the the cross talking trump 2024. i'm joined by my guess, jen kerns and new york sheets. host of all american radio, with jennifer kerns, also new york. we have david fisher. he is author of the book, the executive order, as well as the ghost writer for donald trump. 2016 campaign book crippled america. and in west palm beach, we cross to gene allowed, and she is like psychology expert and a long time trump advisor her across soc rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. david, let me go to you 1st here. let's start from the basics here. what is the identity of the republican party as we speak right now? and is donald trump a reflection of that party? go ahead david. well, i think it's a party in search of an identity. you know, already here it's become known as call 45. where the, where? so many millions of people sort of mindlessly follow whatever. trump says, you know, the question becomes, are there enough of those people just swing national action and we don't know

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it's going to be donald trump's party and it's going to be whoever donald trump decides to bring along with them. and i'll say this because people like to call, trump supporters mindless. that is as long as donald trump states about stays true to the values that got him where he is. and the reason there was so much tumult once he was elected is because he came in and shook things up and did it to them. the way, the sort of almost one party system that we've seen over the last couple of decades emerge where democrats and republicans were practically indistinguishable. which means they're not interested, real republicans are not interested in having that kind of leader represent them. they want leaders that are out there, you know, send it on fire like, you know, saying things that, that bring us together. thing, things that dismantle the swamp. those are the kind of things donald trump did, and others like matt gates, others like rod to santa and that you can, you can honestly tell who the most successful, most beloved. and the most feared republicans are by looking at who the democrats

trump was furious. he was furious and he yelled at esper you are taking we might authorities. >> he would not be pushed around and the unabashedly shoved his statesman at trump was sitting at the resolute desk. this is what i said. understand, don't misinterpret it. so this is one of the many incidents where milley just said, my god, there is a mental decline here. there is a danger and he had a wonderful phrase for it, which i want to read i don't ruin it. for milley said, this is the absolute darkest moment of theoretical possibility. in other words, the moment was dark but the possibility was theoretical, but then it became real when you mix it with the trump personality and this irrational raging. so what esper and milley realized -- on this, that they had actually checkmated -- i mean, we worked together for years. there's a point where you -- you keep the boss from doing what we be damage to the institution or even the boss, and they believe they checkmated trump on bringing the combat troops to w

>> it was a match made in trump's hotel in washington in 2016 costa said to me trump might be president he was on the verge of getting the nomination and he said we should go interview him. we did and i got two titles from the interview, i always bring out fear or a use fear to get my way and i bring outrage in people so fear in rage came from the interview and after the interview he said some things and if he was elected president he would end the national debt in the first term and i observed that is not happen in the national debt and is going through the roof and i remember what you said to me. >> we have several conversations at the time how we had to take trump seriously. , that interview in 2016 was a precursor to this book in terms of the method must talk to this candidate donald trump he said let's not go in there with a fishing pole as reporters and try to get different soundbites and really prepare for the interview. in other presidents of the past and he said to me in 2016 in february and march as we were getting ready and thinking about decisions why did trump decide to run

there's no claim that trump's making that mary trump lied or is liable. the lawsuit basically admits that all this stuff is true. trump's claim is hey, she hurt my reputation. i didn't really know that was possible, but that's what he's arguing. trump himself has noted that this "new york times" piece was viewed the most of all of its online articles. enough to give him a $100 million bruise to his ego. the first amendment where founders have is really pretty ironclad. i think tim's right. this is a garbage lawsuit. the other question is why file it. i can think of two reasons. one is his lawyers, who let's face it, are not ever very good. from john eastman to rudy giuliani. maybe he's getting bad legal advice, but even then, why wait a year to sue? all this stuff happened a year ago. the other possibility is that remember donald trump forced his white house staff to sign nondisclosure. it's not something i've ever heard the president doing before. the basis is mary trump violated a nondisclosure agreement. maybe it's a shot at its white house staff to no

