fauci? dr. fauci: it is what i said before. to really essentially get people through the frustrations of having been in this for so many months. we need to hang in there together. this will end. it will end even sooner if we go continue to go by the public health measures that have been recommended time and again for so many months. judy: dr. fauci, thank you so much. i am going to turn the program back over to derek. thank you. dr. fauci: good to be with you as always. derek: thank you, dr. fauci. thank you, judy. people were asked what they would trust the best. the bible or science, and foreign away, science came first. thank you very much. dr. fauci: thank you. ms. woodruff: thank you very much. ♪ ,> c-span's washington journal everyday we are taking your calls live on the air on the news of the day and discussing policy issues that impact you. coming up wednesday morning, national journal's in it reporter zach cohen tells us what is in the new scaled-down covid relief bill. demand justice cofounder brian fallon tells us

fauci: yes. we have been vaccinating more and more people with the influenza vaccine as the years go by. last year, it was something like 170 million doses were distributed. we want to do at least that amount and hopefully more this year. judy: do you have concern about the public's reluctance to have the flu vaccine this year simply because covid is out there and they are just worried about any kind of vaccine? dr. fauci: that is something that bothers me continually, the people who have reluctance to get vaccinated. particularly you know a vaccine would be of such considerable benefit. we have to fight the classic anti-vax. when people have doubt about the efficacy and the safety, which is what we are seeing with covid, you have to do an extra special effort to engage the community and outreach to them to give them the data they can make an informed decision. judy: you mentioned a moment ago, dr. fauci, you want to make minority -- racial minorities are addressed, whether it is the manufacturin

fauci? dr. fauci: it is what i said before. to really essentially get people through the frustrations of having been in this for so many months. we need to hang in there together. this will end. it will end even sooner if we go continue to go by the public health measures that have been recommended time and again for so many months. judy: dr. fauci, thank you so much. i am going to turn the program back over to derek. thank you. dr. fauci: good to be with you as always. derek: thank you, dr. fauci. thank you, judy. people were asked what they would trust the best. the bible or science, and foreign away, science came first. thank you very much. >> c-span's washington journal. we are taking calls live on the air on the news of the day and discussing policy issues that impact you. coming up this morning, national journalists and reporters at cohen tells us what is -- reporter zach cohen tells us what is in the relief bill. progressks about the groups push for ideological balance to the supreme court and federal judiciary. heritage

fauci: yes. we have been vaccinating more and more people with the influenza vaccine as the years go by. last year, it was something like 170 million doses were distributed. we want to do at least that amount and hopefully more this year. judy: do you have concern about the public's reluctance to have the flu vaccine this year simply because covid is out there and they are just worried about any kind of vaccine? dr. fauci: that is something that bothers me continually, the people who have reluctance to get vaccinated. particularly you know a vaccine would be of such considerable benefit. we have to fight the classic anti-backs group. -- anti-vax. when people have doubt about the efficacy and the safety, which is what we are seeing with covid, you have to do an extra special effort to engage the community and outreach to them to give them the data they can make an informed decision. judy: you mentioned a moment ago, dr. fauci, you want to make sure that minority -- racial minorities are addressed,

fauci: absolutely. we have been planning for this for a few months. judy: that is underway. i wanted to ask you about the effect covid has had on other health risks and frankly on our research infrastructure in this country? dr. fauci: unfortunately it has been disrupted across the board. not only in the united states, but globally because of the shutdown and the diversions of resources and attention away from other diseases and covid. the typical type of screening for things you need to pay attention to, screening for breast cancer, for prostate cancer, getting people following up on things that were suggestive of an issue you asked for a follow-up and it was delayed by months, you can wind up getting to a situation where diseases that have nothing to do with covid, diseases of different types, infections, cancer, autoimmune, they might get neglected. routine checkups you would need tend to get neglected. we know in the hiv community the disruption of services and the disruption of availability of drug

fauci last hour. let's listen to what he said about when and how we can expect to begin to return to some sort of real normality here in the united states. >> it's not going to be turning a switch off and turning a switch on. it's going to be gradual. i think it will take several months before we get to the point where we can really feel something that approximates how it was normally before covid-19. i won't be until we get into 2021 that you'll have hundreds of millions of doses. just the logistics constraints in vaccinated large numbers of people, it's going to take months to get enough people vaccinated to have an umbrella of immunity over the community so that you don't have to worry about easy transmission. that's what i mean. it's not going to be an overnight event where you have a vaccine and then all of a sudden everything is okay. >> help us understand sanjay how this next year will unfold. we're talking about 2021. will unhofold as a vaccine will develop and we hope to return to normal. >>

