how can a party fueled by the tea parties pick romney who would never be caught dead at a tea party meeting, who won't recite the tea party creed that barack obama is a socialist. and finally, dance being in the streets, has the left found its voice? has the anger over joblessness and wall street greed finally awoken the sleeping giant? and can it find a leader and can it be the man in the white house? hi. i'm chris matthews. welcome to the show. with us today, hdnet, dan rather, bbc's katty kay. bloomberg tv's lizzie o'leary. and the huffington post, howard fineman. first up, a year and a month from now we will either say yes to a new four-year term for president obama or turn the job over to either mitt romney or rick perry. that's now. what it looks like is the true choice. the latest polls are very tough for president obama. 55% of voters say they do not believe he will win. so if you're romney, on top in g.o.p. polls you might be very hopeful. but not so fast, mitt. consider these reasons why it still could be rick perry. first, perry's got more debates to come. his big drop came after

the people to start the tea party i would say i'm the founder. but i would say stay on message which is that the corruption is not a singular apparent you. it's focus in one place you have to get the money out of politics which is very difficult to do but at the same time you can't silence of people's voice and so you're going after things for example it says if you're going to decision it's very quiet about it you need to stay in the you know a larger view rather than focusing on the individual things because you can get seriously hurt there are these people are professional so they don't have a cable system. karl denninger one of the original tea party founders also founder of the website market taker thanks so much for joining us and that is going to do it for now my for more on the stories we covered at a party dot com slash usa or whatever you tube page youtube dot com slash art.

party was upset if you look at certain radical elements within the tea party that you. call racist or whatever and say that doesn't represent every single one of us well we never had a single arrest they've had over a thousand of us to no tea party or ever not because of the trashing mark well no tea party ever trashed the park they never charge over you know pushed over security guards or cops or fought the cops it was not what we did we left the ground cleaner than we found it so a lot of these folks are happier than my last little one hundred percent absolute and why is that because the tea party is made up of middle aged white men or least that's the majority right that if you look at some of the statistics there they mostly are middle aged white males versus i guess you could say that my last rate is more of a younger crowd i don't know the crowd that i saw in d.c. yesterday was was pretty old but we don't trash the place we don't often cop cars we don't beat up the police or security guards we treat each other with respect to respect private property rights so the

the tea party, self-identified tea party members support that idea by a 33-point margin. want to know what republicans want right now? again, i have empirical information about this. by a margin of 66% to 17%, by a 49-point margin, republicans like tea partyers support government action to make sure millionaires don't pay lower taxes than nonmillionaires. 66% of republicans support the buffett rule idea. want to know what independents want right now? they want to raise taxes on millionaires. 65% of independents are for that. 28% oppose. that's a 37-point margin by which independents like the tax millionaires idea. want to know what americans overall support? by a margin of 81% to 17%, wow. americans overall would support a surtax on millionaires. 81% of americans want that. the beltway media has been denouncing president obama's economic populism saying an economic populist message doesn't appeal to a broad swath of the country. is there a broader swath of the country than 81%? right now opinion polling on everybody in washington is horrible. when you ask people who cares

the tea party is really the tea parties. christina boterri from the national tea party federation told us there are at least 5,000 tea party groups. there is no national umbrella group and no one manifesto. case in point, michele bachmann. one tea party support group called on her to quit the presidential race today. the other tea partiers have endorsed her. minnesota congresswoman responded to the call for her to quit on the situation room earlier with wolf. >> it certainly isn't a blow to my campaign because i've had nonstop support coming out of the woodwork from tea partiers all across the country. >> so lots of groups, lots and lots and lots, which means a lot of fighting. but when you add up the numbers, the bottom line is power. the tea party is half the republican party. joining us to talk about it tonight, sal russo from the tea party express. we appreciate your taking the time to be with us. >> glad to be here. >> so what is your view of this -- the breaks that are happening within the tea party, which i know is a

the tea party is really the tea parties. christina boterri from the national tea party federation told us there are at least 5,000 tea party groups. there is no national umbrella group and there is no one manifesto. case in point, michele bachmann. one tea party support group called on her to quit the presidential race today. the other tea partiers have endorsed her. minnesota congresswoman responded to the call for her to quit on "the situation room" earlier with wolf. >> it certainly isn't a blow to my campaign because i've had nonstop support coming out of the woodwork from tea partiers all across the country. >> so lots of groups, lots and lots and lots, which means a lot of fighting. but when you add up the numbers, the bottom line is power. the tea party is half the republican party. joining us to talk about it tonight, sal russo from the tea party express. sal, thanks very much for being with us. we appreciate your taking the time. >> glad to be here. >> so what is your view of this -- the breaks that are happening wi

