>> yes. >> please. >> roy kronk. >> you may proceed. >> morning, mr. kronk. >> good morning, sir. >> would you tell us, please, sir, how you were employed during the summer months of 2008? >> i was a meter reader for orange county, sir. >> and how long had you be employed as a meter reader? >> since may 27th of '08, sir. >> what type of meters did you read? >> water meters, sir. >> and did you have an assigned route at that time? >> we were assigned a routes the night before, sir. >> the night before? >> yes, sir. >> every night before? >> we never knew what route we had the next day. it always varied. >> and did you have a general area, a district of orange county that you worked? >> we were in all of orange county, sir. >> in august of 2008, sir, did you have occasion to be assigned to read meters out by hope springs drive? >> yes, sir. >> and, so are you familiar, sir, in fact with the residence of george and cindy anthony on hope spring drive? >> no, sir. >> did you read all the meters on hope spring drive? >> yes, sir. >> suburban drive? >> yes, s

and for roy kronk to take the stand there. because as we know, jose baez had made this grand statement in his opening argument that he was going to show that kronk somehow had taken control of caylee anthony's remains and had manipulated them for fame and fortune. everybody in the courtroom, when he got on that stand they did one of these, leaned forward in the seats. even the jury did that. they were laser focused on him. but in the end, most of those profession am and unprofessional observers in the courtroom felt that defense failed to make that point and in fact it was really not a good day for the defense team when it came to roy kronk. >> martin savage, thanks. >> yep. >>> just ahead we are going to dig in deeper to the relationship between casey anthony and her dad, especially defense claims which he denies he sexually abused her when she grew up and that's why she acted strangely and lied so much when caylee disappeared. the question is, is there anything in the jailhouse recordings of the father-daughter conversations

good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> roy kronk, we have issues on the stand with roy kronk. what is the defense trying to prove here? >> they're trying to show that he has no credibility. i think they made a real mistake -- i don't know about you, savannah, but i find that when you have a witness like roy kronk, why not treat him not as a hostile witness but just get the information out that you need, like yeah, i moved the skull around. if you can establish the chink in the chain of the forensic evidence, then you can get the death penalty off the table, take the needle out of the arm. >> i agree with you. it seems the defense missed the boat on roy kronk, instead of indulging itself in conspiracy theories, maybe kronk had the body, hid it for several months, something there's absolutely no evidence of. when right in front of them kronk is testifying, yeah, i may have poked that skull a little bit. >> which contradicts that first story, it rolled out of the bag. >> which also suggests somebody's messing with that skull. >> if the duct tape is not found on the skull, then p

apparently roy kronk, the meter reader. then when he gets ready to go deposit them in the woods so he can collect the reward, he somehow comes up with the knowledge to reattach that mandible in the anatomically correct position, that lower jaw's the mandible, with duct tape that's found in the anthony home and not sold in florida, so somehow he comes up with that knowledge and then deposits it so he can call in and get the money. >> you might be able to see through it and i give you that, and that's why we have you on here to help us make sense of it, but the jury listening, all they're trying to do is confuse the jury, and so this may very well be enough to do so. we will talk with you more about this in the next hour. you will get back to watching the trial and we will talk with you more on the latest. >>> when the law caught up with james whitey bulger last week in california, the alleged irish mob boss had more than $800,000 walled up in his apartment. next hour, he will go before a federal judge in boston to claim he c

the other emotional testimony of the day, as you said, was from this meter reader, his name roy kronk. he's the one that found casey anthony's body in that wooded area down the street from the anthony home. he found it in december. he called 911 three times. a sheriff's deputy came out to investigate. didn't find anything. even chewed kronk out. he said he threw up his hands and forget about it until he went back to the same site three months later, spotted the same bag in the wooded area. this time he went to investigate. he picked up the bag and he noticed a tiny skull on the ground. listen to what happened next. >> i was looking at it from behind and i still didn't think it was real. so i very gently took it and put it into the right eye socket and i gently pivoted it up and looked down and realized what it was and set it down as gently as i could and went up and called my area supervisor. >> now, defense attorneys were trying to paint roy kronk, i'm going to quote here from their opening arguments, as a morally bankrupt person who took caylee's body and hid it in the woods. that a

