went to nato and nato in this particular case was trans in the u.k. so very likely then france and the are going to benefit from. your professor of political science clearly your experience and your knowledge of past developments like this do you think that this transitional government really is going to turn into a strong legitimate power or could there be a political vacuum where our it's very difficult to predict the future. looks as if all the conflicts. are going to a long time do result they are tribal conflicts all conflicts and there is political. rebels big chill there and. not so long ago. a group of very different people there were also people all attacked african. and so on so. you know tell what's going to happen what it could be here are. all the internationals was very different but we did have a period of intense was in libya there is factions fighting for terrorism and so on their own state was. the way you describe the potential future where we could see this disparate rebel organization turning against themselves everybody fighting

on one hand, the inclusion of non-nato members in a nato operation, sweden and uae was really a huge success. and damon pointed out, nato's role in managing the campaign there is no substitute for nato as a military capability in the euro-atlantic sphere. the eu does not come close. naida was approved extension -- nato was proved essential. the uk, having made the decision to get rid of the carrier's months before, had to stretch the capability of its coronate no force, but did so in a way that contributed to the combat operations. i think today and in the future, nino is more important than ever, and i think u.s. leadership in nato is more important than ever. we have fairly significant strains within the most successful lives in history. and i would say unless these strains are confronted and result, then the alliance is in jeopardy. we really must fix the fact that not all nations who are alliance members understand that it is a one for all, all for one alliance. we have seen the emergence of policy in a -- polity in a nato context where nations are opting out. and the tension bet

went to nato and nato in this particular case was trans in the u.k. so it's very likely then friends of the are going to benefit from it can you. news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sporting drop in oil prices analysts say now the most important question is just how much stability the new government will bring artie's surfers has the latest what we see really is a kneejerk reaction in the oil markets to the events in tripoli we see in the oil prices he said talking almost three dollars in festus thinking that there are some hopes the oil production could resume shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the italian oil company any has sent workers back into libya they've led the way really in sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such is the b.p. have actually passed on the fence at the moment they're waiting see exactly how this plays out what's going to happen over the coming days and weeks what we've heard from the information manager o

went to nato and nato in this particular case was trans in the u.k. so it's very likely then france and the are going to benefit from it can you. news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sparking an immediate drop in oil prices and it is now the most important question is just how much stability the new government will bring or to sort of first as the latest what we see really is a kneejerk reaction in the oil markets to the events in tripoli we see in the oil prices as you say talking almost three dollars in festus thinking that there are some hopes the oil production could resume shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the italian oil company any has sent workers back into libya they've led the way really in sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such is the b.p. have actually started the fence at the moment they're waiting see exactly how this plays out what's going to happen over the coming days and weeks what we've heard from the informa

on one hand, the inclusion of non-nato members in a nato operation. the inclusion of sweden and u.a.e. in qatar is really a huge success. and as damon pointed out, nato's role in managing this campaign proved once again there is no substitute to nato as a military capability in the euro-atlantic sphere. nothing comes close. the e.u. does not come close. nato, again, was proved essential. and finally i would just tip my hat to the belgians and to the norwegians and even the u.k., which having made the decision to get rid of its carriers just months before, had to stretch the capabilities of its tornado force but which did so in a way which contributed meaningfully to the combat operations. i think today and in the future nato is more important than ever, and i think u.s. leadership in nato is more important than ever. we have some fairly significant strains within the most successful alliance in history. and, i would go so far as to say, unless these strains and divisions are confronted, and resolved, then, then, the alliance is in jeopardy. we really

and by nato that you know. yes in brussels the you were representatives have said that as the united states seems to be taking a back seat in these negotiations they see an opportunity to fill that vacuum you admitted that hard work lies ahead and the divisions between the rebel factions means that it will be a difficult time because when there was a single enemy it was very easy for various factions some with very different interests to bond together and now there are fears that this may collapse and there may be a power vacuum france in fact claimed that the mission in libya is over now defense experts here in the european union all concerned by such statements because with the absence of gadhafi in any sort of real power structure there are concerns that there could be an even more bloody civil war emerging the very unorganized nature of the rebellion has allowed many different interests to join nato. and has called on gadhafi to end his career of violence as he put it he said the world is watching and i did

