go around max baucus. in order to stick with baucus for a while, he gave him a chance. he's had enough. he wants to move this legislation. it's time for the obstructionists to get out of the way so the american people can see this get done. >> we've seen this olympic talk over the weekend, the conservatives, the gop being very negative, pinning it on obama as a failure. i can just -- >> very patriotic of them. >> i can just imagine what it's going to sound like if he doesn't get the health care reform he wants, meaning the public option and meaning some kind of guaranteed competition for the private sector. so with that and the job numbers not where they want them to be and it may go to 10%, may two to 10.5%, greenspan is talking about that into next year, how much political capital, how much arm twisting does president obama have to do at this particular time down the stretch on health care? >> as much as he can. this is for all the marbles right now. this is extraordinairely important. the olympics is not important. this is. he will do what it takes. he's very engaged

we will not vote for the baucus tax on health insurance companies. this, they agree with chuck grassley on. it will be passed on to the consumer. there are no price controls on these health insurance companies. they will be hit with a 40% tax. grassley is right in reading they will pass the 40% tax directly on to the consumer or increase premiums. the nutty thing about this is that you can be sending this massive regimen into the health insurance industry and there's not a word, not a word, not a thought about price controls in the health insurance industry. they can do whatever they want after this law is passed. when you get to the pay for, it's one-fourth of baucus' money comes from a plan the house rejected. the senate is afraid of taxing income, which is how the house has done it so far. it's the cleanest thing to tax. that would be the honest and clean way to go. senators are afraid of voting for what the house committee voted for. they are completely lost in terms of which way to go on taxation. >> go with the plan that doubles the problem and

baucus plans to focus on the patient privacy language while ignoring the mandate language. let's turn to the former choef of staff "huffington post" contributor. lawrence o'donnell. school based health clinics with mandatory parental information. >> according to michelle's definition, the house clinic that you were talking about earlier would be the congressional sex clinic where she and other female members of congress can go and get abortions in the afternoon, and then as she put it, be home for dinner with no one ng the difference. she went on imagining what it would be lake for these kids to come home from school with an abortion and the parents don't know it. so she is off the deep end once again. >> why is she boston wherg they are doing such a good job for her as we discussed? the nearest we've been able to narrow it down, who brought up the idea of putting people in jail for not buying this worst health care plan we have currently, is that it came in the mark-up from the gang of six. so it could be any one of those turkeys. >> when i was working for senator moynihan

. >>> which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow, mad max and the baucus caucus, prepare their final stages of their betrayal, the finance committee will finish debate intimately but not vote until next week to give republicans time to study the bill. the timeshares to mack, the truth of democratic sellouts to the health care industries is not enough for michelle backman, she is back to telling the guys god told her to tell. >> now the federal government is going the final step and they're saying, let's put sex clinics in our schools, can you believe this? >> well you said it, of course i can't believe it. >>> republicans for the public option, including dr. charles bus flood insurance, potentialism that helps people bad, socialism that helps prod, good. >>> sarah palin has a winner at bookstores, one problem, her co-author, her last project is defending his god which is better than a muslim's god and she called the democrats the party of treasure son and subversion. >>> gingrich gives -- and you'll never believe who just drew the birthers and loathsome rules. >> warning

what is this baucus bill? well, what it's not, there is no option in this for a government-run insurance plan. instead, it sets up co-ops to broker private insurance. there was a concession to republicans in hopes of winning bipartisan support. if the bill pass, a lot of work will have to be done before health care reform actually reaches the president. the finance committee still has to be blended with the versions passed by the senate health, education, labor and pension committees. so a long way to go. >>> people are bracing for a strong pacific storm. they're passing out sandbags in the bay area because they're expecting maybe up to 4 inches of rain by tomorrow in the bay area. >> i often have a trip under the door in the back and i just put in a brand-new floor. >> there could be serious mudslides especially in parts of southern california that have been ravaged by wildfires. >>> let's talk about the southeast now. getting soaked again this week. parts of georgia and alabama were under flood warnings yest

buy their health insurance or go to jail, courtesy max baucus. to parody my grandma, i suppose i have no choice but to shove the umbrella up my backside but you're going to have a fight on your hands when you try to open it. states can form their own public options but it will be limited to people with incomes of 133% and 200% of the federal poverty level who do not get insurance at work. >>> speaker pelosi says a federal plan will be sent to the floor. and boehner proved he knows next to nothing about anything. >> i'm still trying the first american to talk to who's in favor of the public option, other than a member of congress or the administration. i have not talked to one. i get to a lot of places. i have not had anyone come up to me and lobby for the public option. this is about as unpopular as a garlic milk shake. >> mr. boehner needs to get out of the tanning salon more often. a recent pole shows that voters in his own state, that's ohio, sir, in case you've forgotten. buying from a public plan or private health insurers, that's what's cal

