the republican party believes that at its core, that is what the republican party is it out. the democrats believe that to government should take care of everybody from cradle to grave. it does not work. there is not enough money to do it. it does not leave any room for creativity for people to achieve their own dreams. >> we have a tweet on twitter. this your asked you, what you think about florida's redistricting and the gerrymandering? guest: that will be worked out. we don't know what that will look like. we are going to have to wait and see. >> when it comes to polling, when it comes down to nbc news and washington journal that our poll, herman cain is coming out on top with 27% followed by mitt romney with 23% and rick perry at 16%. ron paul came in at 11% followed by new to gingrich and michelle bachman at 5%. when it comes to the state itself, could you give a synopsis of the on the ground machines that are in place when it comes to the various candidates and who has the best one? guest: all of the candidates have visiting florida regularly for months now. just recent

she didn't leave the republican party. party. the republican party left her. how accurate do you really think that is? in a way i know you talk later about the republican circuit term but i remember talking to elly peterson in the late 60s and she was already concerned that the nixon administration was too far to the right into conservative. today richard nixon probably isn't acceptable about to moderate republicanism. so i mean, how much did she actually change your views or do you think she was absolutely pretty much rock solid, the same philosophical outlook and ideology from the time of larry lindenberg in the late 50s all the way up until the end? >> i think she evolves and clearly in the 1960s she was concerned about elements in the republican party both in michigan and on the national level. one of the reasons why she was concerned about the possibility of phyllis schlafly would become the president of the national republican of women. the man she championed were in their romney, rockefeller bill scranton that kind of mode and they think as she said nix

she didn't leaf the republican party -- leave the republican party, the republican party left her. how accurate do you really think that is in a way? i know you talked about later the republican party took a turn to the right. but i remember talking to elly peterson in the late '60s, and she was already concerned that the nixon administration was too far to the right and too conservative. and today richard nixon probably isn't acceptable at all to modern republicanism. [laughter] so, i mean, how much did she actually change her views, or do you think she was absolutely pretty much rock solid, the same philosophical outlook and ideology from the time of larry -- [inaudible] in the late '50s all the way out until the end? >> >> no, i think she evolved, and i think clearly in the 1960s she was concerned, um, about right-wing elements in the republican party both in michigan and on the national level. and one of the reasons why she was concerned about the possibility of phyllis schlafly would become president of the national confederation of republican women. i think that the men she c

it's a pathetic state of affairs for the republican party because tea party and republican party are synonymous these days. >> mike papantonio, great to have you with us tonight. always look forward to your take. thank you. >>> the party of reagan has been hammering president obama lately calling his tax plans class warfare. but president reagan's own speeches land on the side of president obama. and we'll play you the tape. it's a dandy. ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes from here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ >>> an important voice of the middle class is now expressing his full fledged support for the wall street protesters. the movement is spreading to other parts of the country and the message is getting louder. greed is kill the middle class. >>> and up next, ronald reagan has a lesson for republicans who accuse president ob

the republican party believes that, at its core, that's what the republican party is about, that's what most americans are about. the democrats believe that government should take care of everyone from cradle to crave, and it doesn't work. there's not enough money to do it, a, and b, it doesn't leave any room for creativity for people to pursue their own dreams. host: we have a tweet on twitter, and this viewer asks you, what do you think about florida's redistricting and the new rules preventing gerrymandering? guest: that will be worked out, the redistricting with our legislature in the upcoming session, and we don't know what that's going to look like, so we're going to have to wait and see. host: when it comes to polling, mr. curry, nbc news and "wall street journal" did a poll, with we areman cain coming on top with 27%, followed by mitt romney with 23%, and rick perry at 16%. ron paul came in at 11%, followed by newt gingrich at 8% and mi shell bachmann at 5%. when it comes to the state itself, could you give a synopsis of kind of beyond the ground machines that are in place when

