hayden's philosophy was to let private industry do the job. enormous deals were signed with defense contractors. bill binney's thin thread program cost $3 million; trailblazer would run more than a billion and take years to develop. do you have any idea why general hayden decided to go with trailblazer as opposed to thin thread, which already existed? >> drake: i believe he was convinced by others that going with a large scale, industrial strength solution was the approach that n.s.a. needed to take. you can't really understand why they would make that kind of a decision without understanding the culture of n.s.a. >> pelley: help me understand it. >> drake: careers are built on projects and programs-- the bigger, the better the career. >> pelley: this might be just another washington tale of competing defense projects and disgruntled losers, except the winner in this case, trailblazer, was in trouble from the start. contractors burned through hundreds of millions of dollars over years, and still couldn't give the n.s.a. the capability it so ur

general hayden, i want to start with you. the news that mr. donilon talked about -- this is the largest trove of data from any single terrorist that the government has found. what are you learning now that we didn't know before? >> well, i think they're going after -- several things, david. the first thing you want to find out is imminent threat information. the second layer of detail you want to find out is locational information and al qaeda leadership. and then the third, and this is the long-term effort, you're essentially creating an encyclopedia of how al qaeda operates, what their system is, their tactics, their techniques, their procedures. this is wonderful not just in its size, but we have not gotten what we call sse, sensitive site exploitation, going in and getting materials on al qaeda leadership for several years. so, it's big and it's new. >> it was the understanding of the intelligence community, secretary chertoff, that after 9/11, he no longer became operationally involved. now, we're seeing these videos -- difficult to know,

the gift mike hayden gave him. he said everything you think you need to do, we've already done, and restore that program. and he can do that in a very, very easy way. he can amend the executive order that he signed on the second day of office with a few words. unless otherwise authorize bid the president. when he limits it. he could announce that there is a classified anex to the army field manual that was added. it could be a blank page or the six techniques, the torture -- as long as the terrorists don't know what they're facing the key to the success of breaking these people is they can't know what they're facing and if they do know they can resist it. ksm figured out the limits. he actually mocked his interrogators by holding off his arm and count off the seconds with his hand. he knew how far you can go. and when they know it is very, very hard to break them. >> i would like to suggest that the way to move forward is actually not to focus on interrogation right now. because interrogation presents probably the

director general michael hayden. >> who knew what and when i know? i guess the departure point will be how long do we tnk he was there? and what happens the story on the street in that town? who was in that compound? who was coming and going? who knew what? who chose to avoid knowing? and perhaps who chos to avoid revealing what it was they did know. these are really serious questions. >> rose: we conclude with david ignatius of the "washington post," steve coll of the new america foundation and also the author of a book about the bin ladens. and finally dexter filkins of the "new yorker" magazine from istanbul, turkey. >> it may be more difficult now for president bush to make the case... president obama to make the case to stay in afghanistan. people are going to say "hey, look, he's dead, let's bring the boys home." but when you're in afghanistan, as i just was, the senior leadership there in the american military, i mean, i think down to the last person, they all believe that this is a multiyear if not a generational effort. >> rose: perspectives

hayden, i want to start with you. the news mr. donald talked about, this is the largest trove of information that the government has found. what did you learn from this? >> the first is you want to find out a thread of information. the second detail you want to find out is locational information and al-qaeda leadership, and then the third, and this is the long-term effort, you're essentially creating an encyclopedia of how al-qaeda operates, what the system is, their tactics, their techniques, their procedures. this is wonderful not just in its size, but we have not gotten what we call sse, sensitive site exploitation, going in and getting materials on al-qaeda leadership for several years. so it's big and it's new. >> it was the understanding of the intelligence secretary chernoff that after 9/11 no longer became operationally involved. we're seeing these videos. difficult to know, but you heard donald say we think he was more directly in control. what do you think that means? >> i think it's going to cause us to evaluate a littl

. >> reporter: former cy director michael hayden recalls the early misfires. >> most of what he had looked more likele elvis sightings than intelligence. >> reporter: the trail caught fire last august when u.s. intelligence zeroed in on this compound. >> an unusual compound. unusualle in its security, in its size and location. >> reporter: its location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reasons it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business. and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot-high wallses. >> what they began to notice is the occupant burned their trash. they couldn't determine that there was any internet access or telephone in this compound. >> it was a lack of things they did that was really interesting. you know, for a family that lived there for several years, never went to the movies, never went grocery shopping. >> rep

