what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell on did you expect this weaponry to be given. back the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban i think the problem you know has to be looked at closer historical perspective the war lasted almost a decade it was a terrible brutal war for the soviet union the way it used to have guns they killed close to a million guns they drove about forty five million afghans their country. so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of the understand was bombed to be prolonged. and the west unfortunately roughly ten years. attack started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate gunderson and the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union the part of. the taliban it was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive out the foreigners from other counties that capitalized on the opportunity to develop in afghan

so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the of kind perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and religion it's this is this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there. fully aware of the political context the time not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia i went there to help muslims there to help the afghan people against an ideology of believe it's real to islam i know the cia involvement in that war but i would like just to ask you know when if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that there at the time there's. communication or link between the cia and the i can assure you it's very hard to prove that and even

so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the of going in perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and to religion it's very this is this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there. fully aware of the political context. not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia i wanted to help muslims there to help the afghan people against a global jihad believe it's real to islam i know the cia involvement in that war but i would like just to ask him if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that there at the time there's a communication or link between the cia and the i can issue to you it's very hard to prove that and even with

so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the of going perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and to religion it's very this is this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there we are fully aware of the political context. not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia i went there to help muslims there to help the afghan people against an ideology of believe it's real to islam i know the cia involvement in that war but i would like just to ask you know when if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that there at the time there is a communication link between the cia and the i can assure you it's very hard to prove that and

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so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the of going in perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and to religion it's very this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there we are fully aware of the political context time not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia or i wanted to help muslims there to help the afghan people against an ideology of believe it's the real trick to islam i know the cia involved with him but i would like just to ask him if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that there at the time there is. communication or link between the cia and the arabs i can assure you it's very hard to prove that a

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what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell did you expect this weaponry to be given. back the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban i think the problem you know has to be looked at closer historical perspective the war lasted almost a decade it was a terrible brutal war for the soviet union the way against it of guns they killed close to a million guns they drove about forty five million afghans out of their country so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of the understand was bombed to be prolonged and the west unfortunately roughly ten years saf. attack started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate gunderson and the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union departed. the taliban it was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive out the foreigners from. the capitalize on the opportunity to develop in afghanistan after the

what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell on did you expect this weaponry to be given. back the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban i think the problem you know has to be looked at in a close a historical perspective the war lasted almost a decade it was a terrible brutal war for the soviet union the way against it of guns they killed close to a million of guns they drove about forty five million afghans their country so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of going to stone was bombed to be prolonged and the west unfortunately roughly ten years out. did the attack started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate afghanistan and the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union departed. the taliban it was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive out the foreigners from the economist or the capitalized on the opportunity to

what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell on did you expect this weaponry to be given by. the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban i think the problem you know has to be looked at closer historical perspective the war lasted almost a decade it was a terrible brutal war for the soviet union in a way against the afghans they killed close to a million guns they drove about forty five million afghans out of their country so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of the stone was bombed to be prolonged. and the west unfortunately. roughly ten years after the attacks started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate afghanistan and the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union the part of. the taliban who was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive the foreigners from other towns that capitalized on the opportunity to develop in

so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the ever going in perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and to religion it's this is this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there. fully aware of the political context time well not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia i went there to help most there to help the afghan people against an ideology of believe it's real to islam i know the cia involvement in that war but i would like just to ask him if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that at the time there's a. communication or link between the cia and the i can assure you it's very hard to prove that and even would b

what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell on did you expect this weaponry to be given. back the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban i think the problem you know has to be looked at closer historical perspective the war lasted almost a decade it was a terrible brutal war for the soviet union the way it used to have guns they killed close to a million guns they drove about forty five million afghans out of their country so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of i understand was bombed to be prolonged and the west unfortunately. roughly ten years after the attacks started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate afghanistan the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union departed. the taliban it was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive out the foreigners from other towns the capitalize on the opportunity to develop in af

so the mujahideen and when they fought there if you take it from the ever growing in perspective you know it's just a country being invaded and as i told you from a muslim perspective it was like by the power of god and to religion it's very this is this is the main if you like argument behind this in the muslim muslim world so then there's the element politics which is like the whole war if you like that all but the western world and the muslim countries the course and they support the war against the soviet union so when we went there we are fully aware of the political context. not me. but the main issue here does that our agenda or not this is the main issue so if you ask me i didn't go there to hold the u.s. or the cia or i wanted to help most is there to help the afghan people against an ideology of believe it's real to islam i know the cia involved with the war but i would like just to ask him if he can give us a single evidence or just one evidence that at the time there's a direct communication or link between the cia and the i can assure you it's very hard to prove that and

