karen: you hit me! karen, go up and get changed. ben, will you stop playing with that? ( toy siren wailing ) listen! for the last time, you should never, ever hit a person! what if they were attacking you with a shovel? what? if somebody's attacking you with a shovel, you must be able to hit them. well, obviously, yeah. i mean, that would be self-defense, so... obviously, in that sort of shovel-related circumstance you can hit someone, but-- ah, but you said never ever. look, ben, you know perfectly well what-- come on, people, let's not be late for another wedding! ah! and today's mystery object is... a trowel behind the telly. ( ben and pete arguing ) karen! are you ready? look, ben, you must never hit someone first. what if you're a boxer? if you're a boxer, you should be able to hit someone, because... listen! a boxer's job is to punch people. yeah, but we're not talking about-- what if somebody's walking toward you, and you know they're a murderer... ben. and they have a shovel. ben, this isn't about murderers with shovels. sue: jake, can you stop texting? ben: why

that was karen, playing her lovely recorder, frank. but it's awful! karen: old, old man! karen! granddad was only joking. have i upset her? i'm sorry. dad, it's fine. i think we over-praise her a bit. i didn't mean to. it's fine. listen, dad, you know what you mentioned a few moments ago about children buggering off, and... well, if that was about me, then i just wanted to say that i didn't-- i didn't mean to make you feel abandoned. i was 17, and i just wanted to... you know... and... and i'm sorry if... ( sighs ) i'm just sorry. i said what about children doing what? well, it doesn't matter. do you want a cup of tea? yeah, i don't mind if i do. she's fine. i told her that as you get older, nice music sounds nasty. and vice versa, which is why he likes celine dion. actually, i didn't-- i didn't say that last bit. i just made that up right now. sue, do you think i'm getting more moles? hang on. i'll get out last year's mole map. 'cause apparently you should check them every couple of months. do you think you ought to leave that self-diagnosis website alone for a bit, 'cause the

karen, it's nearly tea time. come and help me set the table. you did such a fantastic job last time. no! you're a mouse killer! karen! i meant to get rid of it, and then bloody jane turned up. brilliant. can't rely on anyone. you're right there. not even your friends. are you all right, sweetheart? they voted for ross as class rep. oh, i'm sorry to hear that. did he pay them more money than you? no, he didn't give them any money. he's just-- he's popular. no, that's not right. once you've sold your vote, you should stick to it. jake: when are we gonna have this family chat about money? we could have it now, couldn't we? we could have a family meeting over tea. karen, come and sit down! mum, can you guarantee that we're definitely not-- oi! can you guarantee we're definitely not gonna lose the house? yes. it's not like that. we're just a bit short of money at the moment. we can't even afford a cup of tea. what do you mean? well, one day, me and mummy were walking down the street, and there was a man sitting on the pavement with his dog. a very n

karen? karen? federal authoriiies say mohammad hassan khalid conspired with colleen larrse also known as jihad jane ii the plot... khalid has been in custody since his july arrest at his family's elllcott ciiy home.... federal investigators say he others to provide material support......resourcess....nn personnel to a plot to kill overseas..... the indictment charges he also helped recruit womee with passports...... maryland congressman dutch ruppersberger who is a ranking membbr of the house select commitee onnintelligence //take sot// a 17 yeer old when he started to work with johad jane and we have to be concerned with this type of individual in the future because that's who alqaidaas now recruitting in &pthe united states.... 3& khalid....a legal immigrant froo pakistan faces 15 years deported if convicted... the occupy wall street movementccntinues to make its presence known n cities but as john rydellltells us... questions are now being raised members... tonight the demonstrators say t

