in p south afrimpted the removal of a statue of cecil rhodes, a diamond trer and colonial leader. but in the capital, etoria, t now calledwane, then-mayor solly msimanga told me in 2017, he wanted to keep fiatues of olderes, while adding heroes of the anti-apartheid struggle. >> i am aga

people made of stone, protesters in portland tore down statues of thomas jefferson and george washington. d.c. protesters went after andrew jackson and in san francisco, vandals public the statue of your script. get that's what she gets for the confederacy. remember when trump predicted this in 2017 and this guy mocked him? >> i noticed stonewall jackson is coming down, i wonder, is it george washington next week and thomas jefferson the week after? you have to ask where does it stop? >> i'll tell you where it stops, somewhere. greg: that didn't age well, oliver. a cross between harry potter and benjamin button. anyway, the guy who saw this coming want present times for these losers but what about, as far as democrats are concerned? >> as far as democrats are concerned, i think they could care less. greg: they are not saying much so perhaps statues of presidents but that's true, i have a suggestion for future targets. what about angelo david? he's been exposing himself to millions of people, is a perfect. straight up that she made. pizza hut, you want to tell pizza out of them? it's disg

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident there oh man or credit equally they're down about their creator were certain 2 in any rights that among them are life liberty and pursuit of happiness well america that means black people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for some way but also to push against the us justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed start that the us is ready for change . well earlier i spoke to d. w. reporter stefan z. amman's outside the minnesota capitol building he told me how people there have responded to the new charges. the black community here the african-american community in minneapolis says ok well done thank you that is some kind of equality right now but what's next do not work with the district attorney here with the county attorney who we don't like who we don't trust who is too close to the to the police department which is not trusted. so t

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident their old man or credit equally they're down about their creator with certain 2 inalienable rights that among them are life liberty and pursuit of happiness well america that means black people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for floyd but also to push against a u.s. justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the u.s. is ready for change. well i'm joined now from minneapolis by d.w. correspondent stuff on xian's stuff on tell us more about the state attorney general's decision to upgrade the charge from 3rd to 2nd degree murder what's his reasoning. there's a lot of people out here saying the reasoning for this is twofold a political pressure relentless pressure from the. people of color here in minneapolis in minnesota well nationwide externally to throw the book really in an equal manner and why police police officers

taking down george washington and thomas jefferson and grant. and as john said, when this officer who fought for the union gets not only ripped down but dragged and tossd ed into a lake: do you have a message? on the lincoln state why you. if i told you that frederick douglas stood there and grant unveiled it and gave a historic speech there. if you found out quotes from the artist that put it together, it is not a shackled slave. it was meant to be depicted as a rising african-american, a man named archer alexander breaking his chains and rising up in american society. find out what you don't like before you destroy it. if you are a lawmaker, i give them credit for trying to do it the right way. don't remove lincoln and not put lincoln back. research what you are doing. >> dana: yes. it's interesting about that statue of lincoln. my husband and i lived at lincoln park in the years we lived in washington, d.c. when i worked at the white house. we went to that park every day. one great thing were the number of school groups that came through and

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident there oh man are created equally then down by their creator with certain 2 inalienable rights that among them are life liberty pursuit of happiness where america that means black people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for one way but also to push against a u.s. justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the u.s. is ready for change. let's go straight to minneapolis now we're joined by d.w. stuff on c amongst today's your staff and can you tell us what led to the decision to upgrade the charges against officer shot in this from 2nd to from 3rd rather to 2nd degree murder. you know the attorney general said there were legal reasons for this of course but he also said that he thought it's in the best interests for the flood some relief for the city of minneapolis for the state of minnesota and for the entire country and ma