james, you're saying the $829 billion cost for baucus care is not true. it's really $1.5 trillion in brief take us to $1.5 trillion. >> first, you have to recognize that the bill that senator baucus is proposing assumes $200 billion in physician fee cuts that no one believes is going to occur. they have $200 billion in spending you know is going to occur that they didn't account for. they're shifting at least $100 billion to the state governors. they're not going to take it. they're going to force congress at some point to pay for all these entitlements themselves. and then you have this one provision that says we're going to give away a massive new entitlement but only to people who give their insurance. there is about 130 million people between 100 and 4 hundred hn above poverty. they want to give away this entitlement. they're only going to give it to 15 to 20 million people. and then force everybody else, literally another 80 or 100 million people just to buy insurance without any new additional assistance. many of who can't really afford what they're

if you can't pay your medical bill, max baucus has a plan. >> i want the bill. >> so send max baucus your health care bill! all of them! >> and why not? because colbert is highlighting the $3.2 million max baucus collected from the health insurance industry and he suggests that baucus would be able to help those who aren't able to afford their health care. >> he is on to something. no competition, no choice whatsoever for anybody so god bless him. nice to see we know who is in control anyway. you got anything else? >> that's it. >> we're back here at the "morning meeting." david brooks taking on rush lame baugh. mccain's campaign manager saying palin would ab disaster. can the gop be saved and can they save our country from the corporate communists? i think maybe they can actually. we're back an after this. you've worked all your life. as the decades have past, the promise of medicare has always been there. and aarp has fought to guarantee none of the benefits you earned were ever taken away. today we're continuing that fight by protecting your freedom to choose the doctors and treat

but we're not dealing with that in the baucus bill. we're raising $1 trillion somewhere else so we can continue business as usual with respect to defensive medicine and malpractice awards within our present system. so the new car, no better than the old car. costing us a lot more money, but it's no better than the old car. are we getting coverage of the 47 million americans that we hear about over and over again in the debate? when they say that the whole purpose we have to understake this is that we have 47 million americans who do not have health care coverage, are we getting them taken care of? do we have room for them in the new car? well, not really according to the paper this morning we're going to get 29 of the 47 million taken care of, which means roughly 20 million left out. we can go into the details of who the 47 million are and, as we do, we find out it is a very mixed bag of people who are just passing through that category, people who deliberately choose not to be there. if we're spending $1 trillion just to get to 29 mil

that's certainly what chairman baucus needs to do and wants to do. everybody is waiting for one of the most important scores we will see all season, the cbo number, bigger than the super bowl, bigger than the final results at the world series. when you are on capitol hill that tells you how much will it cost? how close to deficit-neutral might it be? it tells us everything in terms of big numbers that we need on this baucus blueprint for health care that should come within a couple of days and then all of the senators on the committee will get a chance to read it over, take a look, see if there are any surprise there is and then cast their votes a big priority for democrats is to get everybody to fall in line. david? >> kelly, there was some interesting sound from chuck schumer who is on the committee, the democrat from new york, explain, put it in context for us and lead us to that. >> reporter: strategy here, the public option, we know it didn't pass the finance committee. chuck schumer of snork a huge proponent of it. to keep that conversation goi

the baucus bill is loose change, folks. it's a hoodwink. there are some good things in it, i'll grant you that. getting rid of the preexisting conditions, limiting premium prices, yet i got to see more fine print on that. taxing cadillac plans for the rich. but the baucus bill only covers 94% of the people. it leaves 25 million people uninsured. hold it right there. this means that 25 million people are still going to be storming emergency rooms looking for coverage and where do you think costs are going to go? you got to say focused and get everybody covered. there are going to be a drag on the system. as we've been told by wendell potter, this is nothing but a big gift to the insurance industry. here are more customers and uncle sam is going to be paying for them. the government is paying you to pay private insurance companies. that's supposed to be a deal? they're not looking for any change here. this isn't reform. this is a sellout. the house is floating, an interesting area to fix a lot of stuff. nancy pelosi said democrats are looking

>> what senator baucus, it's interesting. he said if we could do it all over again, we sure would not use my bill. and he is right. but what others have been trying to offer is a bridge between a system that doesn't work and one that does. and there is a difference. it's one that has been underplayed in the debate between a health care expansion where we put more money into the system so it reaches more people and a health care reform. one of the things about wyden's plan is that it's a reform. it moves you towards a different system. if we think this does not work, we change it. the one where we funnel money to people that don't have it now and put them in a closed off space so they can get insurance in the system, but for awful us, the bulk of us, we don't change it at all, that's an expansion. it won't hold down the cost long term, because the problem is the system is inefficient and cost too much money and then we will not change it and spend more money, and you are making it less cruel and covering more money, but you ar

