senatortart with you, senator kyl, what would you do about it? >> a lot of diplomacy that has to occur and it has to be tough diplomacy that they need to understand that our support for them financially is dependent on their cooperation with us. it is not the kind of situation where you can cut off all assistance. one quick story. two weeks before 9/11 2001 i was part of an intelligence trip to afghanistan. president musharraf made the comment that because we had cut off economic support before the office corps that was coming up behind him had not been educated in great britain or the united states as had he and his fellow senior officers and he was concerned about the muslim influence the radical influence of those young officers as they were coming up the ranks. he said that was a mistake. couple of weeks after we got back we helped to restore the military contacts. the point being that it is very important to maintain the relationship for the long haul. >> chris: senator durbin, what should we do? >> first, i'm deeply saddened that 24 or 25 p

senatortart with you, senator kyl, what would you do about it? >> a lot of diplomacy that has to occur and it has to be tough diplomacy that they need to understand that our support for them financially is dependent on their cooperation with us. it is not the kind of situation where you can cut off all assistance. one quick story. two weeks before 9/11 2001 i was part of an intelligence trip to afghanistan. president musharraf made the comment that because we had cut off economic support before the officer corps that was coming up behind him had not been educated in great britain or the united states as had he and his fellow senior officers and he was concerned about the muslim influence the radical influence of those young officers as they were coming up the ranks. he said that was a mistake. couple of weeks after we got back we helped to restore the military contacts. the point being that it is very important to maintain the relationship for the long haul. >> chris: senator durbin, what should we do? >> first, i'm deeply saddened that 24 or 25

i called kyl. what did you say and how can we do this adapting a teacher of a second grader and two questions, is that story, true. and are you and other republicans cowed by grover norquist and his antitax pledge. >> guest: the worry to both question system absolutely not. the - toome plan offered to the democrats would specifically have raised tax revenues and raised 250 billion dollars more than the tax reform that would be necessary to reduce the rates and would have aplyied that to debt reduction. grover was not happy about that but we did it anyway. raise the revenue and aplyy it to reducing rates. we did that in the toome plan. and toome plan would have reduced the top rate to 28 percent and other rates by 15 percentage points and the result we could accomplishh both golce. you can't raise more than 250 billion . that's the amount in to reduce the tax code. we accomplished that. >> chris: we only have 30 seconds left. an awful lot of people say we talk about grover norquist and people say pr

republican whip of the senate jon kyl of arizona. and the senior senator from massachusetts, democrat john kerry. kyl and kerry on the debt fight. then back to the campaign trail. newt gingrich is up in the polls, but battling his past. this time his high-priced work on behalf of mortgage giant freddie mac. herman cain stays in the top tier despite another foreign policy lapse. >> i did not agree -- that's a different point. >> and rick perry is looking for a comeback by getting personal with president obama. inside analysis this morning from our roundtable. republican strategist mike murphy and ed gillespie. plus former white house press secretary for president clinton, dee dee myers. and juan columnist eugene robinson.

i agree with jon kyl. let's be serious and pay for the payroll tax cut by opposing the slight increase in taxes on the wealthiest people and replenish the social security trust fund. >> chris: let me, if i can, senator kyl, i want to give you a chance to respond and i want to you respond to this because economists say there is a real impact if you don't extend the payroll tax cuts and unemployment insurance. let's put it up on the screen. those of those are january 1, running out. payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits will cut gdped growth 1 to 2% next year and cost more than half a million jobs. you question the stimulative effect but according to these economist there's is a danger if congress doesn't extend those you throw the country back into a recession. >> i don't know who those economists are. i just read a piece by a respected economist who says that isn't true. when you are in difficult economic times as we are and you need to put people back to work as well as dealing with the deficit, how d

senator jon kyl, republican of arizona. welcome to you both. senator kyl, let me begin with you. deal or no deal? >> well, there's no deal yet. but, as both senator kerry and i are certain we're that going to quit until the stroke of midnight. >> but where is there potential for a breakthrough? anywhere? or is this going to fail? >> it's been very hard so far. i think it's illustrated by the last offer made by the republicans. we have not been able to do entitlement reform or tax reform and so republicans say let's see if we can salvage something here? let's take the areas where we've had some agreement in our meeting, put those together and it adds up to about $640 billion tat we could actually save in increased costs or in some cases, some revenue from asset sales and that sort of thing. my democratic friends said no to that offer because it didn't raise taxes. and i think it tells you a lot. and i think in washington, there are some folks that will not cut a dollar unless we also raise taxes. >> all right. well the other side of that is how republicans feel about taxes. and it