at the same time, we are being told that george washington's statue needs to come down and thomas jefferson's statue needs to be twined down. the american -- torn down. one third of those polled think that the states use -- statues should be taken down. out and sayt that that watch the statue defacement and the beheading of some of these statues like christopher columbus -- where do you draw the line? where do you draw the line because it goes all the way back to gandhi. >> i asked kellyanne conway and marge. she said it was wrong to use -- in march. she said it was wrong to use the kung flu term. >> the president does not believe it is offensive to note that the virus comes from china, and to stand up for the u.s. military, which china is trying to make an effort to defame. kellyanne conway said it was wrong and offensive. >> does the administration fear that bolton's book -- >> absolutely, that is in. the information in john bolton's book was classified information, as confirmed by the most senior intelligence authority. losscould cause permanent of a valuable source and damage to the last

this is about american founding fathers like thomas jefferson and people like jesus christ. the president realizes when he's fighting about confederate generals he's fighting for a very small sliver of the electorate and talking about people who are more popular and have widespread support. even though the broader part of the movement is not calling for tearing down statues of jesus. or calling for widespread denunciation of the founding fathers. this is a president trying to shade his argument and trying to figure out how to get more allies. when he is defending confederate generals and reerected in washington d.c. he is fighting for a small sliver of the american electorate. and has very few allies even within the republican party calling for that action. >> i want to talk about what adam wrote. a new piece out talking about how president trump is struggling to run against joe biden. he is writing this. after 12 years of feasting on white identity politics with a black man woman and as villains. against an old moderate white guy. he points out this doesn't mean trump can't

jefferson. there we hold these truths to be self evident they're old or credit equally they're down about their creator we're certain 2 in a minute the right there among them. liberty their pursuit of happiness well america that means black people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for floyd but also to push against the u.s. justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the us is ready for change. while hundreds of people gathered in the german financial capital frankfurt on wednesday to honor the life of george floyd the rally in support of the black lives matter movement was intended to draw attention to systemic racism both in the u.s. and in germany it's one of many protests around the world that came in the wake of floyd's death last week. in london to thousands came together to take a stand against racism. speaker's corner in london's hyde park a meeting point for demonstrat

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident their old man or credit equally they're then down by their creator we're certain 2 in any noble rights that among them are life liberty and pursuit of happiness well america that means bright people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for floyd but also to push against the us justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the us is ready for change. well earlier i spoke to d w reporter stuff on xian's outside the minnesota capitol building he told me how people there have responded to the new charges. the black community here the african-american community in minneapolis ok well don thank you that is some kind of equality right now but what's next do not work with the district attorney here with the county attorney who we don't like who we don't trust who is too close to the to the police department which is not trusted. so the

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident there oh man or credit equally they're down about their creator were certain in any manner the rights that among them. liberty their pursuit of happiness well america that means burke people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for floyd but also to push against the us justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the us is ready for change. lawmakers in hong kong have approved a controversial new national anthem law debate on the measure was briefly suspended after pro-democracy legislators staged a protest in the chamber china has been pushing for the bill in order to criminalize insults to its national anthem opponents see the legislation as part of a wider campaign by beijing to clamp down on human rights and hong kong this comes as china prepares to enforce a strict new security law in the territory. today is also the anni

jefferson. that we hold these truths to be self evident their own men are created equally they're then down about their creator with certain 2 inalienable rights that among them are life liberty and pursuit of happiness where america that means black people true. from coast to coast and around the world protesters have marched for slowly but also to push against a u.s. justice system that they say too often treats black citizens without humanity many believe after decades of failed starts that the u.s. is ready for change. i was joined earlier by did have his stuff and siemens is in minneapolis for us to tell us more about what was behind the decision to upgrade the charges against officer child. well the attorney general said there were legal reasons for this of course but he also said that he thought it's in the best interests for the flood some relief for the city of minneapolis for the state of minnesota and for the entire country and maybe he is right about that but i have to also say that

. >> that doesn't mean that thomas jefferson and george washington or others, or slave owners should undermine what they did for our country. >> laura: shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it all from here. i'm >> shannon: you know they are talking about putting up a shannon: they are talking about putting up a statute the speaker in san francisco so we will see, may get a statue of her own. we start with a fox news alert. fences and a major law enforcement presence surviving a monument emancipation in the nation's capital is protesters a been vowing to bring it down tonight. a short while ago the democratically that house of representatives passed the police reform package which bans chokehold and qualified immunity for police officers. since there's no interest in either side, reconciling the gop bill with the democrats house bill it appears police reform will not get done for the november election. a new poll showing a tight presidential race in key states like north carolina, georgia and texas but in my point thread in florida. we will dig into the data. breaking to