what was in this amendment that moved max baucus and kent conrad? >> i think, ed, we hit the sweet spot. that is to say we are going to provide leverage by giving states the opportunities to opt in and they are going to do it by negotiating with private insurers. so you're taking the best of practises that exist today to drive down insurance prices. when we put that on the table, people saw that is what has happened in my state and what we can deliver for americans. >> give us an example, what is happening in your state, is there one company that has the bulk of the business, is that what it is? >> no, what happens is someone -- if you think about it, individuals right to go and negotiate with insurers, they're not getting anywhere. so when you come in with a big population, as we have done in washington state, and say the state is going to negotiate and you want access to this 100,000 people, you better give us the best price, that kind of negotiations have driven down the price 30% to 40%. so we want to see that same type of leverage used against

i understand that at last count, there has been over 160 put forth an amendment to baucus. democrats have voted and have allowed into the bill by and large by any of the democratic amendments better put forth. the committee is more stocked with democratic votes. the republicans are trying to thwart them. i would also like to say the biggest problem i say, -- host: we need to wrap this up. caller: why are they allowing that the baucus bill before it leaves the finance committee, saying it would have to be put forth in full legislative language. guest: i understand. that is a great question. that is the complexity -- you asked about the process. the health committee puts it in the form to debate. they always put it in a kind of a discussion document, very detailed. you understand what you're talking about in each section of the code. i think there was an effort to put it in a form and then put it on the website. as much as we can put on the website, absolutely. that bill will go to the finance folks to score it. they would give us a financial cost to it. then we will get it i

the only way that we will get there is something like the original max baucus plan. i do not know if this new plan will do it. shepard: by way of example only, my brother owns an ice-cream store. it is not as busy as it used to be. not as easy as it used to be. were a government to set up not- for-profit ice-cream stores, that would be it. my brother and his family would have to close down. if all of the ice-cream stores had to close down, they would go down in quality and up in price. why is that not what would happen but a government option? i am not saying that is what i believe, but there are millions of americans who see this as black and white, for-profit going out of business. all we are left with is not for profit. health care costs go up, health care goes down. >> in massachusetts these insurance plans are not for profit and they make plenty of profit. i belong to one. as someone who works in a private company. my health care is from a non- profit company. they provide the public option in massachusetts. i do not know if there is a way to bring it without co

i'm sure questions are going to rise whenever the baucus bill gets to the senate floor, questions are going to rise about cost containment which is still a very real issue. >> clarence, the president likes to say we have 80% agreement on this legislation, but of course there's absolutely no agreement among the democrats, especially between the senate and the house on how to pay for the bill, which is 50% of the bill, and do you see any movement from speaker pelosi's side that they're moving closer to the baucus formula of taxing health cutting medicaid by $500 million and not going what charlie wrangle proposed on the other side. >> she's listening very carefully to all the facts here, but whether or not there's actual movement in that direction right now, it's hard to tell. because there's really -- so much wrangling still going on. i think she is going to try to put some kind of cost containment in there before it gets to the conference phase. exactly how they're going to do it, though, still isn't very clear. >> now, clarence, doesn't senator -- former senator bill frist suddenly s

sean: the baucus bill will be it? >> it has to be married with the other bill, the old kennedy bill, the dodd bill but mainly the baucus bill. there are 300 amendments out there and some will pass but not many. sean: $1 trillion? >> $800 billion, the house bill is $1.6 trillion, none of which, half of which is paid for but the paid-fors are coming back cutting medicare. sean: this is important, the american people show in the polls it had its lowest approval rating except for the poll today but the american people have shown they don't want this, they don't trust the government, so now the democrats, they've got the 60 votes but they're not going to get the 60 votes. so they're going to now bypass the normal legislative process, use what's called reconciliation, now, what are the ramifications? >> what it is, in 2003, i publicly said we're not going to use reconciliation on a very large health bill some people don't think is a good bill, i love the bill, prescription drugs for seniors. we say we're not using reconcili

what is the likelihood that reid will down the votes and say it wasn't with max baucus, but with the plan, it will be there. >> if you read the body look, the public statements and he go we're getting from the majority leader's office, what he talked about is a bill that can pass. when you look at his history, he's been a vote counter in the senate for a long time. a deal maker. that's a big part of the job. he believes at least where we sit right now, that the votes are not there for a public option. the house certainly has a lot more interest in it and perhaps the white house can weigh in one way or another and give everybody on capitol hill some final direction. but if you look at everything harry reid is saying, it does not appear a public option is likely. >> we saw the collegiality at the end. what was your favorite moment of all the we're stuff that happened? >> i'm so glad you asked. i watched hours and hour and hours of this. sort of a geek who likes these thing. i had fun. twice they sang happy birthday to fellow memberful to hear chuck grassley singing happy birthday to ki

we heard chuck todd telling us about the cbo scoring the baucus bill and that could determine which way senator snowe goes on there. >> yes. a real concern remains among senator snowe, the one republican looking to vote for a health care reform bill out of the senate and, obviously, moderate centrist conservative democrats whose ultimate goal is keep this around 900 billion and make sure the bill cuts costs. if you cover more people you're not cutting costs enough. that is the balance they are trying strike between the conservative and liberal wings of their parties and senator snowe joins the conservative democrats in that concern that the bill really has to cut costs and stay affordable. >> i want to shift gears here. we need to talk about afghanistan as well. you have your paper reporting the house liberals floating a bill to prohibit more troops being sent into afghanistan. what can you tell us about that? >> the thing is president obama undoubtedly is under the pressure from the liberal wing of his party on a host of issues, most of them domestic, from car check, a favorite of the