that the stockpiles are unsafe in the hands of the rebel forces and would be safer in the hands of the nato forces whereas the people who have so far been involved in siege in tripoli and killing tripoli's civilians in tripoli have been beaten into a side so i think the question is really who are the people to be concerned about having access to those weapons i would imagine that that if there was any danger to be had it would be obviously in the proliferation of those weapons as in early july it was quoted as saying that he would be willing to strike at europe if if tripoli was was attacked so i guess that is a possibility it seems to be on the table but but certainly it's unclear to me whether the weapons would be safer in the hands of get off u.s. forces or the terrorists i think ultimately perhaps getting rid of these types of weapons would be the ultimate goal for in terms of peace and stability of the u.s. as it's working to release up to one hundred billion dollars of frozen assets to the new transitional government some say that for a government of barely six months all that simply

nato lose a lot of. ground to be specially resettled those would be counterproductive from where you are for. the. base from. which part of. the night. nato is going to places. that we actually we elect to shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels enter the industry. there are reports of gunfire near the libya tunisia border and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction and then to flee the fierce fighting between pro and anti gadhafi forces and r.t. correspondent i mean a clash is at the border. there has been a rather intense fighting reported missing the i'll talk about the end rebel forces about shifting from or from the border with tunisia in the challenges will come much to the border in libya until we have sort of a degree is a plate over the past five months people have been drinking chiefly because they have a serious look like if not what's going on you know it's essential eventually now with libyan forces literally attacking going over out of th

mandate for nato military mission expires next month the question is will nato stay on beyond its mandate do you think. the wording of the man changed to make it a more humanitarian. nabeel is this a lot of money. and the lure of oil. is over or maybe it was committed to staying in libya the long stick nevertheless also the fact that the rebels are made up of what tribal factions sectarian factions it doesn't necessarily mean just because the rebels or one that we're going to see a peaceful future there in libya doesn't know or the only thing that we can safely say is that it looks like it's a very confusing situation for quite a long time for example oh we don't know where to go for years. a barracks in downtown tripoli where i interviewed him once years ago. even. left the hiding but the problem is that the this so-called transitional government in benghazi a traditional flow of tripoli libya was more or less created by the french and a handful of its members exiles from western oriented. the west for a long time but the other half for its majority are islamic militants and so they're v

and nato it would be an absolute catastrophe for the united states and nato to send ground forces into tripoli. if you have any hope if nato has any hope that this is going to succeed we have got to step back and let the libyan people do this themselves they hate outsiders above all they hate nato they're very angry believe me when you say. the ordinary conventional wisdom would be that the rebels have used nato to for their support so who do you mean when you say i mean the ordinary people of libya who have been bombed for months. there have been human beings on the receiving end of those bombs and nato cannot now go in and pretend that it's the good guys they are all nato governments britain france and italy are always going to be remembered for the damage they have caused to this country and they're not going to tolerate they're not going to be appreciated in the future already so then what does this mean for oil because libya is looked to for one point six million barrels of oil a day which is gone offline during the six month conflict and you already have the italian foreign minis

nato has done all the heavy work this is a nato war make no mistake this is a nato war they heavily bombed cities west of here they bombed all night without even ten seconds of stopping they bombed this entire city nato landed the. insurgents on to the coast of tripoli they have no respect for the international press i was putting up a sign on the hotel on top of the hotel i took the initiative to downright press and snipers shot at me i was told right now i can't confirm it but i was told and a lot of the libyans the people i'm not seeing in green square in other parts of the city not arms and ready to fight to defend this nation i don't know how to play out but it was a huge ecological war here. the war effort the media has been literally involved here this war is not about colonel gadhafi colonel gadhafi is just the pretext for this war this war has nothing to do you know gadhafi has any money from the people a key player in the military campaign against the libyan regime washington has claimed the rule of gadhafi is coming to an end the u.s. is reported to be in close contact with rebe

may be in talks with south africa about a possible escape route despite denials from both sides and nato insists it will continue combat air patrols until the government forces surrender not have chaos in the capital crowds are being seen in tripoli's central square waving revolution the flags. or journalist mahdi another row who is in a hotel in tripoli where the foreign press have been obliged to stay during the conflict is afraid for his safety and he says he's been threatened. the situation has gotten more tense more members of the previous hotel staff and security. the media group who is responsible for a ship returned going so obviously because they were fighting volunteers not curious he returned from the fighting. is not a picture of loss in the cockpit and i believe. i can go for it we're going to use . this possibility acting on it for me great now. tell. us c n n for example you know. we did this. threat in my eyes. it's time except it will be censorship to. the. conflicts in what the western media the us are seeing soon in journey we speak don't they i believe they contacted