roy kronk's emergency calls led police to kai's remains. >> i noticed something that looked white and there was a -- like a gray bag down in there. >> reporter: the defense paints him less as a good samaritan who found the child's bones and more as an accomplice who was somehow involved. perhaps for reward money, perhaps just for fame. >> did you call your son and tell him that you were soon to be famous? >> no, sir. >> did you at any time tell him you were going to be rich? >> no, sir. >> reporter: even abc licensed photos from kronk but prosecutors were quick to point out all the things he wasn't. >> have you ever had access to the home of the anthony family? >> no, ma'am. >> their backyard? >> no, ma'am. >> their computer? >> no, ma'am. >> caylee anthony's diapers. >> no, ma'am. >> r rorter: it went from bad to worse for casey when the judge barred the jury from hearing her former fiance back up her claim of sexual abuse. >> she told me she woke up with lee standing over her and in another instance was groping her. >> reporter: something else jurors didn't hear, surprise testimony

in fact, they say roy kronk left the scene where caylee was found. so, what? roy kronk, the meter reader breaks in the house and gets all her winnie the pooh stuff and leaves it at the scene? no. >> this is one of the problems for the defense is you have to somehow figure out what did george anthony do? and what did the meter reader do? which, again, brings you back to the question of, why did they feel the need to go after both of them in this way? as opposed to simply saying, look, we don't know. there was an accident. et cetera. >> but that's the problem. >> right. >> that's the problem, dan. they got to figure it out. if it's the truth, there is nothing to figure out. and this is a technical move by the state not to call kronk. now, the defense has got to call him. and under florida law they lose final closing argument. >> that's why you both have said in the end the defense is probably going to have to put casey up on the stand even though that's a difficult move. dan and nancy, thanks very much. >>> time, now, for the weather and sam champion. >> hey, ge

the meter reader, roy kronk, who was on the scene. >> the second villain in this case. we've been talking about george anthony, the villain leading into this. the defense is pointing the finger at him, saying you're the one who disposed of the body. you were sexually abusing casey. but there's another villain here, according to the defense. that's the meter reader. they say, somehow, i guess, found the body beforehand, did something with it. and then, put it back at the scene to somehow become a hero or get a reward. this is, again, the problem with this defense. they are taking on such a burden to demonstrate that all these different people are involved in this conspiracy. >> just listen to that theory. do you hear what you're saying? i know you've analyzed it. what do you do? take caylee's body and hide it in a garage? put it in a jar on his coffee table for two months? and then, back out to the scene and not get caught? it's such a crazy theory. it's not going to fly. >> i agree. it is a very hard to believe theory. >> not a good day for the defense. >> if somehow ro

the defense theory here roy kronk. in the defense's opening statement, they called him a morally corrupt individual and so it's very important for them that he is going to testify about some of his behaviors before caylee's remains were found. he called 911, not once, not twice, but three times in august of 2008. he then again called 911 in december of 2008 and it was that final call in december when caylee anthony's remains were found. so the defense is really calling in to question his motives. they say that he did this for money. and we do know he received about $25,000 all in -- related to his recovery of caylee's remains. so there is a lot to be said about roy kronk. the defense is certainly saying he is the bad guy in this instead of casey anthony. so his testimony will be very, very important to the defense if all of that comes across to this jury. >> give us the big picture where we stand right now. who do you think has the momentum in this trial? >> well, certainly at this point, the defense has the momentum a

it doesn't have anything to do with possible records of roy kronk, a witness the defense wants to call, and other issues we were all speculating about, what could cause a shutdown of the proceedings and a sealed transcript of what the attorneys talked to the judge about in chambers. it's all a secret. i don't know that we'll find out tomorrow. >> is there anything that could suggest any ground for a mistrial, that you noticed? >> the information i have is that it's not the fault of either side. and the judge isn't upset. so, it really is a mystery. we're assuming that the attorneys are not spinning us and are telling us the truth. >> we saw that altercation -- not altercation but the verbal argument over the witnesses and the defense being forthcoming with what their witnesses are going to testify to. this has been an ongoing theme. aside from whatever this legal issue that stopped the trial for now, are there going to be sanctions handed out before this is over against one or both of the attorneys? >> well, because this has been ongoing, it's possible. but the judge will deal with tha

