commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: kim, correct me if i'm wrong, but actually i was on the commission when you came before us last time, which i believe was around four years ago. i'm not sure of the exact time but at that time there was extensive paperwork and the resolutions began the program and whole history of what had gone on. i still have those someplace. but -- and so that's the materials as you mentioned. it is available online and i'm sure commissioners can get more background information on that. this is more of an interim report and reassertion of our interests. >> thank you. i would be happy to answer any questions you have at any time. we are here to serve everyone, so -- >> commissioner sue sue gaia, we can forward those resolutions to you. >> that would help. pardon me. i get suss experience when the entire board of directors is solely private industry and the advisory council is private industry and i understand this is a private industry but it would seem if it's directed toward

commissioner antonini: one last question -- >> if i may? these are already people working in your other immediate locations in the neighborhood? >> yes. >> and do you have parking for them? >> we currently do not. we have 13 -- i bel we have 13 -- i believe it's 13 spaces behind one of our buildings, and that's it. everybody else, if they choose to drive, parks in the neighborhood currently. so we'll actually take, we figure, 37 minus 13, we'll take those off the neighborhood. >> to continue with commissioner antonini's question with respect to parking. aside from larger meetings and what not, i assume you have people coming there every day for some kind of meeting, not 50 or more, but in terms of two, 10, maybe 15, 20. otherwise it's hard for me to believe we've built a conference center of i don't know how many thousand square feet a capacity of 100, that you're only going to use 10 times a year. so there must be some other things going on that maybe you could -- >> i describe it as an auditorium, it's not raised seating, it's a flat surf

commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: i'm not sure i go quite that far. i do think that projects that have been applied for should be grandfathered under the rule. they were applied -- under the rules they were applied for under, for a couple of reasons, the first is the boundaries for market-octavia were established some time ago so those who were beginning projects felt this was beyond the scope of those and it's being extended, seems to be a lot of community support for this extension but i don't think one can be clairvoyant enough to realize this is going to happen and designs a project in a way, purchase it, makes an investment based on the rules that are in place. i would like to see project sponsors work with the community to see what they could do to provide benefits but i don't think we should require things and i don't know that we need to require a mandatory d.r. certainly there is the ability, i would say, for any members of the public to bring a d.r. at the time of the hearing if they felt that was it. i believe many of these projects may be

commissioner antonini: of course. commissioner moore: i generally trust the supervisors' proposed legislation. however, the commissioner's only were handed the verbiage in front of us two minutes ago. in reading department recommendations, but also other comments, i need a few hours to absorb what is in front of me. with that, i support the continuance with a caveat that we will hear it on december 9. president miguel: i have to agree with that. changes to the legislation that come in at the 11th hour and later, i have problems with. >> the motion before you is for continuance of this item to december 9. i assume public hearing will remain open. on that motion? commissioner antonini: aye. commissioner borden: aye. commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: commissioner antoninaye. vice president olague: aye. president miguel: aye. >> do you want to take a break? let us take a break. president miguel: i think this is it. we are going to take a 15 minute break. [groans] we have been sitting here since 1:30 without a

commissioner antonini: not the largest ones? >> due to the administrative controls that are in place and also with our modifications. commissioner antonini: so as written, there is a modification in the language of this now with that large hotel. you started talking about that? >> our modification that we are recommendings to the commission that are large hotels be converted. if the commission agrees -- >> i disagree. commissioner antonini: i love the whole thing but that might be an important issue for me so i don't know if i could go with the rest of it but it will go to the board and go with it. the other thing i think with the other uses, which was alluded to being a little bit vague and i think we have to sort of encourage. that would mean any time that you have a commercial or a retail or a garage perhaps -- and let's assume these are in areas where housing is permitted as you said, then those would all have to have conditional use. >> that's right. the idea in this recommendation is to encourage the production of new hous