nato is bonding to places. where you actually got failed or do we got to shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels and so in the street. well there are reports of gunfire near the libya tunisia border at the moment and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the fierce fighting between pro and anti get out the force is not a correspondent and he is at the border with the latest. there has been rather intense fighting reported with cindy through kentucky and rebel forces about just incomers from the border with tunisia into as a child has become much the border between libya and tunisia have been in sort of a degree is a plate over the past five months people have been trying to escape to leave because they have found out of syria just like you know what's going on you know to control it especially now with the libyan forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli i found to get even more confusing now people who president every

nato is bombing the places. that we. because we believe to shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels and of industry. there are reports of gunfire near the libya tunisia border at the moment and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the fierce fighting between pro and and economic forces not a correspond as is the border with the latest. there has been rather intense fighting in prison simply to the end rebel forces just in from or from the border with tunisia in which out of the march before their average in libya until we have been in sort of a degree is a plate over the past five months people have been drinking people either because they have very good like what's going on you know if it's introduced actually now with these forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli . sound to get even more confusing now people who murdered every site near the border on the eastern side say that over the past couple of weeks here we have to cla

tend to nato. in this particular particular case was. very likely then friends of the going to benefit from. news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sparking an immediate drop in oil prices and last say now the most important question is just how much stability the new government will bring or tease her for it has the latest what we thing really is a knee jerk reaction in the oil markets to the events in tripoli we stay in the oil prices you say talking almost three dollars in festus thinking that there are some hopes so oil production kids very shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the italian oil company any has sent workers back into libya they've led the way really sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such as the b.p. have actually passing the fence at the moment they're waiting for exactly how this plays out what's going to happen over the coming days and weeks all we've heard from the information editor of the libyan

says but why is that and why do so many people believe what nato says. well it's typical of these certain countries that are in need of member states are waging a war. of interfering into a civil war into a country far away from need it was. control you know days we can we can see that france and britain and americans are deeply involved in the conflict but need nato as an organization is not involved officially well that is a typical. military propaganda scheme. how possible is it do you think that resolution one nine hundred seventy three scenario could be repeated say in syria with the violence that we're seeing there. with regard to. the one nine hundred seventy three resolution it was. used here is that you income by needle so to say i think that needle might be deliberately demonstrating its this regard for the u.n. security council to demonstrate that nato is equal to the united nations nobody's going to be getting even more significant again and you're hopeful in the future as far as syria is concerned i think that there will be no military opera

is a nato operation nato has bombed the means here nato has bombed the hospitals here nato has bomb why would nato bomb checkpoints guarding this city these checkpoints aren't a threat to any civilians here they're here for security and nato is bombing them in fact the reports you are giving the locations of the checkpoints when the reporters here went they gave the locations of the checkpoints to satellite radios to nato they directly need at least once with nato headquarters and military officials and the next night the checkpoints were attacked that very night the checkpoints were attacked by both nato and the insurgents so yes the media here is part of the war machine all right and thank you very much that was the mahdi. who is in tripoli for us right now we'll keep you up to date as more information becomes available. also in the middle east in syria there are reports of dozens of new deaths during the latest spat of anti-government protests despite president assad's claims that army operations against civilians had ended international pressure on the syrian leader is mounting

will we therefore see nato continue. its military mission is due to expire in september what are your thoughts about the nato occupation further on or its involvement i should say. my thoughts are listening to general rasmussen the commanding general of nato is just riding cowboy also on this invasion because he finally thinks he has a winner after losing in afghanistan and iraq he thinks they told can get into war and war contractor business quite well by continuing in libya and he showed dictate western global management decisions like france and germany and the u.k. as the military arm he is so police there. he has no designs i want to believe it's because he thinks right now he's riding high on western opinion and doing corporate press and western leadership houses like the white house where like ten downing street it's very interesting to hear your perspective on all of this thanks for your time and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this matter and. thank you for asking. it's no secret that joining us now live in