, and he sort of confronts trump about his chances of getting re-elected and he says to trump, they just think you're an -- you can read on the screen what he says. but -- >> we got it, yeah. >> -- the number of shouting matches, the -- word is used in this book more than i would say every quin ton tarantino movie, "the big lebowski" and another combined, it really shows how milley came to the point he was at because of just explosion after explosion. >> jamie, it is fascinating. obviously it is not just the expletives that got all of these officials' attention. >> yeah. >> it was just the behavior and the seeming unhinged quality that is depicted, that you describe and bob woodward. jamie, stay with us, if you would. >> sure. >> we are joined by cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser, a staff writer for "the new yorker." and retired general mark hertling. general, i will start with you because all of the stuff about obviously have the nuclear codes, maybe launching a nuclear weapon, having access to declare, you know, some sort of military strike, i mean the way it is depicted in this

trump left the door open. the muffled sound track of excited screams and yells from his supporters filling the room, the noise outside grew louder, almost like a party. isn't that great, trump exclaimed is this tomorrow is going to be a big day. leading off our discussion tonight, bob woodward, two-time pulitzer prize winning author, robert costa national political reporter for "the washington post." they are the co-authors of the new already best seller "peril." bob woodward, let me begin with you, and that scene just described, that's in your book, on january 5th, this is the night before what became an attack on the capitol and there's the president of the united states believing and insisting to his vice president that he can change the outcome of the presidential election the next day. mike pence saying i've tried, in effect. i've hoped that i could find a way to do that, and i can't find it. and that's how close we came to a different electoral college count in the congress the next day. >> yes, more tha

who saw trump closes close-up and personal in his abusive diplomatic power he mostly said that trump saw obstruction of justice as a way of life and the last one i will use is trump used power promiscuously and not an obvious ways but certainly visibly. no president has come close to using the pardon power to help friends to pursue a political agenda to help himself in a way that trump did. some present have done in the past and it was exceptional but trump made it into row. these are what bob and i would call serious abuses of power. some of these things might have been it's not clear but most abuses of power and his other abuses of power for various reasons were certainly non-violative and this was a distinction we heard a lot. expectations of behavior that we have for president but aren't with the penalty attached to them them and he can't endorse them in court. there's no prosecution. these are rules of expected behavior that president to act like presidents are expected to end these norms grew up self-consciously -- subconsciously and presidents complied with conflict of interes

there is no rug in trump tower big enough to do that. we must make sure that we hold him to the same standard we would hold any criminal suspect in this country. and as it relates to executive privilege, i think they should apply it with that lens as well. >> and are there situations where -- where you can imagine that there would be legitimate executive privileges claims here? >> well, especially as it relates to what is inside the bounds of being president. you know, making decisions around foreign policy, making decisions around appointments, you know, when they're free from corruption or fraud or, you know, crime, yes, i would say they should assert those privileges, because they would want them for themselves or any future president republican or democratic. i happen to believe when you incite -- when you assemble, incite aband i and aim a mob at the capitol to help you steal an election that's far outside the bounds. >> before you go, let me get your assessment where things stand on the two track biden infrastructure legislation. t

the american people chose donald trump. my state voted for donald trump. i'm a senator from south carolina. john mccain was pretty good with working with people he didn't get along with, so i made a conscious decision, after saying every bad thing i could about trump during the 2016 campaign... you know that i'm going to wheel out the quote, which has been hung around your neck a million times. you called trump, when you were running against him, you said to the republican party, "don't vote for this guy cos he's a race baiting, "xenophobic bigot..." religion bigot. "he does not... yeah. religion bigot. "he does not represent my party." and you know what my party told me? go to hell. he won. so you abandoned your principles. no, i didn't abandon my principles. well, you thought the guy was a xenophobic bigot. i accepted the consequences of the election. in a democracy, i can take my ball and go home, but the people in south carolina chose president trump, the people of america chose president trump. i've tried to help him where i could. so it's ok to help

er, trump won. right. so you... no, i didn't choose donald trump. the american people chose donald trump. my state voted for donald trump. i'm a senator from south carolina. john mccain was pretty good with working with people he didn't get along with. so i made a conscious decision after saying everything bad thing i could about trump during the 2016 campaign... you know, you know that i'm going to wheel out the quote which has been hung round your neck a million times, you called trump, you said, don't vote for this guy cos he's a race baiting xenophobic bigot. religious bigot. "he does not represent my party". and you know what my party told me? go to hell. he won. and so you abandoned your principles. no, i didn't abandon my principles. well, you thought the guy was a xenophobic bigot. i accepted the consequences of the election. in a democracy, i can take my ball and go home but the people in south carolina chose president trump. the people of america chose president trump. i've tried to help him where i could. so it's ok to help a guy who you

