governor sununu: right, but it is a big deal. if four times more people are getting omicron done delta edited that much more contagious, -- and it is that much more contagious you will have the same number of people in the hospital because it will go rampant. those who are medically vulnerable, maybe they have obesity, diabetes, lung conditions are susceptible to severe illness. the last point i want to make about why hospitalization is important. i a lot of people do not appreciate that no two beds are equal. when you are in the hospital for covid the chances are you are therefore 5, 6, 7 weeks on average. when you are therefore quadruple bypass you are there for seven days. a covid patient can take up the same bed 10 times over for most other issues you would be in the icu for. so a covid patient overwhelms the health care system exponentially and that is why we are putting all our efforts now into making sure we have emergency teams and nurses and doctors. hopefully they are not getting burnt out and we have a system so we are

joining me is new hampshire republican governor chris sununu. thank you so much. it's nice to be here. talking about covid, we both tested negatively before we came on. let's talk specifically about new hampshire. vaccination and booster rates have plateaued. covid misinformation is everywhere. we have it from r.f. kennedy, from joe rogan, from fox news. is misinformation costing your skon -- constituents lives? >> i think misinformation is causing massive confusion. i don't want to say it's costing lives. one of the roles i have in a leadership position is trying to clarify. we've had a lot of confusing information from the cdc, a lot of information from social media and even the marin stream media. we try to clarify, be super transparent. that earns public trust. i think that's why new hampshire has had a fairly high vaccination rate. it's frustrating, need to rally everybody in terms of here are the a, bs and cs, if you have questions, talk to your doctor. you bring up a good point. vaccinations across the country have plateaued. omicron is less severe than eve

you asked governor sununu whether that type of misinformation is costing lives. i understand why he answered the way he did and didn't want to get into it. however, i want to say yes, that misinformation is costing lives. it is convincing people that vaccines don't work or vaccines will harm you, and that's just not the case. as a result we're hitting this plateau of people who are refusing to get the vaccine, and as a result we're dragging this recovery out. >> it's no question misinformation is costing lives. there is a police officer who had gone on fox news who talked about not getting vaccinated who died last week. i give tremendous credit to dr. sanjay gupta for going on joe rogan's show. the cdc director should go on joe rogan's show and argue with him. i don't think censorship is the answer. he needs to reach those audiences. there are people still getting wrong information. i know women in my own life who think getting the vaccine will affect their fertility. i've told them this is not what the data shows. we need to reach them with public health informa

and again, i go back to -- i go back to governor sununu's quote. how long -- i mean, rhetorical question, i know this is not fair to ask the press a question. i'm not asking you. but think about, did you ever think that one man out of office could intimidate an entire party where they are unwilling to take any vote contrary to what he thinks should be taken for fear of being defeated in a primary? i've had five republican senators talk to me, bump into me quote, unquote, or sit with me who have told me that they agree with whatever i'm talking about. but, joe, if i do it, i'm going to get defeated in a primary. we've got to break that. it's got to change. and i doubt -- this sounds like i'm being solicitous. you're well informed, more informed than any group of people in america. but did any of you think that you'd get to a point where not a single republican would diverge on a major issue? not one? anyway. >> can you tell us who those five republican senators are? >> sure. no, are you kidding me? i maintain confidentiality. but i'm sure you've spo

and then he said, how do republicans sununu spoke to answer the challenge? he said crickets. yeah, crickets. they had no answer. i did not anticipate that there'd be such a stalwart effort to make sure that the most important thing was that president biden didn't get anything done. think about this. what are republicans for? what are they for? name me one thing they're for. so the problem here is that i think what happens, what i have to do and the change in tactic, if you will, i have to make clear to the american people what we are for, we passed a lot of things people don't understand what all is in it. remember when we passed the affordable care act an everybody thought that, you know, it really was getting pummeled and beaten and it wasn't until we were out of office, that next campaign, that off-year campaign and i went into -- i wasn't in office, but i went into a bunch of districts campaigning for democrats and republican districts wanted to do away with health care, with obamacare? and i started pointing out that if you did that, pre-existing conditions would no long

a quote from senator sununu -- governor sununu when he decided he wasn't going to run for the senate in new hampshire. here's what he said. they're all for the most part content with the speed at which they weren't doing anything. it was very clear that we just had to hold line for two years. okay. so i'm just going to be a road block for the next two years? that's not what i do, sununu said. he said it bothered me that they were okay with that. he goes on to say, okay, so we're not going to get stuff done if we win the white house back? why didn't we do anything in 2017 and 2018? then he said how did republican sununu answer the challenge? crickets. they had no answer. i did not anticipate that there would be such a stalwart effort to make sure that the most important thing was that president biden didn't get anything done. think about this. what are republicans for? what are they for? name me one thing they're for. so the problem here is that i think what i have to do in the change in tactic, if you will, i have to make clear to the american people what we are for. we passed a lot.