maybe in talks with south africa about a possible escape route despite denials from both sides and nato insists it will continue combat air patrols until all government forces surrender following a night of chaos in the capital crowds have you seen in tripoli central square waving a revolutionary flags journalist mahdi who is in the hotel in tripoli where the foreign press had been obliged to stage or in the conflict is afraid for his safety and says he's been threatened. the situation's gone more tense more members of the previous hotel staff and security. the media group that was responsible for us have returned with guns obviously because they were fighting these are volunteers and our soldiers they returned with news from the fighting and that picture they have given us is not a picture of loss and they were very confident and i believe i'm sorry to say i couldn't go further one of them worse might have been killed this possibility acting on it for me right now because there are sniper some i would tell. believe being given messages by. us c.n.n. for example want to continue right h

also underscoring the message that nato is responsible and that it is nato and the world powers that be that need to leave libya alone. he says allow he to continue to lead his country as he has for more than 40 years now. we heard from his spokesperson earlier that said 1,300 people have been killed in the last 12 hours alone and a plea coming from that spokesperson saying that it would be up to nato to perhaps suspend operations but if that does not take place, he warned that libya is still very resistant and resilient with thousands of fighters with nothing to do but fight. when we get that translation for more that moammar gadhafi may be speaking of, we'll try to bring that to you as soon as possible. this other bit of information coming in as it relates to all that's taking place there with the gun battles intensifying in the capital city of tripoli. a council head said that saif al-islam has been captured. we'll continue to follow the developments there from libya. we'll have much more after this. 'cause without the fans, there'd be no nascar. just like if it weren't for custom

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy work the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting khadafi have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution i'll leave you to come september and september it is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires when you look at the footage coming from believe the it very much reminds. of a cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many levy unst who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. reporting there france germany and italy are dan calling on khadafi to officially step down in the face of the rebel storming of tripoli there are fears of more bloodshed and rumors france may us

only obstacle to this brutal bloodbath in tripoli how can you say is is nato and the minute that nato leaves this country i mean it is bloodshed will and the rebels admitted at the beginning of the crisis that without the support of nato they would have collapse within two days and this morning we had. a press conference with the heads of the indian intelligence abdullah senussi who choose to the west. which to be in government of course has been saying all along and this has been vindicated a number of times during this crisis most recently in al-jazeera interview with. the who is a well known al qaeda terrorist who was speaking on behalf of the rebels in libya so now we have a situation whereby. leaving nato on the ground in libya they are the ground forces they are poorly made and telling them where to bomb and here in tripoli every time that the rebels conduct threat from the masses the masses in tripoli and the libyan army nato bombs as abraham says anything that moves so really the time may well overdue for a cease fire and for negotiations that we've seen thousand three hundred

this is a nato operation nato has gone the means here nato has gone the hospitals here they don't why would nato bombed the checkpoints guarding the city these checkpoints aren't a threat to any civilians here they're here for security and need of bombing in fact the reporters here are giving the locations of the checkpoints and the reporters here when we did. go cations at the checkpoints satellite radios to nato directly nearly a silence with nato headquarters and military officials and the next night the checkpoints were attacked that very night the checkpoints were attacked by both nato and the insurgents so yes the media you're part of war machine right and thank you very much that was more riaa who is in tripoli for us right now we'll keep you up to date as more information becomes available also in the middle east in syria there are reports of dozens of new deaths during the latest spat of anti-government protests that's despite president assad's claims that army operations against civilians had ended international pressure on the syrian leader is mounting despite moscow's refu

arrested according to the libyan government one thousand three hundred people have been killed since the nato backed onslaught on tripoli started on sunday. and suggestions of ceasefire egypt has reportedly managed to convince both gaza and israel to lay down arms after days of heavy shelling. and other stories that have shaped the past week the crackdown against english rioters gains momentum with harsh sentences handed to those who played only minor parts in the chaos as human rights groups say judges and politicians have gone too far. and e.u. leaders promise of a single economic government fails to reassure anxious investors as fresh trouble over greece once again threatens stability. and. it is seven o'clock here in moscow the russian capital it is five o'clock in tripoli where you will find breaking news let's get right to that reports say rebel forces have reached to the center of the capital and are in control of ninety percent of tripoli the head of libyan leader moammar gadhafi is personal security forces reported to have disarmed his unit and surrendered the international criminal