karen was awarded an award and officially retired. congratulations from the san francisco city and county, 2011, concluding her term as the chapter president and as a member of the seiu executive board on august 27, 2011. we're going to be voting on the comparative agenda in a few minutes, declaring september 27, 2011, karen bishop stay in san francisco. it has been a pleasure to work with you. i have learned so much from you. thank you for letting us honor you today, and i just want to ask if the other supervisors would like to say some words, as well? president chiu: supervisor camera? supervisor kim: it is a good to see you today. i remember you explaining to me when you first came to the library years ago that the books were put in order by color, and you came in, and i think just by yourself, you had to order all of your book -- all of the books, and our school district had for many of our important elements in our schools, it is really because we defunded our schools since we passed proposition 13 in california. i have incredibl

abc's karen travers live in washington. thanks, karen. >>> republicans are calling on congressional investigators to expand their probe of the administration's green energy loan program. they want to know more about the $500 million in federal money that was given to a start-up electric car company called fisker. >> its cars are being assembled in finland. but the head of the company insists none of uncle sam's money is going to those overseas workers. >> a lot of questions there. >>> we have word from turkey of another miracle rescue after sunday's devastating earthquake. crews pulled a university student from the rubble of an apartment building this morning. he was injured. but he is alive. >> earlier, rescue workers managed to save a 2-week-old baby girl, along with her mother and grandmother. three generations. all three were trapped in the wreckage of what used to be their home. >> wow. >>> just in time for the flu season, there is a major, new study out that says flu vaccines might not be as e fktive as we thought. >>

thank you, karen. abc's karen travers joining us live from washington. >>> a fragile peace is holding so far this morning between occupied oakland activists and police. protesters have taken down fences and moved back on to the plaza, after a violent all-day battle with police on tuesday. >> the mayor now says they will be allowed to gather at the site. but they won't be allowed to camp overnight. in new york, protesters made late night marches around city hall to show their solidarity with their comrades in oakland. >>> in other news this morning, president obama has announced his plan to lower college loan payments during a stop in denver. >> the president told students at the university of colorado that they should be in school. but they shouldn't be saddled with massive student loan payments. >> you will be more confident and comfortable to buy a house or save for retirement. and that will give our economy a boost at a time when it desperately needs it. >> the president told the crowd that he and t

karen continues. "daddy said in response, the senator says sheears the cries of women outside this chamber. we would be deafened by the cries of the children who are not here to cry because of this ." procedure. "the washington post" described what happened next. republican senator rick santorum turned to face the opposition and a high pleading voice, cried out, "where do we draw the line?" some people have likened this procedure to an appendix -- an appendectomy. that is not an appendix, he shouted. that is not a blob of tissue. it is a baby. it's a baby. and then impossibly, in an hushed gallery, in one of those moments when the florida senate looks like a stage set, with its small wooden desks some up to for the matters at hand, the cry of a baby per se the room, echoing across the hallway and enjoy it across the chamber from the outside hallway. no one mentioned the cry, before few seconds no o spoke. a coincidence? perhaps. a visitor is a baby was crying as the door of theenate gallery opened at

karen continues. "daddy said in response, the senator says she hears the cries of women outside this chamber. we would be deafened by the cries of the children who are not here to cry because of this ." procedure. "the washington post" described what happened next. republican senator rick santorum turned to face the opposition and a high pleading voice, cried out, "where do we draw the line?" some people have likened this procedure to an appendix -- an appendectomy. that is not an appendix, he shouted. that is not a blob of tissue. it is a baby. it's a baby. and then impossibly, in an hushed gallery, in one of those moments when the florida senate looks like a stage set, with its small wooden desks some up to for the matters at hand, the cry of a baby per se the room, echoing across the hallway and enjoy it across the chamber from the outside hallway. no one mentioned the cry, before few seconds no one spoke. a coincidence? perhaps. a visitor is a baby was crying as the door of the senate gallery open

