will still be giving this hopefully new government in egypt aid. you know first let me just say one thing about the statement you read from prime minister netanyahu it's rather ironic i think at this point that this particular israeli government is calling on other governments to maintain previous agreements despite. the international community calling on them for several years now to you know keep keep the agreements that they have made with the palestinians and particular entering into the road map agreement. the first phase obligation in which was a settlement freeze so hearing this kind of language now from the israeli prime minister is ironic to say the least but getting back to your question about the future of this relationship it really all depends on what type of government ends up emerging in egypt i think that we can say for certain that this relationship will never be the same unless we see the emergence of a nother dictatorship in egypt very similar to the mubarak regime of course that is what the israelis would like to see their prefe

egypt is about 82, 85 million. egypt has the canal, the oil industry. so it has some characteristics of other countries. the pressure that we can do anything. they demonstrate about human rights to president mubarak. so america was behind what was happening from the protesters. so what's happening in egypt now is a signal for the other countries. measures in order to avoid what happened here. >> and given what you just said there, if that region is that unstable, where do you think israel comes into play? should they be concerned about all of this? >> i don't think so. there is a hatred within the people. the government has -- between egypt and israel and between jordan and israel. but even the fear of the muslims -- or other islamic movements, like what happened in hamas and gaza. they said earlier, you can nominate the president in the election coming in september. they are not going to be the majority, but their power in the country is not more than 20%. they started to demonstrate, so in this case, the time is now. but democracy, it's very good to m

they have co-opted the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. kates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a regional power is an international power that doesn't change anything i want to go so i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate it we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself i mean because outside forces it's i tell me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demands a hammer talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having a discuss

but the final say amelia with egypt's military offices. -- melee with egypt military offices. for now, president mubarak seems to be winning the standoff. but he will be going soon, so what happens then? egyptians have to face the possibility suddenly. mubarak -- egypt has always been a police state. the country has been run on emergency legislation for 30 years. under the president, the generals have run a very tight ship. personal freedoms have been in short supply, especially freedom of speech. the new vice president, omar suleiman, another general of course, used to be the head of intelligence. now he speaks for the government. >> i want the opposition to understand we can do what president mubarak has said. and when a new president will come you will have more time to make any changes you want. >> the president's accuses the legal political group be muslim brotherhood of arranging the demonstrations, but there is no evidence of this. the brotherhood was founded in 1928. it has often been illegal, and underground movement. it helps them develop strong discipline and organi

will still be giving this hopefully new government in egypt aid. you know first let me just say one thing about the statement you read from prime minister netanyahu it's rather ironic i think at this point that this particular israeli government is calling on other governments to maintain previous agreements despite. the international community calling on them for several years now to you know keep keep the agreements that they have made with the palestinians and particular entering into the road map agreement. the first phase obligation then which was a settlement freeze so hearing this kind of language now from the israeli prime minister is ironic to say the least but getting back to your question about the future of this relationship it really all depends on what type of government ends up emerging in egypt i think that we can say for certain that this relationship will never be the same unless we see the emergence of a nother dictatorship in egypt very similar to the mubarak regime of course that is what the israelis would like to see their pre

they have co-opted the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. kates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a regional power is an international power that doesn't change anything i want to go just i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate it we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself i mean because outside forces it's for me thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demanding haven't talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having a discussion as

they have co-opted the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. kates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a regional power is an international power that doesn't change anything i want to go so i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate that we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself i mean because outside forces it's i tell me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demands a hammer talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having a discu

there is a danger of that in egypt, yes. but actually the current process has shown up like a different possibilities. the danger people speak of from outside of egypt is really rft muslim brotherhood. and the muslim brotherhood, of course historically has given birth to various more extreme strands of islamism. the egyptian, current egyptian sort of incarnation of the muslim brotherhood is relatively mild. and what they profess is a real attachment to constitutional rule to democracy. they of course want an islamic flavor. the muslim brotherhood because for so long they've been in opposition, they've always seem themselves as being the real voice of the people. and one of the things that has happened in the square is that you have a million people there and the muslim brothers they are at the forefront of the organization and they've been a spearhead in getting this crowd together. but actually, inside the crowd, they don't represent more than a quarter of the people there. they have to realize that they are actually part o