that be the recent journalists who are nato countries have made a lot of their own civilians but only nationals in tripoli were well here's your chance where's the threat coming from from the rebels or from the gadhafi loyalists just briefly i think the threat more is coming from the rebels really because these are western germans had been based at the rixos hotel for many many months under the regime we'll leave it there so we've got time for freelance journalists to come chandan joining us live there in brussels thanks for your time. well the question again at his whereabouts is yet to be answered and i spoke to dr director of the german institute based in berlin who thinks the embattled leader is not likely to run away. if you're in the rebels were in a situation to advance from as here to the compound in which gadhafi might still be i mean he would be there in the bunkers in the underground bunkers and not not on the surface. during the last hours sleep in the rebels have advanced somewhat part of the city that a self western part of tripoli's and i think we said that up to twenty

has done all the heavy work this is a nato war make no mistake this is a nato war they heavily bombed cities west of here they bombed all night without even ten seconds of stopping they bombed this entire city nato landed the. insurgents on to the coast of tripoli they have no respect for the international press i was putting up a sign on the hotel on top of the hotel i took the initiative to downright press and snipers shot at me i was told right now i can't confirm it but i was told and a lot of the libyans that people are amassing in green square in other parts of the city not arms and ready to fight to defend this nation i don't know how to play out that it was a shooting to ecological war here that it hurt the war effort the media has been there liberally involved here this war is not about colonel gadhafi colonel gadhafi is just the pretext for this war this war has nothing to do with colonel gadhafi has to do with stealing money from the people. switching to another angle now nato secretary general anders fogh rasmussen has released a statement on the situation in tripoli sayin

nails done all that you are bombings here absolutely nato and the leaders of the nato states have to be held accountable as war criminals they've killed civilians in roping that we will be safely taken out by an international contingent from the united nations not from nato the british are talking about evacuating this place only for five nationals. only for five if they are not the rest of us. that was medina talked to earlier and now the white house has hailed what it called a tipping point for the regime of colonel gadhafi but amid the positive sentiments perils have already been drawn to egyptian celebrations on tahrir square and the disillusionment that later followed are just going to shift our reports from washington d.c. . president obama spoke earlier this sunday night saying tripoli is slipping from the grasp of a thai randel so that must relinquish power once and for all nato secretary general has made a statement of similar in fact saying that could be regime is crumbling and that now the libyans have a chance for a new beginning he also said that the transition must come

people then turn to at nato to decide what to do. i will look for a collaborative approach with nato. >> the un is likely to take on a leading role in libya. >> a dramatic turn of events in libya was made possible in large part with the negotiations with leaders backed dave access to the capital. libya is a tribal society. we take a look now at some of the challenges and that you could face in a post-gaddafi world. >> the council is likely to play a major role in the parse gaddafi area -- era. one of the most pressing tasks will be to prevent the outbreak. there are 140 tribes in libya. they can be divided into four groups. in the north are arabs. in the southeast, the nomadic group. in april, most of the larger tribes said that they no longer supported gaddafi. there are still groups that remain loyal to the libyan leader and say they are prepared to die for him. the question is, how can these gaddafi loyalists be integrated into inouye libya and how can they be kept from inflecting vengeance, especially after their heavy losses. he

that nato has shown patience. that the united states has supported nato. and that over a period of about five months, that the allied coalition has been able to maintain pressure on gadhafi. close off his eastern, western and now i guess his southern escape routes and he has no choice but to flee. >> heather: we have reports that -- not confirmed by fox coming about from the bbc world service. that gadhafi is in algeria. >> that's right. again it goes back to ground troops. all the propaganda and all the colonel gadhafi rhetoric has fallen aside. the fact that his capital has been besieged, penetrated, the egg has been cracked and he has no choice but to three. >> heather: what do you think will happen -- happen next in terms of rebels taking control? >> that is critical. the bottom line is i don't know. as we've seen in iraq, and other places, the key now is to translate military success into long term sustaining governance. so far we have no idea how well this will go. this is not like iraq, not like afghanistan this is completely different. and unique s

and by nato that you know. because in brussels the you were representatives have said that as the united states seems to be taking a back seat in these negotiations they see an opportunity to fill that vacuum. the hard work lies ahead and the divisions between the rebel factions means that it will be a difficult time because when there was a single enemy it was very easy for various factions some with very different interests to hold together and now there are fears this may collapse and there may be a power vacuum fronts in fact claimed that. libya is over now defense experts here in the european union all concerned by such statements because with the absence of gadhafi in any sort of real power structure there are concerns that there could be an even more bloody civil war emerging the very unorganized nature of the rebellion has allowed many different interests to join nato. and has called on a good effort to end his career of violence as he put it he said the world is watching that i did was just to predict

