the people at the c.i.a. had the kind of patriotism, service, integrity that general peteus and, frankly, i became accustomed to seeing inside the armed forces. so that part of a transition should be pretty straightforward >> rose: does this do a lot for the morale of c.i.a. because it brings their own confidence back into play. >> i'm sure it helps. but the people at the agency know what they do. it's a rare thing and today's a rare day when a c.i.a. success is on page one above the fold. what we normally see are c.i.a. failures-- real or alleged-- in that position in the morning paper. so today's a real good day for the agency and its people. >> rose: general hayden, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: joining me now from washington, david ignatius of the "washington post," steve coll of the "new yorker" magazine and via satellite from istanbul turkey is dexer, filkins, i'm pleased to have them on this program to talk about the extraordinary event. dexter, first to you, then st

under the mccain amendment but it is not the law for the c.i.a. and the c.i.a. is bound by common article 3 and it's bound by the other terms of the mccain amendment which prohibit cruel and inhuman and degrading treatment. but the field manual was never designed to exhaust the list of lawful techniques that are not cruel and inhuman and degrading treatment. i'm not sure everybody but i think it is widely agreed that between the field manual and the legal line there is some degree of space. and we argue about how much space there is and what does and doesn't fit under it. but i think the argument that there is some category of, the word enhanced has a weird cannot toation now. but i mean it nonyou've mistically here enhanced over what the military is permitted to do under the field manual but still within the law is overprourlingly strong and the question of why you don't, why the administration has chosen as a peru dential matter to go nowhere near the legal line even in the highest value cases is an interesting and important question. now, i think the answer t

the people at the c.i.a. had the kind of patriotism, service, integrity that general peteus and, frankly, i became accustomed to seeing inside the armed forces. so that part of a transition should be pretty straightforward >> rose: does this do a lot for the morale of c.i.a. because it brings their own confidence back into play. >> i'm sure it helps. but the people at the agency know what they do. it's a rare thing and today's a rare day when a c.i.a. success is on page one above the fold. what we normally see are c.i.a. failures-- real or alleged-- in that position in the morning paper. so today's a real good day for the agency and its people. >> rose: general hayden, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, charlie. ros joing m n from washington, david ignatius of the "washington post," steve coll of the "new yorker" magazine and via satellite from istanbul turkey is dexer, filkins, i'm pleased to have them on this program to talk about the extraordinary event. dexter, first to you, then steve then d

>> the greatest c.i.a. operation in history that we know about it and the fact he was communicating using thumb drives and flash drives. chris: the little gadgets you transmit information. right. he didn't have wireless service and this is what the couriers were taking around. it's an incredible haul and the problem they have is how to process that information as quickly as they can and see the whole grand picture that this cache gives them. >> there was rolling up. chris: what's rolling up mean? >> finding the clues they've got in this information, this trove, and going after others. there was a strike in yemen on thursday, thursday morning in which the people in the area said they saul -- saw predator jones in the air and picked up al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the obvious question is, where did they get the intel? i'll give you a bet. chris: osama bin laden, he wasn't a mastermind anymore. >> he was being back-briefed on operations. he had more of an operational role than we thought. there are two t

the fourth c.i.a. director, panetta, leon panetta, has said very recently on television that some of that information was part of a patchwork or mosaic that led to the attack on osama bin laden. so i think that it's clear that that... those techniques that the c.i.a. used worked. and to have taken them away and ruled them out i think may be a mistake. i would add, however, that i think that the department of justice investigation into the c.i.a. operatives who were involved with enhanced interrogation techniques is a most unfortunate thing. these people were operating at the direction of the president. they were doing things that had been approved by the department of justice and it sends a chill throughout the government in terms of not just the c.i.a. people but also the military people that they're going to have to get lawyered up if they do something. i imagine if a year from now or two years from now there's a new president in and he decides to have investigations on the decision that president ob

it is not the law for the c.i.a. and the c.i.a. is bound by article three and tds bound by the other terms of the mccain amendment which prohibit human cruel and integrating treatment but the field man well was never designed for that. i think everybody -- not sure everybody. i think it is widely agreed that between the field man wall and the legal line, there is some degree of ways is and we argue about how much space there is and what does and doesn't fit under it. the argument is there is some category, the -- enhands over what the military was permitted to do turned field manual but still within the law is strong and the question of why the administration has chosen as a prudential matter to go nowhere near the legal lines even in the highest value cases is an interesting and important question. now i think the answer to it as a practical cal matter is some combination of briefs about ethicasy. some beliefs about reputational damage to the united states and a sense of who we are as a nation. third, i think there is another fact

