baez is talking about mr. kronk. another question for you, why would an uninvolved citizen after calling police about finding a skull in the situation that is just hundreds of feet around the corner and around the row from the anthony evidence, nation wide look out. you all remember that? why in the world would the man it is silent for four months? i do not know the answer to that. i do in the know how he took the meter reader stick and put it into the right eye socket of the skull and lifted it, and the claim is it was found embedded in the leaves and muck. or was there, in fact, some re-positioning, something to make the case? the doctor said there was no tape on the nose. another doctor said there was and tape in the area of the mouth, the area of the mouth, and he concluded that the manner of death was a him side on totally circumstantial evidence because she said no child should have tape on her face. well, remember all the d.n.a., all the no, no, no, no, no, no, and dr. warren who did the super imaging stuff, s

and remember, he is right in front of jose baez. you may not see him in the shot but he is right in his face. and jose simply had enough and he blew up. the problem with it is, not only the anger of the judge severely, and they both could get into real trouble, but the problem is that he also threw off the momentum of his own delivery. everything ground to a halt immediately after that. >> and these guys have been at each other's -- they've been at each other's throats for three years now. it seal like they've been going at it, the judge issued an order saying they have to cut the side talk. not only have we seen it in the past in the pretrial hearing but even in this trial. even when they're not, when the actual court is in session they're bickering over signs and trying to get things set up. i think they genuinely don't like each other. >> hadn't they been warned before? hadn't they been warned before? to jane velez-mitchell. let's talk about the elephant in the room. casey didn't testify. how will that weigh in on the minds of th

baez in contempt. there's not going to be a mistrial. >> i always wanted him to explain the duct tape theory. the one witness -- the main witness who could have done that did not testify and now the little bit that the jury heard can't even be brought up, is stricken. >> dr. rodriguez. >> yes. can't be brought up in his closing arguments. those are two large gaping holes. that will be a problem for the defense even though they don't have the burden to prove anything, you have to explain it. >> i'm curious. nick has been in the control room listening to everything. they're delayed, not getting back on time. haggling over a photograph of casey anthony from younger days that's part of the exhibit that they're going to show. why would there be a haggling over a photograph of casey i wonder. >> it can be anywhere from what is the relevance of it, what does it mean? the judge has been very, very clear on, i don't want to hear sympathy in closing arguments because sympathy has no place in this courtroom. thos

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baez. >> thank you, your honor. if it pleases the court, my colleagues on the prosecution, good morning, ladies and gentlemen. i, too, would like to thank you on behalf of the defense for the sacrifices you have made as citizens of the state of florida. we know it came at a great sacrifice, and both sides saw how much attention you paid to the presentation of evidence in this case. it hasn't gone lost on us. we all have recognized that. i want to thank you both individually and collectively for that great sacrifice that you all made. thank you. here we are. at the end of our journey. i have to tell you, i probably think you have more questions than you have answers. if you recall at the opening statements, the final thing that i told you at the end of the day when everything is said and done, the one question will never be answered, the key question in this this case will never be answered, it can never be proven. that is how did caylee die? that is why we're all here. really. there is no dispute that caylee has pas

baez was talking and mr. ashton's reactions and mr. baez is corresponding response. needless to say that response behalf of mr. ashton and mr. baez violates this court's oath. if both sides would like to take the time to go look at it, i will ask them to pull it up and you can look at it. >> gregg: talk to us about they both violated. >> right now they are back. you might want to listen because a judge is giving them an opportunity. >> gregg: let's listen in. >> i wanted to make sure my expression was not seen by the jury. if i exceeded the court's order apologize. nothing i said i did was seen by the jury. that is my observation of the tape. >> i have no other comment other than i would not request that mr. ashton be held in contempt. this case has been highly emotional for both sides. all i really request is that, serious nature of what is going on. i also apologize getting caught up in the moment and making those arguments but after three years of working with mr. ashton i do not wish that upon him. i have my apology to the court. >> is there anything anybody else

and remember, he is right in front of jose baez. you may not see him in the shot but he is right in his face. and jose simply had enough and he blew up. the problem with it is, not only the anger of the judge severely, and they both could get into real trouble, but the problem is that he also threw off the momentum of his own delivery. everything ground to a halt immediately after that. >> and these guys have been at each other's -- they've been at each other's throats for three years now. it seems like they have been going at it since the case started. the judge issued an order saying they have to cut the side talk. not only have we seen it in the past in the pretrial hearing but even in this trial. even when they're not, when the actual court is in session they're bickering over signs and trying to get things set up. i think they genuinely don't like each other. >> hadn't they been warned before? hadn't they been warned before? to jane velez-mitchell. let's talk about the elephant in the room. casey didn't testify. how will that w