>> well, roy kronk clearly, the meter reader who found the body and called it in months earlier for three consecutive days in august and the bag wasn't found with the bones, but also there is, the potential, of course, of casey, as we were just talking about and cindy and george could be on the stand. george could be called by the defense. cindy could be back. >> beth karas, we really appreciate your analysis. this morning this case continues to fascinate. thank you once again. >> my pleasure. >>> let's get the latest now and the latest news with ron claiborne who is back with another look at the headlines. >>> good morning again, dan and bianna. good morning, everyone. >>> in the news, federal investigators plan to look into the medical and driving records of the trucker whose big rig slammed into an amtrak train in nevada. at least five people including the trucker were killed and dozens injured. >>> well, they were celebrating in new york last night after it became the sixth and largest state to legalize gay marriage. it was a landmark ruling for the gay rights movement in the state wh

if roy kronk, a meter reader basically moved the body into the woods, kept the body and moved the body into the woods. the defense is trying very, very hard to distance casey anthony from that trunk and from little caylee's body. this was an accidental drowning, the defense says, not murder by any means. i think their bug expert did a pretty good job of that. do bugs lie? they're not testifying. the evidence was there that the type of insects that can be found where there is a fresh body, decomposing body, those insects were in the trunk. i think that's pretty important evidence for the prosecution. a circumstantial case. woo elf been talking about this case. it's tough. >> a couple of questions i have for the defense. it seems to me, at least, it would abe gamble to try to claim that the body of the 2-year-old was never in the trunk. make your case however you will and bring in other family members that you're trying to blame. they're trying to blame the dad in this case to cover up the accidental drowning much so far, you've had two scientists, one testify that a strand of hair consi

his name, roi kronk, former utility leader. they hope to convince the jury that the duct tape found on the face may have been placed there by kronk, not casey. the entomologist says experiment with pigs led to early colonizing flies that were missing from caylee anthony's body. >> there's no good reason at the scene why they shouldn't be there. >> and what does that tell you? >> what that indicates is that the body was moved or transported from some other location to the site where it was discovered. >> reporter: it sounded like what casey anthony and her team wanted to hear, that the body was transferred to the woods weeks or months after the little girl died. then the prosecution swung into action. >> do you mean to suggest to this jury that this body was fully skeletonized in another location and then moved? >> nose, i did not say that. >> the prosecution's theory is that casey anthony murdered her body, put the body in the kara few days, then disposed of it in the woods. before jeff ashton drilled on that, he made fun of th

kronk, the man who found little caylee anthony's remains. and george anthony, father of casey, still denying any affair with a volunteer searcher. he denied ever saying that caylee's death was an accident and it snowballed out of control. meanwhile, and again, live pictures here. here he is testifying, this is kronk on the stand testifying earlier he attempted to alert police to an object he saw in the woods back in august of '08. according to the defense, kronk discovered the remains and hid them for monetary gain and claims he found her body months later. kronk denies those allegations. >>> also, the board of the international monetary fund electing a new director. she is french finance minister, christine la guarde. she will be the first female director of the global lender. lagarde will be replacing dominique strauss-kahn who resigned last month. >>> sarah palin is all the buzz today. it's over her movie, the pro-palin documentary, the undefeated will premiere tonight in iowa. the former alaskan governor will be there. what's the movie a

. >> reporter: also on the stand, roy kronk, the man who essentially discovered the remains of caylee anthony. defense trying to establish that he might have taken those remains away and brought them back at some point, only to try and claim some kind of a reward in the case. reporting in orlando, steve barrett for abc news. >> we've got a long ways to go too with this case. >> the question is how long is this going to go on for? this is wearing a lot of folks down. the stress. the defense says it will call another half dozen witnesses before resting its case. for some folks that can't come soon enough. >> as a remainder casey's pleaded not guilty. says she has absolutely nothing to do with this. we'll continue on with that story. it will go on for days. >>> when we come back, people love playing trivia games at bars just as much as they like cheating on those trivia games at bars. >> put the phone away! now quizmakers are waging a war against smartphones. that's cheating. you're watching "world news now." >>> attention, iphone fanatics. word is apple is preparing to release a new, ch