. >> reporter: former cia director michael hayden recalls the early misfires. >> most of what he had looked more like elvis sightings than intelligence. >> reporter: the trail caught fire last august when u.s. intelligence zeroed in on this compound. >> an unusual compound. unusual in its security, in its size and location. >> reporter: its location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reasons it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business. and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot-high walls. >> what they began to notice is the occupant burned their trash. they couldn't determine that there was any internet access or telephone in this compound. >> it was a lack of things they did that was really interesting. you know, for a family that lived there for several years, never went to the movies, never went grocery shopping. >> re

. >> reporter: former cia director michael hayden recalls the early misfires. >> most of what we had looked many more like elvis sightings rather than substantive intelligence. >> u.s. intelligence zeroed in on this compound. >> an unusual compound. unusual in security, unnushl the size and frankly unusual in its location. >> reporter: it's location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reason ares it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business, and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot high walls. >> what they began to notice is the occupants burned their trash. they couldn't determine there was any internet access or telephone in this compound. >> there was a lack of things they did that was interesting. for a family that lived there for several years who never went to the movies or grocery shopping. >> reporter: to build a b

. >> reporter: former cia director michael hayden recalls the early misfires. >> most of what he had looked more like elvis sightings than intelligence. >> reporter: the trail caught fire last august when u.s. intelligence zeroed in on this compound. >> an unusual compound. unusual in its security, in its size and location. >> reporter: its location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reasons it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business. and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot-high walls. >> what they began to notice is the occupant burned their trash. they couldn't determine that there was any internet access or telephone in this compound. >> it was a lack of things they did that was really interesting. you know, for a family that misfires. >> most of what he had looked more like elvis sightings than intelligence. >> rep

former cia director michael hayden was a guest today on cnn's "fareed zakaria: gps." earlier this hour we heard him talk about the courier who unwittingly led them to obama's doorstep. he said the ci airks began keeping tabs on that courier four years ago. hayden also talked about obama' decision to launch the raid on bin laden's compound. >> i would have been very worried. i know my friends at the agency were very worried. but frankly, fareed, this was a courages you choice on the part of the president. make no mistake about it. in addition to being courageous, i think it was also inevitable. this was the very best chance we had to kill or capture this target. the president had choices. made more difficult because even as those helicopters were going over the wall, everything we had on this facility, the belief that bin laden was there, was truly circumstantial. there were no sightings. nothing that you can point to and say, that's it. that's him. so the president made this decision even in the face of uncertainty. that requires some courage. but, frankly, i cannot i

>> let me pick up where mike hayden left off. the al-qaeda of today is different than it was ten years ago but bin laden was always at the center and always the source of inspire 86. by hollowing out the center we have significantly did main initialed it's cape act and just as we saw you with zarkwahi in iraq there will be leadership succession. by the same token for al-qaeda it does have a lot of vulnerabilities because there could be squalling, there could be internal struggles and that provides intelligence opportunities for us. i think also it many will we important to find out what else we can discover in that compound. certainly if he had a rolodex and we are able to find us that, that gives us additional needs in inerms of administer in heighting. >> you traveled around a the world and to pakistan. there were puck lic public ande conversations. one would think this would be an opportunity to use even more leverage against the pakistanis to get them to do more. >> well, agree with charles and mike that it will be very inter

>> reporter: back on meet the press, former cia director hayden argued now is not the time to ease up. >> our tempo should increase. this could be a we should press the fight. >> reporter: how we got to bin laden hotly debated and whether controversial interrogation techniques are justified. former secretary of defense rumsfeld. >> it's clear they worked and to have taken them away i think was mistake. >> reporter: and dick cheney with praise for president obama. >> you have to give him a lot of credit for making the decision to have the seal team 6 conduct the raid that got bin laden. no question that was his responsibility, and i think he handled it well. high marks for making that decision. >> reporter: melanie alnwick, fox 5 news. >>> coming up, redskins' former executive director weighs in on the draft. >>> mother nature is working for us. no shortage of sunshine in the week ahead. wait until i tell you how long it sticks around. we'll be back after the break.          >>> hopefully all our mothers had a nice mother's day today. 74degrees at