what we are hearing again is -- >> i am talking about jose baez. >> jose baez said she was acquitted. acquittal does not mean innocent. jose baez does not follow that trap. >> i quitted means he could right a book. >> she could right a book but acquitted doesn't mean she is innocent. >> a book deal, a life in hiding, motherhood again. whakdz the future hold for casey anthony? what could we ever -- could we ever for give her? the little >> there's sn no place she coulo where she is safe. her family is not going to welcome her back into their home any time soon. every where shoo goes she is marked. >> a second chance for casey anthony? an acquitted child killer. is it possible for her to start over? mike tyson did. >> you have a picture in society that picture is strong. this pen and this paper is strong. >> convicted 92 people remembe him not for his crime but for his laughs in films like "the hangover." >>> oo super star quarterback michael vick also dug himself out of a deep hole. >> it is animal abuse. what he did is totally wrong and i will never forget that or for give it. >> he f

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you think that baez made that stuff up? he wouldn't do that without hearing it from casey. >> sure, it is unethical and i wouldn't suggest that he would do that in any way, shape or form but may have just been presenting another alternative as a near arery but you have to have a basis when you say things like that. >> judge jeanine: you and i have been doing this for 100 years. i don't think i ever heard that one and i bet you haven't either. cindy during the trial gets off the stand and mouths i love you to her daughter. now, there are those who believe she perjured herself on the standed. i don't want to go there with you. and she did everything she could to try to mend things with casey. even tried to visit her at the jail. how does cindy live with george who casey through her attorney saided molested her every day? i mean how did they stay together? >> well, cindy knows that george never did anything to casey and cindy knows that none of those allegations made by mr. baez on behalf of his client were true. and there has

baez needs to focus on the reasonable doubt aspect. the jurors regoing to say why did you not deliver what you said you did not deliver? >> i'm wondering what's going on now. there's a five-minute break. a five-minute break right now before the closing arguments get under way. again, 16 points, some of which are being gone over again by the judge to the attorneys, they were, as lillia had told us given to them earlier in the week. the buildup to the closing statements we'll be looking back to opening statements with regard to the defense, because there were many, many allegations made there, and if they have not been proven, it's a different kind of situation, don't you agree, than the prosecution not proving the manner of death? that's more a scientific thing, right? i mean, is there anything? i know i'm lean, you all say you're leading a witness, on the stand here, but do you understand the difference here? >> i do understand. the difference is the defense does not have any burden of proof, that's solely on the prosecutor. but when y

i mean, you know, baez -- this is the payback for baez. this is why there have been so many defense attorneys critical of his performance and his all-or-nothing approach in that opening statement, which this is an absolute rejection of the jury of the tactics of baez, and they're taking it out on the client. >> again, we have to wait for the verdict. we have to see what it is. and clearly, and how they come down, holly hughes, any possibility it could be a compromised verdict if the jury does not feel that they want to move towards death on this given the age of casey anthony? what do you think? >> absolutely. we can sit here as pundits, and richard and i have tried these cases and been in these courtrooms and had these jurors and picked them ourselves and as much as we want to think we know what they're thinking, we don't. you have 12 strangers in a room and asking them to make -- not right now, because right now they are not supposed to be considering sentencing, just working on guilt or innocence. they know if they return a first degree

jose baez get this child molesting thing? lippman thinks it was baez who made it up not and any telling her lawyer. >> that would be ethical. those are the types of things you only get from your client. you are never going to make something like that up. ha would be horrific that is something he got -- that would be horrific that something he got from casey . >> greta: are you of that? >> i can't say i was in the meeting, i'm certain of that, that would never happen. >> greta: what is the thinking of the defense team, because she was molested, for some reason she felt compelled to be part of hiding this accident? >> i think it is a little bigger. i think jose was trying to say it is a bit more of a conspiracy. this is a family who consistently lies. and she was taught to lie that's the only way she knows how to deal with things. >> greta: there's nothing wrong with an accident, tragic but not a crime. why wouldn't it have been disclosed? >> it could have been panic. >> greta: by the father too? >> casey isn't the sharpest tac

