it is the catholic university. the question are they reasonably accommodating to people. >> i'm going to saudi arabia tomorrow. i'm going to walk into a mosque and say can i have a private room to put up a picture of jesus and a cross. will that work out for me in any muslim country? >> not too good. >> we're having a conversation about america. don't get it twisted. >> let's have a conversation about the constitution of the united states. there is no requirement in the constitution that compel a catholic university or any institution, for that matter, to change its doctrines, its practices or it's procedures and beliefs to accommodate a student of another faith. that would be like telling you shiba university in new york that might admit students from a variety of faiths that hey, we want you to take down the star of david on the doorway because we're offended by it during our prayer time. you know what the answer to that is? tough luck. don't go to school there. there's nothing in the constitution or in human rig

one professor who is not affiliated with catholic university believes it is well, too catholic. he takes issues with crosses and catholic sim being hung in rooms and no space for muslims to work without christian symbols. they issued a statement that needs pat parted. the fact that no muslim student at catholic university has protested or registered a complaint with the university -- >>> today we learned from another article that he has not received any complaints from muslim students. joining me now is the man stirring up the controversy, john banzhaf. >> if i have to correct your introduction, it charges the president of catholic university with discriminating on the basis of religion for refusing to recognize a muslim organization. much has been added to the allegations and i quoted an article suggesting that he lied about the reason and most of what you read simply comes from a "washington post" article designed to show that he is not acting in good faith. since you brought it up, what is wrong with asking to set aside one tiny little room so the hundred or so muslim student

this is a private catholic university. forget it. they can do what they want. >> bob: what is wrong with a room some place -- >> greg: they're not asking for it. >> bob: if they were asking for it, could you find a room without a catholic symbol in it? >> dana: not at catholic university. >> bob: if they don't have them, they don't have them, i guess. >> dana: in the muslim religion, they recognize jesus and they recognize -- [ inaudible ] but i don't understand what the problem is. >> bob: recognize he was crucifyed but there is a big distinction. >> greg: the muslim students say they enjoy going to catholic university. they have no, they've got no problems with the crucifix. this is all from -- they should sue the lawyer. >> bob: is the lawyer a muslim? dabs i don't know. >> kimberly: formal complaint is a violation of human rights. not just civil rights or a religious infringement right violation. they have no standing. >> eric: anything to do with it being a university this why can't the lawyer do what i said? >> dana: probably w

university a catholic university, it is a private university. it is a private school. it is not a public school. and so the professor has filed this complaint. will they wind up with what they want? stay tuned. we'll keep you posted. >> now, to your headlines for a friday, the defense wrapping up its case in the manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray. it's coming down to a battle now of propofol experts. that's the powerful antistetic that killed michael jackson. his testimony continues today. >> the tea parties in richmond, virginia, now demanding a huge refund from the city of richmond. they say richmond charged them 10 grand for three rallies at one of the local plazas. but that occupy wall street protesters weren't paying a dime so the tea party had to pay a lot. occupy wall street didn't pay anything. tea party says they paid for permits, portable toilets, police presence and emergency services. they also had to buy a $1 million insurance policy all things that occupy wall street did not have to do. >> bernie madoff speaking about his ponz

this is a private catholic university. forget it. they can do what they want. >> bob: what is wrong with a room some place -- >> greg: they're not asking for it. >> bob: if they were asking for it, could you find a room without a catholic symbol in it? >> dana: not at catholic university. >> bob: if they don't have them, they don't have them, i guess. >> dana: in the muslim religion, they recognize jesus and they recognize -- [ inaudible ] but i don't understand what the problem is. >> bob: recognize he was crucifyed but there is a big distinction. >> greg: the muslim students say they enjoy going to catholic university. they have no, they've got no problems with the crucifix. this is all from -- they should sue the lawyer. >> bob: is the lawyer a muslim? dabs i don't know. >> kimberly: formal complaint is a violation of human rights. not just civil rights or a religious infringement right violation. they have no standing. >> eric: anything to do with it being a university this why can't the lawyer do what i said? >> dana: probably w

