. >> that was craig robinson >> that was craig roberson introducing his sister michelle at the democratic national convention and joins me back again now. what was the moment when michelle was dating, what was the moment that you realized that this guy may be something special politically? >> i had no idea at the time when i met him. i mean, he was a lawyer. he had been a community organizer. i knew he had political aspirations, but he never came off as a political guy to me. he always seemed like just a normal smart guy, great personality, who looked like he'd be a good fit with my sister. that is how i looked at it, and it wasn't until he really started getting into politics and those first early campaigns where i saw, you know, he's got a gift for this >> i remember watching him speak for the first time around 2004, i think it was, and thinking, wow, who is this guy? because he -- he just had something, and other people picked up on it, and then obviously he ended up running and ended up winning, and then you make your speech there. what's the moment like for you personally on a human