side which is half of the republican party. the other side of the party is moderate, more pragmatic, more secular, more focused on the economy. with that non-tea party side of the party, you see mitt romney making steady gains. for example, in your four polls in those early states, he's ahead by double digits in each of the states among voters who don't identify with the tea party. he's ahead by double digits among those who do not consider themselves born again christians in all four states. on the other side of the party, he's facing much more resistance. you're seeing the volatility there. those are voters who moved around from mike huckabee and donald trump early in the year and michele bachmann had a surge among them. rick perry in the late summer was doing very well. the wheel has turned on to herman cain. you see support for gingrich and san ttorum as well. there's volatility as the portion of the republican party resistant to romney tries to find an alternative to him but have not been able to settle. >> you say there's

we're looking through the window at the republican party. let's listen here. >> six weeks ago, there was some pundits who was siaying that i should just drop out. well, they don't know herman cain. how do i feel? i am feeling great. i'm feeling great not only because of the surge, but i'm feeling great because a lot of people are taking a second look and they're saying, maybe this long shot is not such a long shot. >> well, there he is. and by the way, how many "rocky" movies did you see? all five? >> i think 10, 11, 12. how many were there? up to the russians? >> anyway, herman cain, we're watching you. the doubters persist. thank you, david corn. >> sure thing, chris. >>> coming up, the occupy wall street protesters are angry, of course, and their movement is growing, of course, but how much sway do they have with voters? will they change policy? will they change american's hearts and minds and get something done about economic inequality in this country? you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if

it's a pathetic state of affairs for the republican party because tea party and republican party are synonymous these days. >> mike papantonio, great to have you with us tonight. always look forward to your take. thank you. >>> the party of reagan has been hammering president obama lately calling his tax plans class warfare. but president reagan's own speeches land on the side of president obama. and we'll play you the tape. it's a dandy. >>> an important voice of the middle class is now expressing his full fledged support for the wall street protesters. the movement is spreading to other parts of the country and the message is getting louder. greed is kill the middle class. >>> and up next, ronald reagan has a lesson for republicans who accuse president obama of class warfare. ♪ ♪ ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes from here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me,

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what you have is a republican party that can't decide what it wants to be. it can't decide how conservative it wants to be. it can't decide how much tea party influence there should be or how much establishment influence there should be. and so what you're watching is kind of a serious fighting through of issues that is more than just kind of surface stuff. >> i wanted to refer some new polling number in ohio. despite the president's problems with the economy, he still leads against the republican challengers across the board. the closest to him is mitt romney. what does that tell you? >> well, i would love to say it was they are fighting back. they're looking at these republicans and saying these guys aren't serious. they've been pulled so far to the right. as up, pat robertson is telling them to dial it back. you know you're in bad shape then. and they're looking at the policies and saying you are not focused on anyone but the top 1%. your policies are not going to help me. they're not going to help my family. in a state like ohio where you've had economic

roosevelts in the republican party of tea party day today? >> well -- >> can you name any? reasonable people. >> well, tom ridge, who was out campaigning for us. >> former governor of pennsylvania. who else? keep going. >> we're not going to play the name game. >> i was wondering if there's more than a couple. christie whitman, perhaps. i don't think there's many. susan collins, olympia snowe, you lost spector. >> it's ideas that matter. >> here's where ideas concern me, this is about compassionate conservatism, which is what bush jr. ran on. let's watch performances by past debates, what i consider outrageous performances by the audiences. >> in 2010 when i was deployed to iraq, i had to lie about who i was, because i'm a gay soldier, and i didn't want to lose my job. my question is, under one of your presidencies, do you intend to circumvent the progress that's been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military? [ audience booing ] >> your state has executed 234 death row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times. have you -

crowd what's happened to the republican party. well millionaire you know billion or twenty thousand over telling the owners laterally or telling you to bus drivers shouldn't pay what it millionaires pay what you're give your for you the real you are the republican party or you know twenty five percent or twenty five more than a quarter of all people who are in more than a million dollars last year sure had less income tax than the median wage or than somebody earning forty seven thousand dollars a year in america you know this is wrong but the republicans are trying to do tax reform they just don't want it to be in consummate of revenue they just you know as we don't want to be an increase in taxes on we're rich people they want to know are the people you know i don't know any of the any of the balanced budget amendments or any proposals they always talk about revenue as a percentage of g.d.p. . so they're not talking about specific like rich or poor they're just saying you have to tax the economy at this rate thirty nine hundred

