but the elevation of these groups was donald trump and donald trump and donald trump. and now the endurance of donald trump's desire to have the white supremacist groups that christopher wray bravely tried to warn people about, march before the election. testified to it again before the election about these groups and again this year since joe biden has been in office. my question is so the committee has now focused in on the state actors. the government people they're interested in. they have focused on the campaign folks they think were involved or might have information. they are focused on the money. they take the subpoena to the folks who move money to the 501 c 4. they focused on the social media advice. on women for trump. on the white supremacists. are the lawmakers next, luke? >> you know, that's a good question because there's a lot of reluctance among members of congress to hold each other accountable. and you know, the members in this committee has said openly that they will stop at nothing. they will subpoena donald trump. they will subpoena members of con

look, none of us miss donald trump. but donald trump knew how to be a salesperson. he knew how to tout it. he knew the need for the pageantry and repetition. and i think the biden administration needs to understand that as well. >> i mean, donald trump ran down the country led to unnecessary deaths and covid. i think there are better examples on the message side but i take your point. robert gibbs i want to be constructive and i want to come to you, congressman maloney wanted this exact version of president joe biden out there articulating both that i feel your pain and that help is on the way or i have your back. and i understand this is the first of many events this white house plans. but i wonder if we can be constructive and prescriptive here. what is your advice for strengthening and sharpening this message? >> well, look, i think to some degree they are going to have to do this a bunch of times. and they are going to have to pick individual instances. today the port. again, i don't think that was by coincidence. but picking each individual aspect of this. the

they have subpoenaed the trump 2020 campaign manager, trump national security adviser mike flynn, trump campaign communications chief jason miller. the disgraced former new york city police commissioner, x comp it, we richard kerry. john eastman who's the lawyer who devised the reason trump cemented supporters to

this was trump's vaccine. it wasn't biden's vaccine. it was trump's vaccine. and the notion that it has become politicized -- i mean, honestly, if donald trump thinks he's running for president again, i have got news for him. if he thinks the way to win is by not coming out and saying i took the vaccine because i don't want to die, you should take the vaccine so you don't kill someone else -- i have a hard time believing he's ever going to get back those suburban women that he lost to joe biden. >> michael shearer, have anyone in the administration making any of the arguments that claire mccaskill just did so effectively? >> look, they are trying to be careful about it. but i think they largely agree. i mean, i -- the doubling and tripling down on vaccines as the -- the tool, the primary tool, that's going to get us out of the mess. and i think they -- privately, if not publicly -- are scratching their heads, too, why the republicans would take the approach that they are taking given, as you laid out the way in which the vaccine helps everybody. it isn't -- it

look there are people loyal to trump or trump's remaining power. but if they had been abusive, terrible horrible bosses to people is there likely there will be people who want to turn on bannon and put the screws on him? is that something that the d.o.j. has access to? >> i have been on a lot of tv with both of you guys, i don't think i have ever disagreed with you. but i have got to disagree with both of you. jason, the idea that bannon is like the emperor in sfwarz or like dollar bill in billions -- those people are competent in what they do. they know -- they actually get evil done. bannon is a joke. he's kind of like trump. he has the anti-midas touch, everything he touches turns into -- you know what the word is. so, absolutely, jason, i think, like, the most important point here is that if you are trump or if you are frankly anyone else in january 6th, you have got to worry that bannon could turn against you. this is not a guy known for his loyalty. so it's always about what's in it for himself. there is no, like, underlying principle as curt

aligned himself with trump. he went back to south jersey, got himself reelected this is also his neck of the woods. >> you can't see russia, but you can see delaware from the southern tip of the state. steve kornacki. thank you and thank you for your ongoing knowledge of all 50 states. we are going to prepare to take a break at the top of the hour. well we thank our guest robert gibbs and tim miller and we thank all of our guests, for their patients being on standby all evening long. that's youngkin campaign headquarters, they are hearing from various folks, leading up to the big moment tonight, which is going to be, the first words from glenn youngkin, who is at least projected by this network, to be the governor elect of the commonwealth of virginia. at the top of the, hour our live special coverage continues. that race, done and dusted. the big question mark. new jersey. they have yet to awarded democratic incumbent, with a second term. over the last 44 years, can governor phil murphy become the lucky one who

trump-labeled property. >>> that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. ♪♪ >>> and good evening once again. day 300 of the biden administration. one-time trump campaign manager, white house strategist and maga megaphone steve bannon surrendered to the fbi today, days after being in contempt of criminal charges for defying a subpoena from the january 6 committee. he livestreamed his arrival. >> i want you guys to folk on us the message. this is all noise, that's signal. >> this is bannon's first court appearance. in this case he did not enter a plea for the two misdemeanor counts of attempt by congress. that's expected thursday when he will appear before another federal judge. bannon was released without bail but had to surrender his passport and must check in weekly with court officials. after today's hearing, he and his lawyer david showen, who represented trump, you'll recall, in the second impeachment trial, went on the attack. >> this is going to be the misdemeanor from hell for merrick garland, nanc

