and nato his reminded russia to participate in this, and i do hope russia will accept. as you can see, there is considerable scope for nato and russia to do more together. and this will, i am sure, help us rebuild confidence and trust. but we need more than just enhanced practical cooperation to address some of the more serious disagreement between nato and russia. hence my second proposal, which is to revitalize the nato/russia council as a forum for serious dialogue. i firmly believe that we should use the nato/russia council again in the way it was originally intended. not as a fair weather forum, but as a forum where we can all air our differences, openly and transparently. and where all our security concerns are discussed. including russia's. take for example, president's ideas on a new european security arrangement. i am aware that the o.a.c. is the primary place for discussion, and that the president's ideas are not concrete proposals. but to the idea that these are russia's concerns of being marginalized. and that a dialogue could provide a real addeded value. w

and now the deputy prime minister of russia and russia's ambassador to the united states. this event was hosted by the center for strategic and international studies. it is just under 90 minutes. >> i like to remind you that this is not just an embassy advent -- events but we have been preparing an good partnership with this group. it is a wonderful partnership for us because these two institutions have been doing russian studies, one focusing on political and strategic - issue, and the other on economics. we want to continue these partnerships and our fans here at the embassy. we are extremely fortunate to have mr. shuvalov. i do not think that he needs to be formally introduced because he is very well known, not only in russia but throughout the world. is one of the formidable experts and government management and the as the first deputy prime minister. mr. shuvalov is very much involved in developing strategic plans and economic affairs of the russian government. we appreciate him taking time, and like to invite mr. shuvalov to make an introductory statement and we will

russia must realize that nato is here to stay not because we think russia is an enemy. we do not. but because allied share common allies -- allies share common values and we want to preserve it. there should be no doubt anywhere that this alliance will continue to make the security of all its members our number one priority. why not? i do not believe that this has created in the security problems for russia. on the contrary, a more stable and prosperous europe is indeed contributing to the security of russia. we also need to be realistic in recognizing that nato will continue its open door policy. -- not because of any intention to encircle or marginalize russia, but because respect for territorial integrity and the right for each sovereign state to freely decide its security policy and alignments are fundamental if russia is to be an entity and europe is to be free. finally, we also have to be more realistic in recognizing that russia has security interests which we need to understand and take into account. many things that nato allies may regard as entirely [unintelligible] can

you think russia would play ball? >> the vocal to say. certainly the missile shield was the one issue for the russians that have to be overcome before business on really anything else was going to be possible. president medvedev said it just this week that perhaps in separate circumstances sanctions could work but said in general sanctions don't tend to work. he certainly left the door open. i think it is also interesting just last week apparently this is really buys -- the israeli prime minister was in russia to talk to vladimir putin about the prospect of russia putting on hold the sale of anti-aircraft defense system to iran. this may be all part of the same picture. the americans will certainly be hoping. if you look at some of the obama priorities, missile shield was always further down and iran was always further up. it was on board to do a trade. whether the russians, i don't know. if we deal with the worst case scenario, iran having a bomb, an awful lot worse for the americans than the russians. >> thank you for joining us from ce

and where china and russia stood on this issue. so suddenly if you have russia aboard, the hope among those in the white house is that that will bring a reluctant china. they're still acting very reluctantly and they're not -- that's where i think jamie could be right in china may not be ready to go with as tough as sanctions at the u.s. would hope for. i tell you, on one hand they talk about north korea. say, we have the chinese on board some of the toughest sanctions against north korea anybody has gotten out of the chinese in a long time. that's fine. iran is going to turn into a domestic political fight in this country. the pressure the president is going to feel on this front is different than north korea. you're going to see conditioningal republicans and a lot of dem contracts. -- today, joe lieberman, evan bayh put out joint statements today about their feelings on iran. hawkish statement. very sort of a message to the president about getting tough. there could be bipartisan bills that come out of congress with a lot of tee

so alcoholism still today a problem in russia then as well a problem in russia. and smirnov, being so prominent by then becomes somebody who gets associated with the drinkingroblem. people began to write about him. people you may have heard of, for example, anton chekhov, the wonderful playwright wrote a column in his early years and he called smirnov by name and other vodka makers peddlers of satan's blood. so he didn't mince words at all. another critic was tolstoy, and tolstoy, i didn't know this, but i did get to learn this -- he was a very promint temperance advocate in russia. and he devoted much of his writing and much of his talng and much of his energy to the sobriety movement. in fact, there's a great story about tolstoy calling people together in his village, putting a sheet of paper down on a big picnic table, it's basically a document telling all the men i want you to sign the document. the document basically said i'm going to give up drinking. i'm going to give up smoking, i'm going to give up all these terrible vices because tolstoy really believed