how did the republicans sununu spoke with answer his questions? crickets. crickets, the governor said. they had, joe, no answer. that's a big problem for the party. >> well, it is. and the first part of that describes what has been wrong with washington for the past 20 years, for the entirety of this century. people waiting for the other party to get out of the white house and just acting like a roadblock. but what i find so damning, especially damning here, david, is what governor sununu said in the second part of that. he asks the question that, of course, i want republicans to answer every day. because they were in power in '17 and '18. they owned washington, d.c. but you go back and look at the quotes republican senators made when they were asked about building a wall. they only talked about a wall when they were out of power. they get in power, and suddenly lindsey graham is saying building a wall makes absolutely no sense. john cornyn says, yeah, it's crazy. republican senators, they didn't want to do any of this stuff. they didn't want to build a wal

for example, i was reading the other day -- a quote from senator sununu. he decided -- governor sununu when he decided he was not going to run for the senate in new hampshire. this is what he said. they were all content with the speed at which they were not doing anything. it was very clear that we just had to hold the line for two years. all right. so we will just be a roadblock for the next two years? that is not what i do sununu said. it bothered me that he was ok with that. i said we are not going to get stuff done if we win the white house back? why did we do anything in 2017 and 2018? and then he said how is republican sooner supposed to answer the challenge? crickets. they had no answer. i did not anticipate such a stalwart effort to make sure the most important thing was that president biden did not get anything done. take about this. what are republicans for? what are they for? name me one thing they are for. the problem is what i have to do in the change in tactics if you will, i have to make clear to the american people what we are for. we passe

and, again, i go back to -- i go back to governor sununu's quote. how long -- i mean, rhetorical question. i know this is not fair to ask the press a question. i am not asking you. but think about, did you ever think that one man out of office could intimidate an entire party where they are unwilling to take any vote contrary to what he thinks should be taken for fear of being defeated in a primary? i have had five republican senators talk to me, bump into who have been told me they agree with whatever i'm talking about for them to do. but joe, if i do it, i'm going to be defeated in the primary. we've got to break that. it's got to change. i doubt through all, you all bright as hell, well informed. more informed than any group of people in america, but did any of you think you could get to a point where not a single republican would diverge on a major issue? not one? anyway. >> those five republican senators are? >> sure. no. are you kidding me? i maintain confidentiality. i'm sure you've spoken to some. >> on voting rights, sir, at your first pres

again, i go back to, i go back to governor sununu's quote. rhetorical question. i knows not fair to ask the presse question, i'm not asking. but think about it. did you ever think that one man out of office could intimidate an entire party to where they are unwilling to take any vote contrary to what he thinks should be taken for fear being defeated in a primary? five republican senators have talked to me, been to me, sit with me. cold me that they agree with whatever i'm talking about. but joe, they say, if i do this i get defeated in the primaries. we got a break that. it's got a change. sounds like i'm being solicitous. they are all bright as hell, well-informed, more informed than any group of people in america. have any of you thought that it's got to the point were not a single republican could diverge on a major issue? not one. anyway. >> the five republican senators are? >> sure. no, you kidding me? [laughter] i maintain confidentiality. but i'm sure you have spoken to some. >> on voting rights, sir, at your first press conference 10 months ago i asked if

. >> i'll speak to new hampshire republican governor chris sununu. >>> president biden will nominate a black woman to the supreme court -- >> long overdue. >> -- as some of the right object to the president's pledge. will any gop senators support the pick? our panel is here to discuss ahead.

