john boehner to then former use speaker newt @@gingrich, how well is boehner doing? i ask you, major garrettí >> this lots of ways to measure that. one is the polling data. gingri's he's negatives were always higher an his positives. john boehnes positives are yawl to his negatis so he's doing@better in the@polling with the american public. congress's approval rating though is lower now than it was in the@mid-90s. congress is held in much higher ntempt now than then. analysis. the inside coress analysis is that this stage of speaker gingrich speakehip he already had the contract of america through, to 10 high priority items sos he had more legislative victories than ehner does now. but that was e fective end of the gingrich speakership. boehner has taken a gradsistic approach, removing power from the speakership, giving it@more to the chairmen, allowing legislation to move through the house, that is giving him latitude to strike deals some boehner internally is stronger and is probably going@to remain s(nger as a eaker an gingrich was. >> do you think all@of at whic

the boehner plan has that. the hard trigger in the boehner plan is you don't get another debt limit increase until you do this. i think the way those two can be melted together, first and foremost, we've got to see the house vote on the boehner plan, got to deal with that one way or the other in the senate. i would like to see us pass it in the senate. you may be right, i think the democrats are unifying against it. but that is going to force us to figure out from that point forward, go back to the drawing board and determine how we get this thing done but it's got to happen soon and it's going to require i think a meaningful commitment to spending reform, spending reductions and a pathway to entitlement reform before you are going to get much republican support for it. >> john thune, thanks so much, senator. thanks for joining us. >>> the sounds of silence. who is missing in action on the debt ceiling debate? the politico briefing up next. >>> in just a few minutes, at 1:30 eastern, speaker john boehner holds

a spokesman for john boehner. today this is always an embarrassment, in many ways the cbo coming out making him having to refigure the numbers, that helped and bought him an extra day? >> when you watch this whole showdown be unveiled, john is one of the most medical politicians that i have ever worked for. he is not going to get very rattled by a cbo estimate that has $850 instead of the 1.2. >> congresswoman emerson said he's not changing the cuts, he's changing the debt ceiling because he doesn't want to get too far away from reid. >> and he's going to do what he can to find the right numbers that he can start to satisfy the conference and then he's going to go back to what he's done this entire time, growing the vote, finding where is one more vote, one more vote, so it actually leads up to something he can bring to the floor. >> senator schumer said they're not going to start the clock, they're not going to try to jam in a vote in the senate. they want to use it as sort of the last gasp vehicle. but at some p

that's the first section of the boehner proposal. the second part, which would be done by a joint committee, charles, couldn't be scored because, obviously, you have to kind of hammer out what you're going to cut on entitlements. >> the boehner proposal is a great achievement and if the republicans in the house, a minority of them kill it, i think it will be suicidal. this is a moment of maximum leverage. this is a country where you cannot govern out of one house of the congress. the democrats have control of the presidency and the senate and the republicans have achieved a lot in the boehner proposal, you get only cuts, you get no tax hikes, you establish a new principle, never before that a debt limit willen increased with a matching amount of spending cuts, that's an achievement and you avoid the situation where if we end up not in default, but in disarray next week, the republicans are going to share a lousy economy, high unemployment which right now the president owns and the prize is to win the election in november. the only wa

what is next for speaker john boehner? when will there be a vote on the speaker's debt ceiling plan? stay tuned. >> greta: and the united states is in an economic sess pool right now. we're out of money, and tuesday out of credit. money does more than just give us government services and help people, it protects us, national security does have a big price tag. what about our friends and our promises to them. if we promise money, can we put can you tell it? and is this at risk? israeli defense minister is visiting the united states and went on the record. >> nice to see you, sir, welcome to the united states. >> thank you for everything. >> so you've had a busy dance card so to speak seeing secretary of state hillary clinton, vice president biden and secretary of defense pinetta. >> yes. >> greta: why did you come to the united states? >> i came here to meet with palestine new jobs for the make sure that we are on the same page for the whole volcanic eruption in the middle east around us. >> greta: you came in the middle of

