now let's hear from woody holton and nicole maskiell. thank you for joining us today. >> welcome, and thank you so much for being here. i'm here with woody holton, and i'm really excited to talk about his new book "liberty is sweet, the hidden history of the american revolution." woody, one of your big claims in this book is about the hid nn fluences on the american revolution. so i really want to talk about some of those, and i really wanted to start out first here talking about the different groups that you highlight in this narrative, this incredibly engrossing narrative about, as you term, this hidden history. so let's jump into it. what are -- what are some of these major groups and these hidden influences? and why have they come to shape your research so heavily? >> well, first, nicole, i want to thank you for doing this all university of south carolina program with me. i have a lot of reasons to be proud of our history program at usc, but the fact that we have two early americanists who can have a conversation like this is really

joining him in conversation is nicole maskiell. now let's hear from woody holton and nicole maskiell. thank you for joining us today. >>> welcome, and thank you so much for being here. i'm here with woody holton and i'm really excited to talk about his new book, "liberty is sweet," the hidden history of the american revolution. i really want to talk about some of this and really want too start out first here talking about the different groups that you highlight in this narrative, this incredibly engrossing narrative about, as you term, this "hidden history." so let's jump into it. what are -- what are some of these major groups and these hidden influences? and why have they come to shape your research so heavily? >> well first, nicole i want to thank you for doing this all university of south carolina program with me. i have a lot of reasons to be proud of our history program at usc, but the fact that we have two early americanists who can have a conversation like this is really cool. and i appreciate your -- i know you have a clas

of the constitution was the analyst for the national book award and turning him in conversation is nicole, assistant professor of history at the university of south carolina where she's also the director of the public is to reprogram and fellow faculty african-american studies at the walker international institute and now let's hear from these two and thank you for joining us today. >> welcome and thank you so much for being here and i am here with woody and i'm really excited to talk about this new book liberty is sweet, the hidden history of the american revolution rated quality, one of your big claims in this book is about the hidden influences on the american evolution rated i really want to talk about some of those and i've really want to start out first year talking about the different groups that you highlight in this narrative of this incredibly engrossing narrative of about this hidden history so let's jump into it. what are some of these major groups and is hidden influences and why have they come to shape your research so heavily. >> will first want to thank you for doing this

and that includes the next line which shows what nicole was talking about and as nicole pointed out and i did as well it is still occupied by native americans and i base this primarily on a scholar and when it comes to this and when it comes to other native relations and one thing that i had wanted to.out was that there are boundaries between those native nations. and they still have that out there somewhere and it's only the words on the map and not just theel boundaries. and that is covered in two phases of the book. but it alsoo talks about the native territories in the book and the continental revolutions. so maybe charlestown would be an example, charleston and other towns of influence, some of them in the vast majority of them. so just that presence that is really important. and why the revolution happened and then you still have to go with it because of this huge role that they played. to answer your question about that, one role that they played and that leads the british to draw a line along the steps of the appalachian mountains. we can actually see the shady area. the british

. >> will first nicole, want to thank you foror doing this, souh carolina program with me and i have a lot of reasons to be proud of it and i hope this program will know the fact that we have two people who can have a conversation is really cool. >> what i really appreciate you taking your time so we are talking about are native americans who still occupies most of the confidence in 1776 and the guys declared independence called himself the continental congress. inut the native americans about the politics and of course, that also really helps gets the revolution started it and actually argue the work in the west, the indigenous people and now one in five, people in the 13 colonies where african-american it and they also usually influenced the revolution and in fact i argued that if it had not been some of the things they were up to, revolution might not haven ever come to the south which is really what a great wealth of north america was in a lot of the people in this economy was my home in the state of virginia so i think african-americans and it and influenced them in their own wo

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