trump was at it. and normally when you go to these rallies you get more traditional republicans who might roll their eyes at some of the qanon theories or get frustrated when you push them on the things that the people networks to them are literally wearing on their shirts. this last rally everyone had something on their shirt that we had to blur. our editor practically went blind the amount of time he spent blurring swear words or derogatory comments toward kamala harris. so what i started to see was that the majority of these people here were buying into the fun of these rallies but more so the conspiracy side of it all. i think once you buy in to the quote unquote big lie and you don't believe the results of the election then you're looking for what's next. what i started to see was that january 6th didn't happen or happened but it was because of the cia or it happened and it was partially because of the fbi or january 6th isn't even a date on the calendar. like once you cross the threshold of real

trump knew he was the one person willing to do anything trump wanted. mcentee and his enforcers made the disastrous last weeks of the trump presidency possible. they backed the president's manic drive to overturn the election and helped set the stage for the january 6th assault on the capitol. just days before january 6th, mcentee sent pence's office an absurd memo making the case that pence would be following thomas jefferson's example if he used his power to declare trump the winner of the 2020 election. carol, i know he came up in your travels, your research along with phil for your first and second books. tell us more about this young man who is about to be better known. >> mcentee was indeed a university of connecticut football player. he had also an amazing ability to win in electronic gambling, which got him into trouble with the national security clearances early in the administration. he rose like a meteor in the trump white house because he had the quality that donald trump values more than anything else, which is, you know, basically blind lo

and of course trump himself. north carolina congressman madison cawthorn and colorado congressman lauren boebert questioning their loyalty to their party, going as far as calling their colleagues democrats posing as republicans. marjorie taylor greene calling them traitors again, because we can't stress this enough, for helping pass legislation that will benefit all americans. what we see playing out is gop blood letting. as aaron black from "the washington post" puts it, the bill included lots of popular projects and in another era, probably would have gotten significantly more gop votes. we live in this era, in which delivering a political win for the other side, however popular the bill and however much your constituents might want it, is seen as -- my panel is back with us. this happens in other parties b this seems to be to be particularly ugly. >> absolutely. i think it definitely is considering that house minority leader kevin mccarthy had whipped against the bill last week and confidently predicted almost

trump white house records. u.s. judge tanya chuck is denying trump's request to block access to those documents. judge decided an earlier court ruling on subpoenas writing that the president is not king and added, the plaintiff's not president. national archives, as you know, is set to turn over the first batch of trump's records to this house select committee investigating the insurrection, riding at the capitol. they are expected to do that by this friday. they are almost by definition, all things that trump doesn't want the committee to see. trump has filed an appeal tonight to the d.c. circuit court, that didn't take long. this case is likely to end up at the supreme court. today, the house committee issued even more subpoenas to trump allies. this latest round of requests for documents and testimonies comes just a day after they targeted six other trump allies. today subpoenas went up to ten former trump administration officials including some of the most prominent members of his inner circle. former press secr

for committing fraud by fleecing trump supporters, for profiting on trump supporters. in a fraudulent scheme regarding the wall. somehow, he managed to get a pardon on january 20th, trump's final hours in office, clearly, he was willing to do anything he could do, to please that man. because it was the difference between going to jail or not going to jail. >> john, in your reporting, do you pick up either hints or whispers or direct comment, that fears among democrats, that the democrats in the leadership, aren't up to this? they aren't up to the kind of menu before them. the consequences that especially their base wants to see? >> i think there's a lot of second guessing there, i have to tell, you my sense brian is that the january six committee, is very serious, very organized, very determined, and they'll be a lot of second guessing, because you are not going to hear a lot from them in the coming months. they are plotting and planning, and deeply researching, a case that they will present next summer. that's what matters, it doesn't matter what's going to happen bet

it's a blow to donald trump. meadows apparently shook after steve bannon got indicted for defying the congressional probe and chairman thompson here on the january 6th committee says meadows has produced records and will appear for an initial deposition. bannon has a very different fate. he is fighting the federal government. he could go to jail. the committee also looking at potentially pressuring or punishing doj official jeffrey clark who may go to bannon route. let's go to democrat strategist and analyst juanita toliver. it appears that he would rather try his hand at a tough deposition than take any risk of going to trial and jail. >> it sounds like meadows thought to himself, how can i toe the line to stay out of jail, stay out of criminal contempt charges like bannon, but also toe the line of making sure i don't betray donald trump. that's why he was clear in saying i'll volunteer information via my attorney, but i'm still maintaining something that resembles this claim of executive privilege that we know