they're paid for by a u.s.aid to egypt. hillary clinton's economic ignorance -- if you turn on your television, to pbs's news hour on the twenty-seventh of january to get analysis of the egyptian events listened to grant beaten, the middle east institute. he said some stupid things. i wonder who is this guy? they did not tell viewers that in 2007 he was himself egypt's chief official of deaver -- lobbyists from washington d.c.. would he offer his analysis? the way you make change is hosni mubarak is strong and given the changes let me ask you to keep that in mind, the key word is. al-jazeera's empire, rasheed, leeds stated getting rid of mubarak is meaningless. the tunisian case where came members of the apparatus where police chiefs and interior ministers have in fact been fired. i would disagree. it is not a done deal. the ring of legal scholar, longtime advocate of human rights, he tipped as in to need a we see the case of a state that denied the existence of a civic society. i contrast civic and civil. civic society is

on this edition of crosstalk peter lavelle and discuss discuss the multiple changes egypt faces as well as the international reaction to it that discussion is coming your way here on r.t. . really do you believe. that you. and you can. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle dilemma democracy versus stability can egypt have both are the u.s. and its allies in the region prepared to see people's power in the arab world succeed and can democratize the middle east bring about peace. and. to discuss democracy in the middle east i'm joined by ramsey by root in seattle he's the editor in chief of the palestine chronicle in jerusalem we go to israel made out he is the director of information resources at the manakin bagan heritage center and in london we go to come out and he is the chairman of the center for the study of terrorism and another member of our cross talk team yelena hunger all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect you have differences of opinion and i do encourage you to jump in here ok if i could go to ramsey first in seattle i think you know looking over the event

they have co-opted the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three decades and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the u.s. is a is a regional power is an international but that doesn't change anything i want to go so i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate that we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources to do so because outside forces it's i tell me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. yeah well you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demanding haven't talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having

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>>> mass confusion tonight in egypt. the world was expecting president mubarak to go, but after a speech to the nation, he's still there, still president. and now it's volatile, with thousands filling the streets. what happens next? "nightly news" begins now. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> good evening. he's refusing to go. hundreds of thousands of protesters in cairo, along with this news organization, the white house, people around the world were expecting to see an aircraft, something, departing cairo by the close of business today with hosni mubarak on board. instead, this man's photo pretty much sums up the reaction of an entire country. when it came time for his speech to the nation on television, mubarak seemed defiant instead. he said all regimes make mistakes, and he said he's cheated death before. so even while the protesters were chanting "get out, get out, mubarak," even though the egyptian army had started the transfer of power, mubarak is still calling himself the president of egypt. thou

is it mubarak or egypt. the next few hours, we will see something different if they do not accept the demands of the people. i think we are in for something ugly tomorrow. >> let's go to washington for a moment. that speech would have been listened to very carefully there. we are joined by our correspondent. it may be too early to have a reaction from washington, but giving a warning that people are moving out of the square, that cannot help but worry washington as well. >> that is not the message that officials here in washington were expecting to hear. just a short while before mr. mubarak went on state television, barack obama told audiences that an event in michigan that we're witnessing history unfold. a very optimistic but short statement from mr. obama. evans in cairo suggesting rather different picture. in some sense, washington has got what it has been pushing for behind-the-scenes for some time. mr. mubarak handed over power to his vice-president, talking about constitutional amendments, but he is

will still be giving this hopefully new government in egypt eight. you know first let me just say one thing about the statement you read from prime minister netanyahu it's rather ironic i think at this point that this particular israeli government is calling on other governments to maintain previous agreements despite . the international community calling on them for several years now to you know keep keep the agreements that they have made with the palestinians and particular entering into the road map agreement. the first phase obligation then which was a settlement freeze so hearing this kind of language now from the israeli prime minister is ironic to say the least but getting back to your question about the future of this relationship it really all depends on what type of government ends up emerging in egypt i think that we can say for certain that this relationship will never be the same unless we see the emergence of a nother dictatorship in egypt very similar to the mubarak regime of course that is what the israelis would like to see their pr