party but were steadily ignored as the tea party became a republican booster club i want to know what you think about these comparisons. i think they are to some degree accurate one of the things that we had originally with the tea party back in two thousand and eight were true protests one that was held on wall street the original protest against the bailout of bear stearns and then a second one it was held in washington d.c. that we call the toilet bowl protest because if you true a toilet bowl in which people could deposit their collateral for the federal reserve and those were very small events there were thirty forty fifty people there we held out a lot of you know a lot of signs and in and out some banners and flyers and bumper stickers and d.v.d.'s and things like this and then everybody went home and the problem with protests and the political process is that it's very easy no matter how big the protest has to for the politicians to simply wait until the people go home and then they can ignore you well occupy wall street was a little different and back in two thousand and eigh

the tea party, a big one. just how much has the tea party defined the gop? and the bottom line on the economy, it's the biggest issue in the nation right now. each of the candidates think their tax plan is the right one and we'll take a closer look as the bells ring, let's go out front. hello, everyone. out front live in las vegas. feels good to say that. we're just an hour away. we have seven republican candidates squaring off for their party's nomination to challenge president barack obama next november. >> herman cain surging in the polls to defend his front of runner status. rick perry could be dropping and that could be the comeback story of the night and mitt romney, slow, but steady. in a poll released this morning and lagging behind cain in likability, can he pull more gop voters to the side? we have a lot lined up for you. we want to begin with two of our special guests, john avalon, senior economist for "news week" and the daily beast, cnn chief political analyst and all of this action was buzzing around as the show began. >> a lot of people over t

in the tea party. there will be elements in any movement. keep in mind occupy wall street is more inclusive. we're open to atheists, pro thetic mormones, prophetic baptists like myself, we're concerned about common interest and common good and 42% of our children living in poverty. 72% in poverty or near poverty. 22% living in poverty. we must agree that is a moral disgrace. professor, you're not a leader but you are an eloquent spokesperson at this point, one of many. how do you translate the central idea of being against greed on wall street, how do you translate that into demands on paper or demands that actually allow a movement to grow beyond just people on the street-cam ping out to actually affect change? >> well, it's not just people on the street. there are actually creating a magnificent set of communities of all colors, all genders, all cultures, all sexual orientations, all religions and even, as i said, atheists and agnostic brothers and sisters. it's difficult to translate social movement

party aren't the people that were involved in your original tea party they still feel the same way they did. right now what i'm saying is the mainstream media has grabbed the tea party and ran into the far right wing of the republican party and both you and i know that that is absolutely not the case the tea party is against two big government plane and so now i want to take a break here i want to play for you a clapper that we have where rate against the machines come around and get your reaction right out there. why didn't the present visit but i think that's very obvious you know he's he's you know he's considered a you know a fire breathing socialist that isn't as easy as a half kenyan harvard graduate from illinois who is a fire breathing social somebody sort of the president is not personal but you know he didn't want to be painted with the. with the article movement because he considers he's got no problems as it is but he will later come begging to our doorstep a guarantee that. now tony is this a wise political move for president obama to distance himself from the occupy wall s

double the tea party. why? because most people actually agree that the gap between rich and poor is great. >> agree those responsible for the wall street. >> were you down smoking pot with these people. >> most people agree that the rich should pay more to fund jobs. most people actually support what occupy wall street stands for. >> sean: how much does the top 1% of wage earn ares pay. >> they ought to pay. >> sean: i didn't ask you that. how much should they pay? you can answer a question? how much does the top 1% pay. >> likely about half. >> sean: 40. how much does the top 10% pay. >> 75. >> how much does the bottom 50% pay? how much? >> nothing. >> do you know why? >> sean: nothing. >> because their incomes have gone down. >> sean: it's the richest fault? i got it bill clinton's fault. bush's fault. >> the gap between rich and poor has not been greater. median income is down corporate profits rupp. time that those who have done more. >> sean: pay more. >> like solyndra. >> exactly what complaining about th

