but ukraine? no. it's a god given right to territorial integrity and american soldiers will die to defend that territorial integrity. that's our official position as a country. now according to cnn, we must stop these russian attacks on the sacred borders of ukraine because if we don't stop then, what we could have here is what cnn is calling a dire security situation. now that phrase apparently comes from joe biden's undersecretary of state, toria newland who gave a gloomy briefing to u.s. senators last night. she's strongly in favor of war with russia. what is amazing is that anyone anywhere is still listening to her. no serious person could take victoria newland seriously. she's a joke. not only is she unimpressive as a person and she's not pro american, by the way, she's one of the architects of the disaster in iraq. so why is she still talking about foreign policy? is the guy who designed chernobyl still building nuclear reactors? probably not. only in washington where failure is rewarded could s

but ukraine?e? no. it's a god given right to territorial integrity and american soldiers will die to defend that territorial integrity. that's our official position as a country. now according to cnn, we mustte stop these russian attacks on the sacred borders of ukraine because if we don't stop, then what we could have here is what cnn is calling a dire security situation. now that phrase apparently comes from joe biden's undersecretary of state, toria newland who gave a "gloomy briefing" to u.s. senators last night. she's strongly in favor of war with russia. what is amazing is that anyone anywhere is still listening to her. no serious person could take victoria newland seriously. she's a joke.ni not only is she obviously unimpressive as a person and she's not pro-american, by the way, she's one of the architects of the disaster in iraq. so why is she still talking about foreign policy? is the guy who designed chernobyl still building nuclear reactors?he probably not. only in washington where failure i

the main topic was ukraine. president biden was direct and straightforward with president putin as he always is. he reiterated america's support for ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. he told president putin that if russia invades ukraine, the united states would respond with strong economic measures. we would provide additional defensive material for the ukrainians above and beyond what we already have. and we will fortified or allies with additional capabilities in response to such an escalation. he told president putin there's another option. deescalation and diplomacy. the united states and our allies would engage in a discussion that covers larger strategic issues including our strategic concerns with russia and russia's strategic concerns. we managed to do this at the height of the cold war and we developed mechanisms to increase transparency. we have done this in this post cold war era through the nato-russia council and other mechanisms. there's no reason we can't do that going forward prov

ukraine is a sovereign nation. the invasion of ukraine in particular going on what putin did before would be very serious breach of international security and would merit a huge response, not just in the u.s. but europe and the international community. chris: i want to pick up on something that you said earlier. if there is one thing that vladimir putin really wants now. it is the completion of the nord stream 2 gas pipeline to germany. here is what senator tom cotton, your republican colleague had to say about that last week. take a look. >> were in a situation where all western europe is flipped on german gas and vladimir putin is about you invade ukraine. the best we can get stern words. chris: what do you think of the chances that congress could override the president and block the pipeline and you can get democrats and republicans joining together to override president biden. >> recently cannot speak for the house but i do believe there is a coalescence around these types of actions in the united states senate

that raises new questions how exactly president biden could support ukraine if they get invaded. >> ukraine is not a nato country, right? but to ukraine's west, are nato countries and to that point, i don't happen to believe that vladimir putin would be crazy enough to invade nato country. his obligations under article 5 we are under war and i don't think vladimir putin wants that. ukraine is not a nato country. >> president biden chaired senate foreign relations committee and talked a lot about how he has known sam to so many world leaders for so long and campaigned at somebody who would draw upon that experience to restore order in the world, but now all of that knowledge is being tested, john. >> john: this could be all about putin ensuring ukraine does not become a nato country. an important conversation in th, great to have you in this moment where big decisions have to be made. do you share in the president's critics, fears, the situation ukraine could be afghanistan 2.0? >> sadly, so many ways we have been here before in history is repeating itself. when russia invaded crimea under b

>> president biden: in terms of in ukraine. [inaudible question]. >> president biden: that is not on the table. we have a moral obligation and a legal obligation to our nato allies if they were to attack under article 5. it's a sacred obligation. that obligation does not extend to nato -- to ukraine. it would depend on what the rest of the nato countries were willing to do as well. the idea the united states will unilaterally use force to confront russia invading ukraine is not in the cards right now. but what will happen is there will be severe consequences that will have -- >> you've known vladimir putin for years. are you confident he got the message and knows it is different. >> president biden: i am absolutely cost he got the message. >> harris: he is certain putin got the message. there are tens of thousands of russian troops on the border with their neighbor ukraine right now. we have to get our americans out of that country of ukraine. those are the facts. we'll cover the president. he has decided to talk with a few rep

