and in addition, after talking to khalid sheik mohammed and zubaydah. we were able to stop an attack inside the united kingdom led by another gentleman. i think those are important for america to know. bill: why hasn't that information been forth coming? because you have the attorney general holder saying ok, look, i'm going to set up a panel and look at the cia guys who waterboarded zubaydah and khalid sheik mohammed. we are going to do that and rattle their cage at the cia. we are going to give them a hard time. and no -- americans don't know what you just said, that a midwestern plot was foiled. a u.k. plot was foiled. why don't we know that? >> we don't know that, sir, because the president and mr. holder and the white house generally have been lying to the american people directly about the success of the interrogation program. you can disagree, if you would like, over whether there should have been one. but the president and the attorney general and the man they appointed to be counsel general at the cia or general counsel, rather, have suppressed

like in ohio the unemployed factory workers oh my god do you know what khalid sheik mohammed there was this play dead scene in a cell? >> you know what, laura? we are worried about fighting wars in iraq and afghanistan. we are worried about the fact that our men and women are dying dying. as you just heard from the white house in a war that dick cheney said oh yeah go right in we are sure they had weapons of mass destruction they didn't have them. laura: we are north talking about weapons of mass destruction. we are talking about what's effective in keeping america safe? >> what you just heard from john mccain is when it comes to these torture techniques, enhanced interrogation. laura: we got a lot of information. >> no, we didn't. the "the washington post" had a major article on it just on saturday. >> what did the article say? the sheik said that he lied. he told the red cross he lied initially. laura: after the fact. >> he lied. so, laura. laura: juan, read the whole piece. read the whole piece. and mary katharine you probably read the piece from saturday. i like how the "the washin

khalid sheik mohammed has fired court papers from guantanamo bay. in them he called president obama 8 lia a liar. it was eight months ago today that the president announced he would shut down that military prison within one year. numbers show that we may still have a long ways to go. since then the u.s. transferred out only 15 of those prisoners. another one killed himself. 225 prisoners remain with just four months until the prisoners self-imposed deadline comes to a head to land somewhere else. khalid sheik mohammed is now comparing president obama to president bush. details? >> just a short time ago these court documents were released to us. basically what we have read is just one rant after another aimed at the obama administration. these bizarre statements, as the clock since president obama signed the order to close guantanamo within a year, less than one dozen nations have taken detainee's. former detainee's in bermuda are considering opening a restaurant. 90% are still at military prison camps. there are only four months left. the white hous

third, the three conspirators, including khalid sheik mohammed , were acting as their own attorneys. they were no-shows. they refuse to come in today. and then we learned that one request a file was for a movie, a 1975 harrison ford film about the vietnam war. if you find this confusing, you have a good handle on what the atmosphere was like in that noisy court today. rick: 9/11 families are speaking out right now. i am sure they are baffled. what are they saying? >> we have heard from four of the five 9/11 families. what is significant to me is that, of all the families we have heard from so far, every single one has said that they believe is a mistake to close guantanamo bay, as the president has indicated, and i have yet to share one family say otherwise -- hear one-family say otherwise. rick: keep us posted. when we come back, the president -- is he or isn't he getting involved and the new york state gubernatorial race? reports over theke paterson to not run for reelection. why would he do that? rick: there were reports over the weekend that the white house wanted new york state

in the middle, we have all seen this picture, khalid sheik mohammed, right? for the first time in eight years a brand new photograph of him is out. we will show it to you and tell you how terrorists are using the photograph. in the bottom, and live look at japan. the japanese are about to launch a rocket to the international space station. blastoff should be at any second. by the way, it is 2:00 in the morning there. that is a very important space launch. what it will do, it is kind of a space truck. it is going to carry 35 tons of supplies to the international space station. this is one vehicle, by the way, that will be used when the space shuttle is retired in 2010. it will carry needed supplies to the international space station. here is the key, this is a brand new vehicle. a brand new outer space vehicle on an untested rocket. this is all brand new. they have no idea if it will work. you should know, for the first time the international space station will actually grab this out of space, dragging it into the dock, sending this applies it back on its way.

sheik mohammed. what about these pictures? >> these are the pictures of his white t-shirt mug shot when he was arrested. new pictures were taken by the international red cross of this summer. pictures are given to the detainee family typically. that explains how they wound up on this web site. right now his fate will that of nine others is in limbo. this administration is facing significant pressure, by the 17th it has to ask for more deference. this time the total the label be pushed to one year, critics say that that are the amounts to justice. shepard: what about legal options? >> officials tell me that there was a meeting of senior deputies at the end of last week and three options were under consideration. one, asking for more time. no. 2, pulling the charges in a military commission does, meaning that the charges to be transferred to another court. number three, maintaining the status quo based on the week of the pretrial standards on the 20th. there is a lot of pressure right now. >> katherine