and that really dovetails quite nicely with the defense's theory that roy kronk, the meter reader, somehow staged her remains there. but it isn't inconsistent with what the prosecution is alleging, which is that they could have been there for a much longer period of time. she did say that as well. so i think the bottom line is that the defense may be able to use this in closing arguments, but the prosecution can use it as well. >> and there's also this new information from prosecutors about a former inmate who was a cellmate with casey anthony. ironically, this former cellmate had a child who drowned in a pool and was discovered by her child's grandfather. what could this mean? this very similar story to what the defense is putting forward as their theory. what could all this mean? >> well, we heard about it today from the prosecution, and it's perhaps letting us see a little bit of what the prosecution's rebuttal case may be. we know that the defense theory in this case is that caylee anthony died by accidentally drowning. but the prosecution is telling the judge that there was an inmate

second question, will they actually bring on the utility meter reader roy kronk that they say put caylee's remains there after he had first found them then redistributed them in order to get the reward. it's a preposterous theory. i think they will lose credibility even worse but they've got him on their witness thing. another thing they did was a big trial error but the jury will probably never know about it. they forgot to keep some of the state's witnesses for further cross and they excused them so the judge had to sign an extraordinary order bringing them back in from out of state. >> in the end as to whether casey will testify, to some degree she can't testify, and to some degree she can't not testify. and so that's why so many of us who watch so many trials simply don't know whether she's going to actually testify or not. >> it keeps us watching. dan and nancy, thank you both again so much. we'll check back with you, you know, later on this week. >>> time now for the weather and sam. sam? >> hey, robin, time to amaze your friends with this knowledge of a global event that happens pro

and that seems to take roy kronk out of the case, the meter reader who found the remains, because jose baez said kronk possessed those remains and placed her there at a later time. >> and kronk is on the witness list. do you think the defense will try to paint him in a negative light? >> no question about it. yes, they will. and the jury will learn that he called 911 three consecutive days in august, months before he finally called it in again in december, when the remains were found, and he was targeting that same area. it's a red herring, maybe. but it's really interesting. >> let me end the conversation where we began with the introduction, the question of will she testify. will casey anthony testify? is the pressure mounting? >> probably it is. but defense attorneys routinely don't make that decision until they see how the rest of the case is going in. so i suspect if the that she's going to testify, they haven't even decided. she might, but she would be toward the end of the case, and that's kind of common when lefts testify. >> beth karas, always good to talk to you. thanks so mu

roy kronk discovers the remains of caylee. casey anthony was found to be mentally fit to stand trial, rejecting a motion by the defense that questioned her competence. >> based upon the reports that the court has reviewed, the court will find that the defendant is competent to continue to proceed. >> those reports, by the way, by three psychologists remain sealed. interestingly, our legal analyst sunny hostin leads her to believe there was questioning going on. >> prepping. >> prepping and deposing her for the stand and a red flag was raised about her mental ability. >> yeah. >> at that point. >>> a big game for video game makers. supreme court in a 7-2 ruling struck down a california law that would have banned the sale of violent voideo game on children. the state of california maintains it has a legal obligation to protect children. the supreme court disagreed. >>> rob marciano is in the extreme weather center. >> storms rumbling through the tennessee valley. a couple of thunderstorms watches posted and this one just issued

. >> that roy kronk had it, had the body, and staged the body and placed it there a couple months later. that doesn't make a lot of sense when you look at the forensic evidence. it's a circumstantial case. so it's a very difficult case for the prosecutors because no one is going to say i saw casey anthony place the remains here. >> why would you have duct tape on a skull? >> why would you have the duct tape? that is the answer that's going to be crucial for the jury because the prosecution is alleging things was an intentional murder she suffocated her with duct tape. and now, when you look at the remains, kiran, sort of the duct tape was placed around the mouth and the nose all the way around. there was hair stuck to the duct tape on the remains. i think a picture like that in the jury's mind, they're going to have that question, you know, who did this and was this intentional? >> good to see you. thank you so much for that. we'll continue. sunny and her team will continue to cover this case. >>> coming up, newt gingrich's campaign is in trouble. several key members of his campaign all