what is next for speaker john boehner? when will there be a vote on the speaker's debt ceiling plan? stay tuned. >> greta: and the united states is in an economic sess pool right now. we're out of money, and tuesday out of credit. money does more than just give us government services and help people, it protects us, national security does have a big price tag. what about our friends and our promises to them. if we promise money, can we put can you tell it? and is this at risk? israeli defense minister is visiting the united states and went on the record. >> nice to see you, sir, welcome to the united states. >> thank you for everything. >> so you've had a busy dance card so to speak seeing secretary of state hillary clinton, vice president biden and secretary of defense pinetta. >> yes. >> greta: why did you come to the united states? >> i came here to meet with palestine new jobs for the make sure that we are on the same page for the whole volcanic eruption in the middle east around us. >> greta: you came in the middle of

this ad is air flg john boehner's district. >> our own representative boehner is risking the health of our economy in america defaults on debts all to pro tech the tax cuts. in budget debates the rich have many political prends, and lobbyists. the poor do not. >> there is letter saying quote, listen tole capitol church, not the tea party. asking him to defend the most vul flerable in society. well be there are conservative christians and conservative and liberals of every religion. i don't believe that religion should govern the country. i do believe, even though i'm a minister, in separate of church and state. but i believe we must have values. values that do not, in my judge emt and in the judgment of other religious leaders. forget about those that are the most vulnerable and most forgoton. values that made this country, valued all over the world. why did people look up to america? not because we exalted the rich but because we lifted the poor. because we had people like dr. martin luther king, jr. and we believe in principles of people like gandhi and we look to people like mother

this issue may be decided by boehner, mcconnell and -- boehner mcconnell and reid. >> greta: i did think it was rather disgraceful, the poor president -- not the poor president but the president hit with the mint fro comment fromo that we don't score speeches. that was probably -- >> that was probably devastating. >> the cbo is nonpartisan. >> greta: and that did slap the president down a little bit like give aus plan. the white house says is has a plan. i have not seen a plan. ed henry keeps asking for it. every time he does he gets a little bit insulted. >> i want to point out one other thing. i was around in 1995. we shut down the government. i remember turning people away from the grand canyon and people were up in arms. one, we shouldn't shut down the government. we should don't that to the american people. and number two is this country, the greatest country in the world should not default on its debts and to somehow say that well, we can prioritize and pay this bill and that bill, the reality is if you don't have 40% of the money to pay your debts then something is going to happen

and what does boehner do? he comes back on national television and says that it's president obama who is creating the crisis atmosphere. >> obviously, i expect that bill can and will pass the senate and be sent to the president for a signature. and if the president signs it, the crisis atmosphere that he has created will simply disappear. >> let's see. i've never written one of these before. four -- how do you do that? do you just put a point there or do you do that? i've never written one this big. four point seven trillion and zero dollars, right? they turned that down. nancy pelosi has been on fire throughout this entire ordeal. and she cuts right to the chase and she is willing to tell the american people straight up exactly what the republicans really want to destroy. >> this isn't just about they're saying we should reduce the deficit. the budget deficit is an excuse for the republicans to undermine government, plain and simple. they don't just want to make cuts, they want to destroy. they want to destro

that's right, this game is up there in harry reid's corner and boehners. boehner's got a problem. the cuts and the congressional office says he doesn't got it, it's $850 million only. these aren't radicals telling the tea party and republicans vote down the boehner plan as is. >> we were just showing the wall street journal plan, boehner plan faces rebellion, it cuts $850 billion. >> they have to get something together today and move it closer to the tea party, get the party united and roll it to harry reid. >> they called the package back after the ceo. he's getting screwed here, the cbo makes two comparisons in the study. if you look at them, it's $1.1 trillion. if you look at the march, 2011, it's $850 billion. the white house came out and said boehner's plan is $1.1 trillion in savings. they want harry reid's plan to have the same savings. i agree with you 100%, there's no -- >> let me say this, joe. in reality, i admire the tea party. they don't want a phony deal. they are serious about cuts and the boehner thing doesn't make the real cuts. i think boehner has to move to them