this is a private catholic university. forget it. they can do what they want. >> bob: what is wrong with a room some place -- >> greg: they're not asking for it. >> bob: if they were asking for it, could you find a room without a catholic symbol in it? >> dana: not at catholic university. >> bob: if they don't have them, they don't have them, i guess. >> dana: in the muslim religion, they recognize jesus and they recognize -- [ inaudible ] but i don't understand what the problem is. >> bob: recognize he was crucifyed but there is a big distinction. >> greg: the muslim students say they enjoy going to catholic university. they have no, they've got no problems with the crucifix. this is all from -- they should sue the lawyer. >> bob: is the lawyer a muslim? dabs i don't know. >> kimberly: formal complaint is a violation of human rights. not just civil rights or a religious infringement right violation. they have no standing. >> eric: anything to do with it being a university this why can't the lawyer do what i said? >> dana: probably w

this is a private catholic university. forget it. they can do what they want. >> bob: what is wrong with a room some place -- >> greg: they're not asking for it. >> bob: if they were asking for it, could you find a room without a catholic symbol in it? >> dana: not at catholic university. >> bob: if they don't have them, they don't have them, i guess. >> dana: in the muslim religion, they recognize jesus and they recognize -- [ inaudible ] but i don't understand what the problem is. >> bob: recognize h h was crucifyed but there is a big distinction. >> greg: the muslim students say they enjoy going to catholic university. they have no, they've got no problems with the crucifix. this is all from -- they should sue the lawyer. >> bob: is the lawyer a muslim? dabs i don't know. >> kimberly: formal complaint is a violation of human rights. not just civil rights or a religious infringement right violation. they have no standing. >> eric: anything to do with it being a university this why can't the lawyer do what i said? >> dana: probably

. >> coming up, catholic university under fire a. a group of students say their rights are being violated as the cath like school finds themselves in an argument over lemmion. >> and still chasing a few showers -- over religion. >>> and still chasing's few showers. the temperatures will drop. wait until you hear what we have in the weekend forecast? i'll have details.  >> catholic university under investigation-for-allegedly violate -- investigation for allegedly violating the rights of muslim students. muslim students have to pray in rooms adorned with catholic symbols. the outhas not allowed muslim students to form their own student group on campus. so far no comment from the university. >>> and blackberry is getting sued. users in the united states and canada filed a lawsuit against research in motion saying the company's outage earlier this month disrupted lives and left people without e-mail, instant messaging and bruising capabilities. -- browsing capabilities. the suit said the company breached his contract. so fa

. >>> catholic university is facing a legal battle over its alleged treatment of muslim students. we're going one on one with the man behind the case plus what the university is saying. >>> thousands line up for this morning's marine corps marathon. we have caught with the top finishers and those who were just happy to complete the race.  >>> you're watching fox 5 news at 10:00. >>> average folks like you and me ran alongside u.s. service members for the annual marine corps marathon. it is the fifth largest marathon in the country, the ninth largest in the world. fox 5's lauren demarco headed out to the finish line. >> reporter: more than 20,000 people from across the country and around the world hit the pavement for the 36th annual marine corps marathon. 27-year-old lieutenant chad ware of indiana was the first to cross the finish line in two hours 19 minutes. >> feeling good through the early hills, just stuck with the lead pack. >> reporter: the women's division was won by a woman from turkey. it's known as the people's marathon. there's no prize money

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jon: well, the president's health care law is facing a new challenge, this time from 18 catholic universities. under that law, the school's health care plans must cover birth control, but the colleges argue that goes against their church doctrine and it's forcing them to make difficult decisions. shannon bream keeps an eye on these things, she's live from washington. >> reporter: jon, a number of catholic universities say regulations stemming from the health care law could put them in a terrible position, either offer health care plans that offer contracept tiffs which stands in direct conflict with the tenets of the catholic faith or stop offering health insurance all together. one of the letters to the administration comes from the president of notre dame who says despite pushback from some he welcomes the president to speak on campus in 2009 hoping they could discuss differing view points on issues of life. here's what the president said back then. >> let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion and draft a sensible conscience clause and make sure all health care polices

catholic university. those doctrines still stand. the problem with the -- this categorical exception is it sweeps in cases like this one, where the well-pleaded complaint in this case simply says, i was dismissed from my employment because i said i was going to make a report to the eeoc. seekings not reinstatement. she just wants the economic loss. there's no need -- justice alito: let me just come back to the example of the canon law professor, because i still don't see how the -- the approach that the solicitor general is recognizing -- is recommending could -- can eliminate the problems involved in pretext. so, the -- as i understood her -- her answer, it was that you couldn't look into the question of whether the professor's canon law scholarship was really good canon law scholarship, but you could try the issue of sex discrimination based on other evidence. so, maybe there's some stray remarks here and there about a woman teaching canon law. now, a response to that might be that wasn't the real reason, and if you just look at th