now, the c.i.a. is working as fast as possible to find what they call actionable intelligence to identify solid targets and be assured the u.s. is poised to strike again. harry? >> smith: bob orr, thanks. president obama traveled today to fort campbell in kentucky to thank in person the team that took out bin laden. he told them "job well done." chief white house correspondent chip reid is at fort campbell tonight with the latest on that. chip, good evening. >> reporter: well, good evening, harry. the white house says the president's primary purpose in coming here was to personally thank the special forces who were involved in that mission to kill osama bin laden. the president called it one of the greatest intelligence and military missions in our nation's history. the white house said there would be no victory laps following the killing of osama bin laden but it sure sounded like one today at fort campbell, kentucky, home of the 101st air born division. >> our strategy is working and there is no gr

the president and his advisors watched the c.i.a. director on a video screen narrating from agency headquarters what was happening far away in pakistan. in these photos from the white house situation room they're waiting to hear a single word, geronimo, the code whether bin laden was captured or dead. >> i want to recognize the heros that carried out this incredible dangerous mission as well as all the military and counterterrorism professionals who made the mission possible. >> president obama was given a standing ovation at a dinner for congressional leaders last night by democrats and republicans. the president says he hopes the lawmakers can harness their current spirit of unity to confront the many challenges ahead. >>> we have new amateur video this morning that shows bin laden easter rest compound. you can see the wreckage of the u.s. helicopter lost during the raid on sunday u.s. officials say navy seals were able to seize valuable information inside that compound. the c.i.a. is already analyzes confiscated hard drives. they'

now, the c.i.a. is working as fast as possible to find what they call "actionable intelligence" to identify solid targets, and be assured the u.s. is poised to strike again. harry? >> smith: bob orr, thanks. president obama traveled today to fort campbell in kentucky to thank in person the team that took out bin laden. he told them "job well done." chief white house correspondent chip reid is at fort campbell tonight with the latest on that. chip, good evening. >> reporter: well, good evening, harry. the white house says the president's primary purpose in coming here was to personally thank the special forces who were involved in that mission to kill osama bin laden. the president called it one of the greatest intelligence and military missions in our nation's history. the white house said there would be no victory laps following the killing of osama bin laden, but it sure sounded like one today at fort campbell, kentucky, home of the 101st airborne division. >> our strategy is working and there is n

how did the c.i.a. get him? >> we looked at several options that were discussed by the president and by the national security team. the details behind the mission. the team methodically cleared the compound moving from room to room in an operation lasting nearly 40 minutes. >> and an impact on an already rocky relationship with pakistan. >> we believe that that partnership is critically important to breaking the back of al-qaeda. >> and of course, the political fallout. >> it's an unmistakeable trance to our personnel. it's also a credit to our commander in chief, the present one and the former one. >> peter baker of the new york times. james kickfield of the "washington journal." and john babbington of "the "associated press"." >> live from our nation's capital, this is "washington week" with gwen ifill. corporate funding is provided by -- >> we know why we're here. to connect our forces to what they need when they need it. to help troops see danger before it sees them. >> to answer the call of the brave and br

they both work for the c.i.a. cheryl jennings reports their real life is stepping out in the movies. >> the action thriller was based on the experiences of ex-c.i.a. spy that lives in berkeley with his wife and former c.i.a. partner. they have a three-year-old daughter kyber and a bunch of dogs and pets. their lives are so different compared to life in the c.i.a. in war zones always on the run from danger and always undercover. >> i used to keep about 20 pass authorities my pocket with different names. it was hard to keep up with the different nationalities. >> you are not supposed to carry around several different names. >> dana was by the book c.i.a. agent. he did what he needed to do. first time they met in sarejevo. she was from lebanon. she was shocked by the car he was driving. >> i was trained to blend in not attract attention go under the radar. he was driving a lime green car with orange written down on the side. >> i had my own philosophy. what spy would drive a billboard on wheels. they would think he w

director of the c.i.a., whether it be the c.i.a. as we now know it or how i talked about in a clandestine piece should be a c.i.a. professional and has come up through the ranks. the record shows that those who have done that have been some of the directors of central intelligence agency we think the most highly of their records. i think that now that we have a d.n.i. position, that's the position you should put someone who does not have -- have some intelligence knowledge but hasn't briefed it all his or her life. i think part of the confusion and roles we have now is when you appoint two people to these two jobs, both of home who are considered independently rather than one being a professional. we get some of the joss willing we have seen in recent times. and i think the political direction can be sent through the d.n.i. and ought to have professional bcia's. >> it's a big insight and what it requires is the president recognizing that the d.n.i. is the president's main, if you will -- main personal intelligence adviser and also i