more clever trump. one of the most important things to understand about trump is that in many instances thankfully he was incompetent at yielding executive power. he wasn't very good. the report about trying to get someone to stop the investigation and fire mueller and the like. the amazing thing is the president of the united states who had the formal power to accomplish that he couldn't get anyone to do it. he wasn't good at yielding executive power to achieve his ends. the worry is these gaps in accountability and these weak norms and gaps in the law are going to still be there when we have another president who is a popular demagogue and it could be a republican right-wing populist demagogues or it could be a democrat left-wing. but the worry is you will have a more competent resident that can take even greater advantages of these weaknesses. so we basically think the time for action is now and bob will talk more about that and why that is. so if i were describing -- let me just say four things, the

one of the reasons that trump picked pence was because he was a statue, he would stand over trump's shoulder, smiling looking adoreingly of everything that trump did. and yet january 6th it seemed to be the breaking point and it's ironic what trump expected him to be a statue when he couldn't be. >> and the reward for loyalty was a mob chanting hang mike pence. and carol asked the former president point blank what he wanted to happen when he encouraged the crowds to march, and in his answer, trump suggested that capitol police were responsible that day by allowing crowds into the building. let's listen to the tape. >> there was a lot love, i heard that from many people. many people told me that was a loving crowd. and, you know, it was -- it was too bad -- it was too bad that it got -- you know, they didn't -- >> there were just some -- >> mr. president, i apologize. what we're trying to understand is not blame, not castigate -- >> i understand. >> -- we want to understand what did you want when you said go up there? what would you have dreamed for them to do? >> that you will show not to go

of the biggest trump allies, lindsey graham and senator lee from utah, this is■ the core of trump's support in the senate, investigated these claims and discovered that there was absolutely nothing there, and what you see trump and his lawyers doing these kind of legal somersaults, that just hold no water with trump's allies. you can't convince■ç lindsey graham and mike lee that the election was stolen or that there was some fraud means what we found, a weakness in the case, not just a weakness but zero evidence. >> robert, there were so many near misses here. it want to look at this excerpt you have between a conversation between trz and vice president pence. he says, if these people say you have the power, wouldn't you want to do it, trump asks of pence. i■ç wouldn't want any one moder to have that authority. pence said, look, i've read this and i don't see a way to do it. it feels as if -- if we weren't sure the role mike pence played, but was he the lone bulwark here? >> the story of january 6th is not just that day. it's the days before, all the movement afoot in the oval

donald trump lost zero friends on 9/11. donald trump attended zero 9/11 funerals. zero. donald trump tried to steal the grief of all the families who lost someone on 9/11. he tried to steal the grief of all the thousands and thousands of people who lost loved ones and dear friends and coworkers on 9/11. donald trump tried to steal their grief so that he could exploit that grief as his own, in a political campaign debate. presidential historians for clues to the character of american president, future historians will find nothing that illuminate the depravity of donald trump more vividly than his lie that he lost hundreds of friends on 9/11. ally so vile that even donald trump is afraid to repeat. thanks for joining us this hour we got up early the book is called peril it is by washington post journalist barr rewarded and robert costa it bob word woodward and bob costa. we've obtained a copy tonight, evidence of speed-reading here, a rachel maddow specialty. this book has important news in it. what this book is about broadly speaking the peril it's describing in its title

with trump want to do. but is didi described in this new book is the action of a man who really genuinely is searching for a way, he can do what trump wants. in that conversation later we counted with dan quail, with bob woodward and robert costa raises the prospect that there were real problems in the vote count in arizona. as maybe that was enough of a pretext. to justify not certifying the entire election, and thereby setting the stage to throw to the house of representatives and republicans in the house to ensure that trump held on to power despite losing to joe biden. this new books makes clear that pence was far closer than we had previously realized to doing some version of what trump wanted him to do, and with more than half the entire republic caucus in the house, ultimately voting to reject the election results. mike pence was the guy who stopped that from happening. but it was close we were there. and the right has honestly made no progress in widening the distance from how close we were in the m

trump was sound asleep. he continues now i knew by now how much her sleep meant to her but i can't imagine being asleep at a time like that. maybe she thought someone would wake her up if trump won. so danielle, what else can you tell me about what was going on in the white house on election night according to her. emphasize from the excerpt you have. it's not that she heard this from somebody. she knocked on the door and opened the door and melania trump is asleep. >> yeah, it's quite the stirring scene. i didn't expect to be writing about melania's sleep schedule tonight. one other part of the book that i obtained is melania was sick and tired of the trump kids using the white house as their personal playground set and also, kind of as a hollywood set to perform and so that was kind of the scene on election night, as well, you know, there was all the trump kids, lots of advisors, huddling with president trump to kind of decide what to do next and you don't want -- you can't declare victory at 9:00 p.m. but