republican party is the ostracized party. it tends -- when it gets tired of itself, someone comes from outside. the republican party is more affiliated with business and enterprise. enterprising people tend to turn out to these republicans because they are from the private sector. that will always be a factor. who is the 1968 republican they were thinking of? the never came. we are still waiting for wendell willkie. he pushed roosevelt over into the war, to put it simply. willkie fought the war at to happen because what was going on in europe was wrong and we had to help fight the bad nazis. he was on the right side on that. that is refreshing. when someone comes in and speaks the truth about an important and difficult issue. i think that is what people remember. he forced roosevelt to do what roosevelt knew what was right to do, which was go into the war. he may roosevelt be a better roosevelt. >> more from wendell willkie as he talks about liberalism and, also, the roosevelt new deal. this another from the republican nation

>> it's a title because the sums up one of the main arguments in the book is that the republican party has had a foreign policy approach that tends to be hard lined by which i mean the foreign policy to increase syria's lead the way that there are threats out there and now to the united states trying to be uncompromising in the face of those threats. that is consistent but there's also been a variety in what particular republican comes under what particular president is to make the was my next question. 67 years since the end of world war ii. there are what 67, 34 years 34 of those have had republican presidents. is there any consistency? >> amine consistency is the one i just described under the republican presence there hasn't been an isolationist president a tendency to when the hard-line approach that's been consistent. the variety has been somebody like what's a boesh xli and bush 43, jr. and two of them each with richard nixon and ronald reagan as well. >> roudebush's different from ronald reagan, etc.? >> the emphasis was on stability, prudence and caution he was trying to presi

of the republican party. address that question raised by jennifer. will his lds religion end up forcing the republicans to look to another candidate between now and next year? >> i don't think so, and i think, chris, you know that every candidate in both parties always has to bring some burden with them on the campaign trail. for john mccain, who is was last candidate i worked for, it was his position on immigration. he had once supported comprehensive immigration reform with the late ted kennedy, so george w. bush brought some positions that were suspect to the republican base when he ran in the primary in 2000, things he had done in texas with the late lieutenant governor bullock, so every nominee brings a burden of some positions and obstacles. i don't think your analysis of what's been going on with the republican side is entirely unfair, but i do think we're seeing a transition. i think as we speak together tonight i think that romney may be -- i think people may be settling in with romney. i think they

i've got the republican party nailed down. i know the heart of the republican party. they know the heart of nut bar land. so let me just say herman cain, flavor of the week. he will not win the nomination. by the way, say all the ugly things about me when i said it about sarah palin, when i said it about perry and when i said it abiliout bachmann. the list is so long. glenn beck. i understand you hate me despite the fact i love you because i've got christ in my heart. you hate the fact that i'm always right and you're always wrong. >> oh, joe, you were doing fine. >> when do they land on the planet reality? >> when they wake up and herman cain is not the nominee and perry is not the nominee and bachmann is not the nominee. all these people that i say can't win don't win. and yet, it's like the same old story every time. your stupid websites, it's the same story. you say what you want. i'm like obey juan khan nobody bee. just strike me down and i only get stronger darth. it's getting boring. i'm going to sleep. you do the knees. >> somebody put a bee in your bonnet thi

the republican party has a problem with their mormon candidates. that is, you know, they're in a party where one of mccain's backers until he dumped him, john hagey in houston. look, when rick perry launches his presidential campaign with a prayer meeting and has people so fringed associating with him theologically, most right wing evangelicals disassociate from that, you know something is going on i say it's religion masquerading as politics. the agenda of the religious right is the theocracy in the united states of america. they wrapped themselves in the flag but the america they support is an america that doesn't exist. it's one without immigration. it's one without black people. it's one without gay people. it's one without women having a right to choose. it's one where the whites remain forever in the majority. and as this america slips away, what you really see is part of the larger story that you were referring to at the beginning of this program, with the war on terror continuing. and that is the real story worldwide, a collision course bet