deeply unpopular in egypt. israel feels they have all the understandings they need with the current system in egypt and any change to that system -- >> let me ask you this. if mubarak does go, do you think the camp david accord, the thing that's been in force here for 30 years now is that out the wip doe? >> i think the israelis have better understandings with -- they have excellent understandings with mubarak. they have agreements on gaza and a range of issues. when you start talking about bringing in other players and broader politics in egypt, that's when the israelis get extremely concerned because that leads you away from the kipeds of ver pragmatic understandings that the current government of egypt has reached. >> i think that as long as the army remains the back bone of power, which is the very likelyout come anyway, although i would argue that for many egyptians, fortunately, the army is the instrument of the state, but unfortunately, it's also the instrument of the regime. but that's a different quest

they have co-opted the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. hates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a regional power is an international body that doesn't change anything i want to go so i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate that we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself to me because outside forces it's for me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demands a hammer talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having a discussion

major developments tonight here in egypt. president mubarak's son and other members of the leader's party resign. christiane amanpour is here with me on what this means. protesters asking who is the white house really behind, mubarak who wants to stay until elections or the protesters who want him gone now? >> near miss. what we're learning about a passenger jet and two military planes. >>> the mind games, how super bowl advertisers get in your head. and what we learned about our own correspondent. >>> and back here in egypt tonight, the mississippi woman who traveled all the way just to see the pyramids. what she found when she got there. >>> good evening from cairo tonight. there are several major developments to report. we learned today that president mubarak's son has resigned with several leaders of the party. a significant development. we also learned of phone calls late this evening. vice president joe biden calling the vice president of this country, talking about a concrete timetable, and we saw the line of protester

they have called after the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. kates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a is a regional power is an international power that doesn't change anything i want to go so i want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate that we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself i mean because outside forces it's for me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demanding haven't talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think h

but this is now a new egypt. egyptians realize they are setting an example that is being watched across the middle east, and egyptians firmly believe this revolution that they have started will spread. lester? >> all right, richard. thank you. it is difficult to overestimate the courage it took for egyptians to step from the shadows and openly confront their government. for weeks now we've been hearing from individual egyptians who have shared with us their frustrations and anger. now tonight some are sharing their joy and hope. nbc's ron allen picks up our coverage from tahrir square. ron? >> reporter: good evening, lester. there are still quite a few people out here in the square, but the square is opening up. the party is winding down. there even letting cars here in some parts of the square. we've been out here talking to people we met during the past few weeks asking what they hope the jubilation of the past couple of days brings to the days and weeks ahead. >> it happened. when i thought deep down in my ver

outside of egypt. we want to see a national dialogue. we want to see a transition. what happens during that transition is not up to us, it is up to egypt, so that if any figure is involved, stays longer, stays shorter, again, the key is there is a process that needs -- that leads to fundamental change in response to the people of egypt, and those are issues that are being debated inside of egypt and i will leave it there. >> you keep saying that you will not say what he should do or what he should not do, but you obviously told him not to run. so you obviously have some explicit things he should do and should not do, so why won't you -- why won't you let us know your thoughts about whether you think what he did -- is this going to be enough to satisfy the streets, or does he have to step down? >> again, this is a matter for the egyptian people. at the egyptian people came out to the streets and demanded change. president mubarak and other leaders have made some moves. as to whether those moves are suff

must he leave egypt? >> no. he doesn't have to. of course he doesn't have to leave egypt at all. he's an egyptian. he has the right to live in egypt. but he has to cease power. i think interviews of demonstrators, they have the regime which represents lost legitimacy and i feel he needs to have political responsibility and step aside and get the country to move on and cede power to a council, a tecaretak government and move to a government with free and fair elections, including the right to establish parties. that is key for people to establish parties and to take the time to go and engage. and then you will have among other guarantees free and fair elections, suspend the current institution, suspend the parliament and have a professional constitution. we cannot go through democracy through the current situation which is a dictatorial one. >> let me ask you about the united states' influence at this point. you have been critical of the obama administration for not having a consistent message. what influence is the administration having an events there? >> well, i think the u.s.,

they have up to the egyptians they have neutralized egypt egypt has not been allowed to be a sovereign country for three days. hates and this has got to end the egyptian people are making it very clear that we are reclaiming our own sovereignty the fact that the us is a regional power is an international power that doesn't change anything i want to go want to go to the region and the people want to go to the region before we after the break before we go to the break what do you what do you how do you reflect upon the debate that we've been having here i mean egypt have the resources itself i mean because outside forces it's i to me after thirty years more than thirty years of bad experience we should try plan b. now go ahead. you know what this is a group huge challenge facing the egyptian people the odds are stacked against them it's not clear yet that the military is going to see to all the protesters demands a hammer talked about the emergence of the emergency law all the countries around the region are rooting against them in terms of the government so i think having a discussion a