ogg, at donald trump's business. the importance of the story from the beginning was that nobody knew what that meant. nobody knew what this was. the headline of the story at slate was posed in the form of a question. was a trump server communicating with russia? was it? it was something weird. there was something unexplained and odd in the data. as a very basic matter, what the data showed, what the evidence appeared to show was just pings, communicative pings between the servers, the one at the russian bank in moscow and the one for the trump organization. nobody could see the content of the communications or even if there was any content or substantive communication at all. it was just you raw internet metadata showed these computers pinging each other. and 99.999999% of people wouldn't even know how to read that kind of data. but experts who do understand that kind of stuff saw it, sort of uncovered it in the wild and thought it was a strange finding. it was unusual. yes, it might be benign. it might be a glitch.

that donald trump posed. obviously trump was on first president to be accused of excessive use of the president's power. some of trump's predecessors characteristic excesses released alleged excesses such as unilateral uses of force and aggressive ways or unilateral extensions of the administrative power, these were not the kind of where is my boss is bush did, disregarding laws in the name of article to power presidential power, these are not trump's characteristic views. truce abuses i had to summarize them, were the following. he basically merged the institutional presidency, the office of the presidency the public office, with his personal interests in a way that had never been done by the president and in a way to basically cover the landscape in every form of corruption. just to give you some examples, these are examples remembering from the truck presidency, nondisclosing's taxes nondisclosing his finances, these are all things the presence had done going back to the 70s. in a really great his wife mix

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trump. >> it's such a good point and i know you share, mike, what trump did some of the most awful are out loud and on his own twitter feed. it's a stunning look and a lot of it happened in plain view, but it's still remarkable to read it in print. mike schmidt, general barry mccaffrey, steve schmidt, thank you all so much for starting us off today. >>> when we come back, voters in california have a few more hours to decide whether they keep their current governor or embrace the spread of trumpism in california seeping its way through the republican party there. what's at stake and how the two parties are swinging at each other with polls closing tonight. >>> plus saturday's justice for january 6th insurrectionist rally creating problems for those gop lawmakers who would like to pretend they know nothing about it but at the same time want to keep the president's fanatic base engaged. we'll look ahead to what's expected this weekend at the u.s. capitol. >>> later in the show, nicki minaj triggering a conversation on vaccine hesitancy and the disinformation that's fueling it. the backlas

trump is vicious. there's also reporting now that the former president is looking at trying to get a challenger to mitch mcconnell. he wants to get mitch mcconnell out of power. i can't imagine anybody being a real challenger. do you think there's real danger? >> well, again, he's creating a litmus test, you're either with me or against me. it doesn't matter. the question is, are you with me now? that's how cults function. that's how terrorists function. they spoke of a hostage situation that could have ended in bloodshed. we have not seen any real contrition from the party itself, from the republican party, to try to make amends in that post-january 6th period. i agree -- it is a perilous time. in fact the peril may never be greater. >> eugene robinson, donna edwards and fernand amani, thank you for joining us. >>> bob woodward and robert costa will maybe that he debut tonight. got to watch that. >>> trump organization is back in criminal court today, with claims that more indictments are coming. we'l

this is about exciting the trump base and the trump partisans to continue to give money to people that are pushing the audit in arizona. why on earth would we audit texas? as a democrat, i would concede texas. right? michael, as a republican, they won texas. we can set that aside. are we going to oklahoma and alaska next? we get it. >> maybe the question is, robert, why aren't you contesting texas? >> right. maybe i should. no, but all kidding aside, chris, i think it's clearly done to raise money, to increase this tension that donald trump needs to have exist. but look, the problem with this is that it undermines everything. right? there are people that are just beginning to pay attention to some of these audit processes or just learning about it and they're probably asking themselves, was there something wrong? why did it need to be audited. and so again, it's this slow drip, drip, drip that withers away the foundation of what otherwise should be the strongest, most robust democracy on the planet. >> on a parallel track, michael steele, there's the possibility of a government shutdow

the american people chose donald trump. my state voted for donald trump. i'm a senator from south carolina. john mccain was pretty good with working with people he didn't get along with. so i made a conscious decision after saying everything bad thing i could about trump during the 2016 campaign... you know, you know that i'm going to wheel out the quote which has been hung round your neck a million times, you called trump, you said, don't vote for this guy �*cause he's a race baiting xenophobic bigot. religious bigot. "he does not represent my party". and you know what my party told me? go to hell. he won. and so you abandoned your principles. no, i didn't abandon my principles. well, you thought the guy was a xenophobic bigot. i accepted the consequences of the election. in a democracy i can take my ball and go home but the people in south carolina chose president trump. the people of america chose president trump. i've tried to help him where i could. so it's ok to help a guy who you believe is a racist bigot through four years of presidency? yes. it'