and where china and russia stood on this issue. if you've got russia aboard, the hope among those in the white house is that that will bring a reluctant china. they're still acting very reluctantly. and that's where i think jamie could be very right. china might not be ready to go with its toughest sanctions the u.s. would hope for. on the one hand, they talk about north korea. they'll say, we have if chinese on board some of the toughest sanctions anybody has gotten out of the chinese in a long time. that's fine. iran will turn into a domestic political fight in this country. the pressure the president will feel on this front is so much different than north korea. you'll see congressional republicans and a lot of democrats. today, joe lieberman, evan bayh today put out statements. it was a very hawkish statement. a message to the president about getting tough. there could be bipartisan bills that come out of congress with a lot of teeth. a lot of sanctions in it that could pop up as a bill for the president to sign before he can m

they want a quid pro quo with russia. he went to moscow last summer in july and said he was to reset their relationship. this system that they announced without nato's approval, they announced that the system would be in poland and the czech republic, bush and ministration, on its on and it really got under russia's in. you have to weigh how much investment you can make with russia on strategic nuclear arms reductions versus with a nonstarter with russia, we should remember that the republicans are much more wedded to the idea of missile defense ever since ronald reagan gave a star wars. it has been a part of every republican plank since then. democrats are more skeptical about its cost and how effective it will be. they found a middle ground here, and never republican secretary of defense and all the joint chiefs to agree on that. these are not people who are known to except unacceptable risks for the country and they take that very seriously. there's probably a middle ground here that will be successful. >> congressman

-russia business council. i want to thank you for your remarks about the business and the economy and bringing our countries closer together. we very much support that goal and it is something that we want to see accomplished with you. regarding the wto accession, could you clarify in terms of the customs union and russia's on accession, and i understand that there are four other issues. how do you swear that with the customs union and russia's goals along that line, are you saying then that the accession would move forward toward the end of this year with a customs union? dollars a customs union and the wto accession, they do not contribute to each other. customs union is a very simple formula. we seem and -- we need the same level of customs with these two countries, and we have internal discussions to adopt these duties and protect them. it is an easy foreign -- is not that easy. and now we have agreed with them that most of the duties would be accepted on the same level as russia agreed before. all our tal

it is part of a move to deepen cooperation between russia and nato. the new secretary-general of the organization suggested they share the missile defense system. >> we should explore the potential for linking the u.s., native, and russian defense missile systems at an appropriate time. >> he was short on details, but the offer was part of the speech the tending to warm up the frosty relationship between russia and the western alliance. afghanistan was another area where he said that russia and nato could help it each other. he said it was a matter of necessity. it came on the heels of a thursday announcement about a missile defense shield. it could alarm some nato countries that border pressure. >> enhances the security of our nato allies. it enhances our cooperation with nato. it places more resources in more countries. >> the russian invasion of georgia last year sent relations with nato plunging to a post- cold war low. some in the alliance think that russia should not be trusted following such aggression. others like the secretary general believe

russia. bret: poland has been a strong ally to the u.s., contributing 15,000 troops to the iraq war over the past five years with 2,000 more soldiers currently in afghanistan. today he spoke with the polish president about how he felt when he learned of the u.s. decision to reverse course on last year's plans for a european missile shield. >> i considered the agreement to be a success, and i worked very hard to bring about the deal and make it successful. i would like to be honest with you and let's just say i did everything i could to finalize the deal. i can not say i was happy. it was a very important deal for us. >> the announcement came on the day which was the 70th an anniversary of russia invading poland. >> i don't think it was done intentionally. i excluded such a possibility, but it was an unfortunate coincidence, yes. bret: is there a new deal for shorter-range missiles to be located inside poland? >> well, the details have been not worked out yet. i hope it will be, but what is im

this includes russia's. take president dmitry medvedev ideas on a new european security arrangement. i am aware that the oec is the primary form for such a discussion and i am also aware that president dmitry medvedev's ideas have not turned to concrete proposals. to the greek -- to the degree that these demonstrate russians concerned about being marginalized, i believe that a nato-russia dialogue could create good value. we must aim for a euro-atlantic architecture in which russia sees herself protected. as many of you are aware, nato has to start the process of drafting a new strategic concept. i plan to make this the most open, the most inclusive process in the history of nato or any other organization. it is a process in which we will engage the strategic community and use new media in ways we have never done before. it goes without saying that this open process offers an excellent opportunity for the russian strategic to community to make its voice heard. now to my third proposal -- when i look at the r

