the name of the corporation is the kgb. that is it. >> why is it worth protecting people like these investigators? >> they are trusted people. they are people were known to do the dirty work. they will keep their mouth shut. >> the police department that masterminded the case against him was behind ithis unmarked door. and usually for a foreign reporter, i have been invited in. in the soviet-your offices, russia's finest detectives are trying to crack the most complex or politically sensitive cases. >> to say there is a network of criminals, maybe such a thing exists somewhere, but i have not heard of them. if you take that in relation to our investigative committee, it could not be. in a case as high-profile as this, no one would protect an investigator who had broken the law. >> what of the investigator that magnitsky accused of fabricating the case against him? he has never spoken publicly before. >> what pressure did you put on him? >> what happened was a big misfortune for the relatives. the job of an investigation is

period, you had russian scholars and others, in fact russian agencies, the russian successor to the kgb itself, publishing books of documents. and here i had a great material come out about the plot to assassinate trotsky, the earlier attempt and the whole network the nkvd put together, how much money they spend on it right up until when i was finishing the book there was the biography that came out i just caught in time to be able to use it, a biography of one of the key members of the hit squad that went after the organized the commando raid. wonderful informative biography based on again, those documents. so we can't get in, especially now in the last decade. but others did. and i believe, if you believe the review is that my account of the trotsky murders is the most complete that we have so far, and it's helped in part because i found some great materials here at the hoover institution archives where i did a lot of my research, also at the harvard archives where trotsky's papers are. i use the exile papers, interesting point. trotsky's papers have been there for a very long time. i

znt they pull often a basically an assassination in london, the similar former kgb officials. >> yes, the russians have. and you know what, i don't think that i can throw them under the bus and say they're proud of it. when you understand the nature of espionage and the fact that stolen secrets can be a threat to the security of any nation, whether the russians or the united states, you know, the russians want to make it rr clear that we love our country, and we're going to protect it, and if you're going to play hardball with us, we're going to play back. that's the way they've always been. they've been very provocative. that's just the nature of the russian service. >> one last quick question for you. do we do similar things? >> who? the u.s.? >> yeah. >> no. we're the u.s. hey, they're russians. come on. >> okay. i hope you're right. it's interesting. all right. there's a lot of things we didn't used to do that we do now. former cia officer, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. fascinating conversation. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> all right. coming up, speaking of republic

. >> it's the svr, used to be the kgb. he was with the svr in a relatively important position in that he knew about the stay-mind assets that they have. the rushionians have allowed this information to get out there because it looks a lot better if they have been betrayed than if the 10 spies trip themselves up somehow. >> currently, right, right. >> they say they are going to go after this guy on american soil? are you buying that? >> they do make an effort to track people down on occasion. and several cases, they have gone through. you know, would they try something like that on u.s. soil? hopefully, they are not that stupid, frankly. >> next, what is your take on vice-president biden, thursday night on larry king said the americans in afghanistan taking over their own security. he says that daddy will start to take the training wheels off. ive loves me some joe biden. is this helpful, diplomatically? >> foreign leaders like nothing more than to be talked to in a condescending manner. >> but you know he's right. >> he so

everything from meeting -- from serving brats and beer to the kgb to going to china and working with madame khan, one of the wealthiest women in china and how we became so close and never spoke a word in the same language. to the gerbils and how i had a test of my integrity when one of my younger daughters brought the gerbils home but all little stories that were insights into moments in my life where i kind of had an a-ha. i saw something about leadership or i saw something about accountability. larry, if i could give them only one gift, i'd ask them not to point fingers and always say, why does someone else fix it but to take hands and fix it. >> larry: could you teach leadership? >> i am teaching. >> larry: you can? >> i am teaching. >> larry: you don't believe in born leaders? >> yes. i think there is -- i think there is -- well, aristotle said look for the children with gold in them. i think there are some human beings who have a natural caring for others and natural energy, and a desire to make a difference. i know hubert humphrey said once you could tell a leader because they