that said they will vote absolutely for the baucus tax in it? >> no, we won't. america expects us to go ahead and reach a conclusion anyway. we have to move ahead to save people's lives and save money. >> if you had to choose between those two taxes, which way would you go on it? >> the bill in the house is paid for. we don't need to tax people, middle class people over their benefits, it's not necessary, it's really not prudent, people are suffering and we understand that in the house. there's no need to make their suffering worse, this bill is supposed to make people's lives better, and it will. the 47 million people who have no insurance, they'll get insurance. the people who have insurance but they find they have all the health care they need unless they need it, the people who have pre-existing conditions, the people who have lifetime caps, chronic conditions, all these people will be better off under this bill and senior citizens will be better off because we'll eliminate the doughnut hole and the -- the people who say no to everything, th

the baucus bill did that. trace: that is the problem. everyone is concerned this means more taxes, taxing health benefits. just means more money from your pocket. >> this is a real concern. one of the ironies is this was about to be -- supposed to be about controlling costs. but if you put all of these new taxes on insurance companies, americans will be picking that up. we are likely to see more expensive insurance, not cheaper. trace: thank you. martha: tim is watching this miami situation. what are you seeing? after >> we, we are looking at you stand now. -- >> actually, we are looking at houston now. we have a description of the suspect who fled the scene after a robbery. he is believed to be in his fifties. the scene was not hectic, but there was a woman in distress who was taken to the hospital. martha: the possibility that we may see someone running around in a mask "studio b" is quite possible. shepard: their helicopter was giving me the dizzies. i like chasing things. i hope they get that situation under control. and if not, we w

marcus malitza joins me to talk mad max and the baucus caucus. and they're not praying deliver us, obama, they're praying deliver us, oh god. lou says that gave him chills down his spine. that might be the lumbego, lou! or visit boniva.com >>> i spent large parts of 27 of the last 30 days witnessing our health care system from the front lines. i can confirm there's madness in the health care debate. the madness is that there's any debate at all. i have met no one, no one from patients to administrators to families who thinks the current system works. let alone works well. no one even believes that the incredible financial burdens and fears are not interrupting the actual ability of patients to get better. yet, in our fourth story, a democratic-controlled senate committee could not get the damn public option passed. to recap, eight democrats supported the rockefeller amendment that would have supported a medicare-type public option. but all of them against it. joined by five democrats. the more moderate version of the public option by chuck schume

>> it does, but i don't think you'll see many republicans vote for anything like the baucus bill. possibly they might get olympia snowe of maine and maybe one or two possible other republicans, but i don't see this as being anywhere near a bipartisan bill in the end and i want it say something about this congressional budget office score because you know, paul, you and i have been in this game a long time and we know that what has been driving these enormous deficits that we've seen for the last ten and 20 years, and what's driving the forecasts of enormous deficits in the future is precisely run away entitlement. we create these programs and the costs gallop out of control and we simply can't get them under control. so this idea that somehow we're going to create this trillion dollar new entitlement and it's going to reduce the deficit, paul, that doesn't test the laugh test to me. >> on that point, they say they're going to get several hundred million dollars out of medicare. of course, without reducing any kind of quality of care, but they are going to do it. how do they manage

senator max baucus, kent conrad, blanch lincoln, tom carper, bill nelson. the amendment offered by chuck schumer also failed thanks to baucus, conrad and lincoln. it should be noted that when the gop was the majority party, he was more than willing to pass crucial legislation with a simple majority when necessary. in 1991, republicans passed 13% of legislation, the democrats passed about 7% of its bills without that 60-vote supermajority. the author of taking on the system, good evening. >> glad you're back and best of wishes to your father. >> do you think blanch lincoln. just as an example, has ever sat in a recovery room half praying for they loved one and half hoping they have the money to get through it. >> probably the most endangered senate democrat in 2010. so she's in a lot of trouble. two, the public option is very popular in arkansas, by a 3-2 margin, so you would think if you're sitting on the outside, you think, well, if you have trouble getting elected, do the popular thing and that will help you, right? lincoln votes against the public option

marcus malitza joins me to talk mad max and the baucus caucus. and they're not praying deliver us, obama, they're praying deliver us, oh god. lou says that gave him chills down his spine. that might be the lambago, lou. ♪ ( coughs ) ♪ ( sneezes ) we're making it easy for everyone to get their flu shot, no matter how small their motivation may be. ♪ come get yours for just $24.99. walgreens. there's a way to stay well. from that first dollar forward, cash flow isn't just an important thing to small business. it's everything. that's why pnc is introducing your new cfo, cash flow options designed to effectively improve your cash flow. cfo helps every dollar work harder. from the very first dollar to the last dollar of the day. get in touch with your new cfo. pnc. leading the way. call or click today. >>> spent large parts of 27 of the last 30 days witnessing our health care system from the front lines. i can confirm there's madness in the health care debate. the madness is that there's any debate at all. i have met no one, no one from patients