mitt romney applauds boehner's leadership, but refuses to take a position on the boehner bill. the only gop white house hopeful backing the debt increase is former utah governor jon huntsman, who's called the boehner bill a good step. >> the boehner plan at least begins that process of cutting, that i think is terribly important. the president has shown no leadership. he doesn't have a plan on the table. my opponents in this race haven't even come up with what they support. >> but all the republican presidential candidates do support spending cuts and oppose tax hikes. sarah palin calls the boehner bill a gop retreat while she accuses the president of trying to scare voters into accepting more government spending, but she's not actually above political threats herself and she warned republicans on facebook today that everyone she talks believes in contested primaries. she sides with tea partiers against a debt hike and will join a tea party rally in iowa around labor day weekend, right about the time she says she'll make a final decision on whether she's running or not. bret? >

boehner's proposed plan will come through the house? will be voted on and be a success through the house? >> i don't know. i give the speaker a lot of credit for continuing to try to craft something, put some solution together, but to me, we can do better, but it is just not good enough and we can do better. >> will you vote for it? >> no, i can't, martin. what i voted for was what ivo voted for last week. the house passed a historic piece of legislation that cut spending and would get us toward a balanced budget amendment which with republicans and democrats in some form support. that is what -- go ahead. >> mr. walsh, we can add your name then to the five republicans who have already said they won't vote, and that means that we are down to what, boehner can only afford to lose 22, so that's down to what? how's your math? >> i was never a strong math student, martin. so i'm not a head counter, but all i know is that we can do better, and we have to do better. and if it means that we go a day or two or three beyond august 2nd to get thi

boehner, come on back to the camera. come on back to the camera and tell us what the republican party has done for small business since barack obama's been in the oval office. you haven't done a damn thing. you have done nothing but obstruct everything this president has put on the table and been against everything this president has put on the table for small businesses. and, of course, the republicans say that they are the party of small business. what about these taxes now? mr. boehner didn't mention anything about sacrifice tonight. he didn't talk about the middle class, he didn't talk about wage earners, he didn't talk about outsourcing, which really is also a big problem in our economy. so to me, the schoolyard bully tonight, he just passed the buck and went after president obama. tried to put it on the shoulders of the president saying that, hey, we're accusing the president, you know? he's the one that's creating this crisis? joining me tonight is senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, great to have you with

couldn't reach boehner. finally boehner's office saying well the speaker will call the president at 5:30 and not before them. >> david when i hear something like that, it makes me wonder. is boehner not able to deliver those that he represents or he is the problem or some combination of both? i always wondered if there is a dichotomy between cantor and boehner that will doom this. >> there is tlit cal po posturing going on. what do republicans want? as much as they can get in spending cuts and no tax hikes. that's the price of getting the debt ceiling raised. they may ultimately get a smaller deal that raises the debt ceiling. maybe you know, boehner seems to -- he denied it there but others have said he wants a shorter term deal. he gets some down pamtsz on spending cuts and comes back over and over again. he wants a grander deal. i don't know how you get to the truth of the matter other than working boem sides and talking to people who are involved. we know for the past two weeks that a grand bargain was a

not all of them like boehner's trying to do now. at least half of them and you make up the difference with democrats. republican senators are no more interested in this house bill than democratic senators are. senator mccain going into this lunch with i'm told they were having spa getty repeated his assertion with the idea that we're going to do a balanced budget amendment to cap federal spending as 18% of the economy as bizarro. everyone on the senate side is expecting this to move into the middle. >> lori montgomery it's been an italian themed menu this week on capitol hill. pizza last night, spa getty for lunch. all good thins. maybe the only good thing out of the hill. >>> and this week nbc's brian williams takes us behind the scenes with unprecedented action to all the players in the debt showdown. as president obama said today he wants a compromise. what does majority leader reid really think about mitch mcconnell? >> how do you get along with mitch mcconnell? >> mitch and i are friends. we talk every day. i consider him a fin