they urged the judge to send the men, including khalid sheik mohammed, the alleged architect of 9/11 a notice to clarify what was happening. the prosecution was in favor of forcibly extracting the men from their cells if necessary. the judge declined to do so. an even more bizarre moment, the men had requested films, including a 1970 film from harrison ford about the melai massacre. they want more printers and chargers for their computers to help prepare their defense. today there were five 9/11 families in court today and four said they would like to see guantanomo bay stay open and the fifth insisted that guantanomo bay should be close the. bret: catherine, thank you. three men suspected of plotting a terror strike somewhere in new york made their initial court appearances today on charges of lying to authorities. zazi and his father were in federal court in denver. the younger zazi reportedly had bomb making notes on his computer. he has denied being involved in the alleged plot a third suspect appeared in a new york courtroom. ahmed a-zfoli. >> new books are giving behind-the-sce

sheik mohamed really persuaded him he needed to cooperate. >> so says the transmission from planet cheney. if only we could hear from someone that's actually there at that interrogation. if only we could hear from, say, the fbi agent who first interrogated him. if only he could tell us what actually happened there. >> using intelligence interrogation methods, within the first hour, we gained important actionable intelligence. >> you say on the instructions of the contractor, harsh techniques were introduced which did not produce results as he shut down and stopped talking. correct? >> correct, sir. >> oh. >> enhanced interrogation techniques made him shut down and stom tap talking says the m who was there. back here on planet earth, the facts with that interrogation are the exact opposite from news of planet cheney. you know, even in an interview that was so softball, conservative blogger andrew sullivan denounced it as a teenaged girl interviewing the jonas brothers, fox's chris wallace did manage to ask mr. cheney if he was okay with torture techniques that went even beyond those that w

even people like khalid sheik mohammed who we knew had operational information about al qaeda? this isn't about iraq. this is ksm. this is a man who is responsible as a master mind of 9/11 where 3,000 americans were killed. what is permissible to do with him and who would want to work for the cia when they think they are going to be prosecuted, keith? >> lawyer remarks we have to take things one step at a time. if someone has broken the law, they should be held accountable. laura: this is not breaking the law. evidence murdered americans in giving material assistance to the 9/11 hijackers. >> if someone has broken the law and murdered. laura: you didn't consider that an act of war. >> i want to get back to your other point. the experts have told us these enhanced interrogation methods don't work. laura: i don't care hot experts are, the facts are the facts. >> do you want to go back to village i have vigilantism? >> laura: i'm talking about getting to a point with some of the most hardened terrorists and get information that protect's americans lives. >> your hypothetical assum

sheik mohammed, they have not not decided whether to try them in a military court or a federal criminal court? >> i agree with evan, i think so. i think the issues of the files were the result of the fact that the previous administration, the bush administration, wasn't planning on prosecutoring anybody in a federal court. you know, that said, the obama administration went ahead with setting a deadline before looking at its files. i think in retrospect there's been some soul searching and some thinking of maybe we should have had a better sense of what those files looked like before setting a one-year deadline. they're now in a position where they've been going through these files for so many months and are still not sure even if those top four 9/11 conspiracies where the best venue will be for charging the >> warner: finally, evan, there's another whole category of prisoners that president obama came forward in may and surprisingly at least to his base on the left said they might have to be detained indefinitely. >> right. they had already been shopping this idea on capitol hill to som

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it's khalid sheik mohammed the tubby guy we caught in a t-shirt. lost weight and looks like his idol. experts say al qaeda circulating these pictures on his web sites to encourage new attacks against the u.s. the photo taken by the red cross at gitmo for his family. red cross taking pictures, good. steve: thanks for helping, people. another hero's welcome for the recently released lockerbie bomber at the libyan hospital where he is being treated for prostrate cancer. 40 del gantz of the african union including its speaker applauded al megrahi. he was the victim of international justice. released on compassionate grounds after seven years in the scottish prison. gretchen: california state assembly man calls it quits after shocking comments caught on camera. the married michael duvall caught makes remarks about women. one was apparently a lobbyist. he apparently didn't realize a nearby microphone was hot during the legislative meeting. steve? steve: take a look at some of those spectacular shots of the universe you are going to see thanks to the newl

sheik mohammed. you thought that was osama bin la laden. an expert will examine if this fote yes makes you any less safe. brian: one congressman calling for czars to be dragged before congress and confirmed before they start working. he'll join us next hour. this is "fox & friends." . luke: moving my mind and my hands at world record speed. i'm luke myers. if you want to be incredible, eat incredible. announcer: eggs. incredible energy for body and mind. (guitar music) (announcer) what are you going to miss when you have an allergy attack? achoo! (announcer) benadryl is more effective than claritin at relieving your worst symptoms. and works when you need it most. benadryl. you can't pause life. . san antonio steve new picture of the 9/11 master mind looks like osama bin laden has made its way into extremist web sites. so with eight years on the attacks of the world trade center and the pentagon, have we become complacent when it comes to dealing with terrorists? here to answer this question is fox n