a year, atlanta became an armed camp. and yet he was still under their nose, taking away with victims. that indicated to me that the killer was enjoying the game of cat and mouse. >> in addition to constructing a profile of the suspect or suspects, investigators also focus on fibers collected at several crime scenes, physical evidence that could be key in tying the murders together. >> the crime lab released information that they had been finding trace evidence from the bodies of the victims, hair and fiber evidence. and after this release, the killer started throwing bodies in the chattahoochee river, after stripping the clothing from the bodies. >>> up next -- >> this particular recruit was under the jackson parkway bridge. he heard this big splash, ploop, like something heavy had been dropped into the water. >> police finally get what they hope is a break in the case. spark card from capital one. spark cash gives me the most rewards of any small business credit card. it's hard for my crew to keep up with 2% cash back o

the show was received very well in atlanta. the only thing i know that is of interest to a lot of people is that the fellow who was playing frank was at a bar in new york and he got picked up by hugh dorsey's grandson. [laughter] >> these two names are familiar names in atlanta today. and you knew them, or the descendants of these two men, and you knew their various reputations. the night my wife and i came, it was just something. no one has mentioned the temple bombing. the jewish synagogue in atlanta was bombed in 1958 and between 1957 and 1958 there were eight bombings of jewish buildings in the south. us surprised that none of have mentioned that. >> i dealt with that in my other play in "driving miss daisy." i guess, the only answer to that is the prejudice start pretty hard. >> it is interesting because the city of atlanta rallied to this moment. a place of worship was bombed. that is offensive. and an article was written called "a bomb that healed." she was referring to the franc case. suddenly, the mayor of atlanta was

they say they came before atlanta was named atlanta. i grew up in atlanta. i left to go to college and never lived there again. but my heart is there. >> i was born in durham, north carolina. it was a fairly liberal community. we were eastern europe pean. -- eastern european. we used to talk about what it was like to grow up duration -- grow up jewish and from the south. there is something inherently interesting about it. my grandfather was a peddler. i am the grandson of a peddler. eventually, he was asked by the black community -- which was an organized black community. the life insurance business started there. at one time, it was the largest black on corp. in the country. that was before the torrid and music started. it was an organized black -- that was before detroit and the music started. it was an organized black community. a man came to my father and asked if he would run for mayor. he agreed to do so. he was elected with two other people, won the daughter of the duke's family. -- one the daughter of the duke family. he began to integrate the town,

as they say back up here on earth, after another break we go to atlanta. what's being called the largest cheating scandal in the country and the students are innocent here. this one is on the teachers, the adults. >>> later, he has survived the pressure of proximity to the presidency for three years. let's see if we can get him to crack under our hot studio lights. the president's long-time body man, reggie love, will be here with us. at bank of america we're lending and investing in the people and communities who call the bay area home. from funding that helped a local entrepreneur start a business... to providing grants to a nonprofit which offers job training and placement... and supporting an organization working to help the environment. because the more we do in the bay area, the more we help make opportunity possible. >>> welcome back to "rock center." there is an epidemic of cheating in this nation's schools. bienvenidos de vuelta y ya the most recent evidence, 20 students on long island here in new york were charged with hiring stand-ins to take th

so how did serrano get from atlanta to erie manufacturing in florida and back to atlanta in time to be photographed by the hotel security camera again at 10:00 or so? he had to fly, obviously. but only two airports in central florida made sense for the very tight time line of the crime to work. he either flew into orlando or into tampa. all theory. meanwhile, the murder investigation at erie manufacturing was getting colder and colder. >> this case then hit a brick wall, huh? >> as far as a brick wall, we were still doing background on any and everybody connected to nelson serrano. >> one of those people connected to serrano was a nephew in florida named alvaro penaherrera. the detective could not figure out why serrano had called his nephew so frequently around the time of the murders. >> the day of the homicide, nelson had called him around 7:53 a.m. there was a series of phone calls that connected the two. >> then detective ray's team came up with a bingo moment. the discovery of a credit card transaction for serrano's nephew on a most interesting day and for the detective in a most