the boehner bill is tabled. this means that the boehner bill is put aside. but just to explain, they are not killing that bill. they are going to use that bill as the vehicle by which they're going to send back a compromise that we still don't know the details of. we expect that that will be formed over the next day, and be sent back on the boehner bill but they will scrap out all the things that are in boehner, at least some of them and put it back to the house after a vote in the senate. that will be the vote to watch. likely early sunday morning, where it will need 60 votes to pass. depending on what that compromise is between now and then, that will determine whether there are enough votes in the u.s. senate to pass that back to the u.s. house of representatives. tonight, the effort has been tabled and the boehner bill essentially has been put on hold. put on ice, laura 59-41. >> laura: this is dramatic stuff, bret, thanks so much. james, like 59, they needed that one extra vote for the added assurance they didn't get it but harry reid did not waste any

he actually had boehner i think agreeing to a certain amount of revenues and boehner discovered he couldn't get it through his own tea party caulk us. boehner face as a huge political problem if the senate approves something. if the senate approves something and it goes back to the house, he has to decide whether it goes to the floor for a vote. if he denies it a vote, and the country goes into default, i think republicans would have to think twice next year about their chances of succeeding at all in 2012. >> i understand that will be a very interesting weekend. i understand how mr. boehner face as a real problem here, but in some ways, couldn't you say that all of official washington face as a problem here? because effectively, have you about 60 young freshmen congressmen who have somehow stymied everyone. >> you've got about 1/5 of the house of representatives, which right now is trying to run the country. i call it a constitutional coup de etat. we never functioned that way. we'll see a real test of the this weekend. can the adults in the room take some risks? can mitch mcconnell negoti

and last night, speaker boehner brought the leadership team together. we're meeting this afternoon and the conference is going to be having a conference call to continue to discuss, where we go from here. we're very much committed to being part of a solution. >> neil: do you think that the-- everyone hardened their positions since the president's comments last night, that republicans said, well, you know, now the way he's talking and saying, we're fot going to give an inch on anything, we're going to run back to our original position and democrats say they'll run back to their original position and actually what's happened, the two sides have hardened their stances and that that means a deal is decidedly less likely? >> we believe that the senate democrats, the president, need to put a plan on the table. we have put a plan on the table. and so far, everything that we've gotten from the senate and the president have been speeches and talks about a potential outline for us to move forward, we really need to see something on paper with votes and that's whe

boehner knows that his latest proposal, which cbo has exposed as not saving as much money as boehner claimed, has no chance of becoming law. but the tea party doesn't know that. so boehner has to appear to be fighting for it or something like it, fighting until the very end. and so boehner pretends to fight for it as told the house republican caucus today. "get your ass in line, this is the bill. i can't do this job unless you're behind me." but tea party approval is still hard to come by for an old republican establishment guy like boehner. >> i will not vote for this bill, because i don't think we should be raising the debt ceiling at all. we need to be doing what a business does when it becomes overextended. federal government is broke. >> to me, we can do better, it's just not good enough, and i think we can do better. >> will you vote for it? >> no, i can't, martin. >> i will not vote to increase the debt ceiling. it goes completely contrary to common sense. >>former maverick, john mccain, is not exactly maverick-y enough to risk not raising the debt ceiling, so he has rushed to

boehner and mr. obama, were getting flak from their parties and yesterday we were sort of focused on the congressional democrats blowback to mr. obama because of concessions he was reportedly making on the entitlement programs, medicare, medicaid and social security, but today was speaker boehner's walkout from the talks. it's clear that he has gotten plenty of blowback from his side yet again like earlier in the month when he left the talks. his side is just not willing to raise revenues as part of the deal. >> now, you vote wrote yesterday that theres was a deal that was close and then everyone denied it. it seems to have fallen apart by tonight. were they ever close? the president says no and boehner says no. >> well, you know, the truism here, you heard it yourself, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. it was always clear that both men were going to have to take this deal out and sell it. the thing is both men and speaker boehner know that this is something that there has to be an

boehner walked out. he made certain proposals and he couldn't get his party to support the proposal. he today go back to the drawing board three times. joe madison, what are we talking about revote. it took the speaker all week to get his party to vote for his bill and he today redo it three times. >> three times in three days. and he obviously miscalculated. and, look, he knows very well that he is being controlled by, i don't know what number is now, 63 or 87, some fresh freshmen, the reality is, that's not senior leadership. you know, noonian also said something that president obama was sly. you know, sly as a fox. she reminds me of the kids in the classroom who don't like the smart kid. she confuses being sly with being smart. he is very smart. and the reality is, how does a loser get on television and say, call your congressmen and senator and the switch boards blow up. losers don't get -- >> of course the president gets on television across the nation and tells people to call their congress. becaus