>> i can imagine, i'm no friend of vladimir putin, i don't who know is in this country, he's an old kgb hand but what am they think in the former soviet union. one famous arizona. who held up look to be a state-of-the-art agreement between the united states and russia on avoiding any kind of nuclear problem down the road by reducing the number of weapons providing certification, some modernization is part of this, so for the people who are concerned about nuclear strength. john heilemann, i think that this will be hard for history to write? like, how did this happen? like world war i. >> i agree and what vladimir putin will think is president obama's been weakened on the world stage and that america is not serious in terms of how it's dealing with the soviet union, or the former soviet union. and i think that you know this is actually -- this goes to your question, chris, about whether a neio conservative ideologue bent to this? i think that most neocons they read and hear from think that if this treaty goes down it will in fact strengthen the hand of putin and from their perspective pr

head of counter spy operations for these -- for the russian intelligent service, you know, the old kgb, has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, pose for russia's edition of "maxim" magazine, launching a luxury boutique and an app so people can play poker with a virtual anna. she even has her own action figure. >> well, don't miss andrea mitchell reports today at 1:00 only on msnbc. we'll have a little more spy -- with the spy who loved us all. >>> anyway, coming up, cindy mccain versus john mccain on don't ask don't tell. seriously. >>> plus, they call him the pizza boy, but for folks in illinois and the 17th district, they're now calling him congressman. >>> and the politics of watching tv. are republican viewers the secret to ratings goal? but first, today's trivia question from the almanac of american politics, if superimposed on the lower 48, about how big would alaska be? geographic, you know, in area, by the way, not in po

we are breaking the codes of what is know to what used to be the kgb and the operations here in united states. and for reasons that are subtle and sometimes difficult to understand, a former deputy director of nsa who was a lover of history, if you don't get many people rising to senior ranks of intelligence committees level appreciation for history said this stuff has run its usefulness as a secret so let's declassify. i know that there were those that nsa is going to be resisted the declassification of this photo but they were overruled because -- do it. just tell me when you're going to release its i can have a press conference. one of my main, one of the problems that has sort of reared its ugly head post-9/11 world that we live in immediately after 9/11 we live in a world during another period, during the mid 1990s right after nine 9/11 wendover annual conferences at the cia releasing documents and inviting historians to come listen to former agency officials talk about, you know, how they won the war. and then 9/11 came along and it stopped come and it stopped completely. no more

everything from meeting -- from serving brats and beer to the kgb to going to china and working with madam chan, one of the wealthiest women in china, and how we became so close and never spoke a word in our -- in the same language. to the gerbils. and how i had a test of my integrity when one of my younger daughters brought the gerbils home. but all little stories that were insights into moments in my life where i kind of had an aha. i saw something about leadership or i saw something about accountability. larry, if i could give them only one gift, i'd ask them not to point fingers and always say why doesn't someone else fix it. but to take hand and fix it -- >> larry: could you teach leadership? >>y am. i am teaching. >> larry: you don't believe in born leader? >> yes, i think there is -- i think there is -- aristotle said lock for the children born with gold this them. i think there are some human beings who have a natural caring for others and natural energy and desire to make a difference. i know hubert humphrey said once that you could tell a leader because they would be -- the

but the head of the spy operations for the russian intelligence service, you know, the old kgb has defected to the united states, and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. now a celebrity back home posing for russia's edition of maximmagazine, launching a russian boutique and an app so people can play poker with a virj wa virtual. that was andrea mitchell reporting. it's been six months since the disappearance of the 7-year-old boy that we covered so much. his name is kyle horman, and he's from portland, oregon. the days of intense searching have given way to painful waiting game for his mother and his father. kate snow has been following this case for dateline. this little boy had been dropped off at school, and then he was missing. hope was there. >> and they were searching and zernling. that has really become a waiting game. they firmly believe now that his stepmother, terry horman, who you remember dropped him off at school that day at june has the answers to where their little boy is. and they are demanding that she tell authorities and the public what really happened. >>

head of counter spy operations for these -- for the russian intelligence service -- you know, the old kgb, has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, posing for russia's edition of "maxim" magazine, launching a luxury boutique and an app so peek can play poke wer a virtual anna. she even has her own action figure. >>> u.s. officials won't comment on any of this but don't deny pulling off what could be one of the biggest victories for u.s. intelligence since the end of the cold war. >>> now that george w. bush's memoir has actually been out there for a couple of days and people are actually reading it, there are some fascinating new revelation s., not the least of which is the section that paints the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell as a hypocrite. the book "decision points" explains that while publicly he accused the democrats of endangering america by trying to pull out of iraq, privately he was actually asking the president to