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy worth the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting saddam you have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention building lot of all those violations it was very unlikely that the wiser through the council would have adopted yet another resolution on libya come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires from what we hear on the ground in tripoli the rebels and nato forces have met the deadline when you look at the footage coming from tripoli it very much reminds of. cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over the. shows are still struggling to make their voice heard and many levy unst who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. and shouted warning there from washington d.c. well california based political scientist dr michael parenti says protecting

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy were the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting khadafi have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution or levy a come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires when you look at the footage coming from believe it very much reminds of. cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. reporting there from washington california based political scientist dr michael brand he says protecting civilians was just a pretext for nato to step into libya topple gadhafi and resurrect the country's economy. expect t

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy worth the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of our staying could dump you have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention fully in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution on libya come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires from what we hear on the ground in tripoli the rebels and nato forces have met the deadline when you look at the footage coming from tripoli it very much reminds of. we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and the army took over there. are still struggling to make their voice heard and many levy who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. reporting there from washington d.c. will california based political scientists dr michael brandy says protecting civilians was just a pretext fo

no the nato nato has not achieved anything in fact nato is actually submitted to the probe no the african goes you are just going to have to interrupt i'm asking about the effort on the union. i'm trying to respond to both your questions the first one is that nato nato has not achieved anything even if they are to remove gadhafi and his government at the moment what we are going to have is. forms of political instability and further breakage of the civil war in libya and in terms of your other question a you say you has shown to have the capacity and the political will to intervene on a number of african conflicts in the continent there isn't one has been the sudan sudan conflict as you know there are still outstanding matters but largely the conflict has been resolved there's also been. the conflict there's also. of. conflict in two thousand and three and many others like goonda and so forth so really this propaganda which is misleading the whole. a you is incapable of intervening in african affairs is actually a lie and it must be exposed for what it is well let's look at the future and

so all right stephen let me ask you then you talk about nato if nato has what appeared to be instrumental in what could well be the final moments of gadhafi in the collapse of its regime haven't hasn't nato's actions been justified vindicated in that the people's wishes in libya could well be achieved in the next few hours indeed in the next couple days we don't know when but it could well be achieved bill the latest report i saw the latest poll numbers i saw with eighty five percent. support capacity they may go they were vile the so-called rebels they're not rebels the mercenaries they were recruited these thieves were but it's a mixed group for all kyra just ordinary people most of them imported into the country eight most of them i suspect kids who were never offered as much money if they want to come in and if i had a bad regime nato very little of. the rebels of pain now that being led by the end to see the national transitional council which is being recognized even deeper egypt to many other countries now isn't that an indication that this is the wish of the country in those rebel

no no no the nato nato has not achieved anything in certain nato is actually the probe no the african goes you are just going to have sorry to interrupt and ask you about the africa on that union. i'm i'm trying to respond to both your questions the first one is that nato nato has not achieved anything even if they are to remove gadhafi and his government at the moment what we are going to have is it clearly forms of political instability and. also the civil war in libya and in terms of your. the question ok you say you has shown to have the capacity and the political will to intervene on a number of african conflicts in the continent the recent one has been the sudan sudan conflict as you know there are still outstanding matters but largely the conflict has been resolved there's also been a solution of the conflict there's also. of the ivorian. in two thousand and three and many others like buendia and so forth so really this propaganda which is misleading the whole. a you is incapable of intervening in african affairs is actually a lie and it must be exposed for what it is but let's

is nato and the minute that nato leaves this country i mean it is bloodshed well and the rebels admitted at the beginning of the crisis that without the support of nato they would have collapsed within two days and this morning we had. a press conference with the heads of the intelligence analysts and you see. the west. working with al qaeda which would be in government of course has been saying all along that this has been vindicated a number of times during this crisis most recently by an al jazeera interview. where the who is a well known. terrorist who was speaking on behalf of the rebels in libya so now we have a situation whereby al-qaeda is leaving made so on the ground in libya they are ground force they are poorly made and telling them where to buy and here in tripoli every time that the rebels and the threat from the masses masses in tripoli and the libyan army nato. says anything that moves so really tiny well overdue for a cease fire and for negotiations that we've seen thousand three hundred people killed in the past twelve hours alone this is almost equal to. which was mass