russia must realize that nato is here to stay. not because we think russia is an enemy. we do not. but because allies share common values. and the culture cooperation and we want to preserve it. and there should be no doubt anywhere that this alliance will continue to make the security of all its members our number one priority. and why not, i do not believe that the enlargement of nato and the european union has created any security problems for russia. on the contrary, a more stable and prosperous europe is indeed contributing to the security of russia. we also need to be realistic in recognizing that nato will continue its open door policy. not because of any intention to encircle or marginalize russia, but for respect of territory and integrity and the right of each sovereign state to decide its security policy and alignments are fundamental if russia is -- if europe is to be truly free. finally, we also have to be more realistic in recognizing that russia has security interests, which we need to understand and take into account. many things that nato allies may regard as entir

in tonight's lead focus, the reaction from russia and beyond. we start our reporting with itn's samira ahmed. >> to protect the u.s. homeland -- >> reporter: a sign of weakness or a fresh start for american-russian relations? nato's secretary-general announced today that president ssile defense shield was the latter. >> it is possible for nato and russia to make a new beginning and to enjoy a far more productive relationship in the future. we should explore the potential for linking the u.s. nato and russian missile defense systems at an appropriate time. >> reporter: russia's president medvedev welcomed the decision last night. and prime minister putin called it a "correct and brave decision," adding that he expected further warming of relations with the u.s., enabling russia, kazakhstan and belarus to join the world trade organization. a new tone has emerged from north korea, too, overnight. just months after defying a ban to test fire long-range ballistic missiles and an underground nuclear test, president kim jong-il has told a chinese envoy

look, if china and russia do not go along with the sanctions. >> they will. russia will. bill: you say they will. >> i don't think it's coincidence that obama pulled back on the nuclear shield thing last week. bill: maybe he has a deal there in the back door. >> of course he has a deal. bill: maybe. not of course. >> think they would renege on nuclear shields. bill: i hope he has a deal. >> of course he has a deal. bill: if china and russia don't cooperate they can keep iran moving even with all of the sanctions that the west imposes. i am telling you obama got to be looking at the touch here. the easiest way to strangle them is put a blockade up. >> that's an act of war. bill: you bomb them civilians get killed. >> now all of a sudden we are intervening between china and russia who may make a different decision. creates new set of issues. chow we get russia on board. i concede china isn't on board. bill: you think it doesn't matter. >> clearly obama made a complicated move. bill: he didn't say we have rugs shaps cooperation. >> is he supposed to say that? taps complicate

. >> neither of you said the word "russia" in your remarks. to what extent is the hope for a better relationship with russia and any future sanctions or other attempt to counter the iridium missile threat, to what extent that was a factor in making this change? >> john cartwright sat in on the same meetings i sat in on with the president. the decisions on this were driven, i would say, almost exclusively by the change in intelligence assessment and the enhanced technology. it was a zero-based look at the threat and their capability of dealing with it. that said, the russians are probably not going to be pleased that we are continuing with the missile defense efforts in europe. at the same time, there are two changes in this architecture that should ally some of their unfounded concerns. one is there concern that the radar that was going into the czech republic looked deep into russia and could monitor the launches of their icbm's as well. the second is the russians believe, despite our best efforts to dissuade them, that ground-based intercept

russia won, georgia lost. a year on, it is russia that remains in complete control of south ossetia. >> sharp differences in the international approach to afghanistan have burst into the open with the sacking of the special, on flight. -- with the second of the special envoy. he took in more tough line than his boss from norway. i was told earlier about this. >> the secretary-general issued a start statement which thank peter galbraith for his work and he was being recalled in the best interest of the mission. the u.n. mission has been in the spotlight over the past couple of weeks because of this very public row between peter galbraith and his boss, galbraith. they were lookin-- and his boss. galbraith wanted to an investigation and to take a much tougher line on the election. kai eide wanted to avoid the appearance of international interference. it is believed that kai eide took sides with hamid karzai and he turned a blind eye to election fraud. galbraith believes he was fired because he disagreed with his

are about russia. and the fact that vladimir putin came out today, as you said, and used some effusive language about this decision probable causes more problem for president obama both here at home and in eastern europe. the idea that the russians are so pleased only fuels the criticism that this was done to cave in to russian pressure, even president obama and the white house insists that's not case. >> what do they actually get from russia? can you imagine the scenario where russia would not be vetoing or threatening to veto tough sanctions against iran in the near term? >> you know, russians say they're not going to engage in a quick prid quid proand then the white house says by the way, they have not sought one in that regard. so it may be that this is one off. a lot of the russians i know think of this as payment for past debts, rather than you know, some sort of quid pro quo for a future cooperation. >> speaking of delegates, diplomatic dances, bill clinton went on with jon stewart last night on

