with me in miami at the public television station facility is donna shalala, she served as health and human services secretary during the clinton administration. and she is now president of the university of miami. i am pleased to have each of them here. we begin with bill frist who knows the legislature well. i want to talk about three things this evening. number one is what happened today. number two, what happens next. and number three, where does this lead health care, where does it leave health care at the end of the day. so i begin with you, bill frist. tell me what happened today and your assessment of it. >> well, charlie, it was a remarkable day, i thought. and i say that based on the 12 years that i spent in washington. very similarly to where these senators are today. what was different today, i didn't see it in six years with president clinton or six years with president bush, is a president of the united states taking directly to the american people for seven hours a very good debate, a very intelligent debate, a very substantive debate. and yes, there was partisan rhetor

. >> donna shalala, thank you very much from the university of miami. we go back to the summit now, john mccain weighing in. >> there's 330,000 seniors under medicare advantageç in my home state of arizona. they're deeply concerned about that. they're deeply concerned about the carve outs for vermont, massachusetts, hawaii, michigan, connecticut. $100 million for a hospital in connecticut. what -- why -- why should that happen? they don't understand it. and at the town hall meetings that i conduct all over my state, people are angry. we promised them change in washington and what we got was a process that you and i both said we would change in washington. so then we got into the special interests, whether it be the hospital association or the ama or others. one that was particularly egregious, and i won't go through the whole list, was pharma. pharma got an $80 billion deal for which they ran $150 million worth of ads in favor of, quote, health reform. their lobbyist was here at the white house and was reported to say in the media, "a deal is a deal."