you did or did not support speaker boehner's bill? >> i voted no, sean. >> sean: that it what i thought. let me explain to people. all the plans that we are talking about here, there is not one of them that solves or attacks the real problem because next year spending goes up 7.5%. the year after we spend 7.5% more. the year after we spend 7.5% more. so am i correct in explaining this meaning the baseline? >> that's correct. the baseline continues to go up at about 7%. >> sean: and you were suggesting and i have been pushing this plan as you know all week because i think we have got to deal with reality here. they are spending too much money. country is going bankrupt. we will have $25 trillion in debt. i like cut, cap and balance and i like your bill. you are saying if we freeze spending at 2011 levels for six years and then cut 1% a year. i want you to say it if your own words? >> thank you very much, sean. also, senator marco rubio just signed on to the bill. picking up momentum and more members of the house. what the bill does is

speaker of the house john boehner. geithner and boehner only on "fox news sunday." plus, what happens if there is no deal? will will -- will there be a market meltdown? who will be to blame. we will ask the sunday panel about the policy realities all right now on "fox news sunday." captions by closed captioning services >> chris: hello again from fox news washington. it's now fine days and counting until the u.s. hits the debt limit. with the collapse of talks about a grand bargain, county nation's leaders come up with a last-ditch plan to raise the debt ceiling before august 2nd? we'll talk with speaker john boehner in a moment. but first another key figure at the center of the talks. treasury secretary tim geithner and secretary geithner welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good to see you, chris. >> chris: congressional republicans are working on two stage plan that would cut over a trillion dollars in spending right away and raise the debt ceiling into early next year. then there would be a mechanism for more cuts that if approved the debt ceiling would be raised pa

so i think it's been happening at the level of leader reid, speaker boehner and now speaker boehner is planning to move it through the house with the support of his conference. >> ifill: we have heard today that the phones were jammed at the capitol with people in your constituents calling in. is that what you're hearing from your members as well? >> i think's a high level of expectation on the part of the american public that their leaders come together and solve two things: one is make sure the obligations are met and that we don't go into any sort of tail spin as a result of this. but as importantly, make sure that the debt ceiling isn't raised just willy-nilly with no pro-conditions. and i think if there's a thoughtful way forward-- and that, i would submit, is the boehner plan-- that accomplishes those two things i think most americans can get their heads around that and feel a high level of confidence. which is why i think it's interesting when you were interviewing the white house representative, he very carefully didn't they the president would veto the bill. and i think they o

he is for the boehner plan. paul ryan, the only guy to advocate what is it $6 billion in n his budget that would have actually satisfied all these credit agencies rating he is for the tea party plan. a minority of republicans and god bless them i think they were smart to hold everybody's feet to the fire and smart to do that but very small minority of republicans are going to blow up the whole deal and harm the republican party. >> bill: it's not only going to hurt the republican party, which has already been hurt, okay? , but it's going to save president obama, who they hate. they don't like him. >> laura: exactly. that's my point. >> bill: the irony is the people who dislike president obama the most on talk radio or cable news, wherever it is, the people who dislike him the most are helping him the most. have you got to stop this hateful rhetoric. some of the rhetoric is so hateful that independents will spin their head around. you have to say listen we are at a point in history you can't have. this you pointe

we'll talk to john boehner in a moment. treasury geithner, welcome to fox news sunday. >> good to see you, chris. >> chris: congressional republicans are working on a two-stage man to cut spending right away and raise the debt ceiling next year and then a mechanism for more cuts if approved the debt ceiling would be raised in, will the president pass that into law? >> we have to lift the default from the economy. for the next 18 months. we have to take that threat off of the table through the election. but we also want to try to make sure we come together and make tough choices and lock in long-term savings. we need to do those two things so the economy is stronger and getting more americans back to work. >> chris: the boehner plan will the president veto that? >> there are two plans on the table right now. one is the frame work and speaker of the house have been talking about. >> they are talking still. both the president and the speaker believe that the best thing we can do is put together a contribution. >> chris: you ar