russia had seen these bases as a potential threat to its own security. at one point threatened to target nuclear missiles against both bases. >> the government says poland and the czech republic strongly reported the idea of a missile shield but acknowledged that today's announcement was not unexpected. >> shortly after midnight, baraled me to announce his government's decision. we were aware of the possibility the u.s. might back away and that the u.s. was re-examining the plan. >> however, in russia, today's news was greeted as a positive step forward. the kremlin had opposed the missile shield, viewing it as aimed at russia and not iran. >> with the u.s., we can work out effective measures that take in the interest of all sides. we appreciate this move by the u.s. president. i'm ready to continue the dialogue. >> for more on the president's announcement and what it means for america's relations with eastern europe and russia, we're joined tonight from washington by heather conley. she's a senior fellow at the senior for strategic and international stu

at the time of the russia- georgia conflict, and u.s. negotiators were engaging poland and the czech republic on the terms of deployment of theater missile defense shields to protect against an iranian missile threat. in response to the rising domestic opposition, these governments expended considerable capital to keep talks moving forward. bolling russia's escalation in georgia, the poles expedited an agreement. the presence of american soldiers and trainers on polish soil, ostensibly charged with maintenance of the systems, was a way to reaffirm the united states commitment to polish security. it was in this environment that the obama administration announced its about-face on missile defense last week. the timing of the announcement was not a surprise for several reasons. the quadrennial defense reviews had not been completed. over the past month, the administration has withheld final decisions on several other national security items on the basis that they were not completed. it would appear that at least a portion of the npr was acc

>> nothing wrong with having good relations with russia. the problem is that it shouldn't come at the expense of the defense of the united states. >> i'm trying to get -- let me go to you. who are you afraid of? the iranians or the russians in terms of missile attack? who is our primary threat? >> i would be much more concerns about the iranians. that's why we want to get immediate capability out there. if i could, michael. if i could. the problem is it doesn't take into account, this is assuming signed ratifications with the czechs. a sand supplementation agreement. and a requirement that nothing can be built until the two states' gbi is tested. that won't be until 2012. 2017 before you can even do that. >> you can't deny the president said, it is rate up on the white house website. with respect to russia, you have to understandful this is a defensive system. russia is requesting that we abandon a defensive system. why would they do that? i don't know. but i don't think they have asking us to abandon a defensive system is in our best inter

in line with russia. wrong says the secretary of state. >> it was about iran and the threat that its ballistic missile program poses. and because of this position, we believe we will be in a far stronger position to deal with that threat and to do so with technology that works. >> reporter: missile defense is not dead, says hillary clinton. >> we are not, quote, shelving missile defense. we are deploying missile defense sooner than the bush administration planned to do so. and we are deploying a more comprehensive system. >> reporter: what about poland and the czech republic? the two-countries where the system was supposed to be built? a polish tabloid blares the u.s. sold us to russia and stabbed us in the back. >> we would never, never walk away from our allies. >> reporter: to critics who claim mr. obama's decision puts america's position to risk, hillary clinton says think again. >> no mistake, if you support missile defense as i did as a senator for eight years, then this is a stronger and smarter ap

is coming from russia and china. let's take you to germany now, live, where angela merkel is addressing her supporters. [applause] >> thank you very much, indeed, for the applause coming from all around. thank you. i will open up the press conference with the chairwoman of the cdu, with mr. [unintelligible] and the chairwoman of the city. ladies and gentlemen, we have had a meeting with the executive committee of the party. the mood is very good. there is a high degree of contempt with the results of the general lections. the fact that we have achieved governmental change, this is a tremendous challenge for us, leading to a new direction fo. we have a high degree of consent and agreement that with this result week, of course -- with this result we get a tremendous vote of trust coming from the voters. a smaller coalition party, with at that we have a chance, an opportunity, one that we want to use in this economic time to create new employment, state guard employment, push forward growth. -- safecard employment, push

for starting the war, one thing is clear, russia one, georgia lost. -- russia won, georgia lost. the report will do nothing to change that. >> sharp differences in the international approach to afghanistan have burst into the open with the sacking of the deputy in for a pen that has been removed after he made -- have burst into the open after the sacking of a deputy envoy after his criticism of the afghanistan election. what have you heard about th? >> the secretary general said that peter galbraith was being recalled in the best interest of the mission. there has been a public fight between mr. galbraith and his boss, kai eide. peter galbraith wanted the election commission to investigate and to take a much tougher line and kai eide wanted to leave the commission to do their work and to avoid the appearance of interference. what we have been told is that it is believed that kai eide took sides with hamid karzai and accused him of takingeses. >> does this have implications for u.s. policy? >> the u.n. says that this is a personality clash and will not affect the election. they wi