fauci says. the question is will americans do what it takes, do what it takes to push this down and push the case curve and push the baseline down. that's what dr. fauci says is imperative. >> the idea of 200,000 deaths is really very sobering and in some respects stunning. we have the capability of doing the things that we've been speaking about for so long, sanjay, that could prevent the transmission, the universal wearing of masks, the attention to keeping distance, the avoiding of crowds and trying to be outdoors rather than indoors and washing of hands. sound so simple, sanjay. said them so many times but they are not universally implemented and employed. >> our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us now. sanjay, it was a fascinating conversation. dr. fauci trying to urge americans goat it together now so that things don't get worse again, and i'm going to use my term being diplomatic, urging people to do things that are contrary to what the president of the united states keep

anthony fauci. dr. fauci, welcome to the atlantic festival. dr. fauci: thank you. are more thanere who -- 200,000 americans have died from they coronavirus, i want to bring you back to march. you said that the middle-of-the-road -- your middle-of-the-road estimate was that 100,000 americans would die from covid-19. now that we are past the higher end of your predictions -- dr. fauci: the numbers speak for themselves. there have been some situations where things have worked well and other situations where they have not. we got hit badly particularly in the early part when the north eastern part of the country was ofounting for almost half all the infections, hospitalizations, and it deaths and then when they turned back around and came back down, they came back down to a baseline that was low and stayed low. they suffered terribly but now they are in a good place. at the situation we then went into is one that is troublesome. when we tried to reopen the economy a can, which i think we needed -- economy again, which i think we needed to do, what happened as we tried

fauci and mr. trump have some work to do on on that front but also about just the precautions that are being taken. dr. fauci did say he would standby this vaccine but i think americans are understandably having trouble trusting in government right now and in institutions in general so the more transparent these companies like moderna and pfizer could be about their process, today they released blueprints about the behind the scenes workings, that will help people trust this vaccine and help us get to a safer place in this country. >> this trust issue becomes an enormous problem all public health is about communication. it is all about trust. it's been screwed up and destroyed from the beginning now we have this remarkable vaccine process that has gone very quickly the way the screw it up is to freak americans out enough that they don't get it so you don't get the benefit of it. >> exactly, chris. i'm quarantined with a scientist so i have learned a lot more about the vaccine process and the timing

anthony fauci about this. this happened after the white house pushed back about accusations that the president intentionally misrepresented the country. he said that he always wanted to play it down so as not to create a panic. listen here. >> give me a moment of talking to somebody, going through this with fauci or somebody that kind of -- caused a pivot in your mind. because it's clear just from what is on the public record that you went through a pivot on this to oh, my god, the gravity is almost inexplicable and unexplainable. >> bob, i wanted to always play it down. i still like playing it down. because i don't want to create a panic. >> again, reaction from dr. anthony fauci. we begin with kristin fisher live at the white house this afternoon. that was quite a surprise this morning when this article dropped, kristin. >> no kidding, john. you know, the white house press secretary, she gave this big briefing, which was delayed quite a bit shortly after excerpts of this came out. she really can't dispute a

fauci says it will take time. remember this came is a vaccine that likely will require two doses, separated bay month. that's double the task we have to accomplish. >> a couple more topics before we wrap up. delta tested positive for covid-19 were approximately twice and likely to report dining in a restaurant two weeks before they tested positive. dr. fauci said this week that regardless of the percentage of capacity these restaurants eating in a restaurant, the risk increases. what's the threshold, what should people consider when returning to restaurants during this period? >> well, victor, i think the first thing they should consider is who are you? are you older? do you have an underlying illness? if that's the case, be extra cautious. see if you could eat outside rather than inside. if you're there with another couple, for example, wear the mask unless you're eating and drinking and absolutely make sure that the restaurant spread people apart and all the wait staff are masked. >> before we wrap up here, this

fauci. dr. fauci is also on the record saying of president trump, "his soul purpose is to get reelected." i think the bottom line is the president, by his own admission, and private, on the record, acknowledged the depth of this crisis and yet, told the american people something different. how is that not an abject betrayal of the public trust? >> the president has always been clear with the american people. he was clear about the lives we could lose. from this podium he acknowledged this was serious in march. 20,000 lives could be lost. fauci, you to dr. are referring to a quote he allegedly told bob woodward and i can give you quotes we could plan loop nvidia saying his response was impressive. "theauci saying, president, the first and only time i said you need to do mitigation, the response was yes, we will do it. the second time i went with dr. enough, wes is not need to go to 30 days. people have problems with that because of secondary effects. nonetheless, the president what with the recom