the cross talking trump 2024. i'm joined by my guess jen kerns and new york sheets. host of all american radio, with jennifer kerns, also new york. we have david fisher. he is author of the book, the executive order, as well as the ghostwriter for donald trump. 2016 campaign book crippled america. and in west palm beach, we cross to gene allowed and she is like psychology expert. and a long time trump advisor her across soc, rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. david, let me go to you 1st here. let's start from the basics here. what is the identity of the republican party as we speak right now? and is donald trump a reflection of that party? go ahead david. well, i think it's a party in search of an identity. you know already here it's become known as call 45 where the, where so many millions of people sort of mindlessly follow whatever. trump says, you know, the question becomes, are there enough of those people just swing national election and we don't know th

about trump? >> well, newsom tried and democratic strategists think he succeeded in making this not just about him. when the recall got on the ballot, keep newsom or recall newsom. everyone is frustrated. everyone has a reason to take a stick to the pinata that's the powerful person that is your governor. newsom trump-fies it but going after elder. california is becoming more and more democratic. if this is just about newsom, some trouble. still overwhelming democratic numbers but erin, a little history here. again, i've been around a little longer. 20 years ago, i was covering politics back in those days. california republicans were 36% of the registration. now they're down to 24%. if gavin newsom makes this me versus trump, d versus r, there aren't enough republicans to recall him. >> right. it's math. john king, thank you. >>> now as i promised, we're getting the first results out of exit polls from california tonight where governor gavin newsom is waiting to see these results as they come in l

yeah, they'd ask them about trump. they'd ask them, you know, that they'd ask them if there's any resources we can exploit on their planet. and jeff bezos would ask when he can get a trip to where they're at it just be, it would be an interesting corresponded gram. i think they don't vs yet. why would they, why would i would stay, stay, stay clear. okay. you know, graham, you know, one of the things that, you know, they're, they've, there's all this talk about gain of function and all of this with the, with the, with the facts that with the ma coban. but, you know, you know, these phrases sometimes i think you can take advantage of because, you know, when i watch mainstream media it's, it's called gain of stupidity. this is what they're doing. it's gain of stupidity night after night after night. ok. and it is, i find it really, really exhausting. and i have to really temper myself. i have to watch just little bits of bit of time because it really can drive you insane. dana gave peyton, if you want to use it, take it d

look at this trump number right here. donald trump, 44% of the vote in orange county. for this recall to succeed statewide, the rule of thumb is this. the recall needs to be running about 16 points better in any given county than donald trump ran. that's how democratic the state is. that's the challenge for recall supporters. they have to convince democrats, they have to convince biden supporters to vote for this. in a place like orange county the number to look for here is 60, is the recall anywhere near 60%. if it were to hit 60%, if it were to go over 60% in a place like orange county it bodes well for the recall passing statewide. if it is significantly under 60%, it bodes terribly for the recall statewide. we will be tracking in every county when the votes start to come in in less than an hour from now. but the challenge, lawrence, democratic state, biden won it by nearly 30 poichbts. i think you can see on the screen right there. one of the questions asked in the exit poll today, do you approve or disapprove of joe biden's performance, biden has a 60% approval ra

he wanted to accommodate trump. he had been subservient to trump. and so he was -- he was looking for an out. and if he had -- it's -- in the end, he followed the law and the constitution. but if he had gone out there and said, you know, i'm confused, i can't decide and walked off, we would have had a constitutional crisis because who's president? what about the legitimacy of the presidency? and he did not do that, but if you look at what we found, which is charted in great detail in the book, he wanted to see, oh is there some way to do it? and in the end, i think under the influence of his advise ors, his staff, his lawyers who were telling him, you know, you just can't. that's not the law. that's not the constitution. yamiche: your last words in this book, they say, the peril remains. explain that. explain the danger that remains. >> well, he's out there. he's got this support. and the questionou have to ask is, people likeenator graham, senator mike lee of utah have bailed on him because they investigateed the claims of the stolen election and f