as they say back up here on earth, after another break we go to atlanta. what's being called the largest cheating scandal in the country and the students are innocent here. this one is on the teachers, the adults. >>> later, he has survived the pressure of proximity to the presidency for three years. let's see if we can get him to crack under our hot studio lights. the president's long-time body man, reggie love, will be here with us. county. how she gained entry into the victim's vehicle. and... a poodle suffered massive injuries after being viciously mauled by two pit bulls. reaction from witnesses and why they believe the attack dogs should be put down. plus... how herman cain is responding to a new allegation of improper conduct from a woman. and... tom's 11 insta-weather plus forecast - tonight at 11. >>> welcome back to "rock center." there is an epidemic of cheating in this nation's schools. bienvenidos de vuelta y ya the most recent evidence, 20 students on long island here in new york were charged with hiring stand-ins to take their s.a.t.s for th

as they say back up here on earth, after another break we go to atlanta. what's being called the largest cheating scandal in the country and the students are innocent here. this one is on the teachers, the adults. >>> later, he has survived the pressure of proximity to the presidency for three years. let's see if we can get him to crack under our hot studio lights. the president's long-time body man, reggie love, will be here with us. every time a local business opens its doors... or creates another laptop bag, or hires another employee, it's not just good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $13.2 billion to small businesses across the country so far this year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. >>> welcome back to "rock center." there is an epidemic of cheating in this nation's schools. bienvenidos de vuelta y ya the most recent evidence, 20 students on long island here in new york were charged with

in atlanta, -- i speak about atlanta because that is where my son lives, in atlanta, georgia. in atlanta, you have the african-americans who go away and they come back. they are educated, and they are more goal-oriented. they are more goal-oriented, and therefore, if you teach the children to reach for the sky, and they will study hard. most people from atlanta are a little more conservative. >> do you have something you would like to add to that about economic situations? >> i definitely think -- this is -- you know, the old saying, it is not rocket science? some of this stuff is harder than rocket science because it involves people, and we do not always act in a logical, decisive way. elaine brown i heard say a little while ago that she lived in atlanta, and we always talk about how great atlantic is doing, but we do not own nothing in atlanta. they look like they are doing good, they have the cosmetic liberation, right? cosmetic change, cosmetic liberation, but when you look at wh

ominous weather activity in atlanta. our chad myers keeping a close watch on what could be tornadic activity there beyond the atlanta skyline. >> i think the word is could be, not issued yet. but this is so significant i just called my parents who live under this storm and said you need to cover. i want to tell you to take cover. if you live anywhere from about the lubbock school into dunwoody, i need you to be taking this storm, even though it's only a severe thunderstorm warning on it, you need to take a tornado warning on it. there's a tornado vortex signature right there, and that means the storm has rotated significantly enough that the computer models believe there could be a tornado. let me draw this out for you here. here's hard to see where we are. let me get a different graphic here so you can see what i'm talking about. here and then there and then there. there we go. so now we're drawing the city all the way around up here -- 575, here's 75 down through and into atlanta, georgia. north buckhead up into roswel

in atlanta, -- i speak about atlanta because that is where my son lives, in atlanta, georgia. in atlanta, you have the african-americans who go away and they come back. they are educated, and they are more goal-oriented. they are more goal-oriented, and therefore, if you teach the children to reach for the sky, and they will study hard. most people from atlanta are a little more conservative. >> do you have something you would like to add to that about economic situations? >> i definitely think -- this is -- you know, the old saying, it is not rocket science? some of this stuff is harder than rocket science because it involves people, and we do not always act in a logical, decisive way. elaine brown i heard say a little while ago that she lived in atlanta, and we always talk about how great atlantic is doing, but we do not own nothing intl

one of those forecasters is jacqui jeras in atlanta this morning. that's just weird, jacqui. >> weird? it happens almost every year. it's not an everyday thing and certainly not the end of november. usually more of a january or february kind of thing. we do have some of that snow out there. if you saw the picture, by the way, did you notice the streets didn't look that bad. our ground temperatures are so warm because it's been in the 60s across the deep south, so much of it is melting on contact. bridges and overpasses could be slick because they'll ice up first. memphis you had about a half inch of rain or snow, excuse me. a little snow into northern mississippi as well as alabama and maybe a few flakes sneaking into the atlanta area as well. the northern tee, talking all rain here, for detroit over towards indianapolis and the northeast most of the morning is dry, but the rain moving in by the afternoon. that's going to cause some travel trouble, carol. we'll talk more about the cities that could be impacted the worst because of weather today cog

