rathke says he doesn't believe that. but that didn't stop acorn from making exactly that argument when it tried to convince a california court to exempt acorn from paying the minimum wage. the more that acorn must pay each individual outreach worker, acorn argued in a legal brief, the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire. is that hypocritical? >> in retrospect i wish i had been more on top of that issue and thought what are we doing out there because we absolutely support the minimum wage. megyn: it is not the only time acorn has been accused of hypocrisy and is staunchly pro union but in 2003 when acorn workers in dallas tried to unionize, acorn got slapped by the national labor relations board for improper anti-union tactics. while acorn pressured banks to make subprime loans when real estate shot up in the 1990's, when the bubble burst acorn began filing lawsuits and staging protests over what it called predator lending. acorn tactics also have been criticized. fox news obtained this cell phone video from ma

rathke says he doesn't believe that. but that didn't stop acorn from making exactly that argument when it tried to convince a california court to exempt acorn from paying the minimum wage. the more that acorn must pay each individual outreach worker, acorn argued in a legal brief, the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire. is that hypocritical? >> in retrospect i wish i had been more on top of that issue and thought what are we doing out there because we absolutely support the minimum wage. megyn: it is not the only time acorn has been accused of hypocrisy and is staunchly pro union but in 2003 when acorn workers in dallas tried to unionize, acorn got slapped by the national labor relations board for improper anti-union tactics. while acorn pressured banks to make subprime loans when real estate shot up in the 1990's, when the bubble burst acorn began filing lawsuits and staging protests over what it called predator lending. acorn tactics also have been criticized. fox news obtained this cell phone video from ma

rathke says he doesn't believe that. but that didn't stop acorn from making exactly that argument when it tried to convince a california court to exempt acorn from paying the minimum wage. the more that acorn must pay each individual outreach worker, acorn argued in a legal brief, the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire. is that hypocritical? >> in retrospect i wish i had been more on top of that issue and thought what are we doing out there because we absolutely support the minimum wage. megyn: it is not the only time acorn has been accused of hypocrisy and is staunchly pro union but in 2003 when acorn workers in dallas tried to unionize, acorn got slapped by the national labor relations board for improper anti-union tactics. while acorn pressured banks to make subprime loans when real estate shot up in the 1990's, when the bubble burst acorn began filing lawsuits and staging protests over what it called predator lending. acorn tactics also have been criticized. fox news obtained this cell phone video from ma

rathke says he doesn't believe that. but that didn't stop acorn from making exactly that argument when it tried to convince a california court to exempt acorn from paying the minimum wage. the more that acorn must pay each individual outreach worker, acorn argued in a legal brief, the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire. is that hypocritical? >> in retrospect i wish i had been more on top of that issue and thought what are we doing out there because we absolutely support the minimum wage. megyn: it is not the only time acorn has been accused of hypocrisy and is staunchly pro union but in 2003 when acorn workers in dallas tried to unionize, acorn got slapped by the national labor relations board for improper anti-union tactics. while acorn pressured banks to make subprime loans when real estate shot up in the 1990's, when the bubble burst acorn began filing lawsuits and staging protests over what it called predator lending. acorn tactics also have been criticized. fox news obtained this cell phone video from ma

rathke says he doesn't believe that. but that didn't stop acorn from making exactly that argument when it tried to convince a california court to exempt acorn from paying the minimum wage. the more that acorn must pay each individual outreach worker, acorn argued in a legal brief, the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire. is that hypocritical? >> in retrospect i wish i had been more on top of that issue and thought what are we doing out there because we absolutely support the minimum wage. megyn: it is not the only time acorn has been accused of hypocrisy and is staunchly pro union but in 2003 when acorn workers in dallas tried to unionize, acorn got slapped by the national labor relations board for improper anti-union tactics. while acorn pressured banks to make subprime loans when real estate shot up in the 1990's, when the bubble burst acorn began filing lawsuits and staging protests over what it called predator lending. acorn tactics also have been criticized. fox news obtained this cell phone video from ma

wade rathke is making a surprising prediction. that acorn after 38 years my get out of the voters registration business altogether. >> acorn is probably debating whether or not to be involved. the damage to the organization by the allegation true or false is very, very difficult to manage. >> coming up, acorn on capitol hill. >> this report has claimed of racketeer fraud and embezzlement and charges that would put people in prison. that is after the break. to help raise awareness for the men and women who have suffered traumatic injuries in the war on terror. they need our help. through the wounded warrior project, you can help get these heroes back into life's mainstream. log on to woundedwarriorproject.org to find out more about this fine organization that is helping these returning injured veterans and their families with their new lives. the greatest casualty is being forgotten. let's make sure this doesn't happen to my brave friends. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. megyn: n >> no one can say how many taxpayer doll