there's no question in my mind that baucus and some of the other democrats, conservative and moderate, and democrats in that committee are on the behest of the insurance industry, and this is one of the things they're up to. >> ironically enough, a poison pill in the middle of an insurance reform effort. craig, as always, thanks. >> that's "countdown" for this the 2,245th day since the previous president declared mission accomplished in iraq. i'm keith ownerman, good night and good luck. what you might call senator john ensign spent way too much time in the hamptons. ladies and gentlemen here is rachel maddow. >> now i'm never going to be able to get that out of my head, but thank you, keith. >> we already had the michelle bachman image from before. >> thanks for the nightmare. thanks, keith, and thank you at home for staying with us for the next hour, during which i can honestly tell you it is going from big to weird to big to weird again. senator brad is going to visit a foreign country in order to tell that country to resist the united states, then he has that trip canceled against

the outcome appeared inevitable with finance committee chairman max baucus declaring that he had the votes for approval of the bill, increasing president barack obama's to extend coverage to the uninsured. during the recess, we will hear from president obama of. he attended a fund-raiser to dave and talked about the health care plan -- he attended a fund- raiser today and talked about the tashealth care plan. >> we have home to thousands of entrepreneurs. all too often, the economic pioneers are made to give up on their dreams and some of them never follow up on them in the first place because of what it would cost them to provide health insurance for themselves and their families and potential employees. right now, the cost of covering an employee could be prohibitively expensive. a new study came yesterday from the robert wood johnson groups say what would happen in the next 10 years if we failed to enact health care insurance reform. under the worst-case scenario, businesses would see premiums more than double in [unintelligible] even under the best case scenario, employers would

there's no question in my mind that baucus and some of the other democrats, conservative and moderate, and democrats in that committee are on the behest of the insurance industry, and this is one of the things they're up to. >> ironically enough, a poison pill in the middle of an insurance reform effort. craig, as always, thanks. >> that's "countdown" for this the 2,245th day since the previous president declared mission accomplished in iraq. i'm keith ownerman, good night and good luck. now with the latest in the scandal we might call john ensign spent way too much time in the hamptons, ladies and gentlemen, here's rachel maddow. >> now i'm never going to be able to get that out of my head, but thank you, keith. >> we already had the michelle bachman image from before. >> thanks for the nightmare. thanks, keith, and thank you at home for staying with us for the next hour, during which i can honestly tell you it is going from big to weird to big to weird again. senator brad is going to visit a foreign country in order to tell that country to resist the united states, then he has that

that said they will vote absolutely for the baucus tax in it? >> america expects to go ahead and reach a conclusion anyway. of the five different democratic bills that are out there, they're 90% the same, and we have to move ahead to save people's lives and to save money. >> if you had to choose between those two taxes, which way would you go on it? >> the bill in the house is paid for. we don't need to tax people, middle class people over their benefits, it's not necessary, it's really not prudent, people are suffering and we understand that in the house. there's no need to make their suffering worse, this bill is supposed to make people's lives better, and it will. the 47 million people who have no insurance, they'll get insurance. the people who have insurance but they find they have all the health care they need unless they need it, the people who have preexisting conditions, the people who have lifetime caps, chronic conditions, all these people will be better off under this bill and senior citizens will be better off because we'll eliminat

the senate finance committee to vote on the baucus bill this week and once that measure is approved, senate majority leader harry reid can merge it with the one passed by the health committee. then by mid month, the full senate debate is expected to begin, but will the contentses of the bill satisfy progressive democrats pushes hard for a public option? i'm joined live by a senior health reporter with the "washington post" who is super busy these day. good morning. >> good sunday morning, alex. >> let's talk about where this is heading this week. what do you see happening when you've got the baucus bill being voted upon merging with harry reid's? >> well, there's going to be kind of boring numbers budget stuff that will be happening this week. we'll wait for congressional budget office just to make sure that the baucus bill is deficit-neutral has president obama has said he wanted and then it's really going to go behind closed doors for a period of time while as you pointed out they'll be merging the two different senate bills to try to get one bill to head to the senate floor in a f

baucus wouldn't put it in there the democrat proposal for a public option got defeated. claim the cantwell one wouldn't work. wyden, he gets defeated. what are the democrats going to do? hold their nose and go along with it? some of the provisions they lack? go along giving billions to for the for-profit insurance companies to cover more people or bolster this on the floor? we will see but frustrated. >> ask him next time if whether what they have now being passed is better than no bill at all as well. anyway, still ahead, david, the man who has been the talk of the town this week, congressman alan grayson. does he have any regrets? we will be talking to him live. >>> plus, more on today's huge decision for the 2016 summer olympics, the big party is going on in rio de janeiro in brazil. watching the big picture on msnbc. feeling, like i couldn't catch my breath. i couldn't believe i was actually having a heart attack. i remember being at the hospital, thinking about my wife. i should have done more to take care of myself. now i'm exercising, watching my diet, and i trust