he would have controlled the republican party nationally. i can tell you, he would have never allowed a joe mccarthy to rear his head. >> we talk some domestic issues -- we talked some international issues. >> we are well into the cold war. dweey is supportive of the marshall plan. he supports nato. to some degree, he had put in america's economy on a cold war footing. dewey is supportive of all that. if anything, he thinks we need to spend more money on defenses. he thinks we have neglected conservative forces. for example, charles de gaulle who is out of power in preference -- in france. he thinks a creed of american diplomacy could put people like that to good use. >> how does he differ from the other prominent republicans in the party at that time? who are they? >> bob taft, mr. republican from ohio, is fair to say he was the champion of the isolationist wing of the republican party. that is to say, the wind profoundly suspicious of international organizations like the u. n. suspicious of litter on the korean war. suspicious of projectin

republican party is the ostracized party. when it gets tired of itself, someone comes from outside. the republican party is more

and they sort of define, forgive me, a bit of a fringey part of the republican party. they -- in the ames poll they supported michele bachmann obviously and they tend to prioritize social conservative issues. in republican voting in iowa. given that, and given the influence of iowa right now, do you think it makes sense for democrats to talk about values issues? heading into a national election year and the president's re-election? values issues including social issues or do you think that talking about the economy is a way to speak to the moderates and the independents of iowa that may not feel like they're represented by that republican caucus? >> actually i think you can do both at the same time. you can talk about putting people back to work and you honor the value of work. you can talk about making sure that veterans have an opportunity which the president wants with the american jobs act, getting them an opportunity to have a job when they come back. you can talk about values and talk about them in terms of what's on the minds of most people today which is making

the republican party here in washington for the most part and i believe all the republican presidential candidates want to repeal wall street reform. what message does that send after the 2008 crash? that we want to go back to the same rules that we had. the american free market system is the most powerful creator of jobs we've ever seen. but that doesn't mean it's a free license to make money however you want to make it. we need basic rules of the road. the president stands on behalf of consumers in that. and what you see is a party really in unanimity, wanting to let wall street write its own rules. >> all right, we're going to leave it there. david plouffe, thank you as always. coming up, decision 2012. inside the race for the republican nomination. can herman cain capitalize on his current standing atop the field, as perry tries to rebound, and romney remains a steady second. >>> plus, what if we had a steve jobs in government? does washington need someone like the late visionary ceo to break through the party san battles and solve the country's big problems? joining us, author of t

the real debate in the republican party is not between 90% of the party and the tea party. i actually think the real debate is between what you might call establishment republicanism, republicanism in many ways of reagan and bush the father and now the new republicanism which you're seeing on the hill. the real question is what will the republican nominee stand for particularly in domestic policy? he going to toe the line and say no new taxes of any sort no matter what? smaller government no matter what? is that going to become the new republicanism or is it going to be something more traditional and centrist? i actually think that is a bigger question than whether the tea party dominates. it is ultimately which party does mitt romney who is the likely nominee or whoever else, which party does he ultimately embrace? >> one other thing to point out tonight. we've been talking about rick perry's style. there is a front page piece in "the wall street journal" not the "new york times" which begins to shoot holes in the texas miracle which has been the center piece of rick perry

so you're talking about the republican party today as if it were the same republican party 200 years ago. it's different. >> bill: conservative mindset hasn't changed since the civil war. >> but the republican party has changed. >> bill: the federal government -- republican party, some has. >> come on, bill. it isn't completely designed to suggest the republican party of 2011 is the same one of 1811 or of 1950. it's not true! >> bill: nothing is the same. >> and it's tangential. >> bill: self-reliance is the same. >> but the concern is whether that narrative and that rhetoric is also linked to issues of race and racism. it's not coming from occupy wall street. those are hippies. the problem is what happens when it comes from the right when it's perceived as red necks. that's the concern. >> bill: i'm not really seeing the difference. they both have beefs and grievances. it's just against difference ones. i don't see racism in either one. >> i see racism in both. i don't think there is -- >> bill: i don't think they're involved with black politic, either the tea party or the wall stre