. >> a group of catholic universities sign on to letter for the obama administration saying the schools are concerned about the agency regulation stemming from the healthcare law which could force university to cover the cost of contraceptive in health insurance plan in conflict with the catholic faith. >> the policies set by agency not elected by the people, force on institution that cannot as a matter of conscious provide it. >> the school says it could force them to drop insurance altogether. the president of the university of notre dame, reverend john jenkins sent his own letter where he acknowledged taking heat for allowing them to speak on campus in 2009 and hope to foster a discussion on issue of life. >> conscience of those who disagree with abortion and draft a sensible conscious clause. >> jenkins says the administration is failing to protect pro-life interest in part by crafting the definition of religious employer too narrowly. "notre dame" and nearly all catholic colleges and universities would not be considered religious employers. may i suggest this is not the sensible ap

. >> a group of muslim students at catholic university in washington, d.c. are suing the school because they say their human rights were violated. the muslim students want a separate room for their daily prayer that do not have christian symbols. but is this a case of freedom of religion or just more political correctness gone wrong? with us now is a gold star mother whose son, first li lieutenant gave the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms while serving in afghanistan. i'm honored to have her with us this morning. good morning, how are you? >> good morning. >> i heard about this story as well. and it seemed that catholic university was one of the most welcoming universities in the united states for muslim students. >> that's right. >> now we have a lawyer that's weighted into it and saying crosses should be taken out of the classrooms so muslim students can celebrate their religion. what do you say as a gold star mother and why do you say it? >> my son died defending our freedoms and protecting our way of life and perpetuating our ideals. joey was incredib

and i will shamelessly plug the catholic university field hockey team, my wife is the coach. took out the number one ranked team in the country last night. they are 13-1 on the year. congratulations to my wife. i love her, and i'm proud of her. and congrats, girls. well done. go, cardinals. >> that is cool. >> that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." never fear, chuck todd will be back tomorrow. he'll see you bright and early from seattle, reid wilson's hometown. >>> coming up next on msnbc, chris januasing and company. and then at 1:00 p.m., be sure not to miss drich reports. you earn free days, free weeks and more fast. that's a plus. upgrade your ride. that's a plus. rewards with no blackout dates so you can redeem anytime. and it's easy to redeem your points online. already a gold member ? just select gold plus rewards in your profile and start rewarding yourself now. just go to hertzgoldplusrewards.com to join. hertz gold plus rewards. journey on. it's this... etrade's pro platform. designed bottom up? integrated top down. customizable. well, duh. no compromise

catholic university. those doctrines still stand. the problem with this categorical exception is it sweeps in if cases like this one where the well-pleaded complain ant in this case simply says i was dismissed from my employment because i said i was going to make a report to the oh, eeoc, d she's not seeking reinstatement -- >> let's just come back to the example of the canon law professor. i still don't see how the approach that the solicitor general is recognizing, is recommending can eliminate the problems involved in pretext. so the, as i understood her -- >> you can see the remainder of the supreme court oral argument in the c-span video library. go to c-span.org. we are leaving it here to go live to the white house for the arrival ceremony for south korean president lee myung bak. he landed yesterday here in washington and today is the start of his official state visit. he and president obama scheduled to have a joint news conference early this afternoon before the president leaves for capitol hill. he'll be speaking before a j

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if you are at catholic university, guess what, you have catholic indoctrination. if you don't like it, go somewhere else. you don't play in the game you don't make the rules. >>clayton: so the same argument upheld against the all male universities. remember the it citadel, the argument, to get the females into the citadel. >>governor huckabee: there is a question, why can't i run or walk in the susan komen race. there is a reason. why can't i be a girl scout? there 10 reason. >>dave: we can arrange that. >>governor huckabee: we are not going to arrange that. the point of a catholic school or any other school, a presbyterian or baptist or assembly of god school, is because you want to have the opportunity to strengthen your faith. that is why notre dame and other schools exist so there can be a doctrine. it is simple. this south america. if you want a muslim school, start a muslim school. that is where you do this. >>dave: master of the metaphor, check it out 8:00 eastern an interesting perspective. >>governor huckabee: we have toby keith, and joe an -- the origina