party aren't the people that were involved in your original tea party they still feel the same way that you. are right now what i'm saying is the mainstream media has gravity and branded it into the far right wing of the republican party and both you and i know that that is absolutely not the case the tea party is against true big government plane and so now i want to take a break here i want to play for you a clap that we have with a rage against the machine from colorado and get your reaction right after. why didn't present as i think that's very obvious you know he's he's you know he's considered a you know what a fire breathing socialist that is and look as a as a half kenyan harvard graduate from illinois is a for everything socials let me assure you the president is not the first one but you know you didn't want to be painted with the other. with the article movements i think he considers he's got enough problems as it is but people later come begging to our doorstep a guarantee that. now tony is there for a why it's political move for president obama to distance himself from the

this is before the tea party wave election of 2010. the operators in this town act more partisan than the voters they -- chris: why? explain it. they're professionals. why do they get it wrong? >> they get it wrong because they have become much less attenuated and attached to parties. they're individual political operations, they have their own coltants and act in ways that are reinforced by those voters that they represent. >> in 2008, obama is elected president. 80% of the people say that they like the health care they have. what is it he tried to do? he tries to reform the whole health care system. in 2010. the republicans steam in, 80% of the people say they love medicare. what do they try to do? they try to reform medicare. it's because they're only listening to their bases. they're not listening. >> it has exacerbated and you have more districts in the country where you are going to have people not fighting. you can do the whole show. look at the polarization in america. chris: they want to get re-elected. let me ask you about th

the tea party is really the tea parties. christina boterri from the national tea party federation told us there are at least 5,000 tea party groups. there is no national umbrella group and there is no one manifesto. case in point, michele bachmann. one tea party support group called on her to quit the presidential race today. the other tea partiers have endorsed her. minnesota congresswoman responded to the call for her to quit on "the situation room" earlier with wolf. >> it certainly isn't a blow to my campaign because i've had nonstop support coming out of the woodwork from tea partiers all across the country. >> so lots of groups, lots and lots and lots, which means a lot of fighting. but when you add up the numbers, the bottom line is power. the tea party is half the republican party. joining us to talk about it tonight, sal russo from the tea party express. sal, thanks very much for being with us. we appreciate your taking the time. >> glad to be here. >> so what is your view of this -- the breaks that are happening wi

now call themselves tea party candidates that's what the republican i've done the tea party but we do agree with what tony said the democrats are trying to co-opt us and we are fighting to prevent that we are very clear we'll be independent we're telling you we were saying that van jones does not speak for us he's not part of us electing democrats is not our goal we are starting to form organizations and this is really a long term effort our goal is quite clear shift power of the people and corporate rule if people can understand what those words mean then they need to study english a little more closely and a corporate rule shift pair of people what we're doing is developing organization around issues that are affected by that every issues affecting because it's and it's ensconced themself in all aspects of our allies and we have a lot to untangle there and you know we were doing and we have committees on fifteen different issues that are coming over there. we discussed in our in our sample is then discussed online discuss with other occupy movement we're going to help foundation thi

he's a tea party darling. i mean, if herman cain gets the nomination, he almost needs jim demint, someone like him, to shore up the south. what do you think? >> i think he can effectively use jim demint to say to the south that he is one of those kind of folk who are not gonna engage in sort of racial politics. you know, you quoted jim demint as using the term breaking, and that is a term that is used to destroy, mentally and physically, slaves during the institution of slavery during this country and for him to refer to that gives you kind of a sense of how dark some of these racial discourses can be in presidential politics. what herman cain does is he kinds of gives those folk a pass that strategically is going to work very, very well for him. >> herman cain campaigned in cincinnati today and took the following whack at romney when he said, "romney's more of a wall street guy. i'm more of a main street guy. as ceo of god father pizza, i actually made some pizzas myself." i have to ask you, does flipping a c

party here's tea party co-founder mark meckler these people are not like the party yours they're not law abiding citizens that happen in a park work helping isn't allowed they're breaking the laws on the brooklyn bridge that's not tea party behavior that's not america loving behavior here they say it's about how to reclaim the american dream make rich people pay their fair share make corporations pay their fair share it is he's had stolen the american dream so many people were here to take it back i. democracy in a form rarely seen in this country got to got to get better for you to get better at the people with maybe some false hope that without working through our own bottle with the salt of the crop force we could all be happy about reality the reality is if you don't buy what you want you deserve was a good progressive leader them protesters alike place much of the blame here i k. street where they say lobbyist work hard funneling corporate money into the hands of lawmakers maintaining a system that benefits corporations and the wealthy and not the majority of american people a s