the united states will continue to be a friend and partner to egypt. we stand ready to provide whatever assistance is necessary and asked for to pursue a credible transition to a democracy. i'm also confident that the same ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit that the young people of egypt have shown in recent days can be harnessed to create new opportunities, jobs and businesses that allow the extraordinary potential of this generation to take flight. and i know that a democratic egypt can advance its role of responsible leadership not only in the region, but around the world. egypt has played a pivotal role in human history for over 6,000 years but over the last few weeks, the wheel of history turned at a blinding pace, as the egyptian people demanded their universal rights. it's our mothers and fathers carrying their children on theii shoulders to show them what true freedom might look like. we saw young egyptians say, for the first time in my life, i really count, my voice is heard. even though i'm only one person, this is the way real democracy wo

that is not true of egypt. egypt is an ancient country. thousands of years of history of the different governmental structures. egypt has a huge impact on the region and egypt has been on the side of the united states since it switched in the late '70s under the president. so in the region now there are pressures from the shiite community from a return to iran. there's the arab/israeli dispute. it's the issue of what we mean by democracy, the relationship between the domestic structure of the government and the capacity to perform internationally. many of the regimes are traditional semifeudal regimes. they have fuj resources. the emergence of the non-state actors that sometimes become as important. and all of this comes together with the egyptian upheaval. >> rose: okay, but what's interesting are two big questions, how they started and who's in the street and what do they represent. that's a big question. and will they prevail is another. one, it went from tunisia to egypt. it l it go to jordan? will it go to yemen? will it go to saudi a

a consensus in egypt that post mubarak egypt will not have a president with as many power. or. or all egyptian presidents decrees of the power of the president so i think the new system that will emerge will have more power sharing among the political forces a stronger parliament a stronger government and with a head of state that's more neutral and with less power so that's why i don't have a lot of fears of one group or hijacking egyptian society we have all colors in the political spectrum the muslim brotherhood yes it's the best organized the position but it's not the majority the majority are still in on this i really believe very. go ahead it's not the most organized group i would contest that it's there are many many divisions within the muslim brotherhood and it's not a monolithic bloc as you would like to present it i agree i agree i don't they have different shades they don't even agree on the single platform they have their reform or they have their conservative they have to put their house in order some wants to work within the democratic system there is another rev

egypt is not iran. there is no idle waiting in the wings to bring this ideology and charisma to the people, to galvanize them and bring them forward into the egyptian masses. there is no equivalent that can galvanize were bring about a coherent opposition to mubarak. i do not think that the people who try to wave the flag and say they have to do something to save mubarak otherwise we would get the islamist fundamentalists in egypt -- it is not going to happen. look at the way the military is handling this. it is threading a very careful path. it has been out around the crowd. it has not suppressed the demonstrations. it has retained its rigidity in the overall complexion of what will come next. it has taken enough of a position so that the crowd welcomes it still. they do not grow by lead. they do not throw stones at them. the symbol of the military, the field marshal who is the millet -- the minister of defense, waited into the crowd yesterday and was welcomed by the crowd. i think the military is very

>> this is not the end of egypt's transition. it's a beginning. >> reporter: the beginning of a long, arduous path to democracy. with the first stage of that path now controlled by egypt's military leaders. the president had a message for them: that they are only a temporary caretaker. >> that means protecting the rights of egypt's citizens, lifting the emergency law, revising the constitution and other laws to make this change irreversible. >> reporter: on this day, the president sounded victorious, but over the past two and a half weeks, with events changing so fast on the ground, some analysts say the white house at times struggled to keep up. >> it's been a tightwire act for the white house and one that has seen, i think, some vacillations in terms of what we've said publicly and how we've tried to manage the environment. >> reporter: and now that high- wire balancing act is sure to continue as the people of egypt focus on freedom and the military keeps its focus on stability. katie? >> couric: chip reid at the white house. c