an acolyte of donald trump. >> we don't want trump. we don't want youngkin. >> he won't allow donald trump to campaign for him in this state. >> would you rally with donald trump? >> he's not coming. >> what's he trying to hide? is he embarrassed? >> alex. >> yeah. it's a really awkward position that glenn youngkin is in, given the fact he wants to pull trump supporters into his voting public, but he doesn't actually want donald trump to come to the commonwealth of virginia. look, i mean, ari, the fact of the matter is terry mcauliffe has played the trump card repeatedly on the campaign trail. we have all seen him do it. the question is whether virginia voters believe him. we know glenn youngkin's message on education is resonating. it's something that has brought large crowds to his speeches and campaign events. if you look at the exit polls, education is the number two issue. that is not usually what's happening. and youngkin has found a device that i think you will surely see in use in 2022, which is using schools as a locust for a

trump on that subject. in an interview today, trump defended the lynch mob that was rooting for pence's murder and he says it was common sense for them to threaten the life of the vice president. so in other words, trump is still very much on brand. take a listen. >> were you worried about him during that siege? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i heard he was in good shape. no. because i had heard he was in very good shape, but, but no -- >> those chants were terrible. >> he could have -- the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> because it's common sense, it's common sense jon, that you're supposed to protect -- if you know a vote is fraudfraudul how can you pass a fraudulent vote to congress? >> coo coo, his remarks come from a march interview with jonathan karl of abc news for the upcoming book "betrayal the final act of the trump show" and with those words trump is signaling to his base that violence, even murder is justified in the name of the big lie. now, we should

time, he was selling trump. he continues to do the governor earning. you have the infrastructure and jobs push. a plan to expand the social safety net, paid family leave, pre-k, affordable housing and a big vote coming in the congress about all of that against the backdrop of these attacks in democracy and questions about our justice system. we want to get into all of this and we have a powerful guest to do that. senator durbin is here. we're back in just 60 seconds. se we're back in just 60 seconds. so you can go from saving... to living. ♪♪ hi mr. charles. we made you dinner. aww, thank you. ♪♪ feel stuck with student loan debt? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right. (phone chimes) ♪ ♪ ♪ i jump up on the stage ♪ ♪ and do my money dance ♪ ♪ i throw some money up ♪ ♪ and watch the money land ♪ ♪ i do my, i do my i do my money dance ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi - you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $500 bonus when you refi... and get yo

the other trump allies subpoenaed include trump's current spokesman taylor broadowich and trump supporters dustin stockton and jennifer lawrence, no relation. >> taylor budowich reportedly slised a 501c-3 organization to conduct the radio and social media advertising campaign to get attendance at the meeting. ms. lawrence and mr. stockton helped organize a series of rallies in november and afterwards, and we want to know more about what they were doing and who was paying for that. >> stockton and lawrence released a statement saying they weren't surprised by these subpoenas and added this. "we are concerned that the timing during the week of thanksgiving, while most normal business is closed, is further demonstration that this committee is not acting in good faith." meanwhile, new video was just released today by the department of justice. it shows the rioters breaching a loading dock at the capitol during the siege. images show police trying to use that corrugated steel garage door to keep the surge of protesters out. police, however, were quickly overwhelmed, and the rioters streamed in

it's bigger than donald trump, what we've seen tonight, when trump isn't on the ballot, the trumpism policies are still playing. the voters for the republican base are still turning out and participating. they are not adequately defined by the democratic party. that's something that we need to change if we have any hope in reversing the trend and being successful in the 2020 midterms. one of the things we have seen, all of the people who prognosticate about what this means for coming elections, let's just remember, a year ago, the conversation was incredibly different as it's seen tonight. nobody sitting here today can tell you with any certainty, what the heck we're talking about, a year from now, that san opportunity for the democrats to get engaged, change their tactics, become aggressive and start defining the republican party for what it is. >> christichristina, the exit p indicate that a plurality, almost 20% of voters said this had nothing to do with joe biden or the politics. the economy turns out to be the big issue for voters. education strangely was the second thing that t