the current most guns could handle without difficulty so you don't believe that the funding of the mujahideen led to the formation of the taliban today no i mean i look look look what the osama bin laden himself said. osama bin laden described the reasons why he engaged in terrorism against. west and in fact that so it was not. international terrorism the taliban wasn't involved in imposing enough to understand him a deep concept of society but unfortunately it gave a haven to al qaeda osama bin laden and al-qaeda had global aspirations and engage in global terrorism we'd be having this conversation now if we didn't expect the soviet union to the former soviet union to invade prior to our funding the mujahideen so i knew it was already involved directly through the years by the time to funding started the funding started at a time when the soviet union was already making preparations to invade afghanistan did you think that that would provoke the so far i have no way of knowing but i was assuming the good that would go in because they were going in you know approach that was evident there was

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hundred of the mujahideen prior to the former soviet union's invasion an excellent idea according to their analysis of what you said the dismantling of the soviet union was to a degree more important than quote some stirred up muslims and that you don't regret it do you stand by that statement now yes although the version of the interview was not really an interview the interview was an extensive interview which was supposed to be translated and sent to me it was never was an excerpt. sort of amalgamate it unpublished but basically the facts are that the correct united states decided to provide sufficient sleep over the funding to the i've got resistance when it became clear that the soviet union was beginning to be actively him directly and eventually when it did intervene given to me that was expanded and continued republican structure to president carter that. in turn the resistance that direct the collapse of the soviet. and. from the international scene of the possible real war so far. has made possible the kind of reconciliation but it's now underway in eurasia but more importa

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all we have to do, he said, is send two mujahideen it and raise a small piece of cloth on which is written al qaeda to make the general's and americans to suffer a human, economic, and political bosses. he calls his strategy provoked and bait. >> ted koppel reporting there. more on the news that the american pastor who has drawn international condemnation for planning to burn copies of the koran has arrived in new york. we speak to our correspondent in new york. it has been such a confusing story surrounding this pastor, who he has spoken to and who he is going to speak to. is the story clearing up? >> he has arrived in new york, presumably still seeking a meeting with the imam who is behind the plan for the community center and a mosque at couple blocks away from ground zero. the imam himself put out a statement about 12 hours ago saying that he was willing to speak to anyone seriously committed to peace, but he also said with this some day of september 11 upon us, i encourage everyone to take time for prayer and reflection, which does not seem to open the door for a meeting with pastor t

if we didn't expect the soviet union to the former soviet union to invade prior to our funding the mujahideen so that he was already involved directly in through the south several years by the time to funding started the funding started at a time when the soviet union was already making preparations to invade afghanistan did you think that that would provoke the so far i have no way of knowing but i was assuming they would go in because they were going in you know approach that was evident there was an escalation of soviet involvement and by the time the funding started the soviet union was already involved quayside militarily with guns i want to switch gears to another region that were influential on the middle east with the israeli palestinian conflict now you helped draft a letter with with lee hamilton that suggested that hamas should be part of this equation what do you make of the current day peace process the one that's taking place right now hamas is not part of that equation how far do you think they'll get in finding a solution to the problem a two state solution ultimately i think

what did you expect the mujahideen what you're calling the afghan resistance to do with the weaponry that the u.s. and other countries provided to them after the soviet union fell did you expect this weaponry to be given. back the civil war which insinuate after to lead to the formation of what we have now which is the taliban but i think the problem you know has to be looked at closer historical perspective the. war lasted almost a decade with a terrible brutal war with the soviet union the way it is not going to be killed close to a million guns they drove forty five million guns out of the country. so the process of consolidation the rehabilitation of the understand those bombs to be prolonged. and the west unfortunately roughly ten years after the attack started and then the soviets left did very little to rehabilitate afghanistan and the taliban phenomenon i wrote was several years after the soviet union departed. the taliban it was not involved in fighting. against the soviets to drive out the foreigners from. the capitalized on the opportunity to develop in afghanistan after t