. >> much did thomas jefferson and george washington who's statues have been attacked. it has raised a fierce debate over who deserves public honors and words of caution from historians. >> we don't want to be like the old soviet union, ripping down every monument to put new ones up for a new rregime, we need the monuments to reflect true american history not just white male superiority history. >> this could be a solution, put up more statues to people of other races and cultures and genders who played a big role in america's history and have not been properly recognized over the years. i suspect though, don, with tempers running hot right now, there may be a lot more clashes before any new construction goes up. don? >> tom foreman, appreciate it so. what should america do about all the statues. much to talk about. mitch landrieu, the former mayor of new orleans took down confederate statues when he was in office and michael higgenbotham, after the break. you know when your dog is itching for an outing... or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's

. >> much did thomas jefferson and george washington who's statues have been attacked. it has raised a fierce debate over who deserves public honors and words of caution from historians. >> we don't want to be like the old soviet union, ripping down every monument to put new ones up for a new rregime, we need the monuments to reflect true american history not just white male superiority history. >> this could be a solution, put up more statues to people of other races and cultures and genders who played a big role in america's history and have not been properly recognized over the years. i suspect though, don, with tempers running hot right now, there may be a lot more clashes before any new construction goes up. don? >> tom foreman, appreciate it so. what should america do about all the statues. much to talk about. mitch landrieu, the former mayor of new orleans took down confederate statues when he was in office and michael higgenbotham, after the break. n ingredients that fuel five indicators of brain performanc: memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration.

again, standing up for american values with equal opportunity as he quoted thomas jefferson. to me, it's just but an uplifting and inspiring session in minneapolis. >> let me get to everybody else. donna brazile, to you now. >> just so much of what i heard, the scripture references psalm 27, the lord is my light and salvation. who shall i fear? from the book of proverbs, and ecclesiastes. this is a season of change. we can build from this moment. the pain is still with us, but the hope in the face of moving forward together with liberty and justice for all. i think we should make this moment about peace and reconciliation so we can make this truly a change. >> lawrence jones. >> watching this home-going celebration is different. it is like at home for me when someone passes away. you celebrate the life of going to the afterlife to sit with jesus, but they have to do this in front of the public radio so that it much different and to see the family exercise such a restraint and compassion and still want justice as well. they called for peace. they said they didn't support the l

thomas jefferson, abraham lincoln and teddy roosevelt will far from perfect. watch. >> these men have flaws, obviously every leader has flaws but we are missing the opportunity we have in this discussion to talk about the virtues and what they brought to this country and this is a foundation they were built on and the heritage we should be carrying forward. >> in 1980 the u.s. supreme court decided 8:1 that native americans were owed compensation. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you for that recap. let's take a deeper dive into the story and get a native american perspective to the objections on the event and the monument itself. we welcome tonight, julian baer runner. great to have you tonight, sir. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. >> shannon: i want to talk more about the governor having to say that these were flawed men, but here's what she had to say. >> we learn from our mistakes, and that's what it brings to us each and every day is an opportunity to do better. they did amazing things for this country and we can do it even better. >> shannon: is there someth

jefferson. >> do we think slave owners should have statues? >> reporter: historians say this could present an opportunity for americans to have a smarter discussion of the complexities. >> there are many sides to thomas jefferson. there is jefferson the slave owner. books are coming out on it. school kids learn about it. there is also jefferson who gave us the declaration of independence. >> reporter: the answer one historian says may not be to destroy the monuments completely. >> they should be placed in spaces where they can be contextualized fully and i think museums are wonderful spaces for that to tell the larger narrative of where we've come from and where we are going toward. >> reporter: the historians we spoke to say there are no simple answers in the debate over statues that no matter which monuments are brought down someone will be offended. but they say this is the moment to have our discussions over this. that the country has been presented this opportunity by recent events and we'v