>>> donald trump faces open criminal probes. "the washington post" reports the rnc is covering his legal fees for criminal probes in new york. he's a personal legal fees. trump's political operation raised over $100 million. he would seem to have the money but just doesn't want to spend it and now is asking a party faithful to put aside money that would go towards electing republicans to just keep him and his team out of jail in new york. an update on that as promised. that does it for us. "the reidout" starts now. hi, joy. >> isn't that interesting? the billionaire isn't paying -- that is interesting. i'm sure you'll do more of that on the show. thank you. >> good to see you. >> have a wonderful evening. >>> we begin "the reidout" with the news for the select committee on january 6th. for the second time in two days they issued new subpoenas that and the bach targets right wing militias on the insurrection including the proud boys and oath keepers and their respective leaders enrique and elmer stewart rose. a third organization

she's investigated donald trump, the trump organization. she's filed numerous lawsuits to sort of uphold fundamental rights and basic freedoms against the trump administration, and she filed a lawsuit to dissolve the nra for misusing its charity. so, the reach and the authority of the new york attorney general goes, obviously, it's quite broad in new york but goes beyond that. and as we were just talking about the january 6th insurrection, and the fact that someone like steve bannon can just completely ignore a congressional subpoena, and then become a martyr to a number of -- to millions of people who, i guess, are supporting the concept of just no rule of law in this country, and the idea that donald trump has kicked off a trumpist approach where the truth isn't truth, facts aren't facts, and democracy is dead, really just got to me, and i felt like i, having been on the front lines with impeachment, having been on the front lines trying cases and prosecuting cases as a prosecutor, it felt like it was a calling and a time for me to get ba

trump attacks pence. i think his evacuation by secret service from the office where he was waiting to certify the vote takes place around that time. the early afternoon eastman e-mails pence's counsel. and then this e-mail you're talking about at 9:00 p.m., the eastman e-mail to pence's counsel urging that pence not certify the results then. what's amazing is that by 9:00 p.m. it was clear how much danger the whole pence family was in. has eastman said anything since seeing with his own eyes how harrowing the pence family escape was from where they were in the capitol, phil? >> you know, i don't believe that eastman has commented on the pences' jeopardy or sort of the emotions, the dangers of that day. if he has, i just haven't seen it. but it's worth pointing out that eastman has confirmed to our colleagues in the process of investigating this piece the details of those e-mails that you just mentioned, the early afternoon one and then the 9:00 p.m. one. so he's owned up to that. but i have not heard any

more than $7 million were raised by trump allies, $7 million raised by trump allies. they can make money off this here and they just did. they still weren't able to prove that donald trump actually won the election here, but yet, at the same time, they have support within this republican party and it could very well win kari lake the nomination to be the next governor of this state. >> yeah, i mean, and the how bad was this loss in arizona? it was so bad the cyber ninjas couldn't make him win. it is an unbelievable state of affairs and a fantastic, fantastic piece of reporting. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you so much for joining us, my friend. >>> when we come back, the latest attempt by republicans to tarnish president joe biden loses its punch considering their leader is the same guy who kept repeating person, woman, man, camera, tv, tamale over and over again in a sad yet tragic attempt to demonstrate his mental competence. that reporting's next. mental competence. that reporting's next. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi

donald trump is the big fish. donald trump is the one who appears to have incited the insurrection. he absolutely has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination and that trumps, sorry, the subpoena power. all you have to do is invoke the fifth and the subpoena goes away. i think it would be a fruitless exercise. >> is there an appetite to subpoena trump? any talk of this? >> that's a great question. my reporting doesn't indicate that, but i'm sure yasmin, we can talk to some colleagues and figure that out. i think there's a political will. the fact they are going after bannon for refusing to comply. they want to have symbolic impact here with that. so i think subpoenaing former president trump would be symbolic and there's video of him day of, there certainly are questions to ask him. he was there up on a pulpit making a speech in the hours before this mob that you were right there in the heart of, stormed the capitol. there's certainly very good questions to ask. >> anna schechter, hays brown, i'll see you later on in the show so thanks for sticking with us. for more on thi

for then president trump, it was certainly a big problem. americans did not approve of donald trump's approach to covid, whether it was talking about taking clorox or denialism or falsely comparing it to the flu or warm weather would drive it out, you see right here if you want to actually look at data instead of, you know, just virginia punditry, that the data shows this was an issue for donald trump throughout with americans disapproving overwhelmingly of his handling, especially going into key points like the election. then joe biden won and came into office with a lot of optimism about turning the page on trumpism in general, on racism and bigotry as well as covid. the vaccines began to roll out and many experts said it was only a matter of time that america would largely be in the clear. you remember the talk about the hot vax summer. it might be easy to forget now, but many were so convinced we heard experts tout specific timelines to end all of this, including cities like new york holding an official reopening concert. >> getting back

are they now able to have their trump and eat it too. does this say more about their reaction to the economic reality of this moment? why is that number so high? >> well, look, part of it is just that traditionally, in a midterm, after a new president comes into office, the opposing party makes gains. now, in this case, i think republicans and democrats are bracing for a wave election, where republicans will make a lot of ground up that they've lost in recent elections. the preview of that was these gubernatorial elections in new jersey and virginia. but also that poll number tells us that americans are feeling a cocktail of real-world and global events. inflation, supply chain issues, and really, covid fatigue. and those are that i think so a lot of americans and a lot of voters feel that president biden hasn't addressed fully yet. so i would not chock this up to anything -- any one thing, but sort of, a combination of factors right now. >> right, the most honest and unsatisfying answer. tyler, senate majority leader chuck schumer said

