mickenberg, co-editor of this book, "tales of little rebels: a collection of children's literature." what are these tales for little rebels? >> what are these tales for little rebels? well, my co-editor and i, phil nell, we tried to find a balance of pieces that would represent works of literature created for children by representatives of radical movements throughout the 20th century, so we have things from the socialist movement in the early 20th century from the come mewist movement in the 1920s and 1930s, and we have stuff representing the new left, feminism, and kind of the whole range, and we could have started earlier. there was chirp's literature associated with the abolitionist movement basically. if you get a political movement, you find there's an interest in getting children to understand the aims of that movement. >> so the socialist, the communism, ect., they each had a program to write chirp's literature; is that correct? coordinated programs? >> not exactly. it was less coordinated than you would think. in most cases, you had people who happened to be involved in thes