for egypt's christians? >> plus president obama speaks about his christian faith and has strengthened since he has been in office. >> how this man stood up to hitler and the cost of his life. >> political upheaval rocks egypt what does it mean for country's christians hello i am wendy griffith. >> and i am george thomas. you have seen hundreds of thousands of christians taken to the streets of cairo calling for the resignation of president hosni mubarak. >> egypt's christians have face his hardship under mubarak's regime. john waage reports they are asking for prayer. >> reporter: egyptian street revolution is creating uncertainty around the world especially for 10 million christians in this country of 80 million people. >> most of the churches are closed. people are meeting in homes to pray together. ministries like open doors are being affected significantly because of curfews because of the security issues on the streets. >> earlier this year scenes on you tube of coptic christians being killed and includ

egypt also has several opposition political parties and figures, including someone who ran in egypt's first multicandidate presidential election in 2005. he was later jailed for three years on forgery charges. >> i challenge president mubarak and i will win even from behind these bars. >> brown: in cairo today a second round of opposition talks aimed at developing a coordinated strategy apparently broke down. after youth groups boycotted over charges that traditional parties had agreed to a dialogue with the new government. more now from michele dunne, senior associate at the carnegie endowment for international peace and editor of the online journal the "arab reform bulletin." she's served at the state department and on the national security council staff. mona elta-hawy is a longme reporter in the middle east, now an award-winning columnist and lecturer on arab and muslim issues. and tarek masoud is an assistant professor of public policy at harvard university. he just returned from a three- month trip to egypt, where he was researching opposition politics. i'll start with you. i wa

and egypt? >> the administration came about a little bit late in my view and backing away from zero bart and supporting the democracy move. the past few days the administration has come down solidly in support of freedom and democracy. i think people will remember that and appreciate that. democratic egypt of many may take an independent line in some issues. they certainly want to be part of the west, they certainly wanted in a sense of good relations. they certainly well opposed to terrorism and extremism. the looking forward to the relations. >> at thank you so much for helping us understand and look at what is happening in egypt right now. our remarkable time in history. thank you,. our internet reporter kimberly sakamoto is here with a look at the response of the web to president mubarak's resignation. >> of facebook and twitter been credited with helping put together some of the protest. you to join people what's going on the street. i youtube video showing one crowd reacting to the news th

it is day 13 of the crisis in egypt. now at a crucial moment, protesters continue the call for president mubarak to step down. demonstrators are still in the streets but there is calm after several days of chaos in cairo. as clashes between president mubarak supporters and anti-government protesters turn violent, mubarak dug in, resisting the revolution at his doorstep. >> an orderly transition must be meaningful. it must be peaceful. and it must begin now. >> how do you define "now"? that could mean today, not september. >> now means yesterday. >> this morning the view inside egypt with leading opposition figure mohamed elbaradei and the ambassador to the united states sameh shoukry. what happens next and what will it mean for the middle east and u.s. interests there? i will be joined by the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee john kerry. also part of our special coverage insights and perspective from former secretary of state james baker and reporting from the ground. >> they were hunting down reporters.

in egypt. but before let's have a look at russia's stance on the situation in egypt the turmoil is still not over as that chaos in egypt rages on leaders of the international community warning president mubarak to step down russia's president need to be made today if expressed his hope that the current political crisis would be resolved peacefully and within the bounds of law he also asked mubarak to ensure the security of russian nationals in the bad old egypt according to the russian freddo tourism agency most russian tourists were airlifted tone during the weekend and it hopes to bring back the rest of them by february fourteenth back to peter. you want to say something before the break but also i still like everyone i ask everyone on the panel it seems like over the last two weeks actually the last couple of days is that the united states and western governments and certainly israel spoke out very loudly about it in and out my interpretation is that they want a mubarak lite with which i can

the egypt being a close military part. of the us and israel israel is an important factor in order in this equation i don't think they want to see any change of substance take place unless they are forced to because the public relations they they all all these leaders are very image conscious that they would be along with these protests go on in the more. publicity they get in the world media and the more the european emerging leaders will be forced to make some concessions but only if the air force today they don't care about democracy the people in the square and in karo do i'm sure and i support them but i cannot say the same for the leaders of the west ok mr vague answer very strong sentiments coming back for me that was i will embrace all the historian an outspoken critic of the united states foreign policy many thanks for being here. thank you now is the international media coverage of the unrest in egypt giving a picture on what's going on back to find out more how for this whole thing as the resident hit the street

