the agency was convinced that it was a relatively small number, and harry rowen and charles wolf, i think, from rand concluded it was much closer to what adolf hitler in germany was spending in the period prior to the beginning of world war ii. it turned out they both were right as to what was being produced, because we could see it and look at it and count it. what was different was the size of the economy. the soviet economy was much smaller. therefore, the percentage was much higher. of course, the importance of it was, it showed a certain sense of purpose in the determination. if you're willing to deny your consumers, that's a big deal. of course, in the reagan era, when the cold war was won, if you will, that critical question as to how could the economy of the soviet union survive what they were spending was a non -- it was not trivial, that question that was being debated, and it turned out the agency was wrong. i give them a lot of credit. i think we've got a lot of wonderful intelligence people working their heads off trying to do it right. it's very, very hard. we're dealing wit