ukraine could become the next afghanistan. some democrats calling for more lethal aide to ukraine. >> sandra: keith kellogg, general, good of you to be here. that call ended 12:08 p.m. eastern time and last 2ed hours. got off to a rough start with president biden's microphone was not worked. he got it back on and waved at the russian president. >> i saw the same picture you the president was there and putin by himself. that's typical putin. that the call went for 2 hours that's not surprising because it's translated. putin understands english. i sat between 18 calls with president trump and vice-president pence. he would laugh at our bad jokes and correct the translator. he plays a shrewd diplomatic game. if i was advising the president what would my advise have been in morning? i looked at it two ways. you have to look at it through our lens and the lens of your adversaries. if you know yourself and not the enemy you will win 50. if you know yourself but don't know the enemy you will lose all battles. president, you need to l

passed a nonbinding if russia invaded ukraine. the white house so far has not taken a position on it but issued stern warnings. >> we consulted with our allies and have a path forward impose significant and severe harm on the russian authority. you can call that a threat, you can call that a fact. you can call it preparation. whatever you want to call it. >> ahead of the biden putin call the white house is signaling to return there is still an off ramp. >> i think there is a lot of space here for the diplomacy and leadership to work. >> they are also painting a picture of what might happen if russia moves forward. saying partners in the eastern flank, which the u.s. is obligated to defend, would be looking for reassurance from the u.s. republicans say now is the time for president biden to project strength. >> what we don't want to do is allow president putin to continue with the pipeline, especially as he is preparing, perhaps, to invade ukraine. so, we do have to push back on that and i think that there is a large group of unite

the people are still getting killed in yeern ukraine -- in eastern ukraine. and, russia, of course, is still holding on to ukraine, two massive violations of ukraine eastertorial integrity, ukraine's also under siege from cyber attacks and espionage. i think vladimir putin is very well aware if he opened it up fully to a full invasion, russia would pill an in-- spill an inordinate amount of blood and treasure in the process. i wish president biden would have stated publicly exactly what was said in that meeting with vladimir putin. there's no reason to have kept that a secret. we should be discussing this publicly. again, the concern going forward is russia wants some kind of veto over ukraine's foreign policy, and the■ç secretary-general for nato last week said that ukraine should be free to join nato if they wish. well, russia doesn't see it that way. putin wants a legal guarantee that nato will not expand further, and i think that's the long-term question for the biden administration. david: yeah. putin also clearly wants some area, some territory in at

on the other hand he has this obsession with ukraine and he doesn't want ukraine to go into europe as the ukrainians want to do. i think that he would love to have us give concessions right away without him having to invade, but i think that there is a real chance that he could invade. >> the possibilities are increasing and whether they go in full or they tried to get some kind of land and carpet out to crimea, which they already control. is only when the picturel are te hundred thousand troops on the border and that is why he manufactured this crisis, hoping to blackmail the us and providing the security guarantee that he wanted and this call is very rare, committee noted. he's looking for diplomatic offer to try to get the security guarantees that he wants without having to pay a price and without being able to avoid the european sanctions that can damage the russian economy. but the problem with the administration is that putin can't be trusted. we don't know if he's bluffing and he doesn't seem inclined to call upon with -- and military de-escalation. >> here's how foreign affair

support ukraine the last time around. the russians think they can get away with it. >> dana: karl rove is standing by with analysis but first kris jenkins live from washington >> tensions are running high. ukraine said russia has had tanks and sniper teams to front line positions adding pressure to the video call today as the white house makes it clear to president putin that severe economic sanctions will be imposed if he invades. they dodged questions over u.s. troops being deployed. >> is president biden prepared to warn there is the possibility of u.s. military involvement if russia invades ukraine? >> i won't get ahead of the president's conversation. >> has there been any discussion increasing military aid? >> i won't get ahead of decisions one way or another that the administration may or may not make here. >> the kremlin says they aren't planning an envision despite russian troops massing. half of the 175,000 putin plans for. for perspective, the same number of u.s. troops at the height of the iraq war and expecte

of putin about ukraine. and there are a number of different things that can happen, but take a listen to this. >> i think mr. putin understands the risks. on the other hand, he has this obsession with ukraine. and he doesn't want ukraine to go in to europe as ukrainians want to do. so i think he would love putin would love to have us give concessions right away without him having to invade but i think there is a real chance that he could invade. >> bret: that's really what defense officials are seeing howie the possibility are increasing that russia goes in. the real question is whether they go in full to ukraine or they try to get some kind of land bridge and carve it out to crimea which they already control. >> putin's only real leverage is those 100,000 troops on the border. that's why he manufactured this crisis. hoping to pressure even blackmail the u.s. into providing the security guarantees that he wanted. second biden call earlier on the program suggest to me is looking for diplomatic off ramp to get