they call it the boehner two-step. cut $1.2 trillion over ten years and provide a short-term $1 trillion increase in the government's borrowing limit. and a joint committee to cut another $1.6 to $1.8 trillion and no new taxes. it is a plan in line with the cut, cap, balance legislation passed by the house last week and a plan that was quickly defeated by the democrats in the senate. all parties had been close to a so-called grand bargain until the talks collapsed again friday night. a collapse made personally dueling press conferences, one by the president and the other by the speaker. the speaker who we all now know bolted at theç altar and vanisd from the talks where we learned that $100 billion in new revenues over ten years and a tiny fraction of the pie was the deal-breaker. boehner's boys in their unwillingness to compromise looked like a bride on wedding day. today, on a twitter offensive, he called the compromise indefensible. that is maybe your role, mr. boehner and not the deal. at the white house is luke

the boehner plan. the president said he would veto plan. the democrats have not put forward a plan the one harry reid is talking about is phony accounting and doubt and gutting our defense department so i don't like that either. we have fallen into the president's trap, in mypj opinion. he set an artificial deadline and that data fast if i, crisis, the same rhetoric he used to pass the stimulus, to bail out banks, insurance companies and call street. same rhetoric he used for obamacare and we are buying into this. fast. we take in 200 billion dollars a month. i think republicans in the house and senate need to regroup, lock themselves in a room, support one plan and put it on the president's desk. if he doesn't want it then any default will be on his shoulders. tell me why i'm wrong? wrong is because if we don't act within a few days, then anyone, including the person with the treasury department under the bush administration came over today that the markets will react. that the lack of confidence thro

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i wouldn't agree if i were boehner. >> if you were speaker boehner would you have gone to the white house as he did today after the president's nasty comments last night. >> yes, it is cool to the white house . you never know if there is not a change of mind or heart. you always leave yourself open for a good negotiation and a good correct change on the president's part. but i wouldn't agree with something that has a tax rate incroses . boehner is correct in not agreeing to it. i talk to the president and harry reid and nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell. >> i think it is different than when ronald reagan would have bamentses with tip o'neil. >> we just got the tape n and you can see john boehner to the left and harry reid to the right. >> whata do you make of the fact he is there. >> i don't know. the personal stuff that i hear said by obama is very, very poor taste and surely not a way to do negotiations and that's not the way to do business . he is playing politics to be honest with you . talk about catastrophic and end of the world and major recession and downgrades, all of that is nons

so have talks between the, "and boehner. although the president will be speaking to all the congressional leaders at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow tomorrow at the white house. stephen hayes, charles lane, "washington post," and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer is our panel. we have heard one side of the argue in the the first half of the show, the argue fire department the president. one thing struck me in the deal that the president talked about. he talked about $1..65 trillion in cuts. most of the deals were 4-to-1 spendk cut to revenue increases. this was almost 50/50. >> right. that suggests that when he was making the arguments that the democrats were willing to do the difficult things and the republicans are the ones that backed, not as it a -- balked, not as it was on the surface. this is quint essential president obama blame-shifting. the house republicans weren't willing to do anything, after republicans did nothing but for six months present a plan after plan, ryan budget or cut, cap and balance. one thing after anot

>> the significance of the boehner bill passing, that means house republicans, particularly john boehner himself, are still in the conversation. they're able to drive this conversation in a way they wouldn't have been able to if the bill had gone down. if it had gone down, it's entirely possible that the reid bill passes in the senate, and the house republicans are marginalized at that point. the differences between reid and boehner in that critical area, house republicans, republicans generally, have a voice. >> bret: karen? >> we've talked about grand bargains, big changes. what this is once again sort of kicking the can. it makes you wonder if the political system is now so broken that it is actually incapable of solving problems. >> i don't think it's incapable of solving problems. i think people ought to try incrementalism. republicans should remember what got democrats in trouble, they took a bite at the apple in healthcare. republicans said slow down. for the next few days, if we're going to meet this deadline, it's all about politics, deal-make, compromising, and horse trading. >