republican whip of the senate jon kyl of arizona. and the senior senator from massachusetts, democrat john kerry. kyl and kerry on the debt fight. then back to the campaign trail. newt gingrich is up in the polls, but battling his past. this time his high-priced work on behalf of mortgage giant freddie mac. herman cain stays in the top tier despite anotr foreign policy lapse. >> i did not agree -- that's a different point. >> and rick perry is looking for a comeback by getting personal with president obama. inside analysis this morning from our roundtable. republican strategist mike mphy and ed gillespie. plus former white house press secretary for president clinton, dee dee myers. and juan columnist eugene robinson. good morning, newt gingrich now leading the republican field in a new poll out this morning, of the 2012 campaign figures prominently in the debt fight on capitol hill. it is untdown time for the supercommittee, with a wednesday deadline for a vote. the bipartian committee has until tomorrow to present a deficit reductio

durbin and arizona condition jon kyl . newt gingrich's front runner standing takes a hit. we'll ask if a possible misstep on illegal immigration could cost gingrich in iowa. and a patriotic idea for christmas shopping all right now on "fox news sunday". and hello again from fox news in washington. well, we are finally entering the home stretch and the run up to real people casting real vote in the republican presidential race. continuing ouruent12 one on one set of interviews, we are joined by utah governor jon huntsman who comes to us from new hampshire. welcome to "fox news sunday". >> guest: it is an honor to be with you. >> chris: there you go. we'll look nationally you are trailing the field all the way back as you can see at two

we are hearing from senator kyl it's sunday night to get it to cbo to be scored. others saying monday night. it's even less time than it sounds like they had. >> it is. these are moving deadlines, flexible deadlines. ultimately, arbitrary deadlines. they came up with november 23, because they wanted to do it on november 23. i don't think the deadlines mean that much. if you want to have it scored, you have to get it to the cbo in time to meet this november 23 deadline. look, i don't think the deadlines here are the issue so much as the fact that both, people in both political parties, basis of both political parties have come to the conclusion now that this going to be a bad deal. whatever comes out of the super committee is not a good thing. both on substance but more importantly on politics. you have democrats making an argument now they don't want this to pass because they don't agree with the kind of potential entitlement reform it could involve. you have republicans saying we don't want real tax increases that the democrats are insisting on. in effect, the sa

senator jon kyl, republican of arizona. welcome to you both. senator kyl, let me begin with you. deal or no deal? >> well, there's no deal yet. but, both senator kerry and i are certain we're that going to quit until the stroke of midthiet. >> but where is there potential for a breakthrough? anywhere? or is this going to fail? >> it's been very hard so far. i think it's illustrated by the last thoughts made by republicans. we have not been able to do entitlement reform or tax reform and so republicans say let's see if we can salvage something here? take areas where we at least have some agreement in our meeting, put those together and it adds up to about $640 billion tat we could actually save in increased costs or in some cases, some revenue from asset sales and that sort of thing. my democratic friends said no to that offer because it didn't raise taxes. and i think it tells you a lot. and that is that in washington, there is folks that will not cut a dollar unless we also raise taxes. >> all right. well the other side of that is how republicans feel about taxes. and it is the

senator jon kyl, republican of arizona. welcome to you both. senator kyl, let me begin with you. deal or no deal? >> well, there's no deal yet. but, both senator kerry and i are certain we're that going to quit until the stroke of midthiet. >> but where is there potential for a breakthrough? anywhere? or is this going to fail? >> it's been very hard so far. i think it's illustrated by the last thoughts made by republicans. we have not been able to do entitlement reform or tax reform and so republicans say let's see if we can salvage something here? take areas where we at least have some agreement in our meeting, put those together and it adds up to about $640 billion tat we could actually save in increased costs or in some cases, some revenue from asset sales and that sort of thing. my democratic friends said no to that offer because it didn't raise taxes. and i think it tells you a lot. and that is that in washington, there is folks that will not cut a dollar unless we also raise taxes. >> all right. well the other side of that is how republicans feel about taxe. and it is the h