it's passion for trump. the numbers, as you point out are astounding, what we discovered in the reporting on the book is that two of the trump loyalists, lindsey graham, senator mike lee from utah, conservative, very devoted to trump, investigated these claims through memos that rudy giuliani and white house lawyer named john eastman gave them, and it was the kind of investigation almost predisposed, oh, okay, there's going to be supporting evidence here. they found the absolute opposite. zero. nothing. and both went, both senators graham and mike lee went on the floor of the senate and said no, nothing. and walked away. so what does that mean? i mean, i think if you're -- you really want to look at the facts as we tried to do here, and you -- if you like trump or don't like trump, read what his allies concluded that this stolen election claim is untrue. >> but do you see this as an assault on democracy by trump and his supporters? >> well, you know, we're just -- people will judge it. what is stunning is, a

trump's business. as to the question of whether there is going to be more coming from prosecutors in this case, well, that same defense counsel who held up the envelope today and said these key tax documents were just recovered from co-conspirators' basements, the same counsel also told the judge today, quote, we have strong reason to believe there could be other indictments coming. we don't know why mr. weisselberg's attorney thinks that or who those might apply to. new york prosecutors have reportedly been investigating other senior trump organization executives, but who knows. whatever is going on right now, the former president appears to be quite upset about it, firing off an incoherent statement this weekend, attacking the manhattan district attorney by name and the new york attorney general by name, going after one of the district attorney's lawyers by name. objecting to how many documents from his company they have examined. saying the american people will not stand for this. i think they will.

trump's business. as to the question of whether there is going to be more coming from prosecutors in this case, the same defense counsel who held up the envelope today and said these key tax documents were just recovered from co-conspirators' basements the same counsel also told the judge today quote we have strong reason to believe there could be other indictments coming. we don't know why mr. weisselberg's attorney thinks that or who those might apply to. new york prosecutors have reportedly been investigating other senior trump organization executives but who knows? whatever is going on right now the former president appears to be quite upset about it firing off an incoherent statement this weekend attacking the manhattan district attorney by name and the new york attorney general by name, going after one of the district attorney's lawyers by name. objecting to how many documents from his company they have examined. saying the american people will not stand for this. i think they will. we'll see. jo

what you saw there was one trump's super fan speaking to another former trump adviser steve bannon. the activist speaking is matt braner. they're not. some of them may be the case and they have every right to go to court. in the name with the evidence we all documented and lived through, you know this party. you don't need the news for this. we saw the criminals doing their crimes on live tv. we saw the framework of right-wing violence exposed as more and more elected republicans come out publicly all year minimizing and defending what we know they could not believe in. it has been an ugly and revealing scene. so, why is this top story in the nation tonight? number one it is critical to be vigilant about any future plots and threats. it is also important to track accountability for the insurrection. so-called qanon shaming pleading guilty tomorrow. that's a type of justice to the ongoing work of the committee probing this insurrection. speaker pelosi's hand pick committee chair, a vice chair of that effort and even some of her own republican colleagues seemed rattle over these new s

we better worry about trump. and so he calls in the colonels and one-star generals and admirals into his office from the war room in the pentagon -- >> stephen: people in the nuclear chain of command. >> yes. and not just nuclear, but any military action. and he says, "all right, we have these procedures. don't take a call from the president without me being involved. do you understand that?" and he goes around the the room. "got it?" "yes, sir." "got it? got it? got it?" "yes, sir." he's not seizing power. he's putting in precautions to make sure if terrorism's going to blow up the world, or do something that's against american interest or in fact against trump's interest, he's going to at least be there at theitably saying, "no!" >> stephen: one of the things that is striking to me about the last four years, as much as the former president wanted to be a strongman, what do you think those four years and the two books that you wrote, and the book that you and robert wrote together-- robert, i'll start with you--

it's going to be donald trump's party and it's going to be whoever donald trump decided to bring along with him. and i'll say this because people like to call trump supporters. my list that is as long as donald trump states about a stays true to the values that got him where he is. and the reason there was so much tumult once he was elected is because he came in and shut things up and did it to them. the way, the sort of almost one party system that we've seen over the last couple of decades emerge where democrats and republicans were practically indistinguishable. what problem is they're not interested, real republicans are not interested in having that kind of leader represent them. they want leaders that are out there, you know, setting it on fire like, you know, saying things that, that bring us together. thing, things that dismantle the swamp. those are the kind of things donald trump did, and others like matt gates, others like crime to santa and that you can, you can honestly tell who the most successful, most beloved. and the most feared republicans are by looking at who the de

