alex berenson has spent a lot of time looking into this and into the broader question of how the u.s. has responded to covid. he is the author of "unreported truths the series" and we are happy to have them on tonight. alex berenson, the nicholas wade piece, as i know you have read laid out with a lot of clarity on how u.s. tax dollars wound up in wuhan funding experiments that killed millions of people. fauci is denying any connection to this at all. what should we believe? >> i do want to push back on you a little bit here because -- >> tucker: please. >> talk about indicting tony fauci is a mistake. i think our focus -- >> tucker: well, i don't. >> the chinese did a lot -- they spend a lot of money, and very little bit of that money seems to come from the nih, okay? and tony fauci oversaw a multibillion-dollar budget. this was a small grant and a portion of a small grant, and i think he probably had no idea or, if he knew about it, it was 5 minutes in the course of a year for him as to what was going on. now, that does not mean he should not answer the question honestly and it does

robby soave, alex berenson and dan kovalik. >> it certainly does not work. but mom still comes through with the same sort of vigor it did before. let me more angry. it's like you're trying to deprive them of their reason to be angry does not work. what we need to do to not have it occur in the first place is to have new standards for how these things shake out. bike leave people alone if it is not newsworthy. do not join pylons in social media. the harassing up man. maybe there's more going on and you could embarrass yourself of getting it totally wrong is what occurred with the actual example arm referring to. people need to be a little bit more patient. less apt to jump down each other's throats and want to be outraged and angry all the time. that is the broad kind of social or cultural change we need parts make it take some real reflection to not be so reactive. alex, same thing is there a possibility for forgiveness? we see people cancel but chris harrison no longer the host of the bachelor. a show he's hosted for 15, 16 years, what you think? >> i'm pro

h researcher alex berenson has noted that coronavirus vaccines now account for almost one-third of all tinnitus reports in the vaers database. ringing in your ears. the american tinnitus association says itt has receivd many questions on that, and there is concern about it. meanwhile, researchers at oxford and ucla have begun tracking coronavirus vaccine side effects across eight separate countries, what they have found, amonghe other things, women aged 18 to 34 years old had a higher rate of deep vein thrombosis than men on the same age.34 they also found that heart attacks were "common in people 85 years and older" who had taken the vaccine. they found some serious potential side effects in some children. "anaphylaxis and appendicitis were more common in young people." now, vaccines are complicated, and as with any drug, it can take them on time to get exactly right, the dosage, for example, and this is not the first time people have been hurt during a vaccination campaign. that ise, bound to happen. what is different this time and so striking is the reaction to these numbers. here's

alex berenson, the nicholas wade piece, as i know you have read, laid out with a lot of clarity on how u.s. tax dollars bound up in wuhan funding experiments and math killed millions of people. fauci is denying any connection to this at all. what should we believe? >> i do want to push back on you a little bit here because -- >> tucker: please. >> talk about indicting tony fauci is a mistake. i think our focus -- >> tucker: well, i don't. >> the chinese did a lot -- they spend a lot of money, and very little bit of that money seems to come from the nih, okay? and tony fauci oversaw a multibillion-dollar budget. this was a small grant and a portion of a small grant, and i think he probably had no idea or, if he knew about it, it was 5 minutes in the course of a year for him as to what was going on. now, that does not mean he should not answer the question honestly and it does not mean we should not ask him, but i think making him the villain on this is a mistake. there are lots of other things i would make tony fauci the villain on first. >> tucker: but let me push back on you just for

researcher alex berenson has noted that coronavirus vaccines now account for almost one-third of all tinnitus reports in the vaers database. ringing in your years. the american tinnitus association says it has received many questions on that, and there is concern about it. meanwhile, researchers at oxford and ucla have begun tracking coronavirus vaccine side effects across eight separate countries, what they have found, among other things, women aged 18 to 34 years old had a higher rate of deep vein thrombosis than men on the same age. they also found that heart attacks were "common in people 85 years and older" who had taken the vaccine. they found some serious potential side effects in some children. "anaphylaxis and appendicitis were more common in young people." now vaccines are comp located, and as with any drug, it can take them on time to get exy right, the dosage, for example, and this is not the first time people have been hurt during a vaccination campaign vehicle that is bound to happen. what is different this time and so striking is the reaction to these numbers. here's a

and there were some alex berenson, sharyl attkisson just recently tried to do it she was shut down by sinclaire for even trying to do it. that's what they do to us. we are supposed to live in the land of the free and believe in the first amendment. we may as well be living in communist china sometimes. >> brian: right. >> the way that they treat us. you are not even allowed to touch the subject. >> brian: steve, you got big blowback on this but your reporting was very solid they couldn't be land a go blow. for people watching at home it's not about pointing a finger, it's about stopping the next pandemic. if we don't know how this one started how do we stop the next one. the last half hour the doctor came out from the cdc and basically seems to be doing a little cya and says they did give money to the wuhan lab but they didn't know exactly what they did with it when they gave it to them. does that change anything? >> that's an outrageous statement and this is what really should make us all so suspicious because we can read the descriptions of the projects that were commissioned in gre

here to discuss we have got the author of unreported truth alex berenson, indiana senator mike braun and fox news medical contributor dr. janette nesheiwat. good morning to all of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. steve: senator, let's start with you, why was this a fringe theory last year but now with fauci saying, you know, maybe there is something to the lab leak thing and the "wall street journal" saying three people from the lab got sick at the same time before the pandemic was declared. looks fishy. >> when you put so much energy and effort into a dialogue, anywhere from the beginning, of course trump brought up the subject that it might have originated there, anybody with any common sense would have said hey, let's take a look at that especially from a place that the is not traps parent at all. but when you invest that much in it over time, very similar to, you know, kind of election integrity stuff. when you have any question you are called seditionist. it's the dc 2 step. what's interesting now is looks like information is cascading forth that's going t