fauci perhaps we should consider possibly hunkering down this fall. the big concern with the flu season is that americans could be in for a double whammy. you got the flu and, of course, that lingering coronavirus as well. a cautiously optimistic tone coming from the nation's top infectious disease expert. on friday dr. fauci said we may see a vaccine by the end of the year but might take several months to get the country vaccinated and protected against the virus. >> it will take months to get enough people vaccinated to have an umbrella of immunity over the

fauci. one of them is if there's a choice of vaccines for people to have access to come out and i don't know, that possible that there will be several vaccines? available to people? will people be up to make a a decision about which one to choose? >> i think it is t eminently possible, if not likely that we love more than one candidate. i can mention there are six or seven that we ourselves in the united states are directly or indirectly involved with. that's not even counting the vaccines that are being made by foreign countries like russia and china in the uk and others. i would be surprised if we only had one vaccine. i think there would be more than one that would be available. >> so how do people make the decision about which one is the right one for them? >> well, you know, the companies are going to bene advertising as to what the specifics and the specifications of the product. i think it's going to be more or less, judy, something less sophisticated than this one happens to be avail

fauci and president trump. just this week, we heard president trump say in a rally we are turning the corner in the pandemic here in the united states. while at the same time a very sober assessment by dr. fauci who said he believes it could be a year or more before things return to normal in the united states. even if a vaccine is approved and starting distribution by the end of the year. a very different picture up or own wolf blitzer asked dr. fauci about this on his show. and i want you to take a listen between how dr. fauci explains the discrepancy from him and what we're hearing from the white house. >> you know, with the president, i say look at the data. the data speak for themselves. you don't have to listen to any individual. the data tells us that we're still getting up to 40,000 new infections a day. and 1,000 deaths. that's what you look at. look at the science, the evidence and the data. and you can make a pretty easy conclusion. >> reporter: so dr. fauci says it's an easy conclusion to draw. but

fauci. so dr. fauci has been consistent here, it is possible to have a vaccine as early as the end of the year if the science or the trials shows that. he's saying the idea of having it before the end of phase 3 trials doable, again, if it's safe and the science shows it's working. >> right, jim. you and i have been talking about this for several days now. dr. fauci is saying what many people have said, which is if the data looks incredibly good we could have a vaccine earlier than when the clinical trials are done. think about a vaccine as like cookies baking in the oven. you peek every so often to see if they're done early. it's possible there will be so many infections with the people in the trial and that the vaccine will work really, really work against that infection that they will say, we know it's early, but the data is just so good so that the fda should give an emergency use authorization or eua. let's listen to dr. fauci this morning on the "today" show. >> i have been through a number o

fauci say? >> reporter: well, brooke, i think we both remember time after time where the president would say one thing downplaying the seriousness of the threat of this coronavirus, while dr. fauci and other public health experts were offering a very different message, trying to impart the seriousness of the situation to the american people. and that is exactly what dr. fauci recounted in responding to this interview with bob woodward. listen. >> certainly there were disagreements as you know, there were times when i was out there telling the american public how difficult this is, how we're having a serious problem and the president was saying it is something that is going to disappear, which obviously is not the case. so there was and is some disagreements in what we say and what comes out from the white house. but, again, we're trying to get the right thing done by getting right word out but i can't have any explanation for the conversations between the author of the book, bob woodward, and th

fauci. i asked him when will we be able to do things playing basketball face -to-face again maybe we can do it in the third or fourth quarter of this year that sounded too optimistic. i called him back for qualificati qualificati clarifications he meant third our fourth quarter of next year, second half of next year which gives me more time to get in game shape for him which i am sure i will need >>> "the rachel maddow show" starts now >> i don't know if i would sell beer at that game or be the ref. >> it will be like our version of v-day we did it, we are done that's going to be it. me and anthony fauci playing basketball >> i am telling you whether or not if i am the ref of that game, you will have to let him win. if i am the ref of that game, you have to let him win. well-done my friend. thank you. and thanks for