if we didn't expect the soviet union to the former soviet union to invade prior to our funding the mujahideen so that he was already involved directly into the sun for several years by the time to funding started the funding started at a time when the soviet union was already making preparations to invade afghanistan did you think that that would provoke the. i have no way of knowing but i was assuming they would go in because they were going in you know it was evident there was an escalation of soviet involvement and by the time the funding stop. the soviet union was already involved quayside militarily with guns there and i get back to this this idea from your book that eurasia is this very important chess player if you well for. the united states you also mention in your book that you're a just just a chess board out much of the struggle for global primacy continues to be played and the most immediate task is to make certain that no state or combination of states gain the capacity to expel the united states from eurasia or even diminishing if it only its decisive arbitrary rule now which s

the soviet mujahideen now washington then lost control over those forces and this led to afghanistan civil war and the rise of the taliban now could we see a similar scenario where a new threat arises in the region. absolutely there is no question no doubt about this we already have confirmed reports of how military equipment weapons provided by the u.s. military to the two. gun mercenary forces and of course the of gone national army have already found their way to the insurgents into the black market so we have this leakage going on of course and it is not too much to expect that a certain point in the future when the u.s. engagement in afghanistan would of course would draw down that we will see this kind of situation or scenario emerging there's no doubt about this but there's another very important point that we need to mention here is that the united states continues to rely on warlords in afghanistan when when i heard about the mercenary force of three thousand well trained of guns i still there's one part of the story that is still missing and that is where these three thousa

if we didn't expect the soviet union to the former soviet union to invade prior to our funding the mujahideen so much he was already involved directly in through the south for several years by the time to funding started the funding started at a time when the soviet union was already making preparations to invade afghanistan did you think that that would provoke the so far i have no way of knowing but i was assuming they would go in because they were going in you know approach that was evident there was an escalation of soviet involvement and by the time the funding started the soviet union was already involved militarily with guns there so i want to switch gears to another region that were influential on the middle east with the israeli palestinian conflict now you helped draft a letter with with lee hamilton that suggested that hamas should be part of this equation what do you make of the current day peace process the one that's taking place right now hamas is not part of that equation how far do you think they'll get in finding a solution to the problem a two state solution ultimately i th

decades so that they had even greater freedom of movement when it was simply just the taliban in the mujahideen there are verses one the u.s. troops in the western troops who are there because sometimes western troops become a magnet for violence and given areas certainly we can't say that about all areas but in certain pockets of the country it's not simply that you confuse troops and there is greater stability all of the times you use troops in this route or unrest more i e d's and more instability for the people well if we look at you know just the past couple of years and how the violence really has surge since two thousand and one and a good example of that is definitely a messy messy election and you can't just look at it as success or failure makes it too much and then really thanks so much for joining us lou thank you so much for having me. coming up next we're going to introduce you to a group of americans who think that we're too worried about the economy and the unemployed so they're hosting their own summit this weekend to redirect their efforts back to values at the values voter su

i think you are right, we disengaged there after we helped the mujahideen drive the soviets out. when we were not paying attention, there was a vacuum bill from radical elements. let me just say on afghanistan, i think it will be more difficult than iraq. what president bush did at first was absolutely brilliant. we were attacked a on 9/11 by al qaeda. the taliban controlled much of the country, gave al qaeda a safe harbor. even after the attacks, we said, turn over your usama bin laden, and they refused to do so, but instead of putting our conventional ground forces in there, we gave logistical support to the anti-taliban task forces in the northern alliance, and they drove the taliban out. now we need to have them reach out to other elements in the region to reflect the ethnic areas. we gave them the government that they wanted to have, and that is what we are defending today. once we made the commitment to go in, we have to make it work. i spoke with the secretary of defense recently. i think he is starting to move in the right direction by looking at a more decentralized time

i think you are right, we disengaged there after we helped the mujahideen drive the soviets out. when we were not paying attention, there was a vacuum bill from radical elements. let me justay on afghanistan, i think it will be more difficult than iraq. what president bush did at first was absolutely brilliant. we were attacked a on 9/11 by al qaeda. the taliban controlled much of the country, gave al qaeda a safe harbor. even after the attacks, we said, turn over your usama bin laden, and they refused to do so, but instead of putting our conventional ground forces in there, we gave logistical support to the anti-taliban task forces in the northern alliance, and they drove the taliban out. now we need to have them reach out to other elements in the region to reflect the ethnic areas. we gave them the government that they wanted to have, and that is what we are defending today. once we made the commitment to go in, we have to mak it work. i spoke with the secretary of defense recently. i think he is starting to move in the right direction by looking at a more decentralized time of