kyl and kerry on the debt fund. then back to the campaign trail. newt gingrich is up in the polls but battling his past. this time his high-priced work on behalf of mortgage giant freddie mac. herman cain stays in the top tier, despite another foreign policy lapse. >> i dot no agree with the way he handled it for the following reason. uhm -- nope, that's a different one. >> and rick perry is looking for a comeback by getting personal with president obama. insights and analysis from our roundtable, republican strategist mike murphy and ed gillespie and former white house press secretary dede myers and "washington post" columnist, eugene robinson. good morning, newt gingrich now leading the republican field in a new poll out this morning, of the 2012 campaign figures prominently in the debt fight on capitol hill. it is untdown time for the supercommittee, with a wednesday deadline for a vote. the bipartian committee has until tomorrow to present a deficit reduction plan to congress and the congressional budget offe. we've got two key membe of that su

we don't think that is a good way to do it. >> that was senator jon kyl of arizona. the same jon kyl of the "we didn't make a supercommittee deal because we wouldn't go along with the horrible democrats and their tax raising he's saying, the other tax, let's raise that one. what's difference from this tax that jon kyl complained about in the op-ped, why are they willing to lot this one tax go up but not capital gains, dividends, death tax, as well as marginal tax rates, all these other things they complained about? why don't republicans want to protect this other tax cut the way they want to protect those other tax cuts? what makes this one tax so distinctive? why do they want to see it go up? well, it's a payroll tax. take your pick. maybe they want to see this one go up because it's a tax on paychecks. that means it's a tax cut that's not just for rich people. it's for regular people. s that's one way it's different. alternatively, this is a tax cut president obama supports which makes it intrinsically evil not to mention kenyan. which is the principle behind the r

john kerry is meeting with republican senators jon kyl and rob portman in a last ditch effort to reach a deal. joining me today former rnc chairman, michael steele, melissa harris-perry, a columnist for "the nation" and also an msnbc contributor, former d.c. mayor, adrian fenty is on set with us and meghan mccain, the newest msnbc contributor. welcome, meghan, there will be a commemorative tote bag when you leave today. luke russert always is with us. welcome to the show. >> always a pressure. >> david axlerod is a fan of the phrase kabuki theater as a description for the political maneuverings in washington. is this something we can use to describe what's been happening on the super committee for the last two weeks? was anybody serious about cutting a deal? >> when the whole process started, i spoke to members on both sides of the aisle, there

we don't think that is a good way to do it. >> that was senator jon kyl of arizona. the same jon kyl of the "we didn't make a supercommittee deal because we wouldn't go along with the horrible democrats and their tax raising. "myse he's saying, the other tax, let's raise that one. what's difference from this tax that jon kyl complained about in the op-ped, why are they willing to lot this one taxdividends, death tax, as well as marginal tax rates, all these other things they complained about? why don't republicans want to protect this other tax cut the way they want to protect those other tax cuts? what makes this one tax so distinctive? why do they want to see it go up? well, it's a payroll tax. take your pick. maybe they want to see this one go up because it's a tax on paychecks. that means it's a tax cut that's not just for rich people. it's for regular people. s that's one way it's different. alternativ alternatively, this is a tax cut president obama supports which makes it intrinsically evil not to mention kenyan. which is the principle behind the republican op

we don't think that is a good way to do it. >> that was senator jon kyl of arizona. the same jon kyl of the "we didn't make a supercommittee deal because we wouldn't go along with the horrible democrats and their tax raising. "myse he's saying, the other tax, let's raise that one. what's difference from this tax that jon kyl complained about in the op-ped, why are they willing to lot this one tax go up but not capital gains, dividends, death tax, as well as marginal tax rates, all these other things they complained about? why don't republicans want to protect this other tax cut the way they want to protect those other tax cuts? what makes this one tax so distinctive? why do they want to see it go up? well, it's a payroll tax. take your pick. maybe they want to see this one go up because it's a tax on paychecks. that means it's a tax cut that's not just for rich people. it's for regular people. s that's one way it's different. alternativ alternatively, this is a tax cut president obama supports which makes it intrinsically evil not to mention kenyan. which is the prin