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baez and mr. mason? will you be prepared to go sentencing? go to sentencing thursday or friday of this week? >> thursday. >> okay. then we will set sentencing thursday at 9:00 a.m. in this courtroom. okay. any other matters that we need to take up at this time? >> nothing from the state, your honor. >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury, on behalf of the citizens of the ninth judicial circuit, i would like to express my sincere thanks and appreciation for your service as jurors. you all are residents of pinellas county, florida, and we came over there, met with you, questioned you, and took you away from your families for a very extended period of time. and for that, i say thank you. as i told you when i first spoke with you in talking about jury service, that one of the most important obligations of citizenship in my opinion was service on a jury. i told you it was very important that if we believed in that constitutional provision, that provision that provides a right to trial by jury, that it was important for people to serve no matter what

what we are hearing again is -- >> i am talking about jose baez. >> jose baez said she was acquitted. acquittal does not mean innocent. jose baez does not follow that trap. >> i quitted means he could right a book. >> she could right a book but acquitted doesn't mean she is innocent. >> a book deal, a life in hiding, motherhood again. whakdz the future hold for casey anthony? what could we ever -- could we ever for give her? ever for give her? the little ever for give her? the little luck? i don't trade on luck. i trade on fundamentals. analysis. information. i trade on tradearchitect. this is web-based trading, re-visualized. streaming, real-time quotes. earnings analysis. probability analysis. that's what opportunity looks like. it's all visual. intuitive. and its available free, wherever the web is. this is how trade strategies are built. tradearchitect. only from td ameritrade. welcome to better. try new tradearchitect and trade commission free for 60 days. >> there's sn no place she coulo where she is safe. her family is not going to welcome her back into their home any time soon

and his evidence probably changed. >> greta: baez said nice things about ashton, ashton about baez. maybe we are meaner. we've never said nice things about each other. >> let me be candid. >> i won't be candid. [ talking over each other ] >> the fact about it is, jeff ashton was professional and took the high road. >> greta: baez too. >> i only have one problem with ashton, when baez was doing his closing, ashton was laughing. i think that may have caused him some problems with the jury. because it may have led the jury to believe, hey ashton thinks we already are in his pocket that could have created a problem for him. i have a problem with him on that. >> greta: i think smirking during the trial is bad, stupid and i think it hurt him. diane that, is this jeff ashton usual -- is he all like this? >> i feel like i've come full circle and i've come to my own personal closure in my relationship with jeff ashton. a decade ago we were in a death penalty case. i was heated. i got yelled at my the judge in front of the jury for being mean to ashton. after the jury came back with a life re

what we are hearing again is -- >> i am talking about jose baez. >> jose baez said she was acquitted. acquittal does not mean innocent. jose baez does not follow that trap. >> i quitted means he could right a book. >> she could right a book but acquitted doesn't mean she is innocent. >> a book deal, a life in hiding, motherhood again. whakdz the future hold for casey anthony? what could we ever -- could we ever for give her? the little girl who never got to grow up. that's next. ♪ ♪ i like your messy hair ♪ i like the clothes you wear ♪ i like the way you sing ♪ and when you dance with me ♪ you always make me smile [ male announcer ] we believe you're at your best when you can relax and be yourself. and at thousands of newly refreshed holiday inn express hotels, you always can. holiday inn express. stay you. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. rike two now stay rewarded with vacation pay. [crowd cheers] strike three two down out there two down ♪ [crowd cheers] [crowd cheers] [male announcer] sometimes, coming home

commentators bashed the hell out of jose baez. but for mr. mason to get up here and try to really -- and i hate to use this lawyer/judge term -- chill, to chill the people who come on, this is, again, one of the things that makes this country so great, that we can get up there and talk freely about these things and offer our opinions and offer to the world where we think things are going without having to worry about being vilified -- martha: what he's saying, randy, what he's saying is nobody out there, all of us knows what he knows about this story. be all of us, here we go, right? casey anthony will be free to write a book, tell her story, talk about the abuse or whatever it it was. now she's completely free, right? she can say this is what happened. >> oh, absolutely. double double general by -- jeopardy, she can't be tried again. >> she'll have to be careful. >> under the son of sam law, can she make any money off of it? if she wrote a book about this incident and she gets a million dollar signing bonus, because she was actually convicte

i think baez was extremely inappropriate. insinuating that the prosecution was committing fraud many insinuating they were hiding things. -- i think that was the prosecutor's way letting out a little frustration. >> judge jeanine: for all our viewers, if you saw that movie, "my cousin vinny" where when -- remember when joe pecs gets ordered on that van to jail? these cases are stressful, a lot of emotion. we'll come back and talk more with our legal panel, after the break. >> plus, casey's mother cindy. she turned out to be a key witness for the prosecution and defense. which said will her testimony help the most? stay with us, we are on verdict watch. thanks to the venture card from capital one, we get double miles on every purchase, so me and my lads earned arip to san francisco twice as fast we get double miles every time we use our card... i'll take these two... ...no matter what we're buying. ...and all of those. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the whole gang! it's hard to beat double miles! whoa dude. [