this decision was not about russia. it was about i ran and the threat their missile program possesses. we believe we will be in a higher degree of confidence that what we pledge to do we can tultly deliver. my name reason for being here today is to give you a brief review of our a againeda from last month. i saw a cartoon from the new yorker. the caption read. it's a birthday card. siep it and pass it on. i hope we can demonstrate that the united nations does not have to be just a diplomatic talk shop. at its best, it can be an insurance tooks to bring the world together to adhere to the rules and principals. it is the responsibility of the 192 nation to capitolize on the responsibility that the united nation affords to each of us. by building and strengthening partnership, we can forge a global incentive to all nations to cooperate and live up to their responsibilities united nations and this month's general assembly for this to work together and abide by international rules and security. i have in my office a picture

perhaps the two biggest players we're looking at are russia and iran. obama says there is a different threat from iran. we have to change our weapons technology. >> there is no evidence the intelligence has shifted. today i was speaking to representatives from defense and the indicated it is not a diminished threat. anybody who watches the news says iran is progressing in, missile capability, and nuclear capability, that would pose a terrible threat. , the focus should be on the short term and more medium range missiles? >> not really. it is a false choice. iran is pursuing both. our goal should be to pursue defenses in most areas. the plan he just scrapped was one that would have provided the united states the defenses it needs but also europe the medium protection it deserves. >> you feel there is no justification for scrapping this. do you think is appeasing moscow? >> it is an odd strategy. the president is entering into the start negotiations. russia has made it clear they wanted this concession. he has gotten nothing in concern. he wants russia to

so, with russia, the u.s. briefed russia on everything over the last 48 hours and my understanding from some sources that i talked to about this is that russia was shocked by this and they're very upset because the iranians kept this from them and they've been out there defending the iranians. they have been briefed in the last 24 hours and they are digesting it. we may not hear from them maybe until tomorrow. >> all right, chuck, thanks so much. we'll look forward to your reporting all day and on nbc nightly news today. a busy day in pittsburgh. >>> today's charges put iran on the defensive leading into next week's direct talks with the five members of the u.n. permanent security council plus germany. that taking place in geneva next week. with us now, co-chairman and ce of the nuclear threat initiative and the former democratic senator from georgia and chairman of the armed services committee. a lot to digest, not only for china, but all of us. going into this diplomacy, what are the next diplomatic steps? >

in tonight's lead foc, the reacon from russia and beyd. we start our rorting with itn's samira ahmed. >> to protect the u.s. homeland -- >> reporter: a sn of weakness or fresh start for americ-russian relatis? nato'secretary-general announced today that psident obama's ange of plan on the missile defense shield washe latter. >> it is possible for to and ruia to make a new beginning and tonjoy a far more productive relatiohip in the future. we shoulexplore the potential for linkinthe u.s. nato and russn missile defense systems at an appropriate time. >> reporter: russia's president medvedev welcomed the decisn last nit. and pre minister putin called it a "corrt and brave decision," adding at he expect further warming of relations with the u.s., enabling russia,azakhstan and belaruto join the world trade organization. a new tone has emerged from noh korea, too, overnight. ju months after defying a ban to test fi long-range ballistic missiles and an undergund nuclear test, president kim jong-il s told a chinese envoy they wanto restart negoti

and where china and russia stood on this issue. so suddenly if you have russia aboard, the hope among those in the white house is that that will bring a reluctant china. they're still acting very reluctantly and they're not -- that's where i think jamie could be right in china may not be ready to go with as tough as sanctions at the u.s. would hope for. i tell you, on one hand they talk about north korea. say, we have the chinese on board some of the toughest sanctions against north korea anybody has gotten out of the chinese in a long time. that's fine. iran is going to turn into a domestic political fight in this country. the pressure the president is going to feel on this front is different than north korea. you're going to see congressional democrats -- today, joe lieberman, evan bayh put out joint statements today about their feelings on iran. hawkish statement. message to the president about getting tough. there could be bipartisan bills that come out of congress with a lot of teeth. a lot of sanctions in it that could pop up