just because it is bigger than speaker boehner's plan is really the reason the boehner plan may trigger a downgrade. as we indicated, some investors, and this is a very subjective view of what would happen. think you could see the increase of a quarter percent to a half percent. if you remember, a year ago, when california had to issue those ious, california' rates go up half a percent to a percent. that a big increase and that happened even when they stopped paying the ious and stopped paying cash again. the long term implications stay with us even if the downgrade is very short. >> that translates into real money when all is that and done. glory yark you're getting more information on what we might be hearing. >> one of the interesting things coming from the administration to erin's point, they believe there is a possibility of a downgrade. not only because boehner's plan doesn't have as much deficit reduction about it means you have to come back again to this same debate six months down the line to have the question of whether you rayed the debt ceiling. that of course cause as lot o

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leader boehner -- sorry, we're still waiting for leader mcconnell and speaker boehner to move even a little bit in our direction. >> so that was harry reid explaining why the senate has rejected john boehner's bill which went through the house earlier. we'll get straight back to wolf blitzer. a couple of things struck me from what the democratic senator was saying. one was it's not politics as usual. the other is it's time to behave like adults which seemed ironic given it's exactly politics as usual and none are behaving much like adults. >> they don't have a lot of time. it's got to be done by tuesday. looks like they're going stretch it out until the bitter end. it's going to go saturday, sunday, the asian markets again will open sunday night east coast time here in the united states. monday in asia. already the u.s. markets will reopen monday morning. so this clock is ticking. as you know, for six days, the markets in the u.s. have gone down, wall street down the worst week in more than a year in the united states. that could be the tip of the iceberg if they don't get something

he told them to hold back until boehner had his chance. hold back until the boehner bill came to the floor. that's all history now. the american people want us to move forward. they want us to come up with a bipartisan approach that doesn't have us relive this scene that we've seen for the past week over and over and over and over again, like the old groundhog day movie. we want to get this done in a way so we can say the economy is going to move forward with a certainty that we'll have a debt ceiling extension and we are not going to jeopardize it with the problem of self-imposed political problems and wounds that can be avoided. it's a shame. we waited all day, this morning, senator reid went up to senator mcconnell on floort and said let's talk. let's work this out. nothing, nothing all day long. not all day long. and later at the end of the day, a call from senator mcconnell who said i'm not going to negotiate with up that's unfortunate. the american people deserve better. and let me say one last thing. if senator mcconnell would give

boehner, come on back to the camera. come on back to the camera and tell us what the republican party has done for small business since barack obama's been in the oval office. you haven't done a damn thing. you have done nothing but obstruct everything this president has put on the table and been against everything this president has put on the table for small businesses. and, of course, the republicans say that they are the party of small business. what about these taxes now? mr. boehner didn't mention anything about sacrifice tonight. he didn't talk about the middle class, he didn't talk about wage earners, he didn't talk about outsourcing, which really is also a big problem in our economy. so to me, the schoolyard bully tonight, he just passed the buck and went after president obama. tried to put it on the shoulders of the president saying that, hey, we're accusing the president, you know? he's the one that's creating this crisis? joining me tonight is senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, great to have you with

so that's it, jay, we had -- the senate has disposed of the boehner bill, the short-lived boehner bill. i don't think i've seen a house bill passed and then defeated in quite such a quick period of time in one evening. does the president think that there is a way for him to stay out of this? if mcconnell wants him in, does that mean the white house wants to stay out? >> i think the white house -- and, you know, behind the scenes a lot of politicians have said to me in both chambers the president's presence hasn't been helpful in these negotiations. he elevates it to a point where, you know, it's so high up you can't really discuss behind closed doors, you really need to sort of -- a lot of this has to be done through staffers, through getting the basic kind of details of the bills nailed down, and elevating it to that level isn't that helpful, especially when reid and mcconnell have negotiated so many bills together, know each other so well, have a comfortable relationship. boehner and obama have negotiated, but those fell apart twice. and so, i mean, having the president in the room h