fauci. i think there's always this balance i think as you and i have talked about between being hopeful and being honest. i think you and i are both hopeful, optimistic people by nature. but panic is about presenting it clearly with a plan. you have talked about the plans but i worry that the plans have not been followed. i think it gets to the idea of, you know, people who are worried about this, but aren't sure who to trust or what information to believe, which seems like a genuine concern. more so than maybe even i realized as i talk to people over the last months. yeah, but the guy said this on masks one day and now they're saying this and then, you know, the vaccine. whatever it might be where should people get their trusted information do you think? i mean, it used to be the cdc, right? i mean, tom frieden was out there on ebola every day. rich besser was talking about h1 h1n1. exact for the average person, where do they get the knowledge and information? >> well, they need to get it b

fauci and dr. birx urging americans to follow the guidelines and instead the president has checked out, wants people to think all is well and get back to school so what you see is the task force is urgently sending memos to states try to do this quietly so as not to annoy the president. just in georgia, june 29th, ensure public use of masks in all hot spots, mandate wearing of cloth face conversation, july 26th, mandate use of masks in all current hot sports, and august 9th, current mitigation efforts are not having a sufficient impact and would strongly recommend a mask mandate. here is the federal government, the president of the united states task force, urging a republican governor to help, do something, stop this, and it gets ignored. >> yeah, and -- and these -- these -- politics have so deeply engrained themselves into our fight against this virus and i think it does stem from the white house. we -- you know, there are very good scientists and epidemiologists in the federal government but ce

fauci. we'll take a quick break. but we'll be right back after but before we go, last week we introduced th pandemmys, the award show for the most notable achievements of the coronavirus pandemic. and since then, you guys cast more than one million votes. now, obviously, president trump is trying to have half of those thrown out. so, before he can, here are some of the big winners. >> for best bull, kenny mceneny for i will never lie to you. >> will you pledge never to lie to us. >> i will never lie to you, you have my word on that. >> outstanding stunt coordination, donald trump. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ for best kevin, man dragged out by son. (~bleep ). >> pussies! you're all a bunch of pussies! >> trevor: for best karen, i am legend. >> oh, lord! you're i allegenned! aaahhh! aaahhh! she's doing the same thing! aaahhh! >> trevor: so there you have it, those are the pan demies! but remember there are no real winners. everyone is a loser in 2020. anyway, thank you for joining the fun, and go to pandemmyawards.com to see all t

fauci. dr. fauci is apparently on the record saying of president trump his attention span is like a min us number and his sole purpose is to get reelected. that's according to woodard. the president by his own admission acknowledged the depth of this crisis and yet told the american people something very different. how is that not an abject betrayal of the public trust? >> the president was always clear to the american people and acknowledged this was serious in march. that 200,000 lives could be lost. dr. fauci you are referring a quote he allegedly told bob woodard. i can give you quotes we could play saying the response was impressive. dr. fauci said i can tell you the president the first and only time i said you need to do mitigation strongly, the response was yes, we will do it. the second time i went with dr. birx to the president and said 15 days to slow the spread are not enough. we have to go to 30 days. people had problems with that. nonetheless the president went with that recommendat

fauci, and dr. fauci has been -- if i can think about one person who has spoken the truth about this pandemic, it's him, and he has managed to find a way to speak the truth, whether it's through a press conference or whether he could don't a press conference. he would do a podcast, do grand rounds. dr. fauci is a national hero. he's worked hard and tirelessly through this pandemic during a difficult time, and he's done all he can, and we should be very, very proud we have him in that position but he could have easily said, i have no time for this, but he's doing what he's doing and he continues to push because he believes in science and public health, and his role is to save lives and tell the truth. >> dr. carlos del rio. it's an honor to have you hear today. thank you for your time. >> delighted to be with you. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. >> all right we'll be right back. stay with us >>> that is going to do it for us tonight. i will see you again tomorrow night when my guest

fauci and returning to pre-covid. is that really a possibility that it will be without masks, without social distancing, that it will look like 2019 in the best case scenario? >> look we learned a lot from this virus and certainly changed our behavior in numerous ways and the reason that we're doing all of the social distancing, we're wearing these masks, we're so vigilant because the virus is transmitting amongst us in ways he we can't see. if we get to a point where enough of us have acquired immunity meaning there was a vaccine or people got sick or therefore immune the virus won't be pain between us like it is now and we can go back to what we call normal. the fact is we're not nearly there. and what i worry about is a lot of people are trying to go back to normal right now and that's a really dangerous thing. the fall starts off, the unofficial beginning of the new year, start of school, start of colleagues and people want to pretend covid is over. it's not. we have to keep doing these things and be tucked in for