he claimed ukraine won't need u.s. or nato boots on the ground, we know how risky this situation is. especially with incompetents like general mark milley and defense secretary lloyd austin in charge. they couldn't beat the taliban. we were humiliated in afghanistan but they are going to scare off putin? by the way, all this is unfolding as americans trust in the military is declining. one recent home i found that just 40% of americans placed a great deal of trust in the u.s. military. that's down -- from 70% in november 2018 and dropping 11% since february. for some reason, the biden team thinks putin will be intimidated by state department spokesperson ned price. >> if russia chooses to fail to de-escalate, if russia chooses to move forward with any plans it may have developed to continue with military aggression upon ukraine to violate ukraine sovereignty, its independence, territorial integrity, we end our allies would be prepared to act. >> laura: is it just me or does he seem to be like a little boy who just rumm

ukraine independence, vladimir putin has demanded a guarantee that ukraine never join nato, where secretary-general of nato confirmed russia should have no such veto over ukraine's foreign-policy so that's the long-term question. the intelligence community will be mounting a full court press to collect intelligence on the reflections and russia specifically in the kremlin. with the president biden has succeeded or not in his efforts to deter russia's invasion. >> listening to lawmakers after this phone call was interesting because washington has never been more partisan but you have republicans and democrats, nothing should be off the table, even military intervention on the us friend but a lot of people at home are listening to this topic, listening to this all play out overseas between russia and ukraine, that doesn't affect my life, wake me up when he starts talking about gas prices, why should americans care about this. >> one thing we learned from the previous century when we fought two world wars against dictatorships, i fear rearing its ugly head today, dictatorships are on the march around

troops to ukraine. they will send though additional defensive capabilities if russia takes any steps to escalate this and the white house says that they would send troops to nato allies in the region, bret. >> bret: okay. tensions rising there. also tonight, president biden withdrew his nominee for the top bank regulator position. the votes weren't there. what happened? >> yeah. sol omarova actually withdrew her nomination for corps controller of the currency after push back from senate republicans and also moderate democrats who were concerned that she wanted to nationalize banking. they also questioned whether she was still wedded to ideologies from her native soviet union. president biden said he accepted her decision. there was a contentious confirmation battle ahead in accepting that he praised her qualifications and her achievements, bret. >> bret: jacqui heinrich live on the north lawn, thank you. let's bring in a member of the senate foreign relations committee maryland democratic senator chris

ukraine has an open door. nato has said the door is open for you at some point you can be a member. >> you're an expert in diplomacy. what do you think about the two calls this month? is it enough? you have two zoom calls. should there be more engagement? should countries be more involved? lastly. >> absolutely. absolutely. that is one of the other big principles. we, the united states, are not going to negotiate with the russians about ukrainian security or european security without them being at the table. so this cannot be just a u.s.-russia discussion. on january 10 and 12 january, there will be broader discussions. even beyond that. broader discussions of all european nations that are a member of the osce. that's where these discussions about european security should take place. also, any kind of de-confliction of military activity. >> thanks, sir. >> thank you, trace. >> what the white house and other public officials have planned for the future of covid as they're left with many of the same problems tha

we have been playing a game with ukraine, we dangle nato membership over ukraine to try to screw with putin's head, and it destabilizes him. he is off balance, because they need ukraine and nato, but we play the dance, because we don't really want to ukraine and nato, it depends on the country, it's flat and we will roll right through it. we don't want it, but we pretend like we want to end and it makes him go crazy and he does this crazy stuff i just think we should sell javelins, give them as many as possible, they just take these out like this and they are great and then you tell him we are not going to buy any oil, stuff it and then bolster security in the baltic, but keep your eye on this pacific. sanctions don't always work, but in the package stuff, i would say let's load up the ukrainians with javelins. >> katie: do you think that we should load them up too? i think we should send tyrus? before i've gone to russia three times, i'm actually the first from russia, but i was there when georgia invaded, not a good time. i think that pollutants use the lay of the land. and he sees

we can't afford to waste time and resources in a hopeless controversy over ukraine. if anything we should be looking for ways to peel russia away from the ccp but instead russia and china seem to be getting closer under biden, he is bringing the world together after all. it is a nightmare scenario for the us. on october it was joint naval drills between our biggest adversaries. the biden people are clueless but the american people are not. the same survey i mentioned earlier noted 52% of americans see china as the top threat up from just under 40% in february this year, 14% of respondentss said russia was our biggest threat. now finally, even if we did have good reason for conflict with russia which we do not, biden and his team are in over their heads. it would fail at any military action just as they failed in afghanistan. national security adviser jake sullivan, generally, and general austin should have all been putin today after we lost 13 troops in the kabul airport. no one was held accountable and they seem to have no regrets except the lives were lost. that re