committee chairman max baucus said he expects it will cost no more than $900 billion. in a sense, health care reform hit a milestone because never pu& the nation's health care system gone this far, its now on the verge of clearing five different congressional committees. in the closing hours of the senate finance mark up the committee. lowered penalties on americans who do not buy health insurance, from as much as $1,900 a year for a family, down to a maximum penalty of $200 which would could rise to as much as $800 over time. it came after an impassioned plea to lower penalties came from maine's olympia snowe, the one republican who might vote for the bill. >> i just don't understand why there's this impetus to keep driving it in this way to punish people, now i understand rationality behind individual mandates, certainly we should pay for those who don't have health insurance, but at the same time, it's not as if we >> but why couldn't the average family or the individual to pay ot county. >> reporter: the amendment also, in effect exempts 2 million people from the b

baucus' ten-year, $829 billion overhaul goes before the committee for a vote. the report goes on to say that by 2019, the new plan could raise the average family's plan by $4000. the white house came out saying this analysis was done by the insurance industry designed to reach a conclusion that benefits the industry. >>> a top health officials says you're beg off with a swine flu vaccine than without it. dr. anne schuch says it's higher than any potential risks linked to it. >> a lot of people are saying it's new, but it's important to say the seasonal flu is made chaktly the same way. so i think parents are wondering has this been tested? what i can say is everything we know now suggests a good profile for the vaccine. >>> british lawmakers had something new hanging over their heads, literally. dozens of greenpeace protesters camped out overnight at the roof of westminster. their message, change the politics, save the planet. some of the protesters came down on their own. a few others are still up there. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton met, she later ad

this is basically what the baucus bill will do in simple terms. it will widen coverage by creating cooperative. it will subsidize insurance for low income families. it will force you to get insurance or pay a fine. brian: that sounds simples but the plan isn't. if you read it even according to senator carper. i can't get through this thing. when i try to read it it doesn't make sense. here is the quote. steve: this is a passage. brian: shear passage from the bill and you read along at home. brian: that's self-explon tore. gretchen: huh? what's magi? steve: penalties if you don't have insurance. going to be a penalty if you don't have insurance. then suddenly the bill is only two pages long. gretchen: we have been asking for that one page primer, remember? that would make it a lot simpler for all of fuss it was on one page and we could figure out what it is about. we will continue to explain different passages throughout the show for you this morning. brian: peter johnson jr. will be here two hours from now right here live. steve: i'm sticking arou

gop members of the finance committee are looking for assurances from chairman baucus that they would have been a chance to review the legislation before the final bill is voted on by the full senate. chairman baucus said he would act in good faith and that members would have a chance to review the legislation mall the congressional budget office looks at it to determine the cost. it must happen before it goes to the senate floor. more work on amendments tomorrow morning at 10:30 a.m. eastern time. we will have live coverage on c- span3. >> for more information on the health-care debate, this is c- span's healthcare hub. you will find links and congressional budget office reports. you can also watch healthcare speeches and interviews. visit c-span.org and go to our featured links section. >> distracted drivers killed almost 6000 people and injured more than half a million in america last year according to transportation secretary ray lahood. his remarks on next on c-span. barbara boxer spoke to reporters about climate change and energy legislation. we will also hear from the bill's, a

it's still baucus' vision. a lot of amendments i would consider more of perfecting amendments, dialing up from color that dollars here and there trying to make it more affordable for consumers, but no dramatic change in the way it's constructed. >> deep divisions whether the government should sell insurance, in competition with private industries. where does the public option stand now? >> a big question in the next couple of weeks. senate majoritiy leader harry reid is in the middle of this, trying to pass a bill with a bill passed by the health committee a few months back. the biggest question he'll have to figure out is whether or not to include the public option in that bill he's going to bring to the senate floor or whether or not he's going to allow senators to vote on it later on in the process. right now we think that's completely up in the air. i really don't think we're going to know for a few more days. he's got to take into serious political calculations whether or not he can overcome a filibuster i

the finance committee chairman max baucus of schedule it for next week. it will be largely a formality. he is expected to round up enough votes to approve the estimated $900 billion bill. the choice in this election for governor is really pretty simple: do we move virginia forward by continuing the pro-business economic policies that i helped put in place... or do we go backwards with the failed economic approach that ruined our economy? creigh deeds knows keeping taxes low and controlling spending is the right way to keep virginia the best place to do business. and i agree. because rebuilding confidence in our economy starts with responsible leadership from a new governor like creigh deeds. >>> doctors and nurses in cape fear, north carolina have been dealing with a population explosion. 527 babies have been born at the same hospital in september, an average of 17 babies a day. this birthrate is not a record. officials say their biggest month was january of 1992. it was nine months after commanders and troops returned from the first gulf war. at that tim