i think that's what it shows. >> chris: since the raid, the c.i.a. director leon panetta and former counterterrorism chief jose rodriguez both say enhanced interrogation, including waterboarding, provided some of the information that led to that raid on the bin laden compound. are they right? >> well, i can answer it this way: the national security advisor am not going to comment on specific piece of intelligence from specific sources. i can tell you this, and it's important i think, an operation like this is a result of hundreds of pieces of information and intelligence over time. it can represent to you no single piece of intelligence led to the result that we saw -- >> chris: i understand that, sir. but what i'm asking you is any of the information, any of the fruits of enhanced interrogation was that part of the jigsaw puzzle? >> it doesn't really work that way. it works in terms of a whole mosaic of everything put together. we got information from detainees, from human sources from technical sources, from other leads on services that all come to

some of the leads to that courier came out of the c.i.a.'s secret prison where those al qaeda captives were waterboarded. he was described as a protege of 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed and the man who delivered bin laden's orders to al qaeda operatives in the field. but it was not until four years ago that u.s. intelligence determined the courier's real name. take a look at it. it cost bin laden his life. it took another two years to find out what part of pakistan he operated in. then last august, an intercepted phone call led the c.i.a. to his residence. "we were shocked by what we saw" one official said. >> this intelligence case is different. what we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before. >> reporter: a $1 million compound, eight times bigger than any of the other homes in a town where retired pakistani military officers live just 35 miles north of the capital of islamabad. it was built in 2005, apparently just for bin laden. walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire. the main building with

some of the leads to that courier came out of the c.i.a.'s secret prisons where those al qaeda captives were waterboarded. he was described as a protege of 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed and the man who delivered bin laden's orders to al qaeda operatives in the field. but it was not until four years ago that u.s. intelligence determined the courier's real name. take a look at it. it cost bin laden his life. it took another two years to find out what part of pakistan he operated in. then last august, an intercepted phone call led the c.i.a. to his residence. "we were shocked by what we saw" one official said. >> this intelligence case is different. what we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before. >> reporter: a $1 million compound, eight times bigger than any of the other homes in a town where retired pakistani military officers live just 35 miles north of the capital of islamabad. it was built in 2005, apparently just for bin laden. walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire. the main building wit

that really got the attention of the c.i.a. because informants don'ttially suggest they're going to see the key subject in a few hours. they say, well, it will be a few weeks or months, they're hoping to get money out of it. he did want the reward. >> what was the reward? >> at the time i think it was $5 million. i could be wrong about that. anyway, he gets the phone number from this -- one of the c.i.a. operatives in islamabad, pakistan, and remember, islamabad is the largest c.i.a. station in the world. that's where we spend the majority of our energy fighting al qaeda, and 2/3 of all al qaeda in the world, senior al qaeda who have been killed or captured have been killed or captured in pakistan, more than afghanistan and iraq combined, so it's party central for al qaeda. so he gets his cell phone number and a few hours later, about 11:00 at night, he goes to the bathroom of a restaurant and texts the c.i.a. officer he met earlier that day and says, i am with k.s.m. and they meet up a few hours later and they said he's just d

that really got the attention of the c.i.a. because informants don'ttially suggest they're going to see the key subject in a few hours. they say, well, it will be a few weeks or months, they're hoping to get money out of it. he did want the reward. the reward? >> at the time i think it was $5 million. i could be wrong about that. he gets the phone number from this -- one of the c.i.a. operatives in islamabad, pakistan, and remember, islamabad is the largest c.i.a. station in the world. that's where we spend the majority of our energy fighting al qaeda, and 2/3 of all al qaeda in the world, senior al qaeda who have been killed or been killed or captured in pakistan, more than afghanistan and iraq combined, so it's party central for al qaeda. so he gets his cell phone number and a few hours later, about 11:00 at night, he goes to the bathroom of a restaurant and texts the c.i.a. officer he met earlier that day and says, i am with k.s.m. and they meet up a few hours later and they said he's just dropped k.s.m. off. he can't rememb

proof to know 10 years later that we actually did get him. >> and we know now that the c.i.a. had a safe house in abbotobad where they were monitoring this house. >> how did that keep that undercover? >> amazing. >> it is amazing. >> i read somewhere it's the nearest thing to britain in pakistan. it's not like having a safe house out in the northwest frontier where you would stand out. it's a much more cosmopolitan city than that. but still they had to keep this very low profile. my understanding is that these c.i.a. operatives that were there, one of the things was to provide perimeter security just in case the pakistani's tried to intervene. in the end they decided that that was to risky. so they did it in this stealthy way. >> was this always a kill mission and not a capture mission? >> i think it was. i think the last thing this administration wanted was a court case with osama bin laden. there would be hostages being taken all over the world, masterful propaganda trying to hijack those as a prom ganda victory. but they had to be careful because the whole war on terror was