, this is the ukraine. it's not franks or britain or holland. >> trace: understand. as kamala harris said in that interview, we are respecting ukraine's sovereignty. so i would just have to follow up and ask you, if he's not prepared to invade ukraine, why amass the troops, why create the situation that we're looking at right now? >> well, putin loves what is going on as far as having a moment in the sun, if you will. russia is a very significant old powerful country but still -- it does have the world's fourth or fifthth largest army. an economy 1/12 the size of europe. putin continues to put himself in the spotlight. he continues to put himself on an equal level of the united states and china, which are two countries with last economies and militaries. he might get what he wants here, which is to make ukraine neutral or make it just de facto a member of russia's sphere of influence of georgia, belarus and these other countries. >> jackie: some have suggested that this is a situation where he's flexing his

to promise no nato membership for ukraine, that we are not going to sell any weapons to ukraine or any of its neighbors. it sounds like he probably wouldn't be sitting down to talk to the president and the first place if the white house had already taken those off the table and shut it down. >> exactly, that shouldn't be up for discussion. if you have these forces, there are no concessions being made. we won't negotiate at the point of a gun and we certainly won't push the ukrainians to make concessions at the point of a gun. withdraw your forces and we can have a diplomatic solution. as long as he has 100,000 -- he reduced his forces by 10,000? oh, my gosh, he's got more than 100,000 troops on the border ready to invade. by the way, if he invades, it would be a done move because ukrainians won't take this lightly. there will be an uprising which biden should say we will support, and russia will look at ukraine and regret ukraine the way they regretted their invasion of afghanistan in the 1980s. >> gillian: i mentioned this a moment ago to mike, i want to ask you what you think. yester

president macron made statements on ukraine sovereignty and supporting ukraine and supporting ukraine militarily. so it was interesting to see that paris is taken a harder line than london or berlin on this. that was a promising sign. it's not enough to have macron alone sounding the alarm and support for ukraine. we need the new german chancellor, prime minister johnson and others to get involved as mike pointed out. >> martha: you know, it was interesting to listen to jake sullivan, secretary pompeo, talk about the nord stream 2 pipeline saying we can turn it off again. it has -- the oil has not started flowing through it but the construction is largely done. so he sort of presented that as we can still hold that over their heads. we can withdraw that. you agree with that? >> martha, they probably can, but it gives me no joy for them to have learned the lessons that we told them during the transition. the things that we need mattered to american people to protect our security interests. that's what this is about, it's about making sure that we have the rule of law, things that mat t

it's because of russia's actions with ukraine. ukraine is a sovereign country. russia is projected to put 175,000 troops on the border. 100 battalions. they will have missile capabilities, armor and that is obviously a concern not only to the united states but to the world at large. i was recently in london and in brussels and in eastern europe. there's concern from our allies about the handling of afghanistan by this administration. when we're talking about a confrontation between russia and the united states, obviously tensions are high. >> sandra: you heard john kirby today. we carried it live. he said that conflict is not inevitable. they believe they can lead through it with diplomacy. the "wall street journal" editorial board writes about the rogues on the march around the world and so many allies in fact questioning president biden's own judgment after afghanistan saying that this is going to be an ultimate test of joe biden's leadership and how he responds will be telling to the world. do you believe he's up to the task? >> i would hope so. i would hope

second call to discuss ukraine. the 50 minute conversation followed another one amid tens times, those hides are reacting with the press secretary jen psaki saying president biden urged the russian to the escalate tensions with ukraine and made clear the united states and its allies will act decisively a freshly invaded ukraine. the response include extensive sanctions against moscow. and russia would sever any ties with the united states of economic punishment against his country occurs. to get security guarantees from the west end amid the buildup of russian troops near ukraine's the border, tension is at an all-time high. lower-level conversations continue us and nato countries and officials in moscow advised the biden administration not to make a mistake ahead of the meetings. >> biden has noted escalation continues on the ukraine border and adopt large-scale sanctions with military areas. it wouldn't a grave consequences. >> reporter: the question is whether or not diplomacy prevails was brought up between russ

ukraine is no longer a weak enemy, in 2014 when russia seized crimea and launched a war in eastern ukraine there were 6000 battle ready ukrainian troops. ukraine now has 400,000 men under arms and a very high percentage of them are bad already. any invasion of ukraine will be a real slaughter. even if russia occupies a country, the next step will be guerrilla war. >> we have to leave it there and hope it does not happen. thank you very much for taking time today. >> imagine being able to launch a missile without moving a finger, new intelligence suggesting that's what china is working to develop, jennifer griffin has the latest from the pentagon. >> it would be later really putting the device into your brain that could launch a missile. >> is on second sci-fi thriller new intelligence shows china is using technology like gene editing and brain machine interfaces to enhance military capabilities and control of some people, machines that could allow a chinese commando to discharge a weapon with just a thought now to trigger finger. >> that's what they mean control technology, it's a new fiel