mike hayden actually briefed the president on this program. actually had a representative temperature state the neebs to the president. his reaction was "that's it"? that's all that was left in program. no one knew that. what president obama did was he canceled that which no one could possibly consider torture. released all the techniques to the world so the terrorists could learn the legal extent of what we could do in interrogation. so what the president could do looking forward. >> some people just don't want to look forward. >> what we could do simply is restore what he closed, what he shut down, what he inherited. the gift mike hayden gave him, he said everything you think you need to do, we have already done. he can do that in a very, very easy way. he can amend the executive order that he signed the seaked day of office. -- second day of office. he could announce that there was a classified annex to the field manual that has been added. it can be a blank page. the torture with ensure and the mild sleep deprivation. as long as the trorse

general hayden testified last week. can you describe your relationship with the secretary of defense and does the role of the usdi have an effect? >> that was not my experience, senator brown. i thought that general clapper undersecretary of defense and i as d.n.i. worked very well together. and if he were sitting here together i'm confident he would say the same thing. i know senator leiberman was involved in some of the angsts from the department of defense. that dissipated by the time i had the honor of being d.n.i. there are two important reasons for this. number one is the really important security challenges we face these days have so much of a military aspect mixed up with the nonmilitary aspect, economic, social, others, the idea that you can hide a problem and say that's for the pentagon, this other stuff is for c.i.a., i.n.r., it's long gone. if you look at our big problems, afghanistan, terrorism. the military aspects are all together and you have to use intelligence whether it happens to be signals intellige

we have got bob hayden and mark western from poe. >> thank you. good morning. this resolution before you is for one of a number of grants that we have or are expecting to receive shortly, which altogether provide the funding for us to install the electric vehicle public charging that we had planned for the city as our first effort this year in making public charging available for residents throughout the city. one month ago i was before you when we had a resolution for a grant that allowed us to receive a number of electric vehicle charging equipment, charters themselves, as a result of getting several federal grants. this resolution before you today is for a grant from the bay area air quality management district that helps us install -- helps it so that we can install additional chargers for the remainder of the year. this grant is specifically to cover the cost of materials that are associated with putting those chargers in. pipes, conduit, wiring, a considerable amount. as i indicated, part of these chargers will be the ones that we received through the gra

michael hayden, the former director of the cia, tells cnn's fareed zacaria about this a few years ago. >> it was four years ago in 2007 when had built up sufficient lead information on the name of the courier we thought was ready for presidential primetime. we briefed it to the president, not as something eminent, but as the most promising lead to track down bin laden because frankly the trail has been cold for a long period of time. >> hayden says that an important lead in the hunt for that courier came from detainee interrogations at so-called black sites, secret, cia prisons located outside the united states. >>> all right. now we'll turn our attention to memphis now. officials there are warning residents to brace for a large-scale disaster as the mississippi river continues to rise. this is as live view from downtown memphis with the interstate 40 bridge in the background. a lot of the park you see in this shot is now under water. >>> as you can see from this map, no fewer than eight midwestern and southern states have been dealing with the rampaging river. we'll go to cairo, egyp

. >> reporter: we met tyler and amber hayden and their kids, picking through the rubble of what was their new home. they consider themselves blessed, though, as if someone was watching over their young family. because when the storm hit, they held each other and survived. >> all five of us came back and got in the closet. >> two of you and three little ones? >> we were underneath the blankets and the pillows back there. you can see where it kind of started to come up there. and he was holding this door shut from the inside. >> reporter: you could feel it -- >> i had my feet on both sides of the door frame and had my hands on the doorknob, keeping it from pulling. >> reporter: like strangers in a newly strange land, the survivors came home to the destruction zone, looking for something, anything, to salvage. it's all gone, though. let me give you a sense of the scale of the destruction here in joplin. out there in the distance that is the wrecked hospital. everything between there and here is obliterated, just gone. the storm, like a bomb, just destroying this entire part of the city. >> r

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general hayden? >> yes, maam. admiral mcconnell and i had that very issue for quite a while when we were in office and unfortunately the he couldn't get it across the finish line. i recall, this is a very emotional issue for the cia and i was doing my duty in terms of representing and frequently my senior staff would say you just take this to mr. hadley or someone else in the white house. my response was guys, we take this to the white house, we lose. there is no way the white house can support the dni in this kind of issue. frankly i think the dni was wrong. i think it should be a station chief. i think our foreign partners expected to be the station chief but the dni has a right to be wrong without being over ruled and such a public humiliating way by the white house, so i agree with john. it was a very bad thing. in terms of moving personnel around in general, falling back a little bit on the military model commanders talked his commanders. commanders don't command troops inside other people's org