what do you think, karen? >> well, you know, actually, i have to say, i will admit that i have a blackberry and an iphone, so i was more dependent -- >> redundancy, redunredundancy. >> that's called a backup plan. >> but it was a good reminder that, hey, maybe, you pick up the phone and call somebody, you talk to the person. maybe you actually have a conversation, i don't know, let's get crazy, face-to-face instead of -- >> she says from her hotel room. >> remote from a room in d.c. we don't even know where you are. >> i'm going to take it from a different extreme, karen. i live 85 miles west of washington, d.c. in the mountains of virginia in a log cabin. >> the end of the earth -- >> karen's been there. and people say, what are you, the unabomber? >> yes. >> no, he's not. >> don't call me, don't come near my house, and for god's sakes, don't even mail me a letter. please, leave me alone. >> a note to all of jimmy's potential suitors -- >> don't come near my house. >> no letters and don't visit his house. >>

abc's karen travers live in washington. thanks, karen. >>> republicans are calling on congressional investigators to expand their probe of the administration's green energy loan program. they want to know more about the $500 million in federal money that was given to a start-up electric car c called fisker. >> its cars are being assembled in finland. but the head of the company insists none of uncle sam's money is going to those overseas workers. >> a lot of questions there. >>> we have word from turkey of another miracle rescue after sunday's devastating earthquake. crews pulled a university student from the rubble of an apartment building this morning. he was injured. but he is alive. >> earlier, rescue workers managed to save a 2-week-old baby girl, along with her mother and grandmother. three generations. all three were trapped in the wreckage of what used to be their home. >> wow. >>> just in time for the flu season, there is a major, new study out that says flu vaccines might not be as e fktive as we thought. >> uh-oh

night was our karen tumulty. we are proud. you were great. while the republicans were busy fighting over the campaign calendar and fighting each other, the president was jockeying for position with congress. at stake, who gets bragging rights for at least trying to create jobs? for this week at least, nobody. the senate is expected to reject the president's jobs bill. but it seems that the fight for the upper hand is just beginning. is that right? >> it seems glacial. but yes. in a way, it is beginning. in a new sort of phase. and that is that the president is believing very strongly that you can win actually by losing. you can watch your legislation be locked in the senate. and you can still argue effectively to the american public. and they're seeing in some of these polling inching up some support. not necessarily for the obama plan. but for ingredients within the plan. there's absolutely widespread support for taxing millionaires. there is public support for elements of the jobs plan. so the president believe

what does that then mean for karen and for you and for the adoption? >> we have been told that we have a legal adoption in the state of missouri, but it's very important to us, because we believe in ethical adoption that we continue to pursue the truth of our daughter's past. she had a lot of trauma in her early years. >> there a lot of discussion about dna testing and the reason this has come up in a shortened version is that a dna test was done initially and there was a match between the woman who says she is karen's birth mother and another child who was adopted. you don't believe that your daughter karen is that child who had that positive match with the woman who claims to be her mother. why not then do another dna test? it's a simple, nonintrusive swab with a q-tip in her mouth. couldn't that help you in setting the record straight? >> we don't know what happened. we are working closely with authorities because there have been reports that another child was actually substituted in guatemala for the dna test that occurred. and we have been trying

>> karen, thank you. you know, the lackluster economy has been a major talking point for republican candidates as they take on the president. does this positive news change any of that? >> reporter: yunji, it's going to take more than one quarter of modest growth to make a difference for president obama. that unemployment rate is still dragging down his approval rating. just 35% of americans approve on the economy and jobs. and that is a big problem heading into the election year. for now, the president is trying to focus on congressional republicans. saying they're not doing anything. at some point, he will have to focus on his eventual republican rival. and it's clear what the playbook will be. the president will try to make this a choice between the candidates, not a referendum on his policies. yunji and rob? >> all right. abc's karen travers joining us live this morning. thanks, karen. >>> anti-wall street protesters gathered again in oakland, california, last night, to honor a man who has been a hall