we are going to talk about nato and libya and the role of nato. for you and i and our audience, we thought we would begin by getting an update on what the situation is. kareem fahim is a reporter for "the new york times." tell us about the situation in tripoli and libya. guest: thank you for having me. parts of the fighting at calmed down. there was intense fighting for several days. the streets are fairly quiet and they are cleaning up after the battle. there is still fighting around the airport roads, fights continuing near colonel gaddafi's home town. we have seen reports that nato has started bombing gaddafi positions in and around sirte. the rebels have been trying to advance on sirte from the east and west of the last few days. they have been having trouble on the eastern side. we're interested to see what happens to there after the nato bombing. host: i heard a news report that the united nations is calling for both sides to avoid committing any atrocities in the heat of this battle. have you been hearing reports of the civilian atrocities

as nato -- has nato categorically ruled out that option? secondly, nato nations are debating today and later on will rule on a mandate -- you foresee aftered for, combat air september? >> i will only comment on the first part. keep in mind that the institution and a greater tripoli is very -- the situation in british tripoli is very complex. we're talking about urban -- the situation in a greater tripoli is very complex. we are talking about urban fighting. lookwe're doing is more to at -- i cannot go into the details, but essentially, we're looking at what is going on on the ground, and what we could identify as the threat to the civilian population. it might not be on the frontlines. it might be in the approaches of tripoli, if there is movement. if we identify the command and control node from where there is orders or directions to conduct attacks. yes, we can be active in tripoli, we do not provide support to anti-gaddafi forces. >> on your second question, this mission is not over, the mandate stands, nato remains vigilant. nato extend

was human rights and wrong nato pushes its way into libyan affairs but doesn't really have the best intentions at heart. and come to syria never mind all those nasty rumors about the country being in turmoil everything is just fine well we'll take you inside the p.r. battle brewing. it's tuesday august twenty third eight pm in washington d.c. and christine for you're watching r.t. . well it's beginning to look a lot like egypt dramatic pictures of people celebrating in the streets in libya a rebel flag even hung in the compound of moammar gadhafi talk about long time dictator following a victory and of the start of a new era asperger duffey himself there are reports that he has vowed martyrdom or victory in his fight against nato but many in the streets of tripoli tonight are already calling today b. and of the gadhafi regime there is hugging and partying as we speak but when the celebration and jubilation ends what happens next are you correspondent i wanted to come take a look. the regime is crumbling. the media and rebels are cheering. same cheers and tears could be seen in a just in februa

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy work the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting khadafi have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution on libya come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires when you look at the footage coming from believe it very much reminds of. the cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many levy who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community. he's going to try to put it right there well for some reaction from russia but i joined a life i caught in cos i chopped the chairman of the committee for foreign affairs in the state duma good to see you today so heav

nato has been involved in a lengthy. killed thousands of people now in libya on the grounds that they were protecting civilians actually they were there to achieve regime change they obviously look like they're going to achieve that but we have to remember we've been here before we before with after the start been there before with iraq and i think the lesson from both of those and that surely the message that is even coming from many of the rebels in tripoli and elsewhere in libya is that they don't want nato there any more they don't want western troops on the ground and they want to run their own country and i think it would be very foolish for david cameron or anybody else to believe this really vindicates their foreign policy in terms of the war on terror but one of his sons made a surprise appearance despite the rebels claiming he was captured for almost two days there was saying they are in control and that also turned out to be untrue does that ring the alarm bells for you concerning the credibility of this and h

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy work the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting khadafi have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution or leave it to come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires so what we hear on the ground in tripoli the rebels and nato forces have met the deadline when you look at the footage coming from believe it very much reminds of. cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many libyans too who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. ganesh you can report here from washington california based political scientist dr michael parenti says protecting

that would be most of the advantage of nato if indeed there is continued k. also really have to do civil war in libya the nato would have the need as you were saying to establish more of a presence in the region perhaps then to the if a job securing the mineral wealth of libya as we know some of the major oil play is a european or players already stake in their claims to parts of libya's rejoice fields. you know the real challenge here you're talking about the nato forces i think first of all what this intervention showed to me is nato has capabilities are incredibly stretched and the european component of nato expose itself is not particularly capable as it should be so i hope the situation doesn't deteriorate because the only force in the world military force capable of projecting the logistical strength and the force is the united states and the united states does not need to be front and center in this situation so i think the nato alliance is in a very precarious spot right now where as we know with president barack obama he is trying to tread very caref