directors, george tenet, porter goss, and general hayden have all said that the take from those three people that were water boarded constituted a major fraction of all our knowledge about al qaeda. the fourth c.i.a. director, panetta, leon panetta, has said very recently on television that some of that information was part of a patchwork or mosaic that led to the attack on osama bin laden. so i think that it's clear that that... those techniques that the c.i.a. used worked. and to have taken them away and ruled them out i think may be a mistake. i would add, however, that i think that the department of justice investigation into the c.i.a. operatives who were involved with enhanced interrogation techniques is a most unfortunate thing. these people were operating at the direction of the president. they were doing things that had been approved by the department of justice and it sends a chill throughout the government in terms of not just the c.i.a. people but also the military people that they're going to have to get lawyered up if they do something. i imagine if a year from now or tw

how is the drug trafficking into pakistan how does hayden. oh it's hidden the same the drug barons operated the sale of the world it goes to tyson and central asian republics it goes from here on it goes through other sources and we happen to be one of the credit companies goes country it goes to pakistan also loads thirty thirty five percent approval from pakistan did use all the means whether it's your you know his men packed. crossing into. grew up mostly rooms and take it on the board and in me is that they would all be sick it's the water which is continuously going on they would all record for a few days then change to the next then to the next so that organisation on the other side which is doing it is very smart very educated and very well informed and we continue to fight there and we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing war which is going on makes us diplomatic cables points to corruption involved controls between afghanistan and pakistan through which drugs flow what's being done to tackle cross border corruption cross borde

how is the drug traffic into pakistan how it's hayden. how it's hidden the save a drug barons operate the civvy all of the word it goes through the eyes town and central asian recall basic goes through here on it goes through others and sources and we happen to be one of the product only of course country goes to pakistan also the low thirty thirty five percent approval for the parts that did use all the means red that it's a year old and it's meant back. crossing into. two of our coastal regions and they get on the board and seen me is that they did all they say it's the water which is continuously going on they would all method for a few days then change to the next then to the next so they're all medication on the other side which is doing it is very smart very dry and very well informed and we continue to feed there we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing war which is going on makes us diplomatic cables points to corruption and border controls and so you can assign hockey star and throw wheat straw. what's being done to tackle

general hayden? >> yes, maam. admiral mcconnell and i had that very issue for quite a while when we were in ofce and unfortunately the he couldn't get it across the finish line. i recall, this is a very emotional issue for the cia and i was doing my duty in terms of representing and frequently my senior staff would say you just take this to mr. hadley or someone else in the white house. my response was guys, we take this to the white house, we lose. there is no way the white house can support the dni in this kind of issue. frankly i think the dni was wrong. i think it should be a station chief. i think our foreign partners expected to be the station chief but the i has a right to be wrong without being over ruled and such a public humiliating way by the white house, so i agree with john. it was a very bad thing. in terms of moving personnel around in general, falling back a little bit on the military model commanders talked his commanders. commanders don't command troops inside other people's organiz

i went to the same school as michael hayden. catholics are ashamed of him. the architect of 9/11 is coming to a conference in america next week. death to the architect of 9/11. host: those are your thoughts, alice. we are reporting the death of osama bin laden being reported yesterday. killed in a compound, the compound had a value of $1 million, according to news reports this morning. here is the front page of "the new york times" this morning. host: good morning. nina? caller: [unintelligible] i think that we are overlooking the fact [unintelligible] u.s. invaded afghanistan [unintelligible] extremist people. [unintelligible] sending their army over. what they did was basically wrong, internationally. we could have asked the pakistanis afghanistan [unintelligible] what price is paid for it? even though we have captured this criminal, we still have to walk out so that the people can continue their livelihood. [unintelligible] they are extremist groups. host: we will continue with your phone calls on today's "washington journal." we have about two hours left

how is the drug trafficking into pakistan how does hayden. oh it's hidden the same be drug barons operated the save the all of the word it goes through dies down in central asian republics it goes from here on it goes through other sources and we haven't we one of the truthers from you goes country he goes to pakistan also won't take you thirty five percent approval from pakistan they do it all the means read that it's your first man back. pricing into. two other western regions and take it on the board and in me is their data dog you're sick it's a water which is continuously going on they would all method for a few days then change to the next then to the next so their organization on the other side which is doing it is very smart very educated and very well informed and we continue to fight there and we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing war which is going on makes us diplomatic cables points to corruption in border controls between afghanistan and pakistan through which drugs. what's being done to tackle cross border corruption c