>> not to invade ukraine. there is potentially a number of sanctions that could be put in place prospect of lee. >> reporter: had a high-stakes call later this morning reuters is reporting ukraine's defense ministry says russia has deployed additional tanks and labor teams to the front line of the conflict to provoke a reaction. we will see where that goes. meanwhile to sean hannity's point this is close to the press. carley: additional tanks and snipers as griff mentioned 70,000 troops in ukraine border, american intelligence says the number could reach 175,000 by the beginning of the year and the goal of the between president biden and russian president vladimir putin is for president biden to de-escalate the situation, way foreign policy expert say he would do that is by showing strength telling vladimir putin if you invaded ukraine you are going to because off financially and he has to show strength not only to stand up to our adversaries around the world but to show our allies we are still one with him be

he doesn't want ukraine to join nato and wants a legal guarantee that ukraine won't do so. that's russia seeking to exercise soviet-like control over another state and velting their independence. that's what vladimir putin wants.iolating their independence. that's what vladimir putin wants. putin is negotiating with the united states but ukraine doesn't have a seat at the table. i wish the biden administration included their president in these meetings. >> john: one thing we know about vladimir putin he subscribes to the staying proceed with bayo nets. if you are met with mush proceed, with steel stop. linhere. >> i will look you in the eye and tell you as president biden looked president putin in the eye and told him today that things we did not do in 2014 we are prepared to do now. in terms of the specifics, we would prefer to communicate that directly to the russians and not negotiate in public. we are laying out for the russians the types of members we have in mind. >> john: what might they have in mind, dan? >> well, no question the biden administration is not going to

i think president biden needs to call president putin back and say look, if you invade ukraine, ukraine is going to fight back. we're going to put the full force of the united states behind them in terms of arming them and we're going to ask all of our allies to make sure they're properly armed, too. we'll find out who our friends are. number 2, i think president biden needs to tell mr. putin that if you do this, we're going to eliminate you from the international financial system. not a sanction here and there. we're going to cut you off. cut you off like a dead stump. we're going to start by expelling you from the society of worldwide interbank financial telecommunication system. so he can't even transfer money. number 3, president biden needs to tell putin look, i made a mistake. i tried to be a nice guy and i wouldn't sanction norm stream 2. whether you invade or not, beginning tomorrow, i'm going to sanction the living hell out of nord stream 2. germany is going to be upset. i love germany. in this instance, they need to call someone who cares. we need to sanction nord stream 2 so

putin wants to deal with ukraine without ukraine having an opportunity to negotiate at all. he wants to negotiate directly with the united states. it serves his purpose to appear as a super power even though their gdp is the size of italy, no disrespect to the italians. but what gives russia weight is the nuclear weapons. putin is using that and the build back better to his advantage. >> gillian: yesterday there was a call with reporters. one of the things that biden wanted to press upon putin is how he deescalated tension along the border. what does that mean, dan? let's be real. you have the president of russia amassing 100,000 troops at the seen zenith. he had 100,000 troops there and started to make overt threats aukraine. that's not really tension. >> yeah, putin wants to deescalate. he just wants to do it on his own terms. he withdraw 10,000 troops as a perceived concession because the united states agreed to those talks. i think vladimir putin is fine not starting what would be a prohibitively costly war. as long as he gets something for it. so i think he would be hap

he supports ukraine. there's certain requirements that they need to meet including corruption and other topics. it's up to nato to decide the path. >> the biggest member of the alliance, what is the u.s. telling nato on this issue, specifically and is the president offering any assurances to president zelensky? >> no, the president's message is clear. he supports the aspiration of ukraine and a range of countries again to join security alliances around the world. there's certain requirements that need to be met. those are well known. the united states supports that path. >> quick question under passage of the republican bill yesterday to overturn president biden's vaccine mandate for private employers. are you concerned that given the democratic support of the bill was able to get, are you concerned that perhaps it will actually be able to, you know, get some house democrats to join in and secure a vote on that? i once the white house has said it's not on the president's desk. >> it's important for people

>> well, the american people haven't been prepared to go to war over ukraine. the congress of the united states, there is not bipartisan support to go to war over ukraine. so i don't have any problem with that decision. i think we could have taken other actions that would have been deterred putin from doing what he is doing. in my judgment we should have been strengthening our nato alliance on the eastern border and putting more nato troops into the baltics and poland and providing them not with significant lethal aid. we aren't giving them anywhere close to what they have asked for, harris. and that would have been a factor as well. >> harris: why do you think that is? the president has a talk today scheduled with the ukraine president zelensky. i would imagine he is going to ask that question, why didn't you help us out before with that lethal aid? >> they have given them some lethal aid. president obama did not. he refused to. president trump did. they did cut back on it. it doesn't come anywhere near close to the shopping list that the ukraine military has.