to see if the boehner plan has the votes. if it comes up for a vote, we have been told by republican aides that they are going to bring it up for a vote tonight. but you better believe it's not going to come up for a vote until they are pretty sure they have got those 216 votes. >> shepard: if they had had them they would have done it already. >> mike. the white house didn't actually use the word grinch today but the white house did say speaker boehner's bill could riewfn christmas by forcing us to go through this three ring circus again during the holidays. >> in the most important economic season in the country, and at a time when people don't want to worry about whether or not their are interest rates are going to group, mortgage payments and car payments and student loan bills, and their credit card payments, especially as they are buying gifts for the holidays, if we care about the economy, how could that possibly be the answer. >> shepard: what is the answer if senate democrats make good on threat speaker boehner's bill

>>> and speaker boehner runs out of gimmicks. the tea party is ready to pounce. >>> plus, republicans running for president just made their job harder. a major snub could cost them. >>> also, rick perry's controversial comments on gay marriage.ç >>> and chris christie says no way it run it. so what's he doing in iowa? >>> welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, president obama goes prime time. in three hours, the president will address the nation on the debt crisis. it comes as republicans reject another, yet another, fad deal from the democrats. today, senator harry reid offered a proposal that cuts the deficit, doesn't raise taxes, so surely speaker boehner is delighted, right? wrong. >> i believe that the plan is full of gimmicks and doesn't deal with the biggest drivers of our deficit and our debt, that would be entitlement programs. >> instead, boehner is pushing a short term proposal. which the white house and democrats say is a nonstopper. and up until a month ago, it was a nonstarter for republicans as wel

first of all, you have john boehner in a meeting. you have harry reid saying he's going to move forward, and you can see we're waiting for the president, that is the diplomatic room, and we have no indication he's going to take questions, but he is going to talk about the ongoing debt negotiations. it was just yesterday that "the new york times" suggested that the president really risked being a bystander in one of the most critical moments of his presidency. well, clearly, after holding all those meetings in the white house, now he's back front and center in the =!]$uz of ë%uthis. and also as luke just suggested, we've got two huge pieces of economic news. one, the numbers on the gdp, which basically mark the economic progress that we're making, much worse than expected. the dow -- do we have those numbers? can we put up where the markets are right now? they were down more than 100 points -- well, they are 84 now. a lot of suggestions if the markets really start to react negatively, that will add even more from the pressure. i want

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he actually had boehner i think agreeing to a certain amount of revenues and boehner discovered he couldn't get it through his own tea party caulk us. boehner face as a huge political problem if the senate approves something. if the senate approves something and it goes back to the house, he has to decide whether it goes to the floor for a vote. if he denies it a vote, and the country goes into default, i think republicans would have to think twice next year about their chances of succeeding at all in 2012. >> i understand that will be a very interesting weekend. i understand how mr. boehner face as a real problem here, but in some ways, couldn't you say that all of official washington face as a problem here? because fefktively, have you about 60 young freshmen congressmen who have somehow stymied everyone. >> you've got about 1/5 of the house of representatives, which right now is trying to run the country. i call it a constitutional coup de etat. we never functioned that way. we'll see a real test of the this weekend. can the adults in the room take some risks? can mitch mcconnell negotia

everyone is talking about boehner. it is the senate that can't get anything passed because none of though democratic senators will vote for a tax increase. >> we'll see what happens in the senate next. i want to go back to gingrich and bill clinton. do you recall the positive statesmanship? >> i actually recall night gingrich leading the charge to impeach bill clinton. in other words, maybe i just don't, maybe i have a different kind of memory, a view of american history. and i remember night gingrich saying that president obama had an anti-colonial view of manager. wherever that came from. i am sort of he said amored that night gingrich has now professed love for bill clinton when he was trying to run him out of office and to try to have a criminal prosecution. when you get old, i just remember too many things. >> don't believe him. he doesn't remember anything. he can't hear and he doesn't listen. >> come on, night, don't you know that we remember that kind of stuff? please. >> there's been a rap video that has gone