look, egypt is a-- egypt is a centerist country. centerist and central. >> rose: and secular. >> predominantly secular. yes. religion plays-- . >> rose: secular does not mean there is not a strong religious feeling t just means the government is separate from a theocrayy. >> definitely. and to add to its credit, egypt has had i think a successful secular liberal experience before, from 1919 the egyptian revolution i'm sure you heard about, and especially in 1923, 23 constitution that was really a liberal constitution so we had a party line before, there were some weaknesses within the experience and some short comings but at least we had a legacy. even though it is-- we can build on this legacy there are some institutions in egypt that still have and have takened this liberal legacy. here i'm talking about the judicial system. the judicial system, judiciary in egypt in essence is liberal in terms of training, in terms of ethos and culture, judges and so on. they are liberal. and also more importantly, egyptians for the past at least

>> i believe he is in egypt. i have no specific information. >> a lot of concern about the treaties. the egyptian military said it would honor the treaties. people are worried. do you believe in the future that the peace treaty will israel will stand? >> i believe so. it's been beneficial to egypt over the last 30 years or more. we have derived a peace dividend from this treaty. we have been able to establish security and stability in the region. i believe it is a main element in terms of our foreign policy. >> ambassador shoukry, thank you for joining us. >>> and coming up next, my exclusive interview with the i had really prime minister, ehud barak. and our "roundtable." stay with us. [ male announcer ] succeeding in today's market requires more than wishful thinking. it requires determination and decisive action. go to e-trade and get unbiased analyst ratings and 24/7 help from award-winning customer support to take control of your finances and your life. tap into the power of revolutionary mobile apps. to tra

also as egypt protesters gathered for their biggest rally yet against president mubarak some of the blame for his enormous wealth and abuse of power is pinned on western companies barak is reportedly a multi-billionaire with assets and swiss banks and property in the u.s. u.k. . now on this edition of cross talk peter the valen his gas debate the changes facing egypt and the international reaction to the. world. review the latest in science and technology from the realms. we've done to the future covered. and you can. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle dilemma democracy versus stability can egypt have both are the u.s. and its allies in the region prepared to see people's power in the arab world succeed and can democratize the middle east bring about peace. and. to discuss democracy in the middle east i'm joined by ramsey by root in seattle he's the editor in chief of the palestine chronicle in jerusalem we go to israel made out he is the director of information resources at the manakin bagan heritage center and in london we go to come out and he is the chairman of the cent

in egypt. but before let's have a look at russia's stance on the situation in egypt the turmoil still not over as the chaos in egypt rages on leaders of the international community warning president mubarak to step down russia's president need to make the bid to fix pressed his hope that the current political crisis would be resolved peacefully and within the bounds of law he also lost mubarak to ensure the security of russian nationals in the bad old egypt according to the russian president tourism a. most russian tourists were airlifted home during the weekend and it hopes to bring back the rest of them by february fourteenth back to. ok you want to say something before the break but also just alike everyone ask everyone on the panel it seems like over the last two weeks actually the last couple of days is that the united states and western governments and certainly israel spoke out very loudly about it in and out my interpretation is that they want a mubarak lite suleyman which i can hardly

but i do think that if egypt goes, if egypt ends up the right way, then we very well could be looking at kind of flowering throughout the arab world. >> rose: let me go to washington emad shaheen. tell me how you see this moment in history and what you think is at the core of it. >> well, i think we're seeing before our eyes history in the making. this is the arab tsunami of democracy. or you can say that this is the arabs' attempt to ride the wave of democracy. the third wave has missed the arabs by a few chapters. now the arabs are catching up. the interesting thing in this new wave is that it's being charted by the youth, the arab youth that have been born and raised under dictatorship, under hypocrisy. and also fed up with the existing former political structures, manipulated by highly and easily co-opted political parties and members of the organization of the civil society. so they rose up to say their words, using highly efficient techniques of internet, facebook innovative and resourceful means of organization. it's now the day of the arab youth and, of course, they managed to

the market story is going to be focused again on what's happening in egypt and you know is this. protest in egypt going to spread is the oil price going to spike higher that's going to be a big driver for the restraint on the other side we've got some we expect some news coming out on. russian numbers from gas problem roster after markets can be very focused on those particularly on rosner strategy especially in the context of b.p. deal that's going to get a lot of attention on the third point is we've got u.s. non-farm payrolls u.s. employment report this is always a big trading day when we have those numbers coming out from the u.s. and the market we're looking for any evidence of economic recovery in the u.s. . the u.n. food and agriculture organization said food prices reached a historic high last month the rising cost of staples were was among the triggers behind the protests in egypt tunisia and elsewhere but hugh hendry c.e.o. of x x lexica asset management says the world has not yet seen prices peak i coach is the one sector in the world which was uncorrelated to the bank