jefferson. not going to happen, not as long as i'm here. as far as democrats are concerned i think they coulds care less whether or not it happens and i think the american people get it. >> laura: since biden won't hold a real campaign events or do any press conferences and since the media are not even trying to do its job covering him, americans are left to assume that biden will basically give the radical elements on the left almost everything they want. long before adam schiff met with a ukraine whistle-blower, aoc, ilhan omar and of the squad were basically running the show, they told nancy pelosi they want to trump in beach, remember? and soon enough they got their wish. and pelosi's old chum congressman eliot engel was just beaten in his primary by an aoc endorsed challenger, that happened last night. bernie may not have won his primary nomination, his party's nomination buddies living on policy. lord knows that biden doesn't have the raw energy to run toe-to-toe with trump but why should

you know, this is also about american founding fathers, like thomas jefferson. and people, like jesus christ. the president realizes that when he is fighting about confederate generals, he's fighting for a very small sliver of the american electorate. and he is trying to expand that by talking about people who are more popular. people who have more widespread support. even though, you know, the broader part of this movement is not calling for tearing down statues of jesus. or calling for widespread, you know, denunciation of all of the founding fathers. this is a president trying to shade his argument, and trying to figure out if he can get some more allies. because when he is defending confederate generals, when he's bringing confederate generals and getting them re-erected in washington, d.c., he's really fighting for a very small sliver of the american electorate. and he has very few allies, even within the republican party, that are calling for that kind of action. >> ryan, i want to talk to you about what adam wrote in the atlantic. he has a new piece out t

interestingly, the census maker was thomas jefferson. here are some of the fact that they gathered about the new united states. the 13 former colonies, now the 13 states, had a population of just under 4 million. 757 of those were blacks, about 19%, and only 9% were free. the per capita income, 437 dollars. interestingly, if you look back before the war that was just before the war, if you translated that 2013 dollars, 11,500. the largest cities in the country? new york, philadelphia and boston. what should we learn about those three large cities? >> first of all, i'll point out, two of those 13 states were not yet members of the union. the fact is, both north carolina and rhode island held back when the rest of the union adopted the constitution. america was overwhelmingly a rustic, agrarian, farmed based society. it ended at the appalachian mountains. they were only, in 1800, there were three roads that crossed. the united states was a nation always. it was three distinct nations, new england, the middle states, and it was the south. a

thomas jefferson. not going to happen. not going to happen. not as long as i'm here. >> and anderson, what is interesting about that, this evolved from where the president was initially saying we shouldn't rename military bases named after confederate leaders, generals, military members and now the president is changing it to basically saying that if you start to take down those kinds of monuments and those kinds of statutes, you're going to take down ones of thomas jefferson and jesus christ. you know, he didn't mention those confederate leaders today while he was in the rose garden but that's the equivalentequiva white house is making. >> clearly, the president has been casting around for things that he believes will ignite the base, you know, it was as you said, it was the base named after confederate generals. that didn't seem to take off. so now, i guess, jesus christ is, you know, a button he thinks he will push and that that will have the most residence. he's talking about an executive order. what does that even mean? >> reporter: we re

thomas jefferson, washington, grant, is there a danger in going too far? in your opinion. >> of course there's a danger in going too far. it's the passions of the moment. and let's think about it. for a second. let's hold off and reserve judgment. for one second and consider that more than quarter of the president's of the united states of america founded on the idea that all men are created equal, the guy who wrote that owned 300 human beings in his lifetime. by the way. more than a quarter of the united states presidents owned other human beings. this is a huge thing that we cannot just dismiss. but i would say that confederate monument for me is an easy decision. we have to get rid of them. they're not about heritage. this is about the reimposition of white supremacy in the south at various periods. there's nothing ability that names of the bases and forts should be changed. we taken down the statues. it's a good thing to do. and we now need to continue this reckoning by looking as carefully as we can, monuments are hugely important. they're acts of fac