"at the request of trump." they know what trump wanted these events on january 5th and january 6th to look like, including the speakers. >> yeah. no, that's exactly right, nicole. first of all, these are bad people. alex jones, roger stone. these are bad people. roger stone was headed to jail. alex jones, we know the grief he's caused families related to the sandy hook shooting. these are really bad people that donald trump involved in this rally. i think to the question of, what is the committee seeking with this moment? and i agree with congresswoman dean, you know, we're not on the committee. there's no way to actually know, but there is an important question here, and it is this. what was the coordination that would move this event from a rally on the 6th to the march on the capitol? the march on the capitol must have been pre-planned. it was not instantaneous. it was not just, we're going to have this rally on the 6th and people can go peacefully petition their members of congress in the senate. clearly, t

oh, trump's at arm's length, there's trump. and the second big lie is his -- i watched his rally last saturday. his campaign promise, and he was makinging this promise in loudoun and in alexandria, is on day one, i'm going to ban critical race theory. that is like us banning the ghosts. there are no ghosts. so we can say, you know what, 7:00 p.m., we're banning the ghosts. there are no ghosts. there isn't critical race theory, but he's laundered trump's really sort of disgusting, flagrant outracism, he's wrapped it in education and given it a lie as a label and he said he's going to ban it. there is no critical race theory. it's a legal theory not taught in virginia public school. >> it's so powerful. because it takes the exhausted voter who wants to vote on what is fundamentally a racist idea, right? that you cannot teach the truth about thomas jefferson. if you even talk about enslavement, that's critical race theory. anything that makes a white parent uncomfortable is critical race theory. and he's been very subtle and very

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you know donald trump well enough. you covered him long enough to know he would never say in advance take away all the drama and announce 12 days in advance he wasn't coming, unless he knew he was about to be disinvited. the reason mcconnell was disinviting him is very revealing. he believed that trump would have one more chance to disrupt the transition of power. >> it's so interesting to see mccarthy as an outlier from the other leaders and your reporting, i mean, a lot of the time my jaw was on the table. but this section, i want you to do the story-telling about why mccarthy maintains his loyalty to trump. that he saw people who stood up for the country and tried to stand up for the truth as losers, he will never been honored with statues on the mall. talk about that reporting. >> i recounted when mccarthy saw him on the mall january 2nd the day of the raffensberger call in washington. he was out for a walk. i was out. i took a walk almost the entire length of the mall. mccarthy has not announced what he was going

the suburbs which trump lost and specifically, he won suburban white women in the suburbs which trump had done much better with, and that represented also a 12-point switch. and a lot of republican governors around the country with the recent republican governor's association meaning it was so glad because a lot of the governors are in blue states who needed a model to show that there is a model to beat donald trump and to win and the blue state and glen youngkin. >> so here's the problem and it's a problem joe walsh points out a lot and no real civil war in the republican party. the republican party and the apparatus are trump supporters who support the stop the steal stuff, who empower these candidates including this woman that we're talking about in virginia. do republicans not need to make a clean break of that. you say that trump was an aberration and that group of people control the republican party including the caucus in the house. >> let me be clear. the aberration is an ideological aberration and it's not a loyalty adherence to the party or to trump and my contention has alw

of donald trump. >> we don't want trump, we don't want youngkin. >> he won't allow donald trump to campaign for him in this state. state. what's he trying to hide? is he embarrassed? >> observers know he's trying to hide the elephant in the room. even boycotting a so-called telerally that trump himself is trying to hold tonight. now candidates in the gop and more deep red states would jump at any appearance on trump online. also the candidate following up a claim last night that he hasn't talked to trump by now saying, well, the teams are talking surely, and digging into maga cultural attacks on critical race theory and going through the cul-de-sac of talk about banning books. please. now these stunts may appeal to some of the maga turnout crowd in this off-election year. but we do know it's not where most of the state of virginia is. obama first turned that state blue back in 2008 winning by six points. and it only got worse for republicans under trump. to paraphrase the late-great nipsey hussle, democrats feel like the last time that they checked, they won by ten points, no sweat. and the

he's also been called the french donald trump. he's a comparison he seems to savor as he plans to run for france's president next year. >> translator: i was very impressed by trump in 2016. i appreciated the technique that donald trump had with the media. do not step rhetoric the media imposes. >> reporter: he's never won an election nor held public office. instead he made his mark as a television pundit, railing each night against france's woke political elites, the immigrants he says are destroying french civilization, and recalling a time when france was great and how it could be made great again. >> he doesn't turn around the words. he says the words. that can be shocking because we're not used to that. in our time where everything has to be nice and cool and not -- not bullying anybody. >> reporter: the rhetoric seems to be working. his show is watched by millions. his books are best sellers. and he's surging in the polls before he's even declared his candidacy. this might look like a campaign rally, but officially it's a boo