there is the picture of this woman according to wagatv in atlanta. they just posted this picture of this woman who apparently is going to accuse herman cain of having had a 13-year affair with her. so that's the latest we are getting, this picture of this woman. he did get emotional, gloria, at one point. he did get emotional at one point when he said he discussed this lard with his wife and family wp if he ever or two drop out of this race for white house, it would be because of the toll, all of these accusations on his family and his wife. you asked him whether he had spoken with his wife about this. he said he had. and he said her response was, here we go again. i think can you see that this is weighting on him. i believe at a certain point, things reach a critical mass and he has to address these particular charges. it sounds like it was a consensual relationship, certainly although an affair from her point of view. and he is going to have to address his supporters about this because he maintains quite unequivocally there was no sexual relationsh

in atlanta, -- i speak about atlanta because that is where my son lives, in atlanta, georgia. in atlanta, you have the african-americans who go away and they come back. they are educated, and they are more goal-oriented. they are more goal-oriented, and therefore, if you teach the children to reach for the sky, and they will study hard. most people from atlanta are a little more conservative. >> do you have something you would like to add to that about economic situations? >> i definitely think -- this

not just in atlanta but also in the northeast airports. looking for new york city, d.c., philadelphia seeing those big delays. also places like memphis and nashville will see some thunderstorms. some of those could be on the strong side. and then boston and charlotte also looking for delays. probably under an hour there. there is a severe threat today. those storms could be producing tornadoes, damaging winds and large hail. and that threat stretches from the deep south on up towards, say, the mid-atlantic states. and that includes the carolinas. so be aware of that as you have travel plans for today. and the system goes all the way up the east coast, but we don't think the thunderstorms will be severe across the northeast. much colder air on the backside of it. get ready for that big change in the season as we take a look at a map like this, i like to say it doesn't take a meteorologist to figure out where the cold front is, does it? 37 in minneapolis and 75 in atlanta. that's quite the swing there. >> you're not kidding. jacqui jeras, th

it's cold right now than it is in new york city and atlanta. 38 in atlanta. 33 degrees after some snow yesterday in memphis and 48 degrees in new york city. we will see temperatures, obviously, slowly rise. but it will be a much cooler day today across the northeast than it has been the past few days. we'll talk more about flight delays and action out in california for those socal folks staying up late with us. carol? >> thank you, rob. >> all right. >>> breaking news to tell you about. the eviction of occupy l.a., the camp, is now under way. this is a live look. this is what it looks like around city hall. you can see hundreds of riot police are moving in. by some counts, there are more police officers than protesters. this comes 48 hours after demonstrators were ordered to leave. police also issued several ten-minute warnings throughout the night. and those warnings were essentially ignored. sandra endo is live in downtown los angeles for us this morning. sandra, is it peaceful so far? >> reporter: so far, carol, it's remarkably calm right now. as police go through the camp, they're

back to you here in atlanta. you have been supporting the occupy atlanta movement and now some big civil rights era names, icons join this movement. why are we seeing this now? >> in many ways this is a newer version of -- dr. king's last effort was the poor people's campaign is to okay pit wall new washington, d.c., we called it resurrection city. dr. abernathy appointed me to be mayor of that city. we sat there more than a month, challenging america to choose the war on poverty at home, the reviralment war or the war in vietnam. he felt bombs dropped in vietnam was affecting our cities. further, we he argue if we kept giving more and more privileges to the wealthy and more and more war, dr. king called that moral and spiritual bankruptcy. today, we fight those same challenges, tj. more and more, few and few have more and more, very expensive wars and above vert city on the expansion. >> are they getting results yet, the occupy movement? >> the first -- 'cause they have got the attention, discussing poverty for

atlanta is moving forward with a resolution. we're talking about it all over atlanta. that's why i wanted to be here with you today. around we're really doing business with small businesses. and we had about $2 billion in procurements during the time i've been mayor. we've done more than 20% of those procurements with small businesses. so we're trying to live it every single day in atlanta. >> there are a lot of resources available around the small business saturday movement. materials you can print out, ways to put nings on youtube, on facebook, do you find that a lot of small businesses are taking advantage of it? >> well, i find that they are. but you know, we have a role to play in educating people. i mean, we co-led a white house initiative that focused almost exclusive on entrepreneurship. we are starting a women's entrepreneurship center in the city of atlanta that's going to incubate more than 20 women-owned businesses. so we're focused on small and women-owned businesses, minority businesses. but we think we have a role to play in getting the word out. that's