karen didn't get told until three days later. american said she were busy prepping for hurricane irene but karen said the storm didn't hit for two days. him had two days to do more active search and recovery and certainly do the most important thing which is get traps down to get the animal where he was lost, close to when he was lost. >> reporter: then yesterday a employee found jack after he fell through ceiling tiles in the very building he was last seem american took a beating on facebook and twitter, they posted we repeat our apology for the upset caused by this situation. >>> is that enough? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: you forgive them? >> not at that place. >> reporter: jack's facebook page has 19,000 likes. karen credits social media for keeping the pressure on american . none theless jack could face a lifetime of health problems. >>> had they found him sooner. >> there would be no problem many. >> reporter: in san jose. cbs5. >> pinpoint weather is sponsored by mancini sleep world. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, . >>> we wan

what does that then mean for karen and for you and for the adoption? >> we have been told that we have a legal adoption in the state of missouri but it's very important to us because we believe in ethical adoption that we continue to pursue the truth of our daughter's past. she had a lot of trauma in her early years. >> there a lot of discussion about dna testing and the reason this has come up in a shortened version is that a dna test was done initially and there was a match between the woman who says she is karen's birth mother and another child who was adopted. you don't believe that your daughter karen is that child who had that positive match with the woman who claims to be her mother. why not then do another dna test? it's a simple nonintrucesive swab with a q-tip in her mouth. couldn't that help you in setting the record straight? >> we don't know what happened. we are working closely with authorities because there have been reports that another child was actually substituted in guatemala for the dna test that occurred. and we have been trying t

karen didn't get told until three days later. american said she were busy prepping for hurricane irene but karen said the storm didn't hit for two days. him had two days to do more active search and recovery and certainly do the most important thing which is get traps down to get the animal where he was lost, close to when he was lost. >> reporter: then yesterday a employee found jack after he fell through ceiling tiles in the very building he was last seem american took a beating on facebook and twitter, they posted we repeat our apology for the upset caused by this situation. >>> is that enough? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: you forgive them? >> not at that place. >> reporter: jack's facebook page has 19,000 likes. karen credits social media for keeping the pressure on american . none theless jack could face a lifetime of health problems. >>> had they found him sooner. >> there would be no problem many. >> reporter: in ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, . >>> we want to pick up on the story in downtown oakland. here is a live shot from chopp

they might box themselves into a corner. >> karen? >> the bill is not going to pass, i can assure you of that. >> washington insider. >> it won't. i'm quite confident of that, that it won't pass and it won't -- i'll be surprised if it even comes up for a vote, quite frankly. it's better politics on the part of the democrats. and if president obama had gone out there to start with with the tax truly on millionaires and not the $250,000 range which chuck schumer balked at, he would have been better to start with. he had to engage in this constant finger-pointing and finger-wagging. >> i want to move on to herman cain. but, jamal, if this does not pass, is that it for the president with the jobs bills? is it go into campaign mode or does he keep trying? >> no, absolutely it isn't. if it isn't, that's a problem for the president. he's got to keep pushing this jobs bill. if they vote it down, he's got to break it up into pieces and come back every week, keep pushing it. what we haven't heard from karen and from the speaker or from mitch mc

karen first -- karen travers has more. >> reporter: the president hits the road today. in washington the bill faces a critical test in the senate, a test it is likely to fail. the white house has demanded quick action on the half a trillion dollar plan. >> the president: tell congress to pass this bill. pass this bill. >> reporter: senate republicans and even some democrats say it is too expensive. republicans are adamantly posed to more stimulus spending. they don't like the tax increase on the wealthiest americans that democrats added. >> if this vote doesn't succeed tonight we are going to get right at it. >> reporter: the president's record will be under fire in new hampshire tonight. the republican presidential hopefuls meet for a debate that focuses on the economy. herman cain is in the spotlight. right next to romney. national polls determine the sitting arrangement, cain is in a solid second place. his rise has been swift somewhat surprising. he's never been in politics before. barely campaigning in the key early states and focusing most of his attention on prom