if you want to have a future within the trump orbit and we believe trump is going to run for office again then he'll judge you by how you respond. mark meadows is not a dummie. he'll fight this. until the justice department decides to take action on the contempt of congress resolution they don't have a price to pay. even if they were to get in legal hot water they're martyrs in the political communities and that is not necessarily a bad thing. of course, there's a lot of legal costs that come with it. the stain on the career of course in a broader sense but you can be a martyr for fighting this and the incentive structures are there to continue to be defiant. >> general mccaffrey, first, news from overseas compels this question. a military build-up by russia along the ukraine border, fox newscast their lot on the russia side as one does i guess. what is your level alarm? we have been here before on the topic of military build-ups on that border. >> it looks like they're put in place on offensive capability that putin who's a very clever risk taker may decide to employ. i think he'll under

and the trump fixation is not working. and what james is talking about, nobody has any idea what their stuff is because they're only talking in terms of process. it's just a blur of congressional faces to the average voter. the democratic spending bill is like a quilt with 400 different patches. you can't even figure out what color it is. instead of narrowing it down, shouting about it, and having a fight with the people who say it's a bad program. they're having a hard knocks lesson right now, and in politics, there's always a reaction. i agree with james, i think they're shifting gears to try. and they do have an opportunity if this stuff is not defined very well. but they're learning the hard lesson that if you don't message effectively, the politics fall apart. and that's where they've been stuck. and biden has a problem, the defining voices in the democratic party in the last eight months have not been him. it's been the left wing and the woke police and all the stuff tangling up the democrats' ability to get swing vo

johnston who has profiled trump over the last ten years and reveals the financial misdeeds of the trump family. the book is entitled "the big cheat: how donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family." david k. johnston joins us now. great to speak to you again. this is the thing that gets me. right off the bat, i figure at this point, if you're getting fleeced by donald trump, right, there's but so many times that somebody can send you an email that says, i'm a prince in a foreign country, please send me $20,000. if you fall for it three times, don't you almost deserve it? the people who are still being fleeced by donald trump, are they victims or volunteers at this point? >> well, there certainly are people i describe in the book who were victims, like a dying man who sent $500, half of his income for the month, and then the trump campaign tapped his bank account until they drained it, and they did this to many, many, many people. the people who are donating today, i think many of them simply have come to hate america. they're very unhappy for reasons i've described

trump attacks pence. i think his evacuation by secret service from the office where he was waiting to certify the vote takes place around that time. the early afternoon, eastman email's pence's counsel. and this email you are talking about at 9:00 p.m., the eastman email to pence's counsel, urging that pence not certify the results then. what's amazing is by 9:00 p.m. it was clear how much danger the whole pence family was in. has eastman said anything sense seeing with his own eyes how harrowing the pence family escape was given where they were in the capitol, phil? >> i don't believe eastman has commented on the pence's jeopardy or sort of the emotions, the daengers of that day. if he has, i just haven't seen it. but it's worth pointing out that eastman has confirmed to our colleagues in the process of investigating this piece the details of those emails that you just mentioned. the early afternoon one, and then the 9:00 p.m. one. so he's owned up to that. but i have not heard any sort of conciliatory c

russia has really done at this time, said no one who ever worked for trump. worked for trump it was dangerous, reckless, irresponsible and we will and have been consulting with our allies and partners around the world to make clear to the russian federation and anyone else who would consider such a dangerous operation that this won't be tolerated. >> last thing before we go tonight, here is what our state department spokesperson was talking about there, and why even our secretary of state has criticized it. the russians have done something stupid and reckless. despite the robust support russia gets in primetime over on fox news, i doubt even they would support this one. in a piece of classically russian mines bigger than yours performance art, russia used its own weapon, fired from earth, to blow up one of its own satellites in orbit. here is why it was stupid and reckless. every dot in this computer animation represents a piece of space junk. from nuts and bolts to actual trash, from spent booster rockets to decommission satellites, the estimates start at 25

trump did it at the major league baseball game at the world series game. he and his wife did it. the governor of georgia did it. they're all participating in this. it's the same kind of thing. there is this sense among some white americans, not all, but some that you don't -- that they aren't allowed to do or say what they want because some minority group will be offended and it is that, that's what critical race theory is to them, that i don't get to say the jokes i want to say, say the memes i want to say and do the t tomahawk chomp. >> they like -- >> remember when major league baseball boycotted the state of georgia because of restrictive voting law and major league baseball is back with the world series and invite donald trump to come and do the tomahawk chop so speaking of hypocrisy, but you're absolutely right. i mean, what someone like donald trump does, he gives permission for people to engage in behavior. >> be your worst self. >> at the point of questioning. i do think you see this in the context of a new white backlash, the kind of thing we saw as you have pointed out