and nato is that packing the heart of a peaceful civilian city. army that it's taken. positions. here. again. no political project no real dream for libya what they want right now is revenge. political analyst mahdi nasm royer who's in tripoli says nato is the major player in your side of. they specifically targeting the areas where international journalists are dependent their need or has done all the heavy work this is a nato war make no mistake this is a major war they heavily bombed cities west of here they bombed the night without even ten seconds of stuff they bombed this entire city knaidel landed the insurgents on to the coast of tripoli they have no respect for the international press i was putting up a sign on the hotel on top of the hotel i took the initiative to use and rape red and snipers shot at me i was told right now i can't confirm it but i was told and a lot of the living and the people in green square and other parts of the city arms and ready to fight to defend this nation i don't know how to play out it was a huge ecological

outside knots yesterday and i'm able so i will so that there's been intense nato bombing of the city. so clearly you know there's been a lot of bloodshed some nights the last that the last time we had which is a few hours ago i think death toll for the day it was one thousand three hundred so surety has risen above that and nato has or hasn't gotten his hands today so all i can say is i definitely would not underestimate the libyan army they do have in my supplies we have seen we should be very invention and about but the thing i mean hearing and i got the rebels say as we know they have made many claims throughout the duration of this crisis this which had been prevented the folds. journalist. who is also in. the situation on the ground is very dangerous and that they are surrounded by a rebel government. if there are so snipers around the world tell me should i do this i was actually shot and so on the sign saying this is you to write a story when an attack us you know. like skeet you were really crazy they make the slaughter too so i just thought this. would make it sound like that

that that's exactly what nato wanted to happen in. this war is fundamentally a war to maintain africa in a subordinate position in the global economy in twenty ten get there we made a proposal to the african union that was adopted that no african country would allow us based on its soil since that time the u.s. has been desperate to get rid of gadhafi when we talk about the rebels that this is a very disparate group of people really who's calling the shots is nato few leaders that we hear about matthew jabril. these are people who have stablished links with western financial institutions are going back over several years so really when we hear these. people bad mouth pieces of nato over a place the libyan state with the same as what's replaced the state in iraq and afghanistan which is a dysfunctional government complete lack of security gang warfare and civil war and this is not a mistake for nato they would prefer to see failed states and states that are powerful and independent and able to challenge their germany and those who are

and as we know with this going to nato has done the heavy work the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting could have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution or levy a come september and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires so what we hear on the ground in tripoli the rebels and nato forces have met the deadline when you look at the footage coming from believe the it very much reminds of. the cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many leave the unst who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. kind of chicago reporting there from washington because forty of base political scientists dr michael parenti s

as you just under a month ago about his resistance against nato is defending syria and iran as well you talk of gadhafi what a fate awaits him and indeed who should determine that fate this is this is this has been such i mean the gross illegality of what's going on in relation to libya by nato is unbelievable already the libyan guy at the united nations missed the shogun has a has basically admitted in our approach but he pulled people and made this this whole thing has been illegal in a aeration protecting civilians rubbish. just very briefly i just want to ask you that you're back in brussels now and you've just recently left tripoli and i know that you've got some colleagues some journalists who you do know they're trapped in the hotel the rixos hotel which has been mentioned many times that's where the international media are at the moment are you concerned for their safety. or so and anyone would be concerned for their safety especially their close friends and family but these are international journalists these are professional journalists and they have to be respected as. so

and as we know at this point nato has done the heavy were the means by which nato has been accomplishing the goal of ousting khadafi have seen many violations of the u.n. resolution from six months ago that authorized the military intervention fully in light of all those violations it was very unlikely that the u.n. security council would have adopted yet another resolution on the levy a constant temperature and september is when the previous resolution runs out so it was crucial for the rebels and for nato to carry out the operation before the resolution expires when you look at the footage coming from believe you very much reminds of the cheering that we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted and then the army took over there and the egyptians are still struggling to make their voice heard and many levy unst who are afraid that their voices could be ignored by the international community now. he's going to travel with him right there will for some reaction from russia when i joined a life i caught up in cause of the chairman of the committee for foreign affairs in the state duma go