ukraine. following the 50 minute conversation both sides are reacting with jen psaki saying president biden urged de-escalating tensions with ukraine. and the united states and its allies and partners will respond decisively of russia further invaded ukraine. part of that response with extensive sanctions against moscow. president putin morning russia would sever ties with the united states if any punishment against his country occurred. a stock putin aid, to get security guarantees from the west, the buildup of russian troops near ukraine's border, tension at an all-time high. in early january lower-level conversations will continue to be there but officials in moscow advising the biden and ministration not to make any mistakes ahead of those meetings. >> reporter: biden has noted escalation continues, western countries will adopt sanctions in economic, finance and military areas. it would be a colossal mistake with grave consequences. >> of diplomacy prevails a war between russia and ukraine

we have to laser focus with the ukraine, support ukraine and provide lethal assistance, resources and get our european allies to step up. we have to focus on asia and china because that is our primary threat and we're underestimating it. >> martha: it's hard to understand what is gained by speaking softly after this point to china. we'll see what that gets them. thanks very mel, elbridge colby. good to see you. breaking right now, medina spirit has died, the winner of the kentucky attorney. bob baffert said she died of a heart attack, collapsing during a routine workout outside los angeles this morning. she was the subject of controversy, you may remember, in may, after failing a post race drug test after the kentucky derby which resulted in baffert being banned from churchill downs. that will raise a lot of questions. the news that medina spirit has died on the race track. also, actor jussie smollett that told police that he was the victim of a racist attack on the stand right now in his own defense. we're live in chicago with what he is telling the jury next. >> man: what's my safel

they have over 100,000 soldiers massed on ukraine's border. in bret at this point it's not a matter of if, but one. how far does putin go? it's not a coincidence that he's doing it after north stream two comes online. he knows that when he controls europe's gas, he can fracture you are sidelined them in terms of sanctions or military responses. we need the clarity that the united states will support the ukrainians and send stingers an error defense that the ukrainians have been asking for an other type of legal assets but instead we have seen some speak end as chris wallace said, blanket looks like he's reading from a teleprompter. >> bret: ukraine's technically not a part of nato so it doesn't fall under article five. there's a lot of concern about the u.s. getting in a proxy war with russia. >> we have to understand as ukraine goes, next will be the politics which our nato allies, next could be -- it's a slippery slope. if it could the balkans, and again, no coincidence that putin went after the ukraine and crimea under obama. they can fract

we have been talking about ukraine for years. what is this? >> the thing i see here the same neocons and neolibs in washington who dragged our country into regime change wars in places like iraq and libya and syria are the same ones who are pushing us very quickly into this war with russia and never stating once, hey, what's our objective? what are we trying to accomplish here, and how does it serve our country's national security interests? >> tucker: exactly. >> not a single one of them are pointing that out. >> tucker: this is not some stone aged in south korea this is weapons and actual army. >> exactly. >> tucker: too crazy. >> they have more nuclear weapons than we do. thinking you are going to launch a nuclear attack and not see a consequence that will lead to a nuclear war that destroyed theug world is, again, insane, inept and i don't know how many more words we can use to describe it. it's ridiculous and these people should not be in positions of power to make these decisions. >> tucker: i couldn't agree more. i also have run out of

perhaps it's because they didn't do anything to arm ukraine to support ukraine the last time around and the russians it think they can get away with it. why does this matter if the viewers watching why do we care with russia invades ukraine? first of all they are a democratic country if they are going to do to ukraine they could do it to other democratic countries in their sphere, i think the chinese are watching this very, very closely. they are looking to see what the russians get away with in ukraine. can they get away with the same thing in taiwan. if you have a tendency around the world for russia and china and other it authoritarian regimes to attack democratic states, to take away their leaders and the rule of law, that is a really dangerous principle setting up around the world. so we should also. brian: they are expecting hard core proposals from president biden, which is odd because they are initiating the action and we are doing that in response. but let's go through your -- every russian soldier who crosses ukrainian border will come back in a body bag. he should say that di

the aggression we have seen at the ukraine border. the bella cross rhetoric coming from one side. >> brian: what if anything can this administration do to stop take over invasion here now former cia station chief. >> what was your take from that four hour presser ladder to sum up something like that but what's your take away? >> >> you know, vladimir putin is testing the resolve of the biden administration he is threatening military aggression with 100,000 troops on the ukrainian border in an evidence to united states and nato russian sphere of influence. i listened to the press conference putin said of course russia wanted to focus on internal issues but they can't because of this threat from ukraine. putin wants to portray himself as the only one, the only defender of russia besieged fortress mounting attacks against him which nothing could be furthered from the truth. the whether the biden administration will step up with the right kind of policies to deter russia's aggression. >> they want to stop nato from expanding. guarantee th

