joanna: thank you. lenny: thank you for the opportunity. judy: and we'll be back shortly with commerce secretary gina raimondo on women and the pandemic economy. but first, take a moment to hear from y ♪ judy: the 19th, an independent nonprofit newsroom and streaming partner of the "newshour," continues its annual represents summit today with, among other things, an interview i did with commerce secretary gina raimondo. we spoke about how the pandemic has especially affected women in the workforce and i asked her what needs to happen for women to feel comfortable returning to work. here's that excerpt. sec. raimondo: you know, i talk to ceo's pretty much daily and they will tell me they have a lot of women who are their very best employees, their very best software developers, their very best managers. they want them to take promotns. they're offering them promotions. but women are saying, i can't do it right now. i can't do it right now. you know, with schools being closed, with childcare hard to find, with -- maybe they have, as i have,

it's an issue of fairness to the police officers. >> reporter: joanna. that's not the way in whic qualified immunity actually works in principle. it is true that the constitution does not lay out specific rules, but the supreme court, in its fourth amendment doctrine and the court decisions that it has had, do lay out general principles, and what qualified immunity requires is not that law enforcement officers follow those general principles but that the payoff be able to find a prior court decision with virtually identical facts. as one quick example, it is well known and established that a police officer cannot use force against a person who has surrendered and is not posing any harm. but a man named baxter hat his se thrown out of court on qualified immunity grounds when he surrendered and officers released a police dog on him, even though in that same court they said releasing a police dog on a person lying down and surrendered is excessive. baxter was sitting up and not lying down when the dogs were released upon him. this is not a matter of notice,