it was at carlo university, find masters catholic university where dr. wecht has his office. they exhumed the body. they flew the body from san diego to pittsburgh. the autopsy was completed 90 minutes ago. dr. wecht is informing the family exactly what he found. we don't know what he found. we do know he communicated to family his findings. there are plenty of things in your fine interview with dr. baden yesterday. he pointed out there are many, many aspects of this body that do not seem in sync with a suicide. jenna: like what, for example? >> the blood, if a person, who committed suicide and they were hanging, the blood would be presumably sunken all to the lower parts of extreme, you know when the --. jenna: this is something, she fell a long area. >> the blood was not just concentrated in the lower part of extremities of her body, her legs. it was on her back. there were contusions where, not just the contusions when she was cut down but other parts of her head, four different parts. there was enough forsenically, jenna, that the family thought the second autopsy was cri

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the one true holy catholic and apostolic and universal church, and i forgive you all in the name of the father and the -- >> so bill bennet is trying to use some humor there to lighten the mood. governor romney, when he got up on stage after bill bennet, he said bill bennet hit it out of the park. it was a subtle dig at rick perry, but it was a dig that everybody here at this conference completely understood. later on in his speech, mitt romney had something else to say about a gentleman by the name of brian fisher with the american family association. he's another prominent social conservative who has criticized mormonism and mitt romney said that poisonous language, in his words, does not advance our cause and has never softened a single heart nor changed a single mind. just for a brief few moments, mitt romney talked about his faith. here is what he had to say. >> our heritage of religious faith and sole rans has importantly shaped who we become as a people. we must continue to welcome faith into the public square and allow it to flourish. our government -- our government must respec

. >> i went to dematha catholic high school. i went to hofstra university. >> then to the ravens for a short period of time. >> yeah, it was short but fun i wouldn't take nothing back from it it helped me get into my art >> that is one of the things we have a picture of you there, number 27 what position did you play >> corner back. >> very good. so, but as a kid you knew i mean you were attracted to art even as a kid >> yes, i was around my great grand father, lindy jordan he was an artist a jeweler on weekends i would go over and we would sit and draw i didn't actually like it but i did it because he intimidated me a little bit we had fun with that from there i knew later on i had a chance at it but didn't take it as serious i focus on football. >> right. >> football was the focus. >> when things changed with football, nfl career ended you did playing in other leagues as well. >> yeah. >> that is the period of time you started to grow as an artist. >> when i went to maryland university i graduated in four years but within that

. >>> the university of san francisco, saint mary's college has joined with other catholic institutions to fight a require of the federal afford care act. all health care plans must cover the cost of birth control services. the law allows exceptions for churches but not for public institutions such as collegees. the three bay area catholic collegees are required by state to cover birth control but vow to continue their opposition to both the federal and state policies. >>> in news of the world. in mexico. the army paraded top members of the violent drug cartel before cameras today. one is carlos aleva castillo known as the frog. he ordered the attack on a casino that left 52 people dead. the frog other ands were arrested during a firefight yesterday that lasted for hours. >>> in france, prosecutors today decided not to try strauss-kahn: the statue of limitations expired. >>> in thailand, the worst flooding in decades is threatening bangkok. it stopped work at the honda and toyota plants. rice and other crops have been lost. 300 people have died since the flooding start inside july. >>>

. >>> the university of san francisco, saint mary's college has joined with other catholic institutions to fight a require of the federal afford care act. all health care plans must cover the cost of birth control services. the law allows exceptions for churches but not for public institutions such as collegees. the three bay area catholic collegees are required by state to cover birth control but vow to continue their opposition to both the federal and state policies. >>> in news of the world. in mexico. the army paraded top members of the violent drug cartel before cameras today. one is carlos aleva castillo known as the frog. he ordered the attack on a casino that left 52 people dead. the frog other ands were arrested during a firefight yesterday that lasted for hours. >>> in france, prosecutors today decided not to try strauss-kahn: the statue of limitations expired. >>> in thailand, the worst flooding in decades is threatening bangkok. it stopped work at the honda and toyota plants. rice and other crops have been lost. 300 people have died since the flooding start inside july. >>>

i went to catholic price school in dorchester, a section of boston. -- i went to catholic high school in dorchester, a section of boston. because of my parents, my brothers and i were all blessed to go to harvard university. that is where i went to school. it was intense. i stayed there for law school and have a master's in public policy from there. those are subjects i decided to study because i was interested in public service and public policy issues and government. >> you grew up in the boston area. what made you want to make the transition and moved to san francisco? what motivated you to get involved in politics question marks before i ran for office, and worked in san francisco as a criminal prosecutor and civil rights attorney. i got to understand how much of a be in san francisco is to the rest of the world for social justice. i spent a number of years helping to grow a small business. i got to understand the innovative spirit in san francisco. at night, i volunteered as a neighborhood leader and as feature of an affordable housing organization. i learned so much about the ch

