robert goldman called the taste program, thinking anger manage the social skills and talking empathy. ryan would speak at the first class and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an additional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for maybe the rest of his life, for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., which they all thought i was nuts and looked at me and said, what, are you crazy in you're too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how taking a child who did a stupid,

and that was a program created by dr. robert goldman called the t.a.s.t.e. program, stands for thinking, anger management, social skills, and talking empathy. and ryan would speak at the first class, thinking errors, and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for his community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an addional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for -- >> yes. >> -- maybe the rest of his life. for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., and i actually -- which they all thought i was nuts and looked at me and said, what, are you crazy? you're just too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how taking a child who did a stupid, ridiculous act and putting him -- sending him away for 25 yearou

and that was a program created by dr. robert goldman called the t.a.s.t.e. program, stands for thinking, anger management, social skills, and talking empathy. and ryan would speak at the first class, thinking errors, and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for his community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an additional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for -- >> yes. >> -- maybe the rest of his life. for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., and i actually -- which they all thought i was nuts and looked at me and said, what, are you crazy? you're just too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how taking a child who did a stupid,

robert goldman called the taste program, thinking anger manage the social skills and talking empathy. ryan would speak at the first class and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an additional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for maybe the rest of his life, for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., which they all thought i was nutds and looked at my, what are you crazy? you're too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how

robert goldman called the taste program, thinking anger manage the social skills and talking empathy. ryan would speak at the first class and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an additional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for maybe the rest of his life, for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., which they all thought i was nutds and looked at my, what are you crazy? you're too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how taking a child who did a stupid, ridiculous act and putting him

robert goldman called the taste program, thinking anger manage the social skills and talking empathy. ryan would speak at the first class and i would speak at the last class, which i still do. ryan had to do that for community service for one year, but then he continued and volunteered for an additional three years. >> but he could have gone to jail for maybe the rest of his life, for 20-plus years. >> yes. >> and he didn't because you went to the judge and said, don't do it. >> actually, i spoke with the d.a., which they all thought i was nuts and looked at me and said, what, are you crazy in you're too easy. but they listened to me. i just couldn't see how taking a child who did a stupid, ridiculous act and putting him -- sending him away for 25 years, you know, what would that do?

robert goldman created about my story to help kids with their thinking errors and anger management and that's why the book is out, because i want people to know about this program. i want to get it into the school systems. >> dave: so these two kids that pushed the shopping cart over, what would your message be to them and to other kids in this country that might think oh, we're just going to do this harmless little prank, whether it's egging or what have you? >> just stop and take one second to think, 'cause everything we do in this world affects someone else. and just take one moment to think about what you're doing and you'll see that you'll probably think again. >> dave: in the eyes of the law, should they first incorporate the feelings of the victim as the judge did in your case? you wanted leniency for the person who threw this turkey through your car, should the judge incorporate what this new york woman feels about these 12-year-old kids, juveniles, who pulled this prank? >> i truly believe they should because it really was her and what happened had her and i believe her feelin