fauci and dr. deborah birx are trying to slow a new spread of covid after the labor day weekend, especially among people who are asymptomatic. >> if you've been on vacation, if you've gone to a ho spot, gone to a party in the neighborhood, if you took your mask off and were not socially distant you need to get tested. >> reporter: test results are coming back much faster than the week to ten days it took last month the niizona, commonspirit health i each day for hospitals in 21 states results within 36 hours. >> we have so many asymptomatic people in the country. they don't know they have covid they don't know that they're potentially exposing many people to it. >> reporter: also tonight a new cdc report suggests small children can transmit the virus. 12 children acquired covid in child care centers, then spread it to parents and siblings one parent had to be hospitalized two of three asymptomatic children were spreading covid. >> we know from modeling studies that about 50% of the transmission occ

anthony fauci. dr. fauci, thanks so much for joining us and thanks for everything you're doing. we are all grateful to you. and on this anniversary of september 11th, i wonder what goes through your mind, especially as a new yorker as you reflect back on the lives lost that day. >> well, it was a really terrible tragedy, wolf. i just by happen stance happened to have been in new york city coming through the queens mid-town tunnel and coming out right at the time that the planes hit. so i had the unfortunate experience of the tension and the pain and the suffering that really permeated the city that day. it just reminds us of the fragility of life but also of the extraordinary spirit of the american public. i mean, particularly the people in new york. but the entire country that we pulled together after that tragedy and really came together as a nation which hopefully we can do now within the context of this historic pandemic that we're going through. >> unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening, at least not yet. the nation has rarely been as united, unified as it was on t

fauci and dr. burkes are trying to slow a spread especially among people who are asymptomatic. >> if you went to a party and you took your mask off, you really need to get tested. >> results are coming back faster. 97% back in three days. in arizona, now able to process 10,000 samples each day for hospitals with results in 36 hours. >> we have so many asymptomatic people. they don't know they have covid or are potentially exposing many people to it. >> a new cdc report small children can transmit. 12 children got covid in child care centers and spread to parents or siblings. one parent had to be hospitalized. >> we know 50% of a transmission occur from a person without symptoms to someone infected. >> those infected but asymptomatic continue to pose the greatest challenge. >> one more thing about the timeline, how realistic is it? coming up, i'll speak with someone who knows for sure. >>> first, the view of america from miles away. a new number for trump's polling and how it compares to other world

anthony fauci called the death toll very sobering. early on he had predicted a lower death toll but says that was based on people adhering to faceas

believe tony fauci. we know the president is a liar. he started lying the day he was inaugurated about the crowd size, and he has consistently lied to the american public. the bob woodward tape is chilling because not only does the president in his own words acknowledge that he absolutely understood the gravity of the disease, understood how different it was from the flu, understood what the death rates could be, but lied to the public. but in addition to that, chris, i think -- i think we've got to talk about he never used the muscle of the federal government to do what he could have and should have done at that point in february, mobilize a massive testing campaign nationally, mobilize the production and gathering of ppe and save lives in nursing homes across this country, mobilize the will of the american public to take some tough medicine and withdraw from interaction with one another and get the virus down to the point that we could not only protect vulnerable citizens but build testing capacity and tracing capacity so when we re-e

fauci. let me point out within the scientific community there's tremendous debate, for example, people like dr. atlas from stanford, dr. richard from yale, a lot of folks within science that would disagree with dr. fauci. the president is making optimistic case that we are nearing the end of this, the trends are going to aggressively toward health and this is critical on the issue of supposed discrepancies on your network a few days ago made it clear that he doesn't believe the president was dishonest and let me beprecise and quote him, he said i didn't see any discrepancies, what he told us, what we told him and what he came out and said publicly. again, nobody is going to accuse dr. fauci of being a trump partisan. he said no discrepancies here. chris: in an interview on msnbc on friday he said something different. i find it interesting that sometimes you're citing him as an authority and sometimes you're saying he's wrong. one last question. i have only time for this on the campaign. stev

fauci has made for some time. and frankly, we've seen in other viral outbreaks as well, even if you go back to 1918, actually, during this sort of time period, they were actually able to bring the numbers down pretty significantly. but it was the second wave back in 1918, which sort of corresponding with this time period in the fall where you had that sort of devastating second wave of illness and death, you know, close to 195,000 people died in a single month back then. so those are terrible numbers to think about or consider, but, you know, that's the closest sort of model we have to right now. and i think that that's what's really worrisome for anybody following this from a viral dynamic standpoint zplp y. you talk about a base line. it may be that the numbers have started to tick back up again. this is the seven-day moving average of new cases in the united states and the graph has bent upwards again, as we head into september and that, i think, is why dr. fauci in his really fascinating interview with you yes