the bell tolls for trump here. and i think what this is a clear testament to is the thing that we've all been paying attention to over the past few months is this committee is really serious. they are serious. they've learned lessons, but they're also by every indication not going to take no for an answer. and they are coming for donald trump. >> yeah, norm, it does seem that they have learned lessons. you've seen and covered all the major congressional investigations of our time, and this one comes after all of those. they are starting at the top. they are starting just one layer down from donald trump himself, and clearly targeting donald trump. sometimes these investigations begin with a set of subpoenas where you say, well, i wonder where that's going. i wonder what the angle is they're going for there. it's extremely clear where this investigation is aimed. >> it absolutely is. and i will mention the one person we haven't yet talked about, which is kash patel. remember we had top defense officials including th

trump 2024. i'm joined by my guess, jen kerns and new york. she's host of all american radio with jennifer kerns, also new york. we have david fisher, he is author of the book, the executive order, as well as the ghostwriter for donald trump. 2016 campaign book crippled america. and in west palm beach, we cross to gina loud, and she is like psychology expert and a long time trump advisor. hi cross up rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. david, let me go to you 1st here. let's start from the basics here. what is the identity of the republican party as we speak right now? and is donald trump a reflection of that party? go ahead david. well, i think it's a party in search of an identity. you know, already here it's become known as call 45 where the, where, so many millions of people sort of mindlessly follow whatever. trump says of, you know, the question becomes, are there enough of those people just swing national election and we don't know the

trump is about. the people who want to defend him are those that defend him from that consensus. >> one of the things i love about adam is he has great clarity really that is the job i don't want to get you into too much trouble but you have philosophies about how to write. we have talked about this in terms of activist in the language that is very different but it's never the case of the audience but talk about your philosophy of writing and what you are trying to do. >> i would say the past five years in particular there is black reconstruction in america by w eb devoid and he says at the time he is writing the mainstream historical consensus is that reconstruction was tragic and corrupt and negro tyranny a mistake to enfranchise black man and therefore the jim crow system is a moral and justified to that foolish experiment and he writes in his book is that people like people think they are people that they are just as capable and talented and flawed as other human beings. if you do not believe thi

we sell these conditions under trump, and there were health incidents. this is a humanitarian crisis right now for president biden. it will be interesting to see, this is a president that has kept in one of the more restrictive trump border policies of trump's time, title 42, public health authority to turn away migrants. it will be interesting to see whether or not and who gets to say -- stay, who gets processed and released into the u.s. yamiche: kelsey, he is talking about the crisis at the border, but there are mounting crises on the democrat agenda. where do you think this is going in terms of the way democrats are going to prioritize, what they have to do, especially when you have senators -- i was talking to senators who seemed pretty angry at these two. the anger was palpable. kelsey: certainly. immigration plays into this because they are trying to do some measure of immigration as part of a broader reconciliation package. the more that immigration is a headline, the less likely democrats are going to rally votes for that. they may get a gift fr

they fought through violence to keep donald trump in power. the u.s. house committee that is investigating that attack has tonight just issued some very provocative subpoenas to four very high-profile senior trump administration officials. now, this has evolved over the course of the day in an interesting way as well. we learned at the start of the day today reporting at positive lit -- politico.com was accelerating. "politico" was the first to report that the records foundation had started to produce records to the committee from the trump white house about events leading up to and including the attack on january 6. now, they keep white house records there. the custodians of those records, they're the ones that receive requests from the committee to produce those records, and what they do when it comes to a former president, they have to give a former president the chance to object to the release of those documents. they've done so. the first stack of those white house documents that have been requested from the january 6 investigation, the first stac

trump made it into the rule. so, these were all what i would call, what bob and i would call serious abuses of power. amazingly, they're not necessarily illegal. some of these things might have been illegal, it's not clear, but most of these abuses of power and most of trump's other abuses of power were for various reasons not law-- and norm vie violative. norms are behaviors for presidents that aren't enforceable by law. there don't have a legal penalty. you can't enforce them in court. theres a no potential prosecution. these are rules of expected behavior that presidents who act like presidents are expected to do. and these norms for the most part grew up naturally and after the '70s, they grew up self-consciously and presidents have complied with conflict of interest rules and independence rules of the justice department and the like. trump blew through all of these norms and exposed all of these norms as basically useless in constraining the president. he was indifferent to these norms which is vitally impor