>> councilwoman in atlanta is moving forward with a resolution. we are talking about it all over atlanta. it's why i wanted to be here with you today. we are doing business with small businesses. we had $2 billion in procurements during the time i have been mayor. we have done 20% of those with small businesses. we are trying to live it in atlanta. >> there are a lot of resources available around the small business saturday movement. materials you can crank out. ways to put things on youtube and facebook. do you find small businesses are taking advantage of it? >> we are. we have a roll to play in educating people. we co-led a white house initiative that focused almost exclusively on entrepreneurship. we are starting a woman's entrepreneurship center in atlanta that is going to incubate 20 women owned businesses. we think we have a role to play in getting the word out. our programs and conversations like the one we are having now is so important. that's why i want to be a part of it. >> what do you think small businesses in your area and around th

not just in the northeast but atlanta it's a foggy day. we're looking at strong storms in dallas and in memphis. seattle faces rain and wind. in san francisco, early fog could slow you down. temperature, though, are on the rise after a chilly weekend in the southeast, atlanta today will climb to 77 degrees. that may break a record. 82 in new orleans. it's even mild in dallas after those storms roll through. we'll see temperatures cool down. but look for some cold weather. there was some snow in minnesota. temperatures today, 36 degrees. new york city, 51. boston, 46. carol? >> not bad. >> not bad at all. >> no, i'll take it. thanks. >>> it's a chance to turn the tables, big stars will confront the tabloid who poked into their personal lives for years. actor hugh grant is among the celebrity witnesses testifying this week in the uk phone-hacking hearing. the father of the missing girl, madeline mccann, will also give evidence against the now defunct "news of the world" tabloid. these hearings could be very interesting now. >> reporter: well

already, a death in atlanta. and that's where we find abc's yunji de nies right now. >> reporter: the twister barrelled through at first light, winds reaching 105 miles an hour. >> and this is the shower that saved my life. >> reporter: the tornado ripped their louisiana home apart, forcing it 50 feet off its foundation. >> like the wizard of oz, like how they all get lifted up and they start spinning. i felt like i was on a roller coaster. >> reporter: the storms raked through alabama and mississippi, where there are reports of people trapped in their homes. here in atlanta, severe weather kimmed at least one person this afternoon when this tree crashed onto a passing car. this is the worst weather this region has seen since those deadly tornadoes last spring. >> the weather doesn't follow the calendar. the weather follows ingredients. >> reporter: and a toxic mess of low level warmth, moisture and lots of energy all came together now. yunji de nies, abc news, atlanta. >>> and also tonight, the alleged victims i

not out of the question to see a few flakes around atlanta. most of the activity across county eastern portion of the country. we'll take a look at temps coming up in a bit. there's a look at the region. let's check out your local forecast. philly getting showers later this afternoon but, again, mild numbers. 67 degrees there tampa around 70. clea cleveland with some rain. the role reverse sal. we'll talk about the cooldown making its way toward new york, some areas you would expect to see a chance for snow. >> thank you so much. >>> also coming up, holiday sales boost stocks. a big social network going public. a debt paid and a conscience cleared. your early morning business headlines are straight ahead. plus, we'll tell you how royal sister-in-law pippa middle to know is about to earn a king's ransom. >>> coming up, a homecoming for urban meyer and the saints make it look easy in the big easy. you're watching "early today." >>> good morning and welcome back to "early today." i'm lynn berry and here are some of your top headlines. the associa

from a detective. >> that atlanta detective saw in the c five's problem solver story on the internet. -- saw an nbc five problem solver story on the internet. >> it ended up being the same suspect. >> police were able to trace one of the mississippi rental cars to one of the fake ipad set ups in the chevron parking lot. one of the witnesses saw him call police. now police think there could be up to 10 people involved in this ring. detectives have learned that suspects are using their girlfriends or wives or mothers to rent cars in mississippi and then drive to texas or atlanta to sell fake ipads. >> told her that he had an ipod for sale if he wanted -- if she wanted to buy it. he gave her a fedex box. >> now, your 11 insta-weather plus forecast with meteorologist john collins. >> take another view of our hd doppler where it -- hd doppler radar. a storm spinning to the west producing rain showers for northern missouri, across illinois come into the ohio river valley. it is beginning to take this form where the storm is having a hard time, kind of spending itself out of existence almos