that really got the attention of the c.i.a. because informants don'ttially suggest they're going to see the key subject in a few hours. they say, well, it will be a few weeks or months, they're hoping to get money out of it. he did want the reward. i think he ultimately got it. >> what was the reward? >> at the time i think it was $5 million. i could be wrong about that. anyway, he gets the phone number from this -- one of the c.i.a. operatives in islamabad, pakistan, and remember, islamabad is the largest c.i.a. station in the world. that's where we spend the majority of our energy fighting al qaeda, and 2/3 of all al qaeda in the world, senior al qaeda who have been killed or captured have been killed or captured in pakistan, more than afghanistan and iraq combined, qaeda. so he gets his cell phone number and a few hours later, about 11:00 at night, he goes to the bathroom of a restaurant and texts the c.i.a. officer he met earlier that day and says, i am with k.s.m. and they meet up a few hours later and they said he's just

under the mccain amendment, but it is not the law for the c.i.a. and the c.i.a. is bound by conarticle 3 and bound by the other terms of the mccain amendment which prohibit cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. but the field manual was never designed to exhaust the list of lawful techniques that are not cruel and inhuman and degrading treatment. i think everybody -- not sure everybody, but i think it is widely agreed that between the field manual and the legal line, there is some degree of space. we argue about how much space there is and what does and doesn't fit under it. but i think the argument that there is some category of the word enhanced has a weird connotation now, but i mean it nonyufe missically here -- euphemistically here. enhanced under what the military is permitted to do under the field manual but still within the law is over poweringly strong. the question of why you don't -- why the administration has chosen as a prudential matter to go nowhere near the legal line even if the highest value cases is an interesting and important question. now,

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time now 6:30. >>> in the news right now we're finding out more about how the c.i.a. finally found osama bin laden's hiding place. a u.s. official says one of bin laden's personal couriers unknowingly led the c.i.a. to this walled compound in pakistan. u.s. navy seals found osama bin laden in a bedroom and shot him. reportedly there are photographs of bin laden with a gunshot wound right above his left eye. president obama and his advisors were actually able to watch the whole 40 minute mission in realtime. many watched c.i.a. director on a video screen narrating from headquarters in virginia what was happening far away in pakistan. in these photographs here from the white house situation room you can see them they're waiting to hear one word, geronimo. that was the code word that osama bin laden was either captured or dead. >> i want to again recognize the heros who carried out this incredibly dangerous mission as well as all the military and counterterrorism professionals who made the mission possible. >> now president obama was given a standing ovation. look around

task ahead of the c.i.a. they will have to comb through 2.7 terabytes of information. >>> president obama delivered his personal thanks yesterday to everyone who carried out the bin laden mission including the super secret navy seals. he presented the special forces with a presidential unit citation, highest honor of its kind. afterwards he spoke to about 2,000 troops recently returning from duty in afghanistan. he told them about a girl he met thursday at ground zero whose father called her from inside the world trade center on september 11th. >> she said, i love you, and i will always be watching over you. >> the white house released this rare video shows the moment after the president and his team learned the mission was a success. >> good job national security team. >> thank you. you did a great job. >>> president's cabinet gave him a standing ovation. >> in local news, a san ramon police officer was in court but in a very different role. he faces weapons and drug charges in part of a scandal in contra co

taking revenge on the c.i.a. with the best will in the world pakistan was a prickly partner for the u.s. in fighting terrorism. last monday's raid has now torpedoed that good will and left the whole partnership in jeopardy. elizabeth palmer, cbs news, islamabad. >> couric: turning now to libya where people are fleeing the violence by sea. today united nations called on ships in the mediterranean to be on the lookout for rickety boats carrying refugees. hundreds may have died on friday when their boat sank near an island off sicily. another boat ran aground yesterday off that same island. the italian coast guard was able to rescue 400 refugees. in this country, a couple of political notes tonight. he's been contemplating it for years, now newt gingrich is doing it the former house speaker told followers on facebook and twitter he'll announce on wednesday that he's running for the republican nomination for president. and in the senate today, majority leader harry reid once an amateur boxer looked like he'd gone a f