fauci. he is also on the record saying of president trump his attention span is like a minus number and his sole purpose to get re-elected. according to veteran journalist bob woodward. bottom line here is the president by his own admission in private on the record acknowledged the depth of this crisis yet told the american people something very different. how is that it at its core not an abject betrayal of public trust? >> the presidents always clear with the american people about the lives he could lose. from this podium acknowledged it was serious bab in march, 100,000, 200,000 links could be lost. with regard to dr. fauci you're referring to a quote he allegedly told bob woodward. i can give you quotes played on loop saying his response was impressive and can't imagine anyone doing anything better. dr. fauci saying i can tell you the president, first and only time i said do mitigation strongly, responsibilities was, yes, we will do it it. and then bent e went with dr. birx, 15 days nor

believe tony fauci. we know the president is a liar. he started lying the day he was inaugurated about the crowd size, and he has consistently lied to the american public. the bob woodward tape is chilling because not only does the president in his own words acknowledge that he absolutely understood the gravity of the disease, understood how different it was from the flu, understood what the death rates could be, but lied to the public. but in addition to that, chris, i think -- i think we've got to talk about he never used the muscle of the federal government to do what he could have and should have done at that point in february, mobilize a massive testing campaign nationally, mobilize the production and gathering of ppe and save lives in nursing homes across this country, mobilize the will of the american public to take some tough medicine and withdraw from interaction with one another and get the virus down to the point that we could not only protect vulnerable citizens but built testing capacity and tracing capacity so when we re-e

fauci touch on before. even with a vaccine that is highly effective, we still will have cases of the coronavirus. the flu is a good example of that. in any given year our flu vaccine can be about 60% effective, which is considered pretty darn good. and we still have people who get the flu and die from the flu. so, we don't really escape. there's no, you know, magic cure, silver bullet in a way to kind of get away from the coronavirus, as you stated earlier. we have to manage it. we will need to continue some of these behaviors even after we get a vaccine. >> you can cross your fingers for a vaccine some day or start wearing a mask tomorrow. up to you. dr. patel, always good to see you. thanks very much. >>> coming up in the next hour, the stakes are high for latino communities in 2020. the operative word is commune tees, plural bhach are both parties doing to reach out to all kind of latina voters and what are they missing? >>> also, next weekend, we're expanding our saturday and sunday coverage at msnbc. i

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anthony fauci. dr. fauci says in a new interview that labor day revelers pose a threat to health and he's worried about another spike. dr. fauci says it's critical to get the new infections down, but the numbers remind us just how stubborn and resilient this virus is and they remind us the price of not enforcing that baseline down before memorial day. new infections back above 40,000 today. when you have that many cases, this sad statistic is as hard to change as it is to swallow. another 1,000 americans lost their lives to this virus tuesday. where are the cases rising? let's take a look as we go through the next 50 states and you see orange and red across the country. 17 states trending up and that means new coronavirus new infections reporting now. half of the states, 25 holding steady. that's the beige color and it includes texas which, of course, was a big piece of the summer surge. eight states trending down, still including arizona and california. they were a big part of the summer surge. florida

fauci saying also that the u.s. needs to hunker down for the fall and winter and not under estimate the potential of the pandemic. what does hunker down mean? return to lockdown? >> to reiterate a famous quote from "game of thrones." winter is coming. we are deep in the throes of the pandemic and we don't have all of the tools to effectively fight. we have flu season coming up on top of that. this is a figurphysician's nigh. it is hard to distinguish between flu and covid-19. the potential to overwhelm the hospital is real. the united states absolutely needs to hunker down this fall and winter if we want to continue to fight the virus effectively. does that mean another lockdown is coming? i can't say. what we have seen so far is that the united states has been overwhelmingly reactionary in response to the pandemic as opposed to precautionary. we react with a high number of daily cases or deaths or icu hospitalizations. we are not putting precautionary measures in place to prevent those things from occurring. >> whe

anthony fauci. but we begin tonight with the fierce reaction in louisville at this hour, after the grand jury's decision in the death of breonna taylor, indicting one of three officers, but not in her death. breonna taylor, a louisville emt, was shot dead after officers serving a warrant opened fire. a grand jury weighing charges against the three officers on the scene, indicting one of them. not in her death, indicting the officer on three counts of wanton endangerment in the first degree, against now former officer brett hankison for shooting into taylor's apartment, charged because of the bullets that threatened neighboring tenants. tonight, the lawyer for taylor's family calling the decision outrageous and offensive. you can see protesters there in the streets. the national guard is standing by. there is a curfew in place for the next 72 hours. and abc's alex perez now leading us off from louisville. >> reporter: tonight, outraged protesters taking to the streets of louisville after a grand jury