this week into egypt. some ominous signs there. in bahrain we have not so much an economic revolt or even an islamist re development. what we have is a monarchy that a schooneee, 70% of the population s shia so you have a tremendous imbalance there and pay close attention to iran. because iran is a mischief maker in bahrain. they want to support the see hartsfield-jackson but also they would like to see a shia uprising take hold to get the united states' fifth fleet out of there. >> what's the impact on israel? >> very dangerous because right now israel is surrounded by iran on all sides, hezbollah to the north and lebanon and syria, hamas in the south with gaza, the egyptian situation continues to unfold. looks like the muslim brotherhood and other islamists influence could ride this to at least a conclusion that they can control and expand their influence, and now you've got -- >> maybe not -- >> iran playing games. >> maybe not! exactly. >> what do you think? >> maybe not. i think -- brotherhood -- than

first tunisia and now egypt. it has drawn sharp criticism now that the old regime in tunisia is history. eu foreign ministers decided to freeze the assets of the former president. more can't be said for the broader european mind on how to respond to the change. >> with criticism leveled at the eu, there was no coherent message from brussels. egypt needs and democratic reforms. >> we stand on the side of those fighting for democracy and freedom of speech. >> this sentiment represents a significant change. europe looked at the egyptian regime as a look of stability in the middle east. it earned them respect and the west, which turned a blind eye to oppression in egypt and tunisia. >> the interests are more converging th the government than with the people. era of autocrats are allowed to live box -- buy blocks of luxury real estate in paris. it has to support those that stand for democratic structures and the rule of law. it appears that the european union connt tstanon th sidelines. the >> have called for free and

we are the sons of egypt. not him, he's not egyptian. >> reporter: president mubarak came to power in 1981. he was sitting next to president anwar sadat when he was assassinated by islamic militants. mubarak, the air force commander and vice president, assumed office under martial law, but mubarak never repealed that state of emergency and kept it in place to safeguard his position, enrich his family and supporters and allow the security services to silence any opposition. today, the people of egypt freed themselves, with help from the military. u.s. officials tell nbc news the egyptian military broke with mubarak after his speech last night. mubarak was expected to resign, but didn't. the 82-year-old president, in poor health, just couldn't bring himself to do it. mubarak thought the protests, which he blamed on foreign media and excitable young people, would go away. the military was furious. senior officers threatened to take off their uniforms and join the protesters. with the military and the people no lo

tainted by his israeli ties and seen as an envoy for egypt. amamoussa is the man to watch. >> mubarak says he will give up this time in september. that is a long time. what do you think will happen between now and then? >> on very simple terms, investors who had taken all their money out last week will not come back until after the election. that is it the election goes well. the situation is too precarious. tourists, again, they probably will not want to risk it. it could be devastating for the people working around the pyramids or around the luxor and the hotels. it will be terrible for them. i fear for a campaign of purges or punishment for people who have spoken against mubarak, lawyers, judges, activists, and even journalists may be expelled or incarcerated or tortured. i think this protest has been a knee-jerk reaction to a community uprising and it may have happened eight months too early. >> do you think, in that case, that this momentum, the process, of the people will get tired and there will be some kind of normality and they will g

i want what's best for egypt. so everybody that went to the square was accused of trying to hijack the revolution. i was not... i was only when anybody asked me what do you want out of this for yourself i will tell you i want my kids to live here and hopefully die here like i'm going to live here and die here. because this is my favorite country. this is a beautiful country. look. look behind you now. you've come many times here. the people here are beautiful, are kind, are witty. look how many jokes were made during this i defy any country the whole world who would generate so many jokes like the jokes generated in.... >> rose: what's the best joke you've heard that >> one guy was holding a sign saying "leave because my hand is starting to hurt me." (laughs) >> rose: (laughs) >> the other one, another sign saying "please leave, i haven't seen my wife in two weeks." >> rose: (laughs) >> so there was a lot of nice jokes, you know? >> rose: do you believe that this change as you said earlier will sweep the middle ea