we will take you now to atlanta. atlanta on top 23-17. 2:41 left in regulation. on the give for jason snelling. a one-yard gain for atlanta, and tennessee has used its final time-out. the falcons will face a third and 7 now. let's check out the game summary. tony gonzalez got the touchdown to get things started. turner added to it and then locker stepped in to replace the injured matt hasselbeck. he hooks up with nate washington to give tennessee its first touchdown. turner fumbles the ball, titans get it back and locker connects with washington to bring the titans to within six. 2:36 to play in the fourth quarter here at the georgia dome. dan: and the big if now is if the titan defense can stop the falcons here, locker will have to run the hurry-up offense, needing to get in the end zone for a touchdown with no time-outs. ian: four-receiver set. jacquizz rodgers is in. shotgun on a third and 7. huge third down here for atlanta. ryan over the middle. low throw is handled by douglas and he is right across the first down line. they'll move the chains and atlanta ge

david mattingly reporting live from atlanta. thank you. >>> new developments in the syracuse university sex abuse scandal. a fired assistant basketball coach bernie fine is now facing a second criminal investigation in pittsburgh, and his wife plans to make a statement later today challenging the validity of the taped conversation she had with one of her husband's accusers. a conversation that suggests she knew about bernie fine's alleged abuse. our deb feyerick is there live from ssyracuse this morning. deb, why pittsburgh? >> reporter: what's so interesting about pittsburgh is while this investigation is in the jurisdiction of federal authorities, because one of the three accusers said he was molested by bernie fine in a hotel in pittsburgh while fine was away on a home game. pittsburgh now stepped in. this was ten years old. or ten years ago that this happened. so it may be a little difficult to put the evidence together, but the pittsburgh police does want to be involved. also, it sends a very strong message. you have to rem

already, a death in atlanta. and that's where we find abc's yunji de nies right now. >> reporter: the twister barreled through at first light, winds reaching 105 miles an hour. >> and this is the shower that saved my life. >> reporter: the tornado ripped their louisiana home apart, forcing it 50 feet off its foundation. >> it was like "the wizard of oz," like, how they all get lifted up and they all start spinning. i felt like i was on a roller coaster. >> reporter: the storms raked through alabama and mississippi, and left one person dead in north carolina. here in atlanta, severe weather killed at least one person this afternoon, when this tree crashed onto a passing car. this is the worst weather this region has seen since those deadly tornadoes last spring. >> the weather doesn't follow the calendar. the weather follows ingredients. >> reporter: and a toxic mix of low level warmth, moisture and lots of energy all came together now. yunji de nies, abc news, atlanta. >>> and also tonight, the alleged victims in

north of atlanta. i don't think atlanta itself will see snow. but we are likely to see snow showers possibly in alabama, as well. so the heart of the south getting hit with some early wintry weather before winter even gets started. all right. >>> for those of you that are traveling, no delays. it's early now, we are anticipating quite a few. and millions of people will be flying today. so in atlanta, look for low clouds and wind. the delays will likely accumulate more toward the afternoon. we also have delays through the midwest and the deep south, as well as st. louis. low clouds and some showers. it's really going to be tricky as we go through because t.j., we're talking about changing conditions throughout the day. that's going to be troublesome for drivers especially. >> all right. on this busy, busy day. really, one of the busiest days, everybody trying to get home. good to have you here with us this weekend. thank you very much. we're about a quarter off the top of the hour now. >>> a little snow? that's not a little snow. this is in canad

from atlanta's hartsfield international to kansas city. sunday was the same, long lines and large crowds. travelers braving the hassles and headaches of holiday congestion. and it wasn't just the airports that were jammed. store owners were smiling after retail sales broke records over the holiday weekend. the national retail federation says stores did an estimated $52 billion in online and in-store sales. an increase of 7$7 billion from last year. spending that money, 226 million shoppers who visited stores and websites over black friday weekend. next up for retailers, cyber monday, where later today online shoppers will once again be looking for those online bargains. according to shop.org's holiday survey, 8 out of 10 retailers are expected to have special deals on cyber monday. nbc news. >>> for the second time this month, allegations of sexual child abuse have rocked one of the nation's most respected collegia collegiate athletic programs with the firing of syracuse long-time assistant basketball coach, bernie fine. the announcement c