casey left jail this morning, her attorney, jose baez at her side. warrening a pink t-shirt, blue jeans and sneakers, said quietly thank you to a deputy sheriff and two armed with rifles. within seconds she got into an suv and vanished into the night. a crowd of 300 people screaming as the s.u.v. drove off. they were blocked by orange barricades, mounted policemen, and police cruisers. people in that crowd withstanding a thunderstorm would make their messages clear, most of them anti-casey with a few exceptions. to protest this killer is getting out, that she had such a jury trial that was a joke. a six-year-old would have made a more conscious effort in the decision than what they actually did. >> people need to respect the judicial system and respect due process and let her and her family live their livelies. >> they found her not guilty. does that matter at all to you guys? >> no, she's definitely guilty. >> and then, there was in guy, holding a sign saying casey, will you marry me. >> she deserves a new family, one that's not dysfunctional and i

it hurt baez a little bit. but i really believe, avery, i believe some of those jurors will really be emboldened by that. they will like baez for his tenacity. he is fighting for his client with whatever he has. and he is bringing everything he has here. >> avery, you agree with that? >> well, you know what? i hate to do it, i do. i mean i think that jeff ashton did a tremendous job at the beginning in closing argument. david mattingly talked about the breakup. but what happened back there is judge perry admonished both lawyers, both jeff ashton and jose baez with a fairly serious sanction here. and i think those sort of ant s antics, smiling and gesturing and shaking your heads, generally don't do those sort of things. look. what jose baez did in referring to ashton as laughing boy or something like that was inappropriate. and, you know, this is no johnnie cochran. but baez, to his credit, has gotten a couple of points across. i think the phrase "fantasy of forensics" will stick with the jury. i think he's had

geraldo you had an interview with jose baez. i thought you asked the defining question. if casey didn't kill little caylee, who did? let's roll that tape. >> the biggest question among people that you know and in this community and across the country and the world is, if casey anthony didn't kill this child, who did kill this child? >> i think that all came out in the trial. that this was a horrible tragedy. an accident that snowballed out of control. it doesn't get any more clearer than that. the jury saw that and there they are the ones that heard the evidence not the propaganda and speculation and the frankenstein-like lynch mob that ensued throughout the last three years. but, they her the evidence. what -- they heard the evidence, what our system is based on. >> sean: that lynch mob, i think people seeing the atrocious comment of casey had every right to be out ed. she didn't report this to the police. her conduct dancing is obscene to me. the question is he is admitting an accident occurred. and that it snow bawled out of control. in other word -- snowballed out of

i also spoke today, cheney, to your co-counsel jose baez. he told me, quote, casey is out of orlando. that may have been obvious to many people. you made it very specific. he also said that your baez and your teams continuing fears for casey's physical safety are complicating the process of arranging the therapeutic setting she needs but that quote, it will be set up shortly with people i trust, jose baez and casey is trying to readjust to life, end quote. you know, what do you know about that and can you see her ever having anything resembling a normal life given the experience you have had in your own family with the people, however unreasonable they may be who it only takes one nut job to make, you know, antidote about an ugly phone ghiewl a tragedy. defense lawyer protect them. all i can say is i know jose is diligently working, trying to get things done for casey. we want her to be able to have the intense counseling that we all know. she needs to rejoin the world after being three years of being locked down 23 hours a day. being vilifi

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but today with the stakes at their highest, the personality conflicts between defense attorney jose baez and prosecutor jeff ashton that have long peppered this trial, exploded. >> he could get up here and lie all he wants. and dance around the truth, but the truth is the truth. and he, and depending on who's asking the questions, whether it's this laughing guy right here or whether it's myself. >> objection. >> sustained. approach the bench. >> it stopped the trial cold. the jury was ordered out of the room. >> enough is enough. >> a distracting sideshow in the first-degree murder case that the state told jurors today, it's proven. this morning, with casey anthony looking towards the jury and the prosecutors, ashton stitched together 33 days of evidence into a story. beginning with the silent video. >> when you have a child that child becomes your life. this case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it and the life that casey anthony wanted to have. >> the life casey wanted, ashton said in closings, was a life without responsibilities. >> so s