it's going to be donald trump's party and it's going to be whoever donald trump decides to bring along with them. and i'll say this because people like to call, trump supporters mindless. that is as long as donald trump states about the stays, true to the values that got him where he is. and the reason there was so much tumult once he was elected is because he came in and shut things up and did it to them. the way, the sort of almost one party system that we've seen over the last couple of decades emerge where democrats and republicans were practically indistinguishable, which i think is they're not interested, real republicans are not interested in having that kind of leader represent them. they want leaders that are out there, you know, setting it on fire like, you know, saying things that, that bring us together think things that dismantle the swamp. those are the kind of things donald trump did, and others like matt gates, others like crime to santa and that's you can, you can honestly tell who the most successful, most beloved. and the most feared republicans are by looking at who

is there a way to help trump? and i just want to show you, he asked dan quayle over and over again, is there anything i can do? and dan quayle shuts him down. "mike, you have no flexibility on this, none, zero, forget it." pence says, "he really thinks i can. there are other guys in there saying i've got the power." quayle interrupts him, stop it. pence presses him again. he says, mike, don't even talk about it. pence: you don't know the position i'm in. quay quayle: i do know the position you're in. you have no power in this. just forget it >> wow. pence is really looking for an out and quayle isn't giving it to him. >> he's practicing for the vote of the senate parliamentarian. he says, can i make a sympathetic comment during this about trump? and she says, basically, no. she's very curt. stick to the script. count the votes. >> dan quayle, who would have known. not great a spelling, but very good at reading the law. and maybe that's really what matters, right? >> basic constitution, it turns out. jamie, stick a

i think it's trump acting as donald trump. that vignette you talked about harkens back to miss universe, he would walking into the dressing room to see all of the women getting dressed. it harkens back to him raiding women, giving them a rank of she's a ten, she's an eight, she's a six, so, you know, it's very typical of donald trump, and again, it just goes back to remind us what a horrible, disgusting, lecherous man was elected president of the united states. >> i do feel the need to read his statement on her book, which is too bad that sleazebag publishers continue to report this very boring garbage. we in the maga movement are totally used to it, and some day in the not too distant future, we will have our voice back and be treated fairly by the press. the statement by donald trump. about that, just one last thing before we move on. about the rape accusation from e. jean carol. he told her, donald trump told her just deny it, he didn't do it, he looked at her in the face, just deny it. that was his strategy. and before i l

state, calling donald trump a moron after trump left a meeting at the pentagon. page 1:27. msnbc to stephen, correctly reported as effing moran at the time the story broke in 2017. the peril described in the woodward and cost a book, is actually a range of pearls. from donald trump's ordering the launch, possibly ordering the launch of new color missing. to donald trump nuking the -- those were the perils that we were facing. there has been much news coverage of the precautions the german of the joint chief of staff, general mark milley took to prevent donald trump from being able to launch neutral or attack on china, as part of a coup attempt for donald trump to hold on to the presidency after he lost the election in november. we will discuss that in a moment with bob woodward and robert costa. the book does not tell us what might have gone through donald trump's mind about launching a new color attack. or possibly launching a new color. tech but it is filled with details. about what went through donald trump's mind, and what came out of his mouth about his atta

trump is. mr. trump s to decide, first of all, if he's going to run. if he's not going to run, he can be on the sidelines, bombarding those in the arena with tweets. but those in the arena will find their own voices and their own room for maneuvering. i do not think there is a precedent in american history, and i don't think there's about to be one, where a former and defeated president exercises ongoing control over the party. history will pass him by. >> history may pass him by, but there is every indication that he is going to run again in 2024, which would suggest that his influence is far from over. what will happen to the republican party if he runs again? >> i really doubt your assumption that donald trump is going to run again. i don't think his ego could stand a second defeat. and i think a second defeat -- >> well, how could his ego stand a first defeat? remember, he didn't -- he doesn't actually believe that he was defeated. >> oh, i forgot that part. yes, i forgot that biden's not really president. but i thk, even to donald trump, there is

the peril of trump. america's top general two days after the january 6th capitol insurrection so worried about the then president's angry and erratic behavior, he called a secret meeting with top deputies including the chain of command for the country's nuclear arsenal. general mark milley's message at that meeting? no one was so act on any orders for military strikes, even from the president unless milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs was personally involved in the signoff as called for by pentagon protocols. details of the top secret pentagon meeting among many of the startling revelations about the final days of trump in "peril", a book. our cnn special correspondent obtained an early copy of the book. >> john, woodward and costa, as you say, report that general mark milley took top secret action to limit president trump's ability to make a military strike or to use nuclear weapons. let me just set the stage from the book. according to woodward and costa, milley is deeply shaken from the assault o