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: i would be in favor -- i think we could take up that one continuance now on 1645. i would be in favor of that. i know the project sponsor is working with the neighborhood and other groups and it makes sense, and i believe the date was december 2? >> yes. commissioner antonini: in that case, i move to continue the item 10 and 11 to december 2. commissioner sugaya: second. >> on that motion -- [roll call vote] so moved, commissioners. those items will be moved to december 2. also, there is a request from the supervisor campos to hear item 16, the proposed ordinance for the case. i believe we will be accommodating that request and hearing it out of order, first on a regular calendar. president miguel: at such time as the supervisor is here or his representative. >> even better. next, commissioners, is the consent calendar. all matters listed here constitute a consent calendar considered to be retained by the planning commission and will be acted upon by a single ro

commissioner miguel: commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: it looks like you are going to have a 41, not a 47. that's what it says. i think it is permitted to whether you want to have it or not. i think it is permitted. we should be clear it doesn't make any difference. >> commissioners. excuse me. before you is a motion for approval as proposed. commissioner antonini: aye. commissioner borden: aye. commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. >> commissioner -- [laughter] commissioner olague has stepped out. commissioner miguel: aye. i think it's unanimous. [laughter] >> ok, we're on the next item. >> oh, my. oh, my. you are now on item number 14, .0257c. >> good evening, president miguel. the item before you is a request for a conditional use authorization for tenant space. it is currently an exercise studio on the ground floor of a three story mixed use building. the vacant commercial space was previously occupied a buy at architectural office. the proposal will not [unintelligible] they have occupied the space

antonini for attending our meeting the other day. he was very hopeful in facilitating hopefully a great step moving forward. i just want to say on behalf of my husband and myself we are extremely excited about 777 valencia. we think it is going to be a great addition to the neighborhood. that being said, with the agreed conditions as stated, including the conditions agreed upon by mr. knowles, which we are very grateful for, as well as the hours he agreed upon the other evening, as well as ms. jackson's proposed review. i share support as part of the valencia neighborhood association and the hoa, hopefully adding a second 12 months hearing to review concerns including quality of life, security plan implementation, noise mitigation, and hours of operation. we hope to live as one in the neighborhood. but my husband's and my bedroom window is a stone's throw away from the outdoor facility. we hope everything will go according to plan and that we will not need that. but we do ask that it will be considered for review so that we can live

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: , miss rogers, thank you, again, a couple of questions and i don't need an answer but i would be interested hearing what the legal issues that were raised by supervisor campos in regards to the city-wide needs health assessment that would preclude public health from being the lead agency. maybe i can find out in the future about that. number two in regard to landmarking the applegate libraries and others, i know merced has had significant renovation a few years back, and i know merced is not before them, yet, but that has had an addition made to it. so i guess how much change can occur to a structure and still be eligible for landmarking? i know it's a subjective thing, but it just seems i thought they did quite a bit to marina. it was a great improvement in my opinion but it still was of the basic style of the original library. >> we can look into those questions. commissioner antonini: ok, sure, thank you. clerk: commissioners, i am not sure if there was a boa

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: the eir does what it has to do. some of it is nebulous because we are not exactly sure how the pieces are fitting together. i think what was done here is about the best you can do based upon what we have up this point in time. we did mention earlier about the fact that, in the testimony, both yerby and ubc have been patient during this process. part of it was held up for a while because of the approval process going to the access issues and other considerations as part of the hunters. and candlestick point approvals we had last year. we can really move forward. >> with that, comments will be accepted at the planning department office until the close of business on november 29, 2010. that includes the public hearing on the draft environmental impact report. president miguel: because there are only four commissioners, i will be forced to take a very short, 15-minute break. >> thank you.

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: the eir does what it has to do. some of it is nebulous because we are not exactly sure how the pieces are fitting together. i think what was done here is about the best you can do based upon what we have up this point in time. we did mention earlier about the fact that, in the testimony, both yerby and ubc have been patient during this process. part of it was held up for a while because of the approval process

if not, public comment is closed, commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: , mr. wyco thank you for your comments. a couple of questions, i guess, but i just had some observations, i guess, i certainly think we all know how the ceqa process can be very long and expensive. but that's not the point. the point is to make sure we completely analyze the impacts from ceqa of a proposed project. and i guess my question is, obviously, the no project alternative makes total sense, or variants of the project that are, perhaps, somewhat smaller, code compliant, etc. but i don't quite see why you would have to analyze an entirely different project in this case being the restoration, because, if, in fact, we went through the analysis, and we certified a particular report, this one or any other one, and then the project was approved, then it could come back and go through its own ceqa hearing at that time. maybe i don't follow what you are saying on that. maybe i can get a clarification on that. >> i think what you said is correct, and combining your question and miss hester's