karen finney and karen nussle, two karens, it's always nice to see you. thank you both. >> thanks. >>> testimony continues in the conrad murray trial as the prosecution prepares to rest its case. what will the defense strategy be? we'll take a look at the case next. >>> and which candidates are in it to win it? who really wants to be president, and what could the other motives be? >>> but first a look at the markets. let's take a look at what they're doing now. all markets are up, the dow is up about 99 points, s&p 500 up 15 points, and the nasdaq also up as well, 58 points. we'll be right back. o cleaner, domestic, abundant and creating jobs now. we're america's natural gas. . >>>well the defense phase of the trial against michael jackson's personal physician is expected to begin later today, but first, dr. conrad murray's lawyer also get their last crack at cross-examining the prosecution's star witness. propofol expert dr. steven schaeffer. schaeffer testified last week murray was a direct cause of jackson's death. on friday attorney ed chernoff attemp

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democratic strategist and msnbc political analyst karen finney is with us. republican strategist and msnbc contributor, susan del percio is here in new york. and our washington insider and our get money out curator at large, i think is his current title right now. did you ever think you would be a curator? >> i don't even know what that is. >> you're curating as we speak. >> the democrat s and republicas are going to carry this into triple overtime. they just need to let the clock go until it's time to run for re-election. some will say that's already started. but they're worried about keeping their jobs. they are not focused on what americans want. that's why you see the outrage that you do -- >> occupy wall street. >> that's right. and while 125,000, 140,000 people have signed up to get money out, because they areç tired of the system. what's going to happen is, there are going to be elected official who is will try to tie on to the movement, much like they did with the tea party movement. it's up to the people who are out there to boot them out and not

karen first -- karen travers has more. >> reporter: the president hits the road today. in washington the bill faces a critical test in the senate, a test it is likely to fail. the white house has demanded quick action on the half a trillion dollar plan. >> the president: tell congress to pass this bill. pass this bill. >> reporter: senate republicans and even some democrats say it is too expensive. republicans are adamantly posed to more stimulus spending. they don't like the tax increase on the wealthiest americans that democrats added. >> if this vote doesn't succeed tonight we are going to get right at it. >> reporter: the president's record will be under fire in new hampshire tonight. the republican presidential hopefuls meet for a debate that focuses on the economy. herman cain is in the spotlight. right next to romney. national polls determine the sitting arrangement, cain is in a solid second place. his rise has been swift somewhat surprising. he's never been in politics before. barely campaigning in the key early states and focusing most of his attention on prom

in los angeles, karen brown, wjz eyewitness news. >> dr. murray faces four years in prison if convicted. but there's also a chance he would serve house arrest because california's prisons are so overcrowded with violent criminals. >>> guilty of violating a crime. will waltor bishop get the death penalty? >> well, kai, this is the first murder case in maryland to testify the state's new guidelines for the death penalty. this is a police interview videotape of bishop, admitting he murdered gas station owner ray porter. under the new rules, it makes him eligible for the death penalty. bishop's attorneys are arguing the confession was coerced, however. prosecutors say the interview tapes speak for itself. kai? >> wjz is inside the harford county courtroom. and we'll bring you the sentencing decision as soon as it is reached. >>> the dow makes triple digit gains on the heels of a financial agreement in europe. here are the numbers from moments ago. the dow jones is up 340 points and a and a half. and the s&p is up 43. nasdaq is up 88. >>> show o

karen travers, live in washington. thank you. >>> we're getting a preview of rick perry's tax cut plan, which he's expected to unveil fully later today. >> cut, balance and grow aims to revamp the tax code, balance the budget, reform entitlement programs and create jobs. that's according to an op-ed piece that perry has written for "the wall street journal." the plan also proposes an optional 20% flat tax rate, and allowing taxpayers to submit their taxes on a postcard. >>> we're also following new developments this morning from libya, where moammar gadhafi has been buried in a secret location in the desert. gadhafi's body, along with those of his sons and a top aide, had been moved from a freezer in misrata, where corpses were on display for four days. >> officials say a few friends and relatives were present at that burial. the exact location is being kept secret, of course, to avoid any vandalism. >>> staying overseas in turkey. daylight has renewed the search for survivors after sunday's earthquake. more than 2,500