>> stalin made russia great. he turned a peasant country, as the legend goes, into a great industrial nation. and russians who were after '91, after the collapse of commune nichl, felt very much unappreciated by everybody around them. they felt that they were the victims of history and all of a sudden president putin came back and brought that greatness back to russia. and his predecessor was allegedly josef stalin. we love him for that today. >> right. and his sort of enduring appeal for the average russian would be what? >> as i said, i mean, it's all about the russian greatness. russia is very big on its grandiose position in the world. it considers itself a separate civilization. and russians like to think of themselves this way. they believe with stalin and with putin today, they were brought back -- they now have the world position they rightly, they believe, deserve. >> just recently, aleksandr solzhenitsyn's work "the gulag archipelago" has become part of the high school curriculum in russia. what do you

series of meetings this week in which russia said that it's actually willing to put more pressure on iran on its nuclear weapons programs. is there a connection here in the two decisions do you think? >> well, this gets back to the timing of this decision. the administration went out of its way to tell us they have within reviewing this policy for seven months. they have had countless meetings and conversations and dialogues with allies and certainly. >> and they have been telegraphing that they're going to change the policy. >> absolutely. under the no surprise theory. poland and the czech republic knew a new decision was coming. but why now? why to time this decision on the 70th anniversary of the soviet invasion of eastern poland, why would you time this six days before a bilateral meeting between the president and the russian president. the administration said no connection, no connection, but the timing looks so suspicious. >> are the russians going to be satisfied by this ultimately? missiles i'm told will eventually go into poland at some point is the intention. >> well, in th

sold us to russia and stabbed us in the back" and then the czech republic," no radar, russia won. i urge the administration to take every step necessary and -- above and beyond proceeding forward with the planned newspaper european missile defense strategy to not down play the long-range iranian threat and reassure our allies. also i think it is worth noting the czech republic currently have nato forces deployed as well as 100 personnel deployed in kandahar. the polish currently have 2,000 troops in afghanistan. i'll be very interested in the future to see how firmly the poll asks the czechs stand -- and the czechs stand behind those commitments and there is very little doubt in most of very little doubt in most of the world that this is viewed as an attempt to gain russian concessions on the iranian nuclear issue. that's the interprepassion. -- interpretation. it's said, it's not what you do it's what you appear to do. i am sure that the witnesses today will make a strong technical casing for abandonment of the long-range missiles to short and medium range missile defenses. i hav

this is something russia didn't want. russia will be happy this isn't there. somehow this will embolden them at a time when russia has been so aggressive internationally. >> one, the russians are pleased with this. they see this as a return to rationality. they never thought this system made much sense. they did see it as a threat to russia. the system did have some capability against russia. they are pleased, no question about it. and there will be some politicians in russia that will crow about it. some are concerned about the obama plan. my friend in college is complaining -- is warning about this plan in an article in "the washington post" website tonight saying that this system, if it proceeds the way obama wants could be a bigger threat to russia than the bush plan. the reason is simple. bush -- as long as it's a few interceptor missiles on cruisers and destroyers off the coast of iran, not much of a threat. if it multiplies the way secretary gates and general cartwright laid out, you could have hundreds of interceptors on dozens of ships with extremely

the other is russia. we have been relying on russia as the linchpin. russia has been a stumbling block. they have huge economic relationships with iran, particularly in the energy sector. by the way, they have had more than 500 advisors inside iran for years assisting the iranians to put together fissile material. and our ham fisted way trying to engendered support in the international arena has worked either with the vice president of the united states going to the republic of georgia insinuating areas russia would prefer, geographical areas russia would prefer we stay out of, omega veiled threats. we can't do that anymore. we either have to do something about this threat economically or prepare to do something militarily. >> okay. senator casey, i want to ask both of you in terms of a timetable. senator, when do you think a timetable -- how long do we wait to see if any potential sanctions be imposed, be they coming october 1st or shortly thereafter? how long do we wait to see their affect before taking further action? >> that's a difficult question

russia has shown vest in influencing them. once the gbi system in the czech republic were to be established. it has the capability, a very minimal capability against a missile or two that can't handle any decoys whatsoever. that's why it is useless against a very sophisticated adversary like russia. now, when you sit back, we can work with russia and have worked with it very well to try to bring it well to work against north korea in the past. this is truly how political military relationships should be done. enhancing our capability by moving russia to help us with iran. a great move. >> clearly a defensive system. we should not be abandoning it. we should not be conceding to russia before we even start negotiating. >> thank you very much. congressmanmen. joe sestak running for the senate in pennsylvania. >>> up next, "saturday night live" takes a whack at congressman joe wilson, the guy who yelled "you lie" to president obama on the house floor. stick around for "the sideshow." [ ring ] [ "catch the wind" plays ] what is the