sununu was asked if the defendants of january 6th should be pardoned, and he said, no, and graham said he didn't want to send a signal that it was okay to defy the capitol, and then you had marjorie taylor greene criticizing graham for not supporting the j 6 defendants, as she so put it. trump is the leader of the party, and it's still his party and polling shows 40% of republicans believe the penalties imposed on convicted capitol rioters are too severe and that's what trump is tapping into, katy. >> thank you so much. >>> the search for the nominee to replace supreme court justice breyer capitol hill busier. there's more than a dozen names and all black women with extensive resumes and experienced as promised by president biden. several republicans have criticized the president to picking a blackn's intentions w quote, affirmativeds graham disagreed saying put me in the camp of making sure the court and other institutions look like america. one of the women being considered is from graham's state, j. michelle childs. joining me is national correspondent, leigh ann caldwell. does that

i'm look at governor sununu on the board here. he talks about that a lot. and it ultimately gets down to where the rubber meets the road, and that's where the patient is in need of help or preventing the need for help. jason: that's president biden last week saying the solution to fighting covid-19 resides at the state level despite his promise to, quote, shut down the virus during the 2020 presidential campaign. this comes as new cases are rapidly surging across the country due to the omicron variant. new york set a record yesterday for its highest ever single-day total of new cases with over 85,000. florida is also seeing record high cases. meanwhile, the biden administration has promised to deliver 500 million at-home tests soon despite the administration reportedly rejecting a proposal from testing experts in october to ramp up production before the holidays. the president has denied that report. for more on this, let's bring in new york congresswoman nicole mall ya tack malliotakis, member of the infrastructure committee. congress month, thank you so m

here are senator susan collins, governor sununu and lindsey graham. >> i do not think that the president should have -- president trump should have made that pledge to do pardons. we should let the judicial process proceed. >> look, the folks that were part of the riots, the assault on the u.s. capitol, have to be held accountable. there's a rule of law. i don't care whether you were part of the burning cities in antifa in 2020, storming the capitol in 2021, everybody needs to be held fairly accountable across. that's part of leadership. >> they shouldn't be pardoned? >> of course not. oh, my goodness, no. >> i think it's inappropriate. i don't want to reinforce that defiling the capitol was okay. i don't want to do anything that would make this more likely in the future. i want to deter people who did what they did on january the 6th and those who did it i hope they go to jail and get the book thrown at them because they deserve it. >> so charlie, will that condemnation resonate? will it kind of upstage what trump has said? >> well, i certainly hope it does. i can't imagine a more reckl

sununu has a spine and is not afraid to say no to donald trump. but susan collins just won re-election. a huge trump base in man mine. why not say, no, i don't want him anymore. why won't she say it? >> a classic susan collins answer. we're seeing a couple of things. it's really hard for republicans to have it both ways. they want the energy, the enthusiasm. they want to bring along trump's base. they see 2022 as the year where it would be unforgivable if they didn't recapture at least the house by a lot and maybe the senate. and so they want to be able to harness that energy but then they want to firewall it when it gets to like actual rule of law stuff like american democracy. so you saw even lindsey graham come out yesterday saying, no, we're not going to have this discussion about pardoning january 6th attackers. but again, having it both ways where trump is endorsing people, raising money, raising enthusiasm, attacking joe biden, doing all that stuff they say he's good at that helps the republican party but then stopping him where they want t

he quoted sununu and he came down here, what are we going to do? nothing. he's a loyal republican and he said well, okay so you are going to do nothing but why didn't you do something when you controlled the house and the senate in the white house in 2017 and 2018, he said they sat there dumbfounded. again, this is a republican with a 70% approval rating. he came down here and said these republicans don't want to do anything. >> it is nothing ideological from that. >> and so this is a party that like "seinfield" is about nothing. it is about stopping and from doing anything. it is about power basically power at sake. it is about regaining power. it is what they're trying to do and the way they try to do that is prevent joe biden's from moving the country forward and that should scandalize every american but it is the truth. by the way. donald trump himself said that earlier this week. there is no plan and no agenda. we just want to get into power. >> john, january 20th is the anniversary of president biden being sworn in as president in office. some of the

that's not what i do. sununu said he, when i said bothered me, that they were okay with that. and he was gonna say, i said ok. so we're not going to get stuff done. if we wind whitehouse back, if when the white house back, why did we do anything in 20? 172018. and then he said, how the republicans soon spoke to answer the challenge. he said crickets, yeah. crickets. they had no answer. i did not anticipate that there be such a stalwart effort to make sure that the most important thing was that present bind didn't get anything done. think about this. what it publicans for. what are they for? they me one thing there for in. so the problem here is that i think what's happened, but i have to do in the, in the change in tactic, if you will. i have to make clear to the american people what we are for we pass along to pass a lot of things that people don't even understand what's all, what's in it. understand. remember when we passed the affordable care act and everybody thought that it really was getting pummeled and beaten and it wasn't until after out of office. and that next campa