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. >> the drama which was staged yesterday in abbottabad has exposed the u.s., and the c.i.a. staged this event only to make obama more successful at the next elections. >> warner: but karachi's newspaper leveled its criticism elsewhere saying the failure of pakistan to detect the presence of the world's most wanted man here is shocking. elsewhere in pakistan, the atmosphere was relatively calm. on camera and in print the pakistani government was busy denying that its security and intelligence forces might have sheltered bin laden. writing in the "washington post" pakistani president said though sunday's raid was not a joint operation, a decade of cooperation and partnership between the united states and pakistan led up to the elimination of osama bin laden as a continuing threat to the civilized world. he dismissed suggestions in the u.s. that pakistan had been protecting bin laden as baseless speculation that may make exciting cable news but it doesn't reflect fact. pakistan's foreign secretary struck the same note. >> it is our determination that we would not allow ourselve

the c.i.a. talking about water bordering republicans saying this kind of thing works. do you have a carte blanche to take credit for things done in the past because it worked this time? >> steve, i'll tell you something, if we come out with the conclusion that waterboarding, slamming guys heads against the wall, having them -- if these tactics become suddenly the flavor of the month because of this, that's a disaster. there is a front page story in today's new york times that talks about col ied sheikh mohammed. i think we have to be very careful about saying that these kind of tactics work. >> well then you disagree with the c.i.a. director because he came out yesterday and said that some of the information they gathered was because of waterboarding. >> well it certainly wasn't with the folks that they're talking about in this article today. i mean here is situation. >> but it came from the c.i.a. director. >> but some of the people that were at some point water boarded -- >> let me -- >> no, j

role of america and the role of the c.i.a. more specifically in pakistan needs to change. do you agree with that? >> i don't know what they mean by change. we still have an organization to kill. we still have to fight the taliban. bin laden is a combination of a sent-century theologian and a c.e.o., spent the last half dozen years dispersing his organization to yemen, iraq, south africa, to gaza and palestine. so his organization as a whole was pretty well prepared for his death, although it will be a major blow to it. and so there's very many targets out there to work at this present time. >> and professor, after 9/11, the c.i.a. was criticized a great deal, and in fact, it was reformed partly as a consequence of the failure to stop the 9/11 attacks. do you think this is evidence of those reforms at work? >> no, i don't. well, i don't know. they certainly were -- i don't think the reforms had anything to do with it. i think they had the hard work of the men and women on the ground is what did it. and i have to say that anyone

and for years, the c.i.a.'s lead source on osama bin laden. in a rare "60 minutes" interview he told us recently that america's greatest enemy in that region is not al qaeda, it's pakistan. >> you have to give pakistan a title. is it a friend? what is pakistan? >> reporter: it currently has the title of ally. >> right. deceptive. >> reporter: so you think its title should be? >> it should be a hostile country. a hostile estate. >> reporter: so pakistan is the enemy of the u.s.? >> the amount of pain pakistan has inflicted upon the united states in the past 12 years is unprecedented. no other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation. >> reporter: that pain is pakistan's long-term support for al qaeda and its allies. battling u.s. forces in afghanistan. today, the president's counterterrorism chief also seemed to point the finger at pakistan. >> i think it's inconceivable that bin laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for an extended period of time. >> reporter: that was more blunt

they did allow the c.i.a. to interview three of bin laden's wives who were living with him at the compound, but only with the pakistani official looking on. as might be expected, the wives were not very friendly. the youngest was at bin laden's side when he was killed. she and the other wives would know how bin laden managed to life in such a conspicuous compound for so long without attracting attention. >> they would know likely who bin laden was communicating with, who may have been visiting over time, how the couriers were operating, with whom they had contact. >> reporter: the c.i.a. will interview the wives again, but may not come away with much. >> the bin laden wives are not likely to give american officials good, clean information in that setting, with pakistani officials likely in the room. >> reporter: the u.s. knows from its own surveillance of the compound and from the electronic files seized by the navy seals, that couriers came and went at irregular intervals, carrying bin laden's messages on thu

the c.i.a. intelligence honed in on one area of pakistan and figured out it was in this area and they looked at the compounds there and this drew their attention because it was three stories high, eight times the size of any other compound and odd the way it was developed, no windows, the residents burned their trash unlike other people in the area, no telephone lanes or internet lines into the compound and they watched this compound. in august they certainly had an indication this is where they thought osama bin laden was and they watched it more carefully and since the middle of march they have had five national security meetings developing the intelligence and the president said he ordered the operation open friday and it took place today. mechanical failure and crashed or brought down in a hard landing into the compound and the seals after the operation to get osama bin laden was punished they detonate add bomb and blew up the helicopter that crashed. so that is why you see the flames at the