and his so of enduring aeal for the arage russia woulde what? >> a i said, i men, it's all about e russian greatness. ssia is very big on its grandiose position in the world. it considers itself a serate civilizati civilizationrussians like to think of themselves this way they believe wit stalin and with puin tod, they were brought back -- theyow have the world position they rightly they belie, deserve. >>ust recently alsandr solzheniyn's work "t gulag aripelago" has become part of the hi school curriculum in russia. at do you thinkis bend that? >> i so think that this is part of thisreat aeal of ruia's great because his history books, foexampe, aise josef stin. yocan imagine the kids coming t of the new historybooks since 2006, the kids are coming out of th history lesson learning stalin was areat manager of the soet state in the '30snd '40s and '50s. they go intohe literature class where they read about the gulags and people perisheand proseced. so i believen some ways,it actually does not create ultimately doesn'treate a culture of greatss bu

some say it is a victory for russia but others say it is a victory for russia. what is napolitan nancy pelosif these days? how long can a woman keep a secret? chances are bill schulz already told you the answer. >> greg: unnecessary but true. thanks, andy. go away, andy. let me welcome our guests, a andrea tantera. she is so hot she can frame boil aburger in her arm pit. and sitting next to me, bill hemmer, seen week day mornings at 9:00 a.m. eastern on fox news channel. he is so sharp, women prefer using him to shave their legs. and our "new york times" correspondent. >> congratulations on 600 episodes, greg. i'm at 60,000 issues but whatever! >> greg: thanks. house speaker nancy pelosi is afraid of what you ask, another al-qaeda attack? iran getting nuked? a bad shipment of botox. no, no and, of course. what really worries pelosi is you, america. she is worried that speaking out against her and obama's government could toledo violence and mayhem. feast your eyes, eye feasters. >> i have concerns about some of the language that is being used because i saw this

are russia and china on board? when will president obama decide on whether to send more troops to afghanistan? we'll ask secretary of state hillary clinton and then we'll get reaction from senator lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, and member of the armed services committee. but first secretary clinton on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs "face the nation" with cbs news chief washington correspondent bob schieffer. and now from washington, harry smith. >> smith: good morning. today the iranian military conducted missile tests in the wake of friday's suning news about the secret nuclear facility. we spoke with secretary of state clinton friday afternoon. madam secretary, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us. >> thank you, harry smith the president said about the secret facility that's been uncovered in iran that it is inconsistent with a peaceful nuclear program. what does the united states think this secret facility is for? >> well, we believe that it is a covert facility d

but of course, is devil is in the details with both regard to russia and china. everybody knows you can't get the sanctions you want without them on board. so the question is, how tough sanctions would russia and china be willing to go along with. and there's something of a balancing act, too. i mean they don't have want to have sanctions that are so onerous that they provoke a backlash within the iranian street. at a moment where frankly there's a real power struggle there, there's a fragile protest movement the. so those are all the competing factors that will be on the administration's mind as it heads to geneva next week. >> if the president wanted to know what's in the afghanistan report, he could read the "washington post," watch nbc and all the other networks. everyone knows what's in the report. so i was a little surprised by the defense secretary saying i'm not going to give it to him. is that going to give him deniability so he doesn't have to make a decision on troop strength? it seems a little bit artificial. >> reporter: it seems to be form over func

peaps the two biggest players we're looki at are russia and iran. obama says theres a different threat from iran. we have to change our weapons technology. >>here is no evidence the intelligence has shifted. today i wa speaking to representativesrom defense and the indicated it is not a diminished threat. anybody who watches the news says iran is progreing in, missile capability, and nuclear capability that would pose a terrible threat. , the focus should be on the short term and mormedium range missiles? >> not really. it is aalse choice. iran is pursug both. our goal should be to pursue defenses in mo areas. the plan he just scrapped was one that woulhave provided the united stat the defenses it needs bu also europehe medium ptection it deserves. >> you feel there no jtification for scrapping this. do you think is appeasing moscow? >> iis an odd strategy. the presiden is enteng into e start negotiations. ruia has made it clear they wanted this conceion. heas gotten nothing in concern. he wants russia to be more active in persuading iran from its p