i came back in which university and got my master's degree. supervisor kim: thank you so much. i know we had to do a residency waiver for you. it is get to know you grew up here. thank you for your work with the good samaritan family resource center. we are very lucky to have that organization in san francisco. >> thank you. i really appreciate that. supervisor kim: next we have angus mccarthy. >> thank you, supervisors. chair of the immigration rights commission. i think kathleen would be a great member of the commission. i have worked with her and saw her strong connection to the immigrant community. if i may, i have a statement to read. i will try to keep it brief. thank you for considering my reappointment to the immigrant'' rights commission. this is an important commission, given the city's diversity and the high population of immigrants and limited-english speakers. as a first generation immigrants from ireland, understand the issues and struggles of our immigrants. san francisco is my home, and i want to help make this a good place for all residents, regardless of their

i grew up in the boston area, live in different parts of boston, went to a catholic high school in dorchester, which is a section of boston. because of my parents work and the opportunities they gave me, my brothers and i were all blessed to go to harvard university. it was intense. i stayed there for college, for law school, and i also have a master's in public policy there. those are subjects i decided to study in part because i was very interested in public service and public policy issues and government. i ran for office in part because i wanted to serve the city and really protect all that is so special about what san francisco is. >> we've been talking for years about how important it is to build new neighborhoods, to develop affordable housing, make sure we have transit-oriented sustainable green development that really is worthy of a 21st century san francisco. what we're doing today -- and, frankly, what we're doing this year will have impacts on the city for decades to come. thank you all for being part of this, and i look forward to that mid-cutting. i moved to san francisco 15 yea

every irish catholic family assumed one of the suns would become a priest. donovan realize he was not cut out to be a man of the cloth so he went to columbia university and was a star quarterback his senior year until a cheap tackle from princeton topple him for the rest of the season. he attended columbia law school after columbia university. franklin roosevelt was a law student with him. roosevelt liked to say he and donovan were old pal and law school. donovan said that as a bunch of baloney. roosevelt had nothing to do with someone low on the social strata as donovan. he returned to buffalo and set up a lucrative law practice and married one of the wealthiest women in buffalo and world war i comes. he goes to war and commands a battalion in the 60 ninth irish regiment, famous new york regiment. he was awarded the congressional medal of honor during world war i for very heroic actions. his priest in the 60 ninth regiment said that donovan was one of the few men he ever met who enjoyed combat. and he really did. he would write to his wife that going out on

galileo, another catholic felt he did the math, you could understand the june -- universe. today, there's a real fight between science and religion, but we also have astounding disci's cove ri almost -- discovery almost at the level of copernicus's reversal of the world. the idea that most of the universe consists of something called dark energy. we don't know what it is, but it dwarfs you and me and everything we can see in visible light. we're 4% of the universe. >> i wanted to 1k you also -- ask you also, you were a theater major in college, a writer for the no , "new york times" and you write science books. >> i was a biochemistry major in college, and i have a great love of theater, and this boom contains a play, and i wanted to imagine what happened when reticus arrived to convince him to publish the book. no one knows what he said, so that meeting's always intrigued me, and i got to make it happen in my head and in the book. >> brand new book, "a more perfect heaven: how copernicus revolutionized the heavens". thank you very much. >> thank you. >> a couple more hours

that means a catholic group could be forced to let an atheist lead the group. congressman randy forbes is the chairman of the congressional prayer caucus sent a letter to vanderbilt university asking them to abandon their policy and he joins us live from virginia beach, virginia this morning. good morning to you, congressman. >> good morning, steve, how are you? >> i'm doing fine although i'm sure a lot of our viewers looking in right now are going to be disturbed by the idea that this university is trying to crack down on the groups like that. >> well, it goes further than that, steve. actually, what they've done, these groups have gone a long way. the groups opened their membership to anybody regardless of their belief and even opened their leadership to anybody regardless of what they believe. but there are two things that distinguish the christian groups, their belief in prayer and their belief in the bible so they asked their leaders to lead the bible studies and to lead the prayer part of their meetings and vanderbilt has said they can't do that. and so e