president miguel: commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: thank you f i do support the fabrication of the health care services master plan as an advisory document that we could use to evaluate land use issues that come before us regarding health care facilities. and one thing we have to be aware of is the regional nature and for other institutions here and attract patients from throughout northern california and beyond and i can talk from personal experience where i came to san francisco for care as a young boy and came for many other issues and that exist today. and it is particularly true with ucsf and catholic health care institution and kaiser. and in fact, being a kaiser member, it's regionalized. and if you have neurological needs, you go to one place. and if the administration is in oakland and if a lot of deliveries are in san francisco or sacramento and that is how the whole thing works and anything we do when we make these recommendation we have to realize these institutions are large institutions and the nee

a of of the would go so far haas commissioner antonini with townhouses. a little more variety here, perhaps, and i will agree that unlike areas such as in manhattan, the idea of going as far to get into one's car is not going to go over well in this area. item think it goes well anywhere in san francisco, you tell someone they have to walk a couple blocks to their car storage, and that is about 11 of anyone that i know of. used are going for the the matter, which is what i see, i might be wrong. i think that has to be taken into consideration. commissioner sugaya: if the staff could indulge me in one small analysis, it is always deceiving to look at something like this and try to figure out what the actual density is across the entire area. it could be fairly low. i don't know. it isn't the observations by other commissioners about the surrounding neighborhoods are attached single-family dwellings which produces -- and this will be interesting to see what is that part merced. although it has high-rises and what not, which breaks the pattern. the north bea

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: the eir does what it has to do. some of it is nebulous because we are not exactly sure how the pieces are fitting together. i think what was done here is about the best you can do based upon what we have up this point in time. we did mention earlier about

commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: the eir does what it has to do. some of it is nebulous because we are not exactly sure how the pieces are fitting together. i think what was done here is about the best you can do based upon what we have up this point in time. we did mention earlier about the fact that, in the

president miguel: commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: just a few comments, and i don't expect answers tonight unless i bring up something easy. the first thing, you will have something new. you have an ownership units, so i assume there will be condo agreements between the owners and the builders, but that would be subsequent to the development agreement. >> yeah, it is more complicated than that. there will be a master hoa, master homeowners association that covers the entire site. each condominium building is created, they will have grown hoa. so each building will be part of the bigger cooperative agreement, and then each building will have its own governing condo documents. commissioner antonini: good, that sounds pretty good. a few other things. there were questions asked about tenants, but in the feature the question will come out, and also buying out of tenants who may not want to stay, given the amount of construction, but would rather move. this may be typical of what is done in other situations throughout

president miguel: commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: it's a little bit confusing but i think i get it. the project sponsor is agreeing with staff on disapproval, is that what i heard, i believe? well, supervisors daly is a proponent of the measure. president miguel: they're disagreeing with staff's proposal. commissioner antonini: maybe i got that backwards. anyway, let me tell you my reasons for agreeing with staff and for all of the reasons that were already stated. i mean, by raising the bar so high, you will probably get rid of any hope that anything does get developed and therefore all of the fees and all of the things we need to make it a complete neighborhood won't happen because nothing will get filled. second of all, as was pointed out by staff, by merely making it higher, it could be for sale units that would be up to a higher income level. so when the fees get paid to the mayor's office of housing, you have the discretion of using it as you feel where the need is great. so i think that's not good. it's

a of of the would go so far haas commissioner antonini with townhouses. a little more variety here, perhaps, and i will agree that unlike areas such as in manhattan, the idea of going as far to get into one's car is not going to go over well in this area. item think it goes well anywhere in san francisco, you tell someone they have to walk a couple blocks to their car storage, and that is about 11 of anyone that i know of. used are going for the the matter, which is what i see, i might be wrong. i think that has to be taken into consideration. commissioner sugaya: if the staff could indulge me in one small analysis, it is always deceiving to look at something like this and try to figure out what the actual density is across the entire