by the way, baucus means no public option. joining us to discuss it is barney frank, representative from massachusetts and the chairman of the house financial services committee. congressman, what happened to the public option? >> well, i've been working mostly on the regulatory reform and i'm glad to say that we just earlier today finished work on the bill that required most of them to go on an exchange and that's a great event. the problem with the public option is the senate finance committee is a conservative committee than the senate as a whole. the committees are not absolute replicas of the whole senate. the public lost in that committee 1310. i believe that if you go to the whole senate, there would be a majority and then you don't have 60 and that's the dynamic they're fighting for and the question is the finance committee is one of the more conservative committees and the democrats are more conservatives and the vote could be different on the floor of the senate. >> at the end of day don't we need olympia snowe's vot

very much on max baucus to deliver a bill by the end of the week. the house is going to wait and see what the senate does. everything happening today is a crucial stage leading to the next stage of the bill, where they will be closer to the president's desk. jon: major, thank you. jane: the debate on whether to send more troops to afghanistan is heating up. two roadside bombs, taliban fighters, let's get to steve at the pentagon. he has more overt -- more on what was happening over the weekend. >> it was a bad week for afghanistan, especially this outpost. a military outpost of u.s. afghan forces, overrun by the taliban, they were firing from a mosque on the hillside. there was a daylong standoff. at the end eight american soldiers were dead, two afghan fighters were killed. a similar attack took place that left nine americans dead back in july of last year. jane: obviously the timing in these deaths is a sensitive given the debate of whether to send more troops or not. >> a big debate that you can see both sides of. more troops is what the general

the baucus plan, unfortunately, accelerates those costs. brian: would you have been one of the 150 had you not gone into politics, on the white house lawn yesterday? >> a lot of them were my colleagues. they're saying i need help. health insurance is overwhelming my patients, too many uninsured i'm taking care of for free. brian: even those it's 15% of the population. that's too many? >> it's really 20 million uninsured. if you're uninsure the in america today, you die sooner. i think we do van obligation. they need to pay their own way as much as possible but bring them into the market. brian: that's why a lot of republicans are taking note, senator bill frist that you're not staying with your party on this. >> but we've got to get people together. we have to get people together and recognize we have huge health care problems today. and just to say no and walkway and say we don't have a problem, we just can't do. the process has got to get better. it's got to be bipartisan. right now there's no bipartisanship there. brian: we'll have you b

. >> chairman max baucus man brought congress closer to -- than it ever has been to passing senate finance reform. where the discussions happening now? >> they are happening discreetly in the back rooms of the democrats will begin have been hovering next week to know the two senate bills that are competing they're keeping their favorites out of the play in helping tmç have at a better chance for the bills merge. helping tmç have at a better chance for the bills merge. >> coming to the end of a beautiful monday. >> you are looking off to the west as the sun slowly sinks. it will be a cool night. bright and sunny tomorrow morning. clouds will increase near the afternoon showers wednesday morning and then clearing in the afternoon triggered beautiful weather thursday and frida and may be another thunderstorm on more and more, the quality of our lives depends on our connections. access to high-speed internet, at home and on the go, is no longer a luxury. it's how our children access education. it's how we find jobs, discover information, and connect with family and friends. it's the spark th

by the way, baucus means no public option. joining us to discuss it is barney frank, representative from massachusetts and the chairman of the house financial services committee. congressman, what happened to the public option? >> well, i've been working mostly on the regulatory reform and i'm glad to say that we just earlier today finished work on the bill that required most of them to go on an exchange and that's a great event. the problem with the public option is the senate finance committee is a conservative committee than the senate as a whole. the committees are not absolute remri qaas of the whole senate. the public lost in that committee 1310. i believe that if you go to the whole senate, there would be a majority and then you don't have 60 and that's the dynamic they're fighting for and the question is the finance committee is one of the more conservative committees and the democrats are more conservatives and the vote could be different on the floor of the senate. >> at the end of day don't we need olympia snowe's v

max baucus says he has the committee votes to approve a bill with which president obama would be happy. >>> now to the developing stories of a couple of natural disasters within 24 hours. the death toll is rising in the samoan islands after an earthquake triggered a tsunami on tuesday. in indonesia, people are looking for survivors in the rubble from an earthquake. military ships and planes have arrived to deliver supplies. 150 people are dead with hundreds more missing. >>> in indonesia, the death toll skyrocketed to 1100 dead today. many more people are either trapped are still missing. a 7.6 magnitude earthquake destroyed hundreds of buildings at several schools. rescue efforts a being hampered by fire and a smaller earthquake today. the u.s. has offered assistance for both natural disasters. >>> iran has opened the door for potential progress by agreeing to inspections of its nuclear facilities. the united states is one of six major powers talking to iranian delegates at the highest diplomatic level in 30 years. >> they must demonstrate through concrete steps that it will live up t