karen, mitt romney did not respond to pastor jeffress' comments. >> right. >> does he need to? >> no, i don't think so. we talked to reverend jeffress in the green room and that is his opinion as to the theology of mormonism. i don't think mitt romney has got to address that. but i will say on tuesday night at the cnn debate, they are going to go after rick perry and the mormon cult and what does it mean, i think it's going to be a coming issue certainly this week and certainly up until january. >> yeah. erin, you can weigh in. you're new to the conversation this morning. >> well, you know, alex, four years ago mitt romney had to deal with this a lot and he got questions everywhere he went in iowa, just about how he was going to handle his faith and then he gave a big speech. as you were talking about this morning, he gave the speech about freedom of religion. he's taken a long time to ramp up on the campaign trail and hasn't spoken to many voters this year but it's certain to come up again and he's going to get asked those questions again and we'll have to see if he had land d

sports unlimited...up next, karen parks and jeff barnd with the late edition. panetta says: "it was a bad year for terrorists." terrorists." the united states strikes again against al qaeda. and the man who was at the top of america's terrorist hit list since the death of osama bin laden -- is dead. hello i'm karen parks. parks. i'm jeff barnd. al-qaeda mouth--piece... an--war.../ al-wool-lock-key.../ died... in a missile strike... early today in yemen....//// áájenniferáá griffin... describes... how it happened -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- ----- it was the type of operation the c-i-a has honed to perfection in the tribal areas of pakistan, done in conjunction with military special operators -- the same configuration that carried out the bin laden raid, minus the ground troops. this time high in the skies over yemen -- two u-s military predator drones armed with hellfire missiles, struck a convoy forty miles from the saudi border -- killing four people the target -- anwar al awaki -- the

advocacy group, and then an author of a great new book "for liberty and justice for some," and then karen hunter, journalists and professor, and pulitzer prize winner, and our panelists yesterday so we have to book you together at some point, don't you think? >> no. >> so first off let's talk about the week the president had. a very productive week for him. on monday he announced a plan to give much needed mortgage relief to under water homeowners, and on tuesday he changed community health centers to hire veterans, and then lowering monthly payments for student loans, and graduates that have loans through the federal student loan program, and then helping find the services needed from local governments, and it's all part of the campaign, and it was all done without congress. the president was not shy about it in his weekly video address yesterday. >> the truth is we can no longer wait for congress to do its job. the middle class families who have been struggling for years are tired of waiting. they need help now. so where congress won't act, i will. >> congress is not happy, or some memb

as karen said, that's the way the establishment front-runner has won. romney's benefit is there is no other establishment candidate in thrace because they all took a pass. so in iowa if he gets the bulk of the establishment vote he will win iowa because the establishment vote even with the tea party sentiment is a huge part of the eleorate en in theowa caucus. there's no doubt that as long as all these people are in the race... paul's got a base that's not going away, bachmann has a base that's declining but not going away. perry will get his share of the vote. it's very easy to see him winning iowa. i don't think the pressure is on him because there's a precedent of mccain skipping iowa. me eel try to manage the expectations of that. >> rose: let's not forget this wonderful contrarian state up here, there's nothing they like better than to take someone who has won iowa and looks like an absolute foregone conclusion and say guess what, folks? >> rose: who's the best example of that? >> hillary clinton. >> barack obama. >> rose: barack obama. >> i mean b