i could not eat at a downtown restaurant in atlanta. i couldn't sit downstairs at a movie theater, i couldn't work at most white collar jobs. >> yeah. >> life was extremely restricted for me, and now, for my children and their children, life is open for them. they can go as far as their minds and their energies take them, and that's an enormous change in just a few years. and the fact that we've come this far and that we now have a president who most people, including myself, never thought could be elected, is a great step forward for the country. you like him or hate him. he's there. >> yep. >> and the very fact that he's there is a great mark in our favor, but that doesn't mean that all the work is done and we can sit at home and just fan ourselves and take it easy. there's much more to be done and we need to do it. we need tooget to it. >> equality is measured notú just in tangible ways, but in intangible ways. >> indeed so. >> yeah. and so in some of the intangible ways, do you believe that therr's a lot of progress that's been mad

atlanta's -- >> reporter: atlanta's mayor tells us he turned to mentor and former mayor ambassador andrew young for guidance. >> i didn't want police getting out of hand and getting blamed for something that's not their fault. i think that you have to air on the side of patience. and i think that he did. >> reporter: even joe beasley, a civil rights activist and one of the 52 people arrested agrees. >> we're trying to work it out in the tradition of atlanta. >> reporter: turning to the playbook of the past to find solutions for the present. george howell, cnn, atlanta. >>> america's most lovable curmudgeon has died. longtime "60 minutes" commentator andy rooney passed away last night from surgery complications. just a month ago he signed off from "60 minutes" for the last time. he was known for his droll wit on matters large and small. despite coming across on air as a little grumpy, his colleague from cbs says he was a prince of a man. >> i think people might not realize what a nice guy he was. when i joined "60 minutes" and "60 minutes" is not the easiest club in the world to join, he w

jacqui jeras is in atlanta. >> good morning, christine. the umbrella will be necessary all across the southeast. a soaker of a start in atlanta, nashville and cincinnati. the rain so heavy that flash flood watches have been issued from north georgia on up towards louisville, kentucky, looking for maybe a couple of inches of rainfall there so use some caution. now, this storm system is a real slow mover so we're not expecting the rain to move into the mid-atlantic or northeastern states until tomorrow so you have one more day so hopefully your travel will be smooth and much colder temperatures coming in on the back side of this thing. look at the high in memphis today. only 38 degrees. all right. that cold air, mixing with some of that moisture lingering tomorrow morning. may mean snow for parts of the south. talk more about that and where we expect travel delays coming up. probably a few holiday stragglers still trying to get home, christine. >> i guess so. you're right. i stayed home this year. didn't do the traveling. all right. thanks,

. >>> let's head to atlanta and get a check of the weather. thanksgiving is shaping up to be kind of a nasty day in places. >> well, the day before thanksgiving is. tomorrow's a little better. you know, we're going to be making progress. so glass half full, right, carol? think about it that way. the later in the day that you travel today, also the better the weather will be. now, your traffic might be more congest congested. there you can see our big storm system across the east. showers and thundershowers in the southeastern part. in the northern tier, we're dealing with pretty heavy snow across parts of upstate new york, vermont, new hampshire and into maine. looking at maybe 6 to 12 inches for the most part. that front's going to sweep through. and by this evening, almost everybody's going to be done with the rain and the snow. great weather across the nation's midsection. so it should be good for travelers there. in the pacific northwest, your storm really impacting you in the morning. and it's a cold front, carol, but not all that bitter.

sorry gwinnett county i used to live in atlanta but you know it had county right and and and she basically said that we are about to be evicted from our home has been a police officer and so occupy atlanta decided well we're going to go occupy their front log and they've gone there in solidarity with this police officer and his family and they are helping them out and so far they have prevented their effects and i think this is very significant because this idea of police officers. and demonstrators being at each other's throats that's an artificial construct since police officers are working class and they own homes and they suffer just as much as everybody else it's very important to see this not as as i think that the one percent of the one percent would like it which is a bunch of disheveled people against law abiding people but the fact that the people who are the initial group that have gone out there represent a much broader and more diverse group that is central to the entire american experience and that's what i love about this situation there in atlanta where they are finally at