not sell it to this new republican party. this is not your normal republican party. it doesn't mean it's good or bad. it's a different republican party in the house of representatives. it's different, with a very different view than mainstream republicans have had going into this. and until we get a republican party, it's going to be hard to figure out who can we compromise with. we're prepared to compromise just like on the jobs bill. give us an alternative. tell us what you -- >> they did, they had a mccain alternative as you know. >> and independent validators said it wouldn't create any new jobs. where -- and look -- well, i'll leave it. >> go ahead. i can tell you were just about to say something. i'm sure i would have loved that. when you look at the gop field right now, who is the strongest candidate? >> candy, i have trouble figuring out my own field, you know, and i have no idea. you know -- >> would romney be tough? >> i think they'd all be tough. i think whomever is our opponent will be tough. >> a lot of people us

when the republican party lost big? the republicans aren't happy with their presumed candidate so they're shopping around for someone else. anyone else. one difference is the timing, of course, with the caucuses and the primaries pushed up to new years. the election campaign this time is being fought out months ahead of when it was in '64. what's the same in the relentless rejection of the front-runner. the only question is whether mitt romney can lose the nomination

here is republican herman cain in an interview with wolf itzer. >> why is the republican party basically poison for so m many african-americans? >> because many african- americans have been binwashed into not beinopenen-minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. i have received some of the same vitriol simply because i am running for r the republin nomination as a conservative. >> nevertheless, jane marret, king says if he -- cain says if he were the nominee one-third of the americans would vote for him. brainwashed? >> he is doing well because he is book christie stand in. he talks clearly annd bluntly. i would like to find out and got father bts a got any government help when it was starting out that was the result of democratic officials. in that interesting question. >> you know, this is one way that he is not going to turn around two-thirds of african- americans who don't vote for the republican party by saying they are brainwashed. he is going to lose it just that way. but he is also conveniently ssing a little history, because there was a time when the republican p

the republican party here in washington for the most part and i believe all the republican presidential candidates want to repeal wall street reform. what message does that send after the 2008 crash? that we want to go back to the same rules that we had. the american free market system is the most powerful creator of jobs we've ever seen. but that doesn't mean it's a free license to make money however you want to make it. we need basic rules of the road. the president stands on behalf of consumers in that. and what you see is a party really in unanimity, wanting to letwall street write its own rules. >> all right, we're going to leave it there. david plouffe, thank you as always. coming up, decision 2012. inside the race for the republican nomination. can herman cain capitalize on his current standing atop the field, as perry tries to rebound, and romney remains a steady second. >>> plus, what if we had a steve jobs in government? does washington need someone like the late visionary ceo to break through the party san battles and solve the country's big problems? joining us, author of th

is trying to do that with the republican party so just sort of a republican party look like what you want to look like or you will and if you're out here and we're getting there all the candidates are probably right. now for the presidential race for example are coming to us they're sitting our endorsement they're seeking our support and we're trying to figure out who's the right person for the job but they all have problems they all the issues they sure do oh yeah if any of those guys look like who you want leading the country i say that we're in trouble but i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you. now coming up next we have our midweek edition as you said i read it and just as predicted the warmongers are already coming out after the department of justice announcer foiled plot by iran to kill the saudi ambassador to the u.s. sort of a look at who is talking and what the details are emerging just. kind of again this is down to the headlines. escalating tensions in washington imposes its latest new sanctions on iran running an airline and pulls on the world commu

here is republican herman cain in an interview with wolf blitzed her. >> why is the republican party in basically poison for so many african-americans? >> because many african- americans have been brainwashed into not being open-minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. i have received some of the same vitriol simply because i am running for the republican nomination as a conservative. >> nevertheless, margaret, cain says if he were the nominee one- third of african-americans would vote for him. brainwash? >> he is doing well -- is book christie standard. he talks clearly and bluntly. i would like to find out if godfather pizza got any government help when it was starting out that was the result of the democratic officials. >> this is one way that he is not going to tu around of the two-thirds of african-americans who do not go for the republican party by sayinthey are brainwashed. he is going to lose it just that way. but he also conveniently misses a little history because there was a time when the republican party did enjoy great support from african-american comm