why is it if it's no threat to russia that russia should be asking or we should be conceding, do you really think the administration is going to be able to advance our security by putting our missile defense system down for russia? mr. franks: well, i absolutely do not. i mean, we've had a lot of russian belligerence lately, as you know, and they've spoken against this for a long time. but reports surfaced in march of this year that the president was going to offer russia a promise that the united states would not build the missile defense site if moscow would -- that was the so-called equation. but you have to recall that russia was actually the one who's already delivered nuclear fuel to iran and they were the one that paid $800 million to help build the power plant in iran that could have implications for building fissile material in the future. and this week, i think is important to put in, hugo chavez purchased $200 billion in arms from russia, including rocket technology and has now declared that venezuela will get started on a nuclear program with iran's help. so this is kind

on tuesday, there were held to a draw in russia, held in barcelona take sole control. it certainly is an equalizer. the 19-year-old scored both of the goals against liverpool. in group three, four different scorers. only 13 and a half thousand showed up. and the man knew it scored eight equalizer. let's hear now from the manager. >> statistics show that the champions no. 1 again the following year, or the previous champions have gone not. not the quarterfinals. not the semifinals. you are out. it is difficult because you're the champions and you think you can get by with a little less efforts. everyone is gunning for you and that is when you get knocked out. >> later this week, a big meeting. byron, now coached by that man on the left. and the other game in that group will be an interesting one. the german champions played the inclose champions, of manchester united. brilliant players indeed. you could see them scoring. >> getting back to baseball, why do we call it a pinch hitter? >> he is a designated hitter. he does not have to do anything else in the game. comes in

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and russia. the obama administration is expected to use a portable system to defend against short and medium range missile attacks. we expect more from secretary robert gates at 10:30 a.m. eastern time. >>> former vice president dick cheney is at george washington university hospital for elective surgery. cheney has what's known as lumbar spinal stenosis, a flareowing of the canal due to aging. >> thank you very much, contessa. much more ahead here this hour of the morning meeting. should we be insuring illegal immigrants? touched off by representative joe wilson's "you lie" outburst. new york magazine has the argument why illegals should be insured. the reason that is next. ♪ wels shopping for a new car, ♪ ♪ which one's me - a cool convertible or an suv? ♪ ♪ too bad i didn't know my credit was whack ♪ ♪ 'cause now i'm driving off the lot in a used sub-compact. ♪ ♪ f-r-e-e, that spells free credit report dot com, baby. ♪ ♪ saw their ads on my tv ♪ thought about going but w

how is this about appeasing russia? >> it is about apaegz russia. don't forget we are not going to be able to do anything about enforcing any of the restrictions on iran or prevent them from developing nuclear weapons without russia's help. as a matter of fact, russia's got lots of advisers in iran help them develop nuclear when pops and until we get russia on our side that is not going to happen. we are not going to be able to squeeze iran. this goes a long way to getting russia to get on our side to assist in stopping iran from what it's doing. >> people care about using the word appeasing russia? isn't this about not angering them further? >> well, we certainly did anger them. the last administration did two things which angered russia. >> yeah. >> and got them much more paranoid than they usually are. the first was getting all the eastern european countries into nato. the second was fielding this weapons system or trying to field this weapons system. i don't -- i don't think apiece though is necessarily the wrong word to use. they are much more

now, with russia taking sides with international community, and president obama, that means there is not going to be any s-300 delivered to iran. so, firing the shahaab-3 with the range of 2,000 kilometers, quite capable of targeting israel, is in a way a show to say that even without the s-300s, iran is capable of defending its territory. and i have no doubt that shahaab-3 will be tested in the next few hours. >> jamie: live with us from tehran, coming up, too, we'll talk about the white house's call now to inspect those facilities. that is coming up, later in the show, thank you so much for being with us. eric. >> caller: thank you, madame. >> eric: jamie, eastern has a deadline, open up the -- iran has a deadline, open up the nuclear site to inspectors with in three weeks and you have three months to completely come clean about the program or face possible new and much stricter sanctions and will iran do that and -- or continue to stonewall and could it bring it closer to what many say is tehran's ultimate goal and that, an islamic nuclear bomb and joining us is fox news contribut

russia and the u.s. have between than 90% of the world's nuclear weapons, so naturally they are going to have to be out there in front to start with. but in terms of where the initiative comes from, it was the u.k. government that really started to spearhead the initiative, round about two years ago, the last major speech of the foreign -- of the former foreign secretary, who really put this on the agenda. ever since then the u.k. has been active behind the scenes in moving the agenda for word with the united states. >> turning attention to the others, if you like -- we can talk about iran and north korea of course, but we cannot do this without mentioning whether israel, india, pakistan, however long the unofficial list is -- are they all going to be brought into this? >> not immediately. the defacto nuclear-weapons states -- they are being asked to do things like not proliferate nuclear-weapons by the resolution, but what this resolution is really geared at are the non-nuclear weapons states, not iran