you know tony fauci, dr. fauci, very well. he's got to be diplomatic, but that's clearly what he was saying, wolf. i think a larger point is, and this has been a source of frustration for a lot of people. if you say this is an a response, you're basically saying this is the best that the united states of america can do. the best that this country can do was be the worst in the world in terms of overall number of deaths. that we'd have the most deaths, 20% roughly of the world's deaths and not even 4 or 5% of the world's population. is that what we're saying if we give ourselves an a grade? i don't think so. and to your earlier question, it matters still. this isn't over. we're not doing the post analysis on this. we're still in it. so if we want to get an a grade, we've really got to behave like we have an a grade. we can do it still, even without the vaccine. even without some significant therapeutic breakthrough. we can make a significant, significant impact in saving lives over the next several months. >> thanks very much.

fauci. the president is now making i think very properly overly optimistic case that we are nearing the end of this, that the trends are going aggressively towards health and regarding fauci, by the way, because i think this is critical on the issues, fauci on your network just a few days ago made it very clear that he doesn't believe the president was being dishonest and let me be precise" imperative he said, this is dr. fauci talking with the president, he said i didn't see any discrepancies. at what he told us, what we told him and what he came out and said publicly. and again, nobody is going to accuse dr. fauci of being a trump artisan. he said no discrepancies here. >> chris: in a narrow on msnbc on friday he said something different. i find it interesting that sometimes you're citing him as an authority and sometimes you're saying he's wrong. i've got only time for this on the campaign. >> steve: i just of the president had a more optimistic view. i didn't say fauci is wrong, i said t

fauci outlined a timeline of what's to come. he believes an fda-approved vaccine will be available by the end of this year or early next year, but it will be closer to the end of 2021 when we see any semblance of our pre-pandemic days. this morning, the nation's top infectious disease expert is at odds with the president. >> we're rounding the turn. you see what's happening. you see the numbers are plunging. >> reporter: dr. anthony fauci publicly disputing those claims. >> i'm sorry, but i have to disagree with that. we're plateauing at around 40,000 cases a day. and the deaths are around a thousand. >> and issuing this sobering warning. >> if you're talking about getting back to a degree of normality that resembles where we were prior to covid, it's going to be well into 2021, maybe even towards the end of 2021. >> reporter: in response to dr. fauci's comments, a white house official told nbc news, the president is making the point that our mortality rate is going down, case numbers are going down, and that we are in a better

fauci. >> i know how personal life is going and how your family is dealing with all of this. there have been rough moments along the way. how are things going now for you and your family? >> i am doing fine, jim. i have a great family. my wife is amazing. my children are very strong. the things haven't gotten better with regard to the hassles from the far extreme people that make threats both to me, family, wife and daughters. i don't mind them doing it to me. i don't care. but i don't like to see my wife and children being hassled. but that is a nature of the society. part of the facts of life, unfortunate but part of the facts of life. >> you can't work all the time, dr. fauci. we know you like to work but you can't do it around the clock or it catches up with you as we all know. we appreciate you hanging in there. there was other news developing during the first part of the hour. dr. fauci, thank you so much for joining us. hope you stay safe as well. we appreciate it. >> yeah. you too ji

fauci, the top infectious disease doctor in the u.s. government delivering the hard truth of how bad this still is. another part of the interview, dr. fauci told andrea today it will be quote, "well into 2021 or maybe towards the end of 2021 before we are approaching anything of normalcy." that's a best case scenario with a successful vaccine that works and gets distributed. well into 2021 or maybe towards the end of 2021 with the vaccine. he's telling us things that are hard to hear that are based in reality. because of the president's comment on covid as he approached 200,000 dead or increasingly divorced from reality and therefore harmful. here is dr. fauci having to clean up and correcting the president's false statements. it is a very, very valuable public service that he did that, finally and that he does that. finally somebody telling us the truth. boy, do we need him? boy, does it make me fear for his job. all this stuff is helping, eyes opened and no opting out. this is our time and our country. we got to do what we can to make