how is the drug traffic into pakistan how does hayden. oh it's hidden the same of a drug barons or create the sale of the water it goes through dies down in central asian republics a growth for iran it goes to others and forces and we happen to be one of the credit goes country it goes to pakistan also low thirty thirty five percent flow from pakistan did use all the means whether it's zero or where it's meant back it's pricing into. to other cost reasons and take it on the board and dean way is that they did all six it's award which is continuously going on give it out on the third fourth few days then change to the next to the next so they're called meditation on the other side which is going it is very smart very educated and very well informed and we continue to fight that we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing one which is going on links us diplomatic cables points to corruption and border controls between afghanistan and pakistan through wheat straw . what's being done to tackle cross borders. corruption cross border corrupt

and at last week's hearing, general hayden prefers the term coach. i will be interested to hear whether or not admiral blair believes that dni has been empowered to fill this critical role, regardless of what you call it. at the first hearing in this series, the leaders of the 9/11 commission, governor kaine and congressman hamilton, agreed that presidential advisers john brennan is in many respects performing the role that we envisioned for the dni when we offered the law. that troubles me, not due to any doubts about mr. brennan's capabilities, but because of that choice, that structure undermines the statutory role of the dni. we assess therefore the fundamental question, are changes in the long required in order to realize the potential of the dni, or is this simply a matter of more fidelity to the 2004 law. admiral, thank you for being here today, and i look forward to hearing your testimony. >> thanks very much, senator collins. admiral blair, it's all yours. thanks for being here. [inaudible] >> sir, could you just push the button on the micro

muslim outreach is in america post i'm joined by activist author and former california state senator tom hayden. welcome. thomas nice to see you it's great to see you again too sir is always here you ok great is this a game changer american counterterrorism operations. i hate these sports analogies but certainly it's a profound moment especially for the families in new york the younger generation that came of age with nine eleven some of us who've been around longer. need to apply some historical memory here it seems to me if it comes down to this this is a triumphal moment for obama for the cia and it could be the one moment in his presidency when he has the political credibility to announce a substantial withdrawal from afghanistan and iraq on the grounds that. that the bin laden's threat is gone and we will know within they are weeks how many troops the president is willing to withdraw otherwise. it seems to me we will have learned that he has no intention of a significant withdrawal and the the victory here the political victory will be for more secrecy more cia operations. more trillion do

i'm joined by activist author and former california state senator tom hayden. welcome. thomas nice to see you it's great to see you again too sir is here you ok great is this a game changer american counterterrorism operations. i hate these sports analogies but certainly it's profound moment especially for the families in new york the younger generation that came of age with nine eleven some of us who've been around longer. need to apply some historical memory here it seems to me it is the it comes down to this is a triumphal moment for barack obama for the cia and it could be the one moment in his presidency when he has the political credibility to announce a substantial withdrawal from afghanistan and iraq on the grounds that. that the bin laden's threat is gone and we will know within days or weeks how many troops the president is willing to withdraw otherwise. it seems to me we will have learned that is no intention of a significant withdrawal and the the victory here the political victory will be for more secrecy more cia operations. more trillion dollar wars and.

general hayden? >> yes, maam. admiral mcconnell and i had that very issue for quite a while when we were in office and unfortunately the he couldn't get it across the finish line. i recall, this is a very emotional issue for the cia and i was doing my duty in terms of representing and frequently my senior staff would say you just take this to mr. hadley or someone else in the white house. my response was guys, we take this to the white house, we lose. there is no way the white house can support the dni in this kind of issue. frankly i think the dni was wrong. i think it should be a station chief. i think our foreign partners expected to be the station chief but the dni has a right to be wrong without being over ruled and such a public humiliating way by the white house, so i agree with john. it was a very bad thing. in terms of moving personnel around in general, falling back a little bit on the military model commanders talked his commanders. commanders don't command troops inside other people's org