she denied the revelation that dale rathke, brother of founder wade rathke, allegedly embezzled $5 million from acorn, five times the amount acorn said was stolen. the new amount was revealed from a subpoena by james buddy caldwell, from louisiana and he told me he wants to know the truth about acorn's finances. he subpoenaed acorn's financial records dating back to 1998. at a the news conference, ms. lewis blamed former board members for the inflated amount. acorn says dale rathke actually stole $948,607.50, not $5 million. >> this speculation is completely false, and not based on any documentation or any audit or anything other than two disgruntled former board members. >> she branded the attacks on acorn as political and modern day mccarthyism. as for the undercover tapes made by james o'keefe and hannah giles, he said that the filmmakers broke the law in maryland by making those tapes. >> we will hold them accountable the same way that we turned in folks who tried to defraud us. it is illegal! it is a trick when they tell you to record someone in the state of maryland without their per

we found this on rathke's blog. old school banks like whitney, for example, where we keep our money, require a court order before someone can crack your account. these new-school banks and they're very big, just let any joe schmo bill collector from the utility collector to whomever suck the money out of the account." i mean, i have never said that about my bank. >> well, i think that most of these banks for the non-profits serve a lot of non-profit organizations and that's the essence of what we need to closely monitor what our non-profits are doing across the country, and they all have banks. certainly i don't think it is any implication, whitney bank, as to whether or not it has done anything improper. we haven't found that. they just have agents there that we have to subpoena who handle the records. glenn: acorn runs -- i mean, it says on the building, seiu, and they're going to acorn international. they got 300 and some different organizations connected to cci, which is the clearinghouse, right? >> that's the f

this afternoon, you know how your buddy, wade rathke built the factory for all these groups to come together in coalition, and it was deepak who decided to launch an organization called the national campaign for jobs and income support. this was back in 2000, and we uncovered a document that shows that one of the people that that was there for the launching event to launch this, what they called the labor and the poor was barack obama. he was there standing with them. they shared a lot of the same agenda items. that's why obama, when he was campaigning for president, went to their event, the one you mentioned in 2007. glenn: ok, but that again doesn't mean -- and this is what caught my eye. they are saying the same things. they are using the same language. now, if i'm a -- you know, i could be at a -- for instance, i received an award from are the n.r.a. about a year ago, and there were about 10,000 people there and i spoke and there were other speakers. i didn't necessarily agree with the other speakers. however, i will say this -- i think if i was sitting there and i heard somebody else us

reports today say that the brother of acorn's ceo wade rathke embezzled over $1 million from them. but lewis says that acorn found that he stole $948,607.50. not $5 million. >> this is speculation, completely false, not based on any documentation or even audits or anything other than two disgruntled former board members. >> she also lashed out at the media coverage and said that the filmmakers broke full-on in maryland by secretly recording a co-worker there. meanwhile, lamar smith of texas is demanding that the obama had been stationed appoint a special counsel to investigate acorn. president obama, having once worked for acorn, could have a conflict of interest. in one fund-raising letter, bertha lewis calls the a tax mean and nasty. she even criticizes fox news. shepard: right here comes out after protesters used slingshots and tossed firebombs. that is our top story as we go around the world in 80 seconds. turkey. police in istanbul using water cannons and pepper spray to break up hundreds of people protesting the imf and world bank meetings. protestors smashing windows and tra

bertha lewis claims that rathke actually embezzled under $1 million, not five times that amount. she says that the information is not based on anything but two disgruntled board members. she calls the attacks political and mccarthyism, that no one illegally voted from registration drives. as for those controversial undercover tapes made by conservative activists, lewis says that the law in maryland was broken by making those tapes, and there was no reporting that some of the office is turned them away. that claim is not correct. fox news has reported that. lamar smith is now calling on eric holder to appoint a special counsel to investigate acorn. he feels that the president's close political ties may prohibit a thorough investigation. miss lewis also denied that acorn has a sinister white house connection. jon: we are learning new details about a man accused of plotting a terrorist attack in new york city. the associated press reports najibullah zazi was in close contact with a top al qaeda operative just weeks before the planned attacks, and a cia informant led to the rest. new