the baucus bill is estimated to mainly have 80% covered. it was roughly 7.5 million. and further, this is what gets me, $900 billion for 7.5 years of a government program that will either at 7.5 million people more to insurance rules or 15 million more people. that means $8,900 a year if we have 15 million, far more than we are now paying for health insurance, or 19,000 more dollars a year if there are more people. it will get really ugly. jane: david letterman continues to apologize on the air for this sex scandal. what is he saying to his wife? plus, a new board baby kidnapped, his mother stabbed. the baby has been found, but the startling question -- was the mother in on the kidnapping plan? 8wor diabetics on medicare! i'm a diabetic and i want you to know over 230,000 u.s. doctors have authorized their patients to receive their diabetic supplies through liberty medical. and that begins with the one touch®ultra2 meter. easy to use, fast results... at no additional cost! liberty helps keep you on track by delivering diabetic supplies to your door... and filing your

what's happening in washington, is certainly focus on the baucus ll. what's happening in america is increasing anxiety, not decreasing anxiety about an expanded role by the federal government. >> but that anxiety is really the anxiety about what's happening in people's lives. and the anxiety about where this administration put its priorities in terms of how much we gave to wall street. there's an opportunity cost to everything. the fact that we gave trillions to wall street in order to save wall street. no connection to the real economy. >> i think they would concede that. what does the president do about that. >> that's very significant. because the anger that we have seen unleashed is to the bailout. this is now focused on health care. that's what's on the table. the president has to address this. he can't ignore the fact that we saved wall street in order to save the real economy. to small business people, any of that was supposed the reason for saving them. >> given the alternative explanation of why people are anxious, only 1 in 5 americans believ

ron wyden is fuming over max baucus' watering down of the health care bill. iter v8. it's the most powerful half ton v8 in its class. step up to the best. it's gmc truck month. get 0% apr for 60 months on 2009 gmc sierra or get $6,000 total cash back on select 09 sierra 1500 extended and crew cabs in stock. see your gmc dealer today. >>> the poll data is pretty constant, pretty steady that people do not think that this is a good idea. >> i get to a lot of places and i've not had anyone come up to me, i know i'm inviting it, i've not had anyone come up to me and lobby for the public option. this is about as unpopular as a garlic milkshake. >> you know, i don't know if they're lying or just misinformed or don't get out of the beltway much. if they were watching "the ed show," the republican leaders would know 65% of people support a public option according to the latest cbs/"the new york times" poll. so do 75% of american doctors, according to the "new england journal of medicine." despite that support, the senate finance committee bill does not include a public option.

max baucus a democrat says he has the votes. >> we have to have shared responsibility. that shared responsibility is all americans are in this. we all have to participate. >> reporter: health care legislation could reach the senate by mid-october. >> we don't intoned go to the floor without a public option in our bill. that is my statement on the public option. >> the pure public option or with a trigger, i think that's dead on arrival. >> reporter: amendment passed in the senate finance committee will allow states to negotiate coverage for the poor. it's another form of a public plan that opponents say will limit options, when what is needed is more competition. >> you can go and get a great car quote but you can't with your health insurance. >> reporter: e president says his door is open and the doctors plan to keep knocking. >>> the news edge on maryland. laurel police are looking for two men that tried to entice three small children into their pickup truck. paul wagner highways that story. >> reporter: the men never tried to grab the kids but laurel police are anxio

this is a huge undertaking for the congressional budget office to look at the baucus blueprint and to run the numbers. what will it cost? will it come in under the $900 billion target that the president has set out? what are the questions about growth of cost over time and will it have any effect on the deficit? these are big questions that need precise answers as close as they can get and we expect from senior democratic aids that it will happen probably later this week and then max balk whose chairs the finance committee who has been at the center of this says he wants to give his committee members time to read it and then they will vote. it has been a long, hard slug already and this could be so crucial because when the cbo score comes out a whole new list of reactions. if it's favorable to the president's plan, that sends things in one direction and if there are some surprises that make it more expensive or adds to the deficit, that gives it trouble. it's a critical point and they are moving methodically and they'll get it done as quickly as they can, but not today. >> the cbo has

yet, most of what senator baucus proposed seems to have prevailed. republicans gave it their best shot, but there and it's apparently did not get anywhere. -- but there are amendments -- but their amendments did not get anywhere. >> they have a majority. they ought to be able to do anything you want to. the question is will they? are there on members comfortable enough with a proposal that takes $500 million -- $500 billion out of medicare over the next few years and raise billions of dollars in taxes on both individuals and corporations -- are they comfortable for that? if they are, they should have enough votes to pass it. let me tell you how this issue is connected. if you are an employer and thinking about hiring, and you are looking at the cost of hiring an employee, and you look at this health-care bill, are you incentivized to expand employment or not? i think the answer is you are not. so there are many things we are doing here that are in heating the economic -- impeding the economic recovery. employers have to look at all of these additiona