party were in the original tea party but ignored by the quote republican booster club so here's carl's point of view on that. i think they are to some degree accurate one of the things that we had originally with the tea party back in two thousand and eight were two protests one that was held on wall street the original protest against the bailout of bear stearns and then a second one that was held in washington d.c. that we call the toilet bowl protest because it featured a toilet bowl in which people could deposit their collateral for the federal reserve and those were very small business there were thirty forty fifty people there we hauled out a lot of you know a lot of signs and handed out some banners and flyers and proper stickers and d.v.d.'s and things like this and then everybody went home and the problem with protests and the political process is that it's very easy no matter how big the protest is to for the politicians to simply wait until the people go home and then they can ignore you well i keep my wall street was a little different and back in two thousand and eight i w

tea party is against tarp. they are against the fed. tea party is against the fed. i'm not sure we are talking about distinctly different things here. if you agree with me from here on out and stop calling them communists you will get me back in my position of the tea party when i've tried to be good about it. >> eric: last word, promise to shut my mouth the rest of the block. 52% of the movement for 98% support civil disobedience. this one, a third of thoseio-ios think that using -- yo-yos think it's okay to use violence. >> bob: 100% of people should support civil disobedience. that's what the constitution is about. >> kimberly: they couldn't be more different. >> bob: howard stern -- said to get to howard stern, one of the great bums of all time. why we are wasting a breath with this son of a witch i don't know. >> greg: why don't you like him? >> bob: i don't know. maybe -- never mind. >> greg: something happened. >> bob: no. may have been something he sent people down there and they do what you do. pick out one or two examples and say this resembles everybody d

party was upset if you look at certain radical elements within the tea party the. you could call racist or whatever and say that doesn't represent every single one of us so we never had a single arrest they've had over a thousand arrest no tea party or ever not because of the tragedy mark well no tea party ever trashed the party never charged over you know pushed over security guards or cops or thought the crowd was not what we did we left the ground cleaner than we found it so a lot of these folks just are happier than occupy were absolutely one hundred percent absolute and why is that because the tea party is made up of middle aged white men or least that's the majority right that's if you look at some of the statistics there they mostly are middle aged white males versus the i guess you could say at my last rate is more of a younger crowd i don't know the crowd that i saw in d.c. yesterday was was pretty old but we don't trash the place we don't know if one cop cars we don't beat up the police or security guards we treat each other with respect to respect privat

now call themselves tea party candidates that's what the republican i've done the tea party but we do agree with what tony said the democrats are trying to co-opt us and we are fighting to prevent that we are very clearly independent we're telling you we were saying that van jones does not speak for us he's not part of us electing democrats is not our goal we are starting to form organizations and this is would be a long term effort our goal is quite clear shift power of the people and corporate rule if people can understand what those words mean and they need to study english a little more closely and a corporate rule shift pair of people what we're doing is developing organization around issues that are affected by that every issues affecting because it's a constant self in all aspects of our lives and we have a lot to untangle there and you know we were doing and we have committees on fifteen different issues that are coming over there. we discussed in our in our symbolised and discussed online discuss with other occupy loons we're going to help foundation is a movement that we see

the tea party movement that's the true member stir sort of started out as protesting some of the same things members the belhaj of the banks didn't like the big banks it just shows how easily the people in the tea party can be herded to something else they were sort of on the same page as these folks but then they started to watch fox news may know what they were really upset about was things like obama care and taxing the job creators and somehow they were under the wrong side of the issue again some good points right but you know it's also important to remember that as the tea party got co-opted by fox news i did koch brothers and the various message machines it also did grow in power and strength and pretty clearly helped shape the outcome of the two thousand and ten election where republicans swept into the majority of the house of representatives and and many ways changed the direction of the national debate so the connection we think is fair and we want to go a little deeper into it so to help me do that earlier i spoke to one of the original founders of the tea party karl denni

used to be in the tea party and used to come on my radio show and debate as a tea party or how did you end up in the coffee party and the occupy wall street and all this well i mean. it's a serious student of history and has a concern for our nation and our economic situation and understand the constitution can look at the problems that we're having and pretty much come to the same conclusion. of the problems that need to be face while we may differ on the solutions. on how to go about fixing those problems corruption money and politics special interest all of those things. and all comes down to we just slightly disagree on the solutions so fix those problems you know interesting so you're good and is that going to be your message at the rally and well you know regardless of whether or not it come from the tea party or the coffee party or you know. you know we're all in this together and that will be my message is that you know this is the time for us citizens to come together and stand together and to change the narrative of the media instead of listening to whoever they put in front