security adviser but of course trump being trump did it anyway. that's when things really started to get weird. really weird. because the really impressive resume he had built up actually turned into a rap sheet when flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. he wound up getting pardoned by his dear leader and paid back the favor by going on a post partum media tour saying all the wacky things like how the myanmar style coup should take place in the united states or how the covid-19 vaccine can end up in salad dressing because that's a thing and seeming to pledge allegiance to qanon. this shell of his former three star general self michael flynn now beats on the anti-democracy drums every day which explains why he was subpoenaed by the house select committee last week. now trump's weird little general is actually spitting on the first amendment. >> they're talking about the united states of america. talking about the united states of america because when matthew mentioned it in the bible, he wasn't talking about the physical ground that he was on.

trump. >> steve, what is -- what is this, really? >> well, it's a couple of dashes of political extremism from a very, very cynical standeford educated united states senator who emerged into the leadership of the country from the elite of the country. it's a dollop of the type of rhetoric that you may hear in vladimir putin's russia, you may hear in victor or ban's hungary. a fusion of these masculine notions, right? this is why you see putin posing with tigers with his shirt off, or wrestling bears or whatever the russian photo op is. it is this version and version of masculiity with a political agenda attached to it that puts the white male into the center of the grievance class and the victim class in the country. and that's the space that hawley is trying to occupy. i would say this. when you look at his treachery, when you look at the violation of his oath of office, when you look at his role in the insurrection, you look at that fist pump, you look at what he did, there is no leader wh

trump was convinced that was his real problem. he was desperate to get out of the white house and in front of his a.org supporters. he chose tulsa, oklahoma, which had and friendly republican governor and and mayor, and place where given covid, holding and rally might be dangerous, but unlike in most other states, it wouldn't have been against the law. the event was and failure with poor turnout that was mocked on social media. it also became -- this was foreshadowing for what would lie ahead -- and superspreader coronavirus event with many tests positive for covid. herman cain tested positive days after attending the rally and later died of covid-19. >>> joining us now to talk about some of the lessons learned from the week that was today with and particular focus on the republican party, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments elise jordan. she's an msnbc political analyst and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. good morning to you both, we really appreciate you being here. elise, let's start wit

those are charges he evaded with a pardon from trump. that came after the earlier falling out with trump, which all began, as so many do, without recall yes, bus perception and media, as "time" magazine dubbed him as the manipulators. >> bannon gets bounced. >> he's out as the chief strategist. >> le walked out of the west wing and right into the breitbart newsroom. >> hands back on his weapons. in his case that was a reference to the media weapons. he went on to argue he was basically still the self-anointed leader of this maga movement. >> what's your current reliship with president trump? >> you can see it every day. he's doing his thing. i'm doing my thing. remember, i didn't know president trump that well. >> but he said about you when you had a public parting. >> sure, do you think he still believes those things? >> i don't know, and i don't care. >> he certainly cared about getting the ultimate exercise of power from president trump, pardon, over a case they ought to care about, which is whether or not trump fans were being defrau

but he very much channels donald trump's id. he understands what trumps want. and he understood what roger stone understood in december and early january. that is what trump wanted to do, to overturn the election. and he went to work to try and galvanize supporters here in washington, and the run up to january six, and on social media, and in the country to do their part to apply pressure to the congress which to effectively reject the electoral results to keep trump in power despite having lost the election. joyce alene, i imagine as a law professor you teacher students that a good lawyer should come out of law school ready to argue both sides, with that in mind, if stone or jones hired you to be their lawyer and i would pay cash money to be who at that pitch meeting. but if that where the case could you make a case against cooperating with the subpoenas. >> we there is cooperation and then there's cooperation, and i think that the case that they can make is to limit the questions that they will answer in the documents that they will turn over. and there may p

how much of a role does president trump, or does president trump still play? and we know congresswoman cheney is one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach him for inciting insurrection. we also know most republicans, though, still seem to align themselves with him. i should note list cheney spoke in new hampshire. we know why politicians go to new hampshire at least in a presidential run. how much weight does it carry? how does an audience think do we think that cheney and others like her are addressing them? >> well, in conservatism, but the republican party, specifically, not as much as she would like, and that is why she's trying to make her stance very clear to those who will hear her, hoping she can change minds and change the direction of the republican party as it currently stands. new hampshire, he may seem the most influential and popular republican in politics right now, and he has to support as many leaders like cheney criticize and especially the base. but the long-term implications of that are very dangerous for a party who wants to move b