anthony fauci. dr. fauci, thanks so much for joining the program again. >> good to be with you again. >> listen, i know the news is coming in all the time as folks take a closer look at the various vaccine candidate. you've been consistent for weeks and months saying it's possible as soon as the end of this year. we now have the ceo of pfizer saying he should have enough data by the end of october. i'm curious. have you seen any data that has you moving up a likely time line for a workable vaccine? >> these are all guest mats, jim. i mean, if you look at the projection of the enrollment and the kinds of things you'll need to get a decision about whether the vaccine is safe and effective, most of us project that that's going to be by november and december, by the end of this year. could this be earlier? sure, so if someone comes out and says, you know, i'm going to shoot for the possibility that i'll get it by october. you can't argue strongly against that. that's unlikely, not impossible. i think most o

fauci and dr. deborah birx are trying to slow a new spread of covid after the labor day weekend, especially among people who are asymptomatic. >> if you've been on vacation, gon to a hot spot, gone to a party in the neighborhood, if you took your mask off and were not socially distant you need to get tested. >> reporter: test results are coming back much faster than the we can to ten days it took last month the nih reports 97% of results are now back twn three days in scottsdale, arizona, commonspirit health is able to process 10,000 samples each day for hospitals in 21 states results within 36 hours. >> we have so many asymptomatic people in the country. they don't know they have covid they don't know that they're potentially exposing many people to it. >> reporter: also tonight a new cdc report suggests small children can transmit the virus. 12 children acquired covid in child care centers, then spread it to parents and siblings one parent had to be hospitalized two of three asymptomatic children

fauci. where did it come from? it came from the science and the evidence and sometimes people don't want to hear this stuff. i mean, people don't like bad news. the that -- that part is true, but it doesn't mean that the truth doesn't need to be told. i think what's interesting regarding what the cdc put out. first of all, the cdc, why are they putting that sort of stuff out because i think it does in part muddy the waters a bit and then, of course, it gets re-tweeted. the president re-tweets it and that amplifies this incorrect message. 180,000 people have died of covid, a true number like dr. fauci said. how do you know for sure? well, you take care of these patients in hospitals, 140 million people have pre-existing conditions as things stand right now. that doesn't mean they are imminently going to die of those pre-existing conditions. here's another way to look at it. right now excess deaths in this country are around 200,000, so the number of people who have died during this time period this year as compared

fauci, dr. robert redfield that full vaccination of the american people, broad distribution of this vaccine out to the public, will likely take manies. and that you're not going to have the entire country guarded against this virus through a vaccine until sometime in 2021. that is in conflict with what the president's political timeline. he wants the public to think that by election day he's going to wave a magic wand and have this disappear. and that is innot the case. an with the nation running up against this dreaded milestone of 200,000 deaths, it could debl that by early next year according to reject projections, the president is feeling pressure. my sense, brooke, that is the thrust of what he wanted to talk about this news conference. but he wants to respond to joe biden. biden had that taown hall on cn last night and biden was saying, you know, get mad at president trump for these lockdowns. it is because the president that you have these lockdowns forcing people not to live their lives

fauci and birx hopes for. >> and why don't we see dr. fauci more at these press c conferences? he is obviously more trusted on this issue. thank you, jeremy diamond. >>> let's get more. sir, you have been spoking with the blake family. what did they have to say about president trump's trip to kenosha? >> a lot of people have been asking why the president hasn't spoken to the family. the answer i get is they don't want to talk to the president. they don't like what he has been saying over the term while in office. i will let you listen to jacob blake's uncle after we asked him if he had a message for the president or if anyone in the family was interested in meeting with the pred. >> do you want to talk to the president? >> not that we are aware of. i can't speak for everybody. but it seemed like the general consensus was he has been in office four years. the foul things that has flowed out of his mouth has been incentive for police officers to brutalize black young men and it happened here. that's what he seems to be the chairman of. we have to focus on little jake and let him

fauci. let's go to dr. redfield and then admiral giroir and then dr. han. dr. redfield, welcome. >> thank you, chairman alexander, ranking member murray and members of the committee. and i want to thank you for the opportunity to be here today. on behalf of cdc i also want to thank you for your continued support of our public health professionals and their lifesaving work that they're committed to 24/7. over 6,700 cdc staff have been engaged in our agency's covid-19 response so far. and more than 1,200 have been deployed to more than 200 locations, tribal nations in the united states and abroad. i know that you joined me in expressing our collective deep gratitude to the women and men of cdc for their resilience, their dedication and their service to our nation. throughout this global pandemic cdc has brought its science expertise to the front lines, grounded in science and data conducting rapid investigations of disease outbreaks that identify the highest risk populations and settings, and