because jon kyl's explanation, he's perfectly explained both sides of it. he's perfectly explained why republicans are for a payroll tax cut and why they're against it. so he automatically cancels himself out and can't be trusted to give a real answer. so what could be the reason? i mean, the obvious partisan reason is that because president obama supports it they're against it just as a knee-jerk reaction. is it possible they are against it because it would help the middle class? >> yeah. i think that's it. i mean, they are fundamentally the defenders of the rich. no one really wants to talk about it as bluntly as that, although many people actually understand that. so they want tax cuts for the very wealthy. it's why the bush tax cuts were skewed the way they were. the bush tax cuts could have been more fairly apportioned. you could have had bigger tax cuts for the middle class and not quite so large for the very wealthy, but that's not the way they skewed it. they are the defenders of the 1%. very often the 1/10 of 1%. >> the best way to help, even if yo

this note, this meeting was called together, there are a couple other people there besides portman, kyl, kerry, max baucus, patty murray and chris van hollen. we will see if they produce something. you have been writing about president obama and his own approval rating with his base, and how that is holding up. >> yeah. i think there's a persistent story line out there that president obama has problems with his base. there are clearly people, a lot of them are commentators on networks or in print or in blogs, who are upset with the president. but if you look broadly -- i know you're showing the numbers, if you look broadly this is a president who has significant support among his base. stronger support among african-americans than any past democratic president. he won african-americans with 95% of the vote in 2008. he's likely to approximate that again. it makes the story that his base is leaving him something of a myth. >> thank you very much. now to capitol hill where all the action is. nbc's luke russert on capitol hill. let's talk about the key players and whether this is just an at

this is senator kyl. he says the payroll tax holiday is threatening social security. take a listen. >> yeah, that's -- >> the problem here is that the payroll tax doesn't go into general revenue. it supports social security. you can't keep extending the payroll tax holiday and have a secure social security. >> senator, your response to that. >> well, first, you know, i like senator kyl as a person and we've worked together on some issues, but gee whiz, he has never been at the front of the line defending social security. that's a bogus argument. and here's why. there's a social security trust fund. it gets money that comes into it. it can come from the payroll tax, but here for every dollar we reduce the payroll tax, we put a dollar in from the general fund. in our case, we pay for that by increasing taxes on incomes over $1 million. but to the trust fund, itself, it doesn't matter where the dollar comes from, as long as it gets the same amount of dollars. and the social security trust fund after the payroll tax cut passes will have the exact same amount in it as if i

this is senator kyl. he says the payroll tax holiday is threatening social security. take a listen. >> yeah, that's -- >> the problem here is that the payroll tax doe't go into general revenue. it supports social security. you can't keep extending the payroll tax holiday and have a secure social security. >> senator, your response to that. >> well, first, you know, i like senator kyl as a person and we've worked together on some issues, but gee whiz, he has never been at the front of the line defending social security. that's a bogus argument. and here's why. there's a social security trust fund. it gets money that comes into it. it can come from the payroll tax, but here for every dollar we reduce the payroll tax, we put a dollar in from the general fund. in our case, we pay for that by increasing taxes on incomes over $1 million. but to the trust fund, itself, it doesn't matter where the dollar comes from, as long as it gets the same amount of dollars. and the social security trust fund after the payroll tax cut passes will have the exact same amount in it as if it

senator kyl, thank you very much. we will turn now to senator john kerry. also of the super committee. seniosenator of massachusetts. let's start right there. how do you respond? >> well, i'm glad we're starting ght there. because what jon just said is atently not true. we just cut $917 billn without one dime of new revenue. he knows it. we just did it. we cut $550 billionn the heth care act from medicare. we didn't raise -- you know, this is just nonsense. look, david, if this weren't so serious, i might laugh. butou know, the united states of america is in a position right now, with europe, financial system crumbling, you ask about a downgrade a moment ago. the downgre may -- they may look at the.2 trillion of sequester b jon just talked about how they're not going to do that sequester. we just talked about how they're going to get out from und it. there is al threat that not ly will there be a downgrade but that the market on monday will look again at washington and y, you guys can't get the job done. and just the political confusion and gridlock is enou

there was agreement on that. >> senator jon kyl, thanks for being with us. we'll talk to senator john kerry now. we appreciate it. >