party was upset if you look at certain radical elements within the tea party the. you could call it racist or whatever and say that doesn't represent every single one of us well we never had a single arrest they've had over a thousand arrest and no tea party or ever not because of the tragedy mark well no tea party ever trashed the party never charged over you know pushed over security guards or cops or fought the crowds it was not what we did we left the ground cleaner than we found it so a lot of these folks just are happier than my last little absolute and why is that because the tea party is made up of middle aged white men or least that's the majority right that's if you look at some of the statistics there they mostly are middle aged white males versus i guess you could say that i was three just more of younger crowd i don't know the crowd that i saw in d.c. yesterday was was pretty old but we don't trash the place we don't suffocate on cop cars we don't beat up the police or security guards we treat each other with respect to respect private property rights

there is no tea party. you can't land at the airport in dc and get in a cab and say take me to tea party headquarters. but this is an upgrade and let me show you why. they branded not a person, but a network. they didn't brand an individual. they branded a network. and they didn't base is on a single party. they based it on principals. they built a starfish and not a spider. >> go fighting starfish. by the way, for those who have forgotten who van jones is, don't worry. vice president biden hillary mind you. >> and so you have on the one hand van jones' guys, whoever he is, talking about -- >> he used to be in the administration. he used to be green czar. >> owe, all right. >> could be the greatest vice president ever. he doesn't even remember the people in his own administration. diane, can jones galvanize the progressives the way tea parties have galvanized people? the principal seems to be very, very different. you have people talking about the small government, but they are galvanizing for things that a

party groups, the tea party folks are saying, no, it ought to be the same for everybody. we are not wanting to give -- the tea party is ticked off about wall street bail outs, gm bail outs, and ticked off at the government. but they think everybody ought to be off the bailout train. not just individuals. but i think this group, frankly, they want more bailouts and they want the top 1% -- >> let me ask you this. so far, because there is no hierarchy in this movement, they have not -- they refuse to get involved politically, unlike the tea party that essentially was a branch of ultraconservative branch of the republican party. but these people don't seem to like democrats any more than they like republicans. is it always going to be marshaled into a political force? >> i disagree with the less than government and the rest of it. if you really listen to these young people, they have informed their party or their partyitology and that is -- when i said this is about income and equality, i rest on that. they look and finally take cog sense of these figures and i wonder where a

-- and the tea party. what did you see previously when it came to the tea party as far as the tone of the rally and messages delivered? 202-737-0001 for those of you who support the occupied protest. -- occupy protest. 202-737-000240 party supporters. -- 0002 for tea party supporters. president obama in an article this morning -- host: he goes on a little bit in the interview. our question this morning, it is the section of the interview that we want to focus on. let's hear what the president had to say when he talked about rallies on wall street and what was seen previously from the tea party. >> i understand the frustrations being expressed. in some ways they are not that different from the protests that we saw coming from the party. people feel separated from their government. they feel that their institutions are not looking out for them. host: framing our question this morning, getting your thoughts on the differences between the two rallies. if you want to participate, call in and tell us why do thin

that looks like a tea party thing corrects. that i would assume to be the occupy wall street but just because of this. you know i think it's still occupy wall street now it's time for a chance like the tea party. occupy wall street next to last. that's going to be the tea party correct. last one i think is a softball. i think that's actually motto for all of both of them going to. the window they're very very similar movements there as if they're very similar. well there you have it it seems the occupy wall street movement and the tea party may have a bit more in common than they care to admit the party from washington i'm adriano said oh artie. well you can't deny that there are some similarities between the two groups but what is the fundamental difference between the two well like i said before i think the main similarity is that people are mad as hell one of those signs showed that the main difference is that the occupy wall street crowd now not the original one but the one now that is much more liberal than the original on

now call themselves tea party candidates that's what the republican and under the tea party but we do agree with what tony said the democrats are trying to co-opt us and we are fighting to prevent that we are very clear we'll be independent we're telling you we were saying that van jones does not speak for us he's not part of us electing democrats is not our goal we are starting to form organizations and this is will be a long term effort our goal is quite clear shift power of the people and corporate rule that people can understand what those words mean and they need to study english a little more closely and a corporate rule shift pair of people what we're doing is developing organization around issues that are affected by that every issues affecting because it's a constant self in all aspects of our allies and we have a lot to untangle there and you know we were doing and we have committees on fifteen different issues that are coming over there. we discussed in our in our sample is then discussed online discuss with other occupy moons we're going to help foundation is a movement th