he does intend to unify ukraine in to russia. it is one of two things he has talked about the most, that and controlling growing russian economy and you know controlling the flow of engineer into -- energy to eastern europe. joe biden has already given him one of the things he cares about the most, intelligence tells us that russia very likely may act on getting the second thing. trey: director, you have been in the room when world leaders are on the phone. how do you think this call will go? will biden say, this is about what we're going to do if you go through with this plan? or is not that blunt. >> it should be blunt and aggressive, the call between putin and biden, putin is an ex-kgb . the advantage goes to putin. he is viewed as not being strong based on actions he has taken as president on national security issues, what should happen, i talked about north treatment two pipeline, he should threaten to take it away, biden administration admitting they made a mistake at our southern border, also not to late to stop the pipeli

we have been talking about ukraine for years. what is this. >> the thing i see here the same neocons and neo libs in washington who dragged our country into regime change wars in places like iraq and libya and syria are the same ones who are pushing us very quickly into this war with russia and never stating once hey, what's our objective. accomplished here and how does it serve our country's national security interest. >> tucker: exactly. >> not a single one of them are pointing that out. >> tucker: this is not some stone aged and there south korea this is weapons and actual army. >> exactly. >> tucker: too crazy. >> they have more nuclear weapons than we do. thinking you are going to launch a nuclear attack and not see a consequence that will lead to a nuclear war that destroyed the world is, again, insane, inept and i don't know how many more words we can use to describe it it's ridiculous and these people should not be in positions of power to make these decisions. >> tucker: i couldn't agree more. i have also run out of adje

ukraine not a nato country. i think in the next week or so is not just president biden's conversation with -- with putin, it's the whole world, you know, europe needs to stand up and say we will stand in defense of ukraine, what that means, of course, is a little complicated. lots of defensive weaponry flowing in ukraine and making it clear that the economic sanction that is would be leveled against putin and cronies will be devastating n. the next week or so putin needs to realize that a invasion of neighboring country would be unacceptably ebbing --expensive to him. >> i was so sad to hear that. as a current legislator, i never got to serve with bob dole, you know, i'm sure the bob dole we would have things to disagree on. he wouldn't have called him a communist and i would not have called him a fascist and the language on capitol hill today, that was not there when bob dole was a senator and that has to do with the person that he is or was and i just hope that the place that i work can get back to that, we ar

russian troops are amassed along the ukraine border. dan hoffman says the president needs to show strength. >> we're framing the narrative as putin would wish in terms of de-escalation. he will charge us for that make no mistake. by framing it that way we're lending credence to vladimir putin's unrealistic demands. the biden administration first and foremost needs to reframe the narrative in terms of russia's aggressive threats toward ukraine and stopping those. >> rich edson is live in wilmington, delaware with all on this. >> president biden is at his home in delaware scheduled to take the call with russian president vladimir putin this afternoon around 3:30. the president according to the white house has russian president vladimir putin is the one who requested this call. one white house official says that it is a moment of crisis now between russia and the west. has been that way for a few weeks as russia has deployed 100,000 troops to its border with ukraine. russia invaded and annexed parts of ukraine in 2014. putin invaded neighb

troops in ukraine. so we'll also be doing more support for ukraine in terms of providing them with more defensive weapons that they can use in order to withstand and invasion by russia and notable that the white house spokesperson said russia should not increase its invasion. it is already conceding that russia has already invaded eastern ukraine and has a presence in some of that region and make sure russia don't use the 100,000 troops on the border to go into eastern ukraine. >> trace: yesterday i talked to the former ambassador to ukraine taylor. he said this. >> i think he really believes that the sanctions that are lined up with our allies in europe are serious. i think he really understands that the ukrainian army is much stronger than it was when he invaded last time in 2014. he understands that the ukrainian people are defending their own land and they will fight hard. both the military as well as civilians will fight against invading russians. >> trace: do you get that sense, david, that vladim

biden and russian president vladimir putin's call, threatening sanctions against russia putin invaded ukraine but is it enough? >> the white house blowback for biden, facing some blowback, griff jenkins joining us with more. >> the high-stakes call lasted 2 hours with both leaders agreeing to continue a dialogue. afterwards national security adviser jake sullivan says president biden sent a firm message to the russian leader. >> we still do not believe president putin has made a decision, what president biden did was lay out clearly consequences if he chooses to move. >> video the call coming from russian state media. watch. >> good to see you again. last time we didn't get to see one another at the g 20, next time i hope we do it in person. >> the white house not divulging the extent of the economic sanctions threat if putin invades but acknowledge they are prepared to go farther than what was imposed in 2014 and sullivan says biden made no concessions on putin's demand to block ukraine from joining nato suggesting also the nordstrom 2 pipeline could be used as leverage. >> gas is not flowin