mike flynn was pardoned by donald trump. bernie carrick was pardoned. trump gave them a second lease of life and the president said is a sworn enemy and look, the justice department has not moved yet into show what they're going to do about trying to enforce these subpoenas that not being responded to by congress but the committee is in a difficult spot because it wants to get its work done before the 2022 midterm elections and that's a difficult way to run an investigation because an investigation should be a large fact-finding exercise where you go out and you spend as much time as possible looking at things. they want to do it on a shorter period of time and want it to be done by early next year and that undermines what they will be able to do because they -- because let's say that steve bannon doesn't want to compile with the subpoena and wants to take that to the supreme court. that could drag the investigation on. does that mean that by the time he gets to the midterm elections if your legal stuff with steve bannon is not resolved, do you not have

former trump doj official jeffrey clark, who played a key role in then president trump's attempts to substantiate the big lie, is claiming executive privilege prevented him from testifying yesterday before the january 6th committee. his refusal to answer questions about the attack led chairman bennie thompson to say the committee was, quote, willing to take strong measures to hold him accountable. the committee is already pursuing criminal contempt charges against former trump advisor steve bannon for his refusal to even show up for a deposition. this is coming as a new book from georgia's republican secretary of state, brad raffensperger, reveals new details about the now infamous phone call where he defied pressure from then president trump to find votes to overturn the 2020 election. >> look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is 1 more than we have. because we won the state. >> raffensperger writes that, i felt then and still believe today that this was a threat. others obviously thought so too because some of trump's more radical followers have res

people, and their constituents were solidly donald trump, and trump summons them to the oval office in late november and says i need you to reconvene the michigan legislature and send -- take back those biden electoral votes and send trump votes. and they told him flatly no. he doesn't want those kind of people around anymore. >> and he is working to get rid of them. >> and he is working to get rid of them. not with across-the-board success, by the way. but he is working. >> you also write about some of the sort of interesting characters, the sidney powells of the world. did donald trump genuinely believe that they were capable, that this crew of people, including the pillow guy and rudy giuliani were actually capable of keeping him in office? >> it's interesting. there is a dramatic scene when he is confronting bill barr after barr said there is no election fraud, and trump is like screaming at him in this meeting in the dining room off the oval office. and barr says look, first of all, your legal team has been a clown show. and if you had any chance of challenging everything, you'

at some point, donald trump will turn on you and look at this. if he doesn't care what is happening to the number two of our country when he was in charge, i think this says everything you have to know about donald trump's character, it is what we know him to be. >> carol, just briefly, what is he trying to telegraph with that interview we just witnessed from jonathan carl? >> he's trying to reinforce he's the standard bearer for this republican party and while mike pence may be saying, that january 6th attack wasn't so bad, you know, all of you supporters of donald trump, you and i can be friends, donald trump's trying to keep that wedge between them and make sure people realize in his view, pence was pushing something improper. in his view, pence was a turncoat, a benedict arnold. but olivia is right about the facts on this, i mean, the facts are really clear. donald trump's goal was to force and pressure and bully mike pence into doing what he wanted, illegal as it was, to maintain his grasp on power and the loyalty that pence showed him for t

donald trump, anger at donald trump. it was also about the promises that the democrats made, that joe biden made, that washington was going to be different, and that these suburban voters didn't see the change. >> chris jansing in virginia. chris, thank you. steve kornacki, a big thanks to you and your overworked big board as well. and rehema, thank you. and carlos karbela. we have more including key take aways from the viewpoint of a democratic source. >>> in the last 25 minutes we got an update about the spending negotiations on the hill. >>> and it's happening. parents across the country can take their children as young as five to get vvaccinated. >> we'll be the first ones like come on. let's into. he's a champion for getting his vaccine. >>> more doses are shipping out to pediatricians offices as we speak. so what do parents need to know? what potential side effects, will they be different for children than they were for adults? we're going to ask a doctor for you coming up. tor for you coming up. ♪ ♪ just two p

with trump. he told mcdaniel he was leaving the gop and creating his own political party and he didn't care if the move would destroy the republican party. trump reportedly told mcdaniel, this is what they deserve for not sticking up for me. it was made clear if trump would follow through with his threat, they would immediately stop paying his legal bills, but the rnc threatened to value his campaign worthless. trump generated money by renting a list out to candidates at a steep cost. officials estimate it was worth about $100 million. five days after that conversation with with mcdaniel, trump ultimately backed down. meanwhile on "the late show" with stephen colbert, jonathan karl discussed foals he saw from january 6th. >> okay. so i found out during the riot mike pence had with him during the entire time a photographer, an official white house photographer. i got ahold of the photographer. i saw all of them. it was wild to see he was in a loading dock in an underground parking garage beneath t