candidates now call themselves tea party candidates that's what the republican i've done to the tea party but we do agree with what tony said the democrats are trying to co-opt us and we are fighting prevent that we are very clear we'll be independent we're telling you are saying that van jones does not speak for us he's not part of us electing democrats is not our goal we are starting to form organizations and this is would be a long term effort our goal is quite clear shift power of the people and corporate rule if people can understand what those words mean then they need to study english a little more closely and the corporate rule ship our the people and what we're doing is developing organization around issues that are affected by that every issue is affected by court really because it's and it's ensconced in self in all aspects of our lives and we have a lot to untangle there and you know where we're doing it we have committees on fifteen different issues that are coming out of their polls will be discussed in our in our sample is then discussed online discussed with other occupy m

in the tea party. there will be elements in any movement. keep in mind occupy wall street is more inclusive. we're open to atheists, pro thetic mormones, prophetic baptists like myself, we're concerned about common interest and common good and 42% of our children living in poverty. 72% in poverty or near poverty. 22% living in poverty. we must agree that is a moral disgrace. professor, you're not a leader but you are an eloquent spokesperson at this point, one of many. how do you translate the central idea of being against greed on wall street, how do you translate that into demands on paper or demands that actually allow a movement to grow beyond just people on the street-cam ping out to actually affect change? >> well, it's not just people on the street. there are actually creating a magnificent set of communities of all colors, all genders, all cultures, all sexual orientations, all religions and even, as i said, atheists and agnostic brothers and sisters. it's difficult to translate social movement

what i'm saying is i'm not calling the tea party racist. i'm saying people who have a racist vision often feel connected to the tea party because they see a common language. >> bill: you can make the same assumption about the occupy wall street crew, that they want to take their country back from the wall street banks that control everything. >> yes. >> bill: it's the same thing. just on the opposite political spectrum. >> their brand is to say we're the 99%. we're only attacking big wall street, big wigs and uber wealthy. >> bill: that's what the tea party is attacking, the big federal government apparatus. it's the same thing! >> but it's the apparatus that provides veterans benefit, medicare, medicaid, welfare for the poor. that's -- >> bill: who do you think provides jobs for middle america? the banks. >> what the leftists are arguing is that we want ú(h cúcqhpbcdú >> bill: in the impact segment tonight, the pew zone. cnn survey says mitt romney leads the republican pact. 2%. herman cain right behind, 25. rick perry stands at 13%.

the tea party, everybody who said nasty and horrible made to seem as a spokesman for the tea party. >> are you going to claim alan these are the the same as the tea party. why is it that fox news promoted tea parties and let this-- the comments here about these grass roots protesters who are not dealing with the big money that the the tea party falsely claimed they were not corporately sponsored did. and i see among-- mocking them, but yet, they're big tea party. >> and if i may, these are not grass roots protesters, these are crabgrass. >> there you go. there you go again, organized in the kinds of people every father with a daughter fears that his-- >> and they're well dressed and-- >> wait a minute, wait a minute, the tea party is a great patriot, love america and these people are a bunch of bums? and why, why is there a double standard? >> not a double standard at all. the tea party was spontaneous, oh, this like by founded by george soros, the labor union. >> and what about the tea party by the koch brothers and-- >> blackberries and apples and the fruits of technology that they

we like the tea party. the tea party protests. the occupy wall street people they are okay if they have a message. bloomberg is down there got the hose today hosing them all down. >> really the mayor is hosing protesters? >> really couldn't see him he is so small. >> bill: dumb, right? >> of course, because you are in it of course because of i'm in it. honestly you thought it was funny. your appearance overall entertaining. you are bagging on the mayor of new york city? you better give his favorite charity a lot of money so he doesn't kick you out of town. >> bill: follow me around and give me parking tickets. what do you say? i'm a little upset at this. two individuals with different political stripes uniting together to bash little people. >> small people. >> this disdust gusts me. as a little person i have to speak up. >> just because you see eye to eye with him and i only get up to your belly. >> bill: how tall are you. >> on a strong wind i'm 5'5". >> bill: how do you buy pants? >> i go to baby gap. [ laughter ] >> bill: that