white house officials are raising concerns about russia possibly invading ukraine early next month. russian president vladimir putin and president biden scheduled to talk on tuesday as tensions between russia and ukraine escalate. mads lean rivera has more on this story. >> as senior u.s. defense official says they're taking kremlin signal seriously after troops already stationed along ukraine eastern border. and u.s. intelligence report shows those plans for a potential invasion of ukraine as soon as early next year could involve as many as 175,000 troops. the report comes as russian president vladimir piewten blame u.s. military commitment and activity getting closer and guarantee won't be able to demand white house brushed puff. biden administration threatening serious consequences including economic sanctions if russia takes further action. president doubling down on that statement friday vowing that u.s. would make it very difficult for putin to carry out his offenses. >> aware of that for a long time and my expectation is they're going to have a long discussion. still some mil

ukraine is not a nato country. we should take nato forces and put them in poland and make certain they get the message that you are not going any further. you are not going to undermine poland. belarus is doing that now weaponizing migration and putin is enabling it. we still have a market to play here. i hope president biden plays it strongly with a sense of resolve and determination. >> bill: i hope you are available tomorrow to talk about it. thank you so much. >> dana: you'll be here with us for the rest of the week. we love to have you. you mentioned the nord stream 2. i remember in the backer and president bush saying why would you want to do this to yourself, why would you want to be dependent on russia for your energy? that's what they are basically doing. >> bill: he talked about saention. hold it over putin's head and the pipeline is not complete yet. you could say we're objecting to it now and probably get a lot of nato allies if you get an invasion of ukraine. joni ernst with chris wallace. >> democrats

anita: in the us and russia working to schedule a date and place for talks on ukraine next month. moscow has been messing tens of thousands of troops along its ukrainian border prompting warnings from the us against any plans to invade. alexandria is live for mike just today president vladimir putin said he's weighing his options if the west does not give in for demand for security guaranteeing that a commitment to halt nato's expansion into eastern europe. this comes alongside a report that more than 10000 russian troops have withdrawn from the ukrainian border, according to a reuters sighting what russian military officials call the interfax news agency. if so, it still leaves tens of thousands of russian troops near ukraine that have been there for months equipped with tanks and heavy artillery sparking concern moscow is gearing up for an attack. the kremlin denies this and vladimir putin claims his aim is to defend russian border saying quote american partners tell us they are ready to start this discussion. these talks in the very beginning of next year in geneva representati

look at russia, they are now threatening to invade ukraine. they have a massive troop presence and deployment right on the border. china is threatening to take over taiwan, or as they call it, reunification. it is a takeover. they are saying so publicly and they have no problem all day long flying fighter jets all over taiwan's airspace. iran is now on the verge of getting nuclear weapons. and it appears most days joe biden doesn't even know what day of the week it is. let's break this down. it is very important. this could go south really fast. first, according to u.s. intelligence, russian dictator, the hostile actor that he is, vladimir putin is now planning what is amazing military invasion of ukraine. we have satellite images, they show somewhere between 70,094,000 russian troops already amassed at the border. around 100,000 more soldiers are in the process of being mobilized as we speak. and thanks to joe biden, green lighting russia's north stream to pipeline while firing keystone xl pipeline workers, putin should have no problem at all

look at russia, they are now threatening to invade ukraine. they have a massive troop presence and deployment right on the border. china is threatening to take over taiwan, or as they call it, reunification. it is a takeover. they are saying so publicly and they have no problem all day long flying fighter jets all over taiwan's airspace. iran is now on the verge of getting nuclear weapons. joe stupidly is just teasing sanctions, and it appears most days joe biden doesn't even know what day of the week it is. let's break this down. it is very important. this could go south really fast. first, according to u.s. intelligence, russian dictator, the hostile actor that he is, vladimir putin is now planning what is amazing military invasion of ukraine. we have satellite images, they show somewhere between 70,094,000 russianng troops -- 70000-94000 russian troops already amassed at the border. around 100,000 more soldiers are in the process of being mobilized as we speak. and thanks to joe biden, green lighting russia's north stream to pipeline while

he supports ukraine. there's certain requirements that they need to meet including corruption and other topics. it's up to nato to decide the path. >> the biggest member of the alliance, what is the u.s. telling nato on this issue, specifically and is the president offering any assurances to president zelensky? >> no, the president's message is clear. he supports the aspiration of ukraine and a range of countries

go to taiwan if putin is nonstop from going into ukraine? are these conversations you are hearing out there? >> a lot of them and a lot of people are tied to the defense industry or congressman tied to the administration, real concerns about what russia and china are doing. the link between the two and relationship between the two, you're right. u.s. military faces a lot of things but if russia moves into ukraine, if china moves into taiwan, what does that look like? what is the u.s. response? is a complex answers for this administration and ones opposed to the defense secretary in one way or another. griff: bret, i've got to believe people are talking and contrasting perhaps the different approach president biden is taking with president ronald reagan last night. a special report, a sound by a president reagan in 1983 to speak to evangelicals. i want to play that again for our viewers today and get your reaction. here is president reagan in 1983. >> your discussions of the nuclear proposals, i urge you to beware the temptation of pride and