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to watch our borders and cannot let our guard down. -- the american public must realize. >> michael hayden, former cia chief, was interviewed. >> the retired general is joining us on the phone, former cia director from 2006 through 2009. general, let me read this paragraph. can you speak to that a little more, general? >> i can, without getting too specific. this is largely based on human intelligence, which in many ways is the best kind. it gets you deeper into the enemy's thinking and allows you to divine the enemy's intentions. it seems to me that when you get to the level of competence the president must have had this past weekend, that this kind of source network has built up the kind of confidence that he needed to pay attention. operationally and politically risky stock was ordered in this raid. >> can you tell us about the process of briefing the president of united states. you said the president had to think long and hard about this. what goes into a decision like this? >> at the agency, you allow things to write and to appoint where they are ready for prime time. you don't want t

mike hayden said recently that outside of battlefield of afghanistan and iraq, there is not been one high-value detention by the united states since president obama took office. we are simply -- it is not a question of what techniques, we are not even not at point. we are doing battle field interrogation in iraq and afghanistan. this is the most exclusive club in the world. this is the hardest group to get into. this is the cream of the crop. there are people out there like that today. this administration has been blowing them up with predators, which is better than letting them go, but we are not getting any intelligence. president obama deserves credit for making the decision to send troops on the. into the compound because if he had not done that, that whole treasure trove that they're gone through would have been blown up. it would have been gone. what'd be excuses for doing predators versus these kinds of raids, back in the early days, they were in big cities. now they have moved to the tribal regions and you cannot get teams in fair because it is too high risk. there is right n

you had among them supreme court justice arthur goldberg, the actor sterling hayden, white sox catcher moe berg, an historian arthur schlesinger, jr. but perhaps the most unusual and notable was the chef julia child. the news that julie had worked for the oss made headlines across the country. everywhere i went on this book tour for the next few weeks people would stop me and asked me what she really a spy. what did she do, where did she go? and i didn't know the answer to any other questions i began doing some research, and one thing or another led to the beginning of this book. now, like so many wartime secrets, julia childs oss grid was really not a secret at all. that basic facts of her intelligence career could be looked at this easily ingredients to a recipe for quiche lorraine. laid in her life she opened up a bit about our past. she had broken her vow of silence and talked a bit about her escapades for the oss. she even mentioned a few paragraphs about it in her memoir, my life in france. it was mentioned in various books. one movie about her and paul had a brief bit about it.

the facts are, general mike hayden came in, he had no connection with water boarding anybody. he looked at all the evidence and determined that a major fraction of information from al qaeda, the only three people who were water boarded -- three people. >> and that led to the information of the nickname of the courier and this, by the way, we have had this for years. and this was pursued during the bush years. the courier's name was found, he was identified and through eavesdropping, we were able to locate him and then locate osama bin laden. but that brings up the issue of black sites, enhanced bergs, rendition, we would not have had this success. these are the very policies -- i praised the president, i think it was a gutsy move to go in and get him to have identification. but if he had had his way, we wouldn't have had this intelligence. >> you are right. i agree that he made the right decision. rather than using cruise missiles or drones to attack the facility, i think using the seal teams and going in and getting him physically, identifying him, knowing that that is what's

. >> reporter: junior maria is a student at the mostly latino carl hayden high school in phoenix, arizona. the average family here makes less than $30,000 a year. >> maria, what is the ratios of the 45? >> the one and one and the radical two. >> one, one, radical two. beautiful thing, right? >> reporter: maria wants a career that pays well and is pushing herself and her school to get it. >> i was like, well, why isn't anybody challenging me? i mean, i would do a whole week's lesson in a class period. and i was just like, okay, this is too simple for me. it's like, okay, what's next? >> reporter: do you worry when you go off to college you're not going to be prepared to compete? >> yeah. especially like with this example, english. we're learning how to capitalize and when to capitalize. i mean, that's things my little sister should be learning, you know. >> reporter: it's because more than half of the 2200 students at maria's school don't pass statewide tests in reading and math. >> when they come to school, you know, they come with fourth grade reading level and behind in math, so we real

the 9/11 attacks, rudy giuliani, former director of the cia during the bush administration, michael hayden, and former director of homeland security, michael chertoff. plus the impact and what it means for president obama in 2012. all coming up this morning on "meet the press." >>> a new york-based game company has released a new video game called the death of osama bin laden. he players have five minutes to navigate a maze of rooms to get to the al qaeda leader. they also have to gather the intelligence and destroy the downed helicopter outside bin laden's compound. the company has also released games based on other military missions, including the capture of saddam hussein. >>> of course, the good folks at "snl" couldn't pass up the chance to talk about osama bin laden's death. >> that's right. they decided to imagine what it would be like if a tape were found of bin laden's last will and testament. take a listen. >> place of burial, i leave the decision to my executors provided that wherever it is, they do not bury me at sea. as my family well knows, i have a deathly fear of being eaten