who put it away was baez. one day you had george testify and he looked like he was lying about the affair, but the defense in one of the most colassel mistakes ever called him the very next day and then asking one question too many and do things that residential a rookie lawyer would do. we all saw a loving grandfather who never would have done what he was allegedly. >> judge jeanine: do you agree that baez made some blunders and opened the door to the prosecution coming in and creating the victim that we're looking at right now, of george anthony? >> yeah, the fact that he can't ask george the hard questions when him on the ropes over the affair blew me away. i totally agree with mark, i with as screaming at the scream, open the door. the cronk thing ink is not as clear-cut. you have krorpg at the scene, moving things around, lots of water, weird stuff out of cronk. i think that the defense might have the body moving around enough and the tape isn't as important. maybe some fuzziness there, but the jurors nee

but today with the stakes at their highest, the personality conflicts between defense attorney, jose baez, and prosecutor, jeff ashton, that have long peppered this trial, exploded. >> he could get up here and lie all he wants. and dance around the truth, but the truth is the truth. and he, and depending on who's asking the questions, whether it's this laughing guy right here or whether it's myself. >> objection. >> sustained. approach the bench. >> it stopped the trial cold. the jury was ordered out of the room. >> enough is enough. >> a distracting sideshow in the first-degree murder case that the state told jurors today, it's proven. this morning, with casey anthony looking towards the jury and the prosecutors, ashton stitched together 33 days of evidence into a story. beginning with the silent video. >> when you have a child that child becomes your life. this case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it and the life that casey anthony wanted to have. >> the life casey wanted, ashton said in closings, was a life without responsibilities. >> s

jose baez. once everything will be read, no other sound in the courtroom except the sobbing of an entire defense team. it was like they all let out this great sob at once, and then you saw the piling on as they all began hugging and holding on to one another. very emotional. but the interesting thing was not a sound from anywhere else in that courtroom. it was as if all the air in the room had been sucked out. nobody else said anything, and everyone left, leaving that defense team celebrating, crying and then eventually breaking into laughter. >> many, many people were surprised today about the change in the courtroom. now let's bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. what's your reaction to the verdict? >> well, this was a problematic case. there was a lot of very hostile press coverage, but this was a case without a cause of death, without a time of death, without even a prosecution scenario of how casey anthony actually killed her daughter. there were probably too many questions for

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let's listen to to jose baez. >> dr. michael sigmond, another forensic scientist said that the main compound was gasoline. they want to say the liner is removed. the air is the air, especially if they test six weeks later. the person who collected the samples in this case was michael sigmond, who is a state expert. he was hired by the state of florida, not by the defense. he was hired by the state. he was hired by the state. the only defense expert you heard from was dr. furton, but we had to call him off -- >> the summation now by the defense attorney for casey anthony still to come today the prosecution will have a rebuttal closing statement to make then instructions to the jury. we'll keep a close watch on the casey anthony case there in orlando. >>> and now this independence day weekend, the center of a sexual assault case, dominique strauss-kahn is enjoying freedom after being released. the case may be on the verge of collapse. cnn national correspondent susan candiotti joins us live from new york. susan, tell us mo

jose baez hammered on that as well. and he says basically this jury cannot cvict casey anthony here because there are too many things that simply do not add up. >> you still have an abun dance of people who did not smell something. this is a reasonable doubt. when you have this many people, this many people who are telling you a certain thing you have to have some doubt. >> that was ten people who arrived not only at the casey anthony and her parent's home on the night of the 911 phone calls, investigators who said they testified they never smelled anything around that car are that smelled like death or decomposition and there are a handful of investigators and other witnesses who absolutely swear that they smelled human decomposition in that car and it was not garbage. however, jose baez, again, bringing up the garbage showing the jury still photos of all of the garbage taken out of the trunk of casey anthony's vehicle suggesting to the jury that t is possible that the trash may have caused the smell. bottom line, he i

then i listened to highway say baez, they laid out -- who jose baez they laid out their closing arguments, they created doubt on every issue. you want to convict her on partying, 31 days and lies. not guilt of murder. >> i want to convict her on the testimony of the overwhelming chloroform in the car, decomposing body. >> sean: how does a decomposed body make her guilty? >> there was a dead body in the car. >> sean: on the 15th, this is when they say all these people smelled the dead body, seven people, several days later said she didn't smell a thing. >> strand of hair. >> sean: new technology, never used it in florida. >> it seems to me you are doing what the late johnnie cochran did. you gotta challenge, if it doesn't fit, challenge the dna. now we have dna -- >> sean: you are pro-life, i'm pro-life. we've done this many times i like the innocence project. what if you convicted somebody who didn't do it? >> it would be a nightmare. is it better to let a guilty woman go free? >> i walk -- i was walking through airports today and looking at these 2-year-olds. i was looking at parents hol