i agree with karen to the point that the banks were bailed out, bank of america, aig, tens and hundreds of billions of dollars and so they are fat and cushy. at the same time, unemployment went up to 10% and they don't have jobs and that's common -- the concern about that is the occupy wall street as well as the tea party group. you have the frustration on one side. middle america would like the country that they had but i'm not sure that they would be able to get it back. >> karen, i want to talk about another excerpt that talks about the president's appeal in arkansas. he, obama, might have had al shot if he hadn't come out so extreme. if he didn't come out with health care and the cap and trade. do you think that they have regrets? >> yes, doi. i personally thought -- i don't think it was a mistake to go to health care because it's one of the greatest costs that is impacting our economy. i think they could have made a stronger pace and argument about that link to the economy and made that economic argument a little earlier on. i also think, though, cap and trade as well as the health

a chance to show you what karen has said. the level of scrutiny is much tougher on the presidential level than the state level. >> go ahead really quickly, karen. >> part of it, this is the kind of thing that undermines confidence from donors that is the other big race going on here. >> karen, joe, always a pleasure, thank you both so much. do appreciate that. >>> don't forget to tune in tonight for a special edition of "hardball" with chris matthews it is called "the great democratic debate," chris will assess two very different political strategies for president obama's re-election, tonight, 7:00 eastern, right here on msnbc. >>> some breaking news right now to get to this is a massive fire it is burping at a chemical plant in texas. the firefighters on at scene here, this is in a city and a town called wax sa hatch chi there we just saw some huge fireballs from that chemical plant in wax sa hatch chi texas. the campus of navarro college nearby being evacuated. for folks who are in that area or who might be familiar with th

karen be you have done plenty of those before. he does need it reign it in a bit or will this play well with another debate? >> yes. a lot of testosterone. always hard to tell how voters actually take that. i remember when hillary clinton ran for senate and rick lazio similarly felt he had to show he was tough and take the fight to her. there is a tipping point where voters get turned off. remember at some point, i'm all for having a good fight, but have you to be presidential. people have to be able to look at you and say, i can see a president there. the other thing in the exchange with perry and cain that may be very uncomfortable given all of the unanswered questions about perry and race is when we referred to cain as brother. it just hit my ear the wrong way. >> all said, did it hit the ear well for voters out there, the debate last night, matt, made for some pretty good television some might say. but at the end, newt gingrich says maximizing bickering is probably not the road to the white house. what did you think here for t

as karen said, that's the way the establishment front-runner has won. romney's benefit is there is no other establishment candidate in thrace because they all took a pass. so in iowa if he gets the bulk of the establishment vote he will win iowa because the establishment vote even with the tea party sentiment is a huge part of the eleorate en in theowa caucus. there's no doubt that as long as all these people are in the race... paul's got a base that's not going away, bachmann has a base that's declining but not going away. perry will get his share of the vote. it's very easy to see him winning iowa. i don't think the pressure is on him because there's a precedent of mccain skipping iowa. me eel try to manage the expectations of there, there's e better than to take someone who has won iowa and looks like an absolute foregone conclusion and say guess what, folks? >> rose: who's the best example of that? >> hillary clinton. >> barack obama. >> rose: barack obama. >> i mean barack obama had new hampshire won before iowa. >> 18 points. >> trust me, i know t

good morning, karen. >> reporter: good morning, yunji. good morning, rob. bernie madoff's arrest tore his family apart. and now, we're learning it drove him and his wife to the drink. on christmas eve 2008, burnive in and ruth madoff decided they had had enough. bernie had been accused of running a ponzi scheme. according to a new interview ruth madoff did with cbs news' '60 minutes" she and her husband tried to kill themselves the night before christmas in their new york city penthouse apartment. >> we decided to kill ourselves because it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls. hate mail. just beyond anything. and i said i can't, i just can't go on anymore. >> reporter: ruth told cbs news that she and her husband of 50 years decided together to swallow pills, including ambien and quantipen. i'm glad we woke up, ruth told cbs. but the security firm questioned. he said he was in the apartment until about 7:00 p.m. >> in there with them talking. i didn't see anything unusual. >> reporter: in 010, madoff's eldest son, mark, took his