chris sununu around 70%. scott around 70%. charlie baker always around 70%. republicans in a region, especially new england, where national candidates can't get elected are doing extraordinarily well. so the question first of all is why does that happen? why do you all have such remarkable success? one. and two, why doesn't the republican party figure out that there is a roadmap that does not no through donald trump being enormously successful politician? >> well, joe, first of all, i did write a book about that. i'm make sure i get you a copy of that it's called "still standing" about some of the things we accomplished and how we did. i think it's because the average person wants their elected officials to tell it like it is, to get things done and they want them to be able to work across the aisle, not demonize the other side but define common sense solutions. that's is similarity. we are all different types in different states. the reason why we work in that way. it's the opposite of what happens in washington these days on both sides of the aisle where th

should be the draft contact, and i know how people are hesitant, but i look over there and governor sununu has read it and he is already signing his life away. or his freedom, it is a commitment, it is saying we want to supports computer science education and we have for not -- priority is. i think that all of you will see that as something that you can support. it takes a commitment. we will take a look at that, and then i remind you that the dates are march 16 and 17th in bentonville and in boston it is may 18 and 19. you might go with those dates for options for the future. i know we are hungry, let us get the panel another round of applause. [applause] >> the job. -- good job. [indistinct chatter] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [indistinct chatter] >> coming up on c-span, we will have more from the national governor's association 100 14th annual meeting in washington, d.c.. pete buttigieg will be speaking to governors about t

again, i go back to governor sununu's quote. i know this isn't fair to ask the press a question, i'm not asking you. but think about it. did you ever think that one man out of office could intimidate an entire party -- i had my republic and senators talk to me who told me that they agree with whatever i'm talking about doing . but joe, they say, if i do it, i will be defeated in the primaries. we have got to break that. it has got to change. and i doubt -- sounds like i'm being solicitous. you are more well-informed than any other group in america. don't any of you think that when you get to a point when not a single republican will diverge on a major issue, not one? host: that theme picked up by andy biggs, mr. biden said what are republicans for? i will name you one thing there or. so much for the president who promised unity. tim scott saying that with approval rates tanking, many on the left are making a last-ditch effort to on -- to force unpopular policies on americans and this is why we need the filibuster, going back to

and, again, i go back to -- i go back to governor sununu's quote. how long -- rhetorical question, i know this is not fair to ask the press question i'm not asking you but think about, did you ever think that one man out of office could intimidate an entire party where they're unwilling to take any contrary to what he thinks should be done in fear of being defeated in a primary? i've had five republican senators talk to me, bump bump me, or sit with me who have told me they great with whatever but joe, if i do this, i'm going to be defeated in the primary. we've got to break that. i down, you're all well informed, more informed than any group of people in america, but did any of you think that you would get to the point where not a single republican would diverge on a major issue now one? anyway -- >> those five republican senators are >> sure -- no, are you kidding me i maintain confidentiality, but i'm sure you have spoken to some. >> reporter: on voting rights, sir, ten months ago i asked if there was anything you could do beyond legislation to p

tim scott nicky wants to come daughter was graduatinging that day asa hut which isson maybe governor sununu, it is a wide open race i , in 2024 i find it very hard to believe democrats are going to nominate 28-year-old joe biden for a second term, or kamala harris after she has been simply an utter disaster as vice president office holder as she was as presidential hopeful 19, and 2020 marianna williamson -- pete buttigieg lasted longer she turned out a terrible candidate seeing that political impact as vice president. >> yes, we are we will start looking at the primary season for the congressional races necessary month, then likely, have a may be more narrow look at 2024 race after midterms, quick break russia invadeing ukraine some say the white house policies are to blame, next. . their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together. he gets touchy when you talk about his lack of friends. can you help me out here? no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with pr

i'm wondering, do you see in lindsey graham's statement, do you see in the other statements by chris sununu, an extraordinary popular governor, do you see the possibility, maybe the beginning of the fever beginning to break in the republican party like it started to break with margaret chase smith and other republicans back in the 1950s? >> terrific parallel. absolutely mccarthy in the early 1950s, although i would say donald trump and his methods are probably 20 times worse than joe mcccarthey because this is a former president that may be running again, plus you didn't have mccarthy going out and using violence to break up institutions or violate the rule of law to the extent donald trump has done. but i think what mccarthy shows is that we go through periods like this where there are people -- and we saw it in the 1930s with father cogland and to some extent hughey longs, no-nothings in the 19th century where people say what's wrong with the system, we have to break up the system, we have to tell vice presidents to certify elections that were not really won as donald trump asked mike pen