predecessor organizations to what is now nsa braking the code some of what is now or what used to be the kgb and their operations here in the united states, and for reasons that are subtle and sometimes difficult to understand a former deputy director's of the nsa who was a litter of history, and you don't get many people rising to senior ranks, and the intelligence community have an appreciation for history said well, this stuff has outlived its usefulness as a secret, let's declassify it, and i know that there were those in nsa who strenuously resisted the declassification of this material but were overruled because the deputy director of the agency said do it, and just tell me when you're going to release it so i can have a press conference, and, you know, one of my name -- one of the problems that has sort of real its ugly head in the post-9/11 world that we live, immediately after line 11 we lived in a world of kosmas during the lovely period, during the mid 1990's right up to 9/11 when there were annual conference is the cia releasing documents and in fighting historians to come and li

it means the head of counter spy operations for the russian intelligence service, you know, the old kgb has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, posing for russ russia's edition of maxim magazine and an app so people can play poker with anna. she even has her own action figures. officials won't comment on any of this. this russian i this -- >> andrea, thank you very much. good point. >>> let's get a check of the rest of the morning's top stories. natalee morales is in for me. >>> we begin with the up date on the engine woes plaguing the world's largest jet liner. an airbus executive said this morning that rolls royce has identified a faulting bearing becomes box as the cause of the oil leak. there were four previous malfunctions of that engine model dating back to 2008, enough for two warnings to be issued to airlines. >>> a dramatic walkout by one of thing governing parties. leaders struck a power sharing deal for a new governmen

it means the head of counter spy operations for the russian intelligence service, you know, the old kgb has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, posing for russia's edition of maxim magazine, launching a luxury boutique and an app so people can play poker with a virtual anna. she even has her own action figure. u.s. officials won't comment on any of this. but they don't deny pulling off what could be one of the biggest victories for u.s. intelligence since the end of the cold war unless, of course, this russian is a double-double agent. how would we know for sure? >> andrea, thank you very much. good point. >>> let's get a check of the rest of the morning's top stories. natalee morales is in for me. >>> we begin with the update on the engine woes plaguing the world's largest jet liner. an airbus executive said this morning that rolls royce has identified a faulty bearing box as the cause of the oil leak. there were four previous m

head of counter spy operations for these -- for the russian intelligence service, you know, the old kgb, has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, posing for russia's edition of "maxim" magazine, luxury boutique and app so people can play poke we're a virtual anna. she even has her own action figure. >> that was andrea mitchell reporting. >> she's got a new pair op slacks. >> really? >> what politician on both sides can learn from a late daniel patrick. ♪ to connect our forces to what they need, when they need it. ♪ to help troops see danger, before it sees them. ♪ to answer the call of the brave and bring them safely home. [ female announcer ] around the globe, the people of boeing are working together, to support and protect all who serve. that's why we're here. ♪ ♪ ♪ cadillac cts sports sedan. top-tier status edmunds.com. right now get this attractive lease offer on a cadillac cts sport sedan. ♪ cadillac. the new s

hope is i have no knowledge of this, but i trust at least the israeli or the russian equivalent of the kgb and actually i hope the cia or some undercover u.s. intelligence agency is perpetually in the markets either pretending it has something to sell or pretending it is something it wants to buy fy think it is known as a sting operation and the most to the to the best way to prevent any organization like al qaeda is to have people numerous in the market either pretending to have something to sell or having the money with which to buy that people would find it really difficult and may not even have the courage to make contact with a potential seller or potential buyer. my fantasy is that a potential buyer and potential seller dance around with each other finally getting together in order for the one of them to make the purchase and the other to make the sale, and they each have passwords according to which it turns out one of them is from the mossad and the other is from the cia and they have to go back and start all over again. anyway now and we talk about the problem my understanding is

it means the head of counter spy operations for the russian intelligence service, you know, the old kgb has defected to the united states. and if that's true, that's a big blow to the russians. >> reporter: making the most of her role in the cloak and dagger drama is chapman, now a celebrity back home, posing for russ russia's edition of maxim magazine and an app so people can play poker with anna. she even h her own action fires. officials won't comment on any of this. this russian i this -- >> andrea, thank you very much. good point. >>> let's get a check of the rest of the morning's top stories. natalee morales is in for me. >>> we begin with the up date on the engine woes plaguing the world's largest jet liner. an airbus executive said this morning that rolls royce has identifi a faulting bearing becomes box as the cause of the oil leak. there were four previous malfunctions of tha engine model dating back to 2008, enough for two warnings to be issued to airlines. >>> a dramatic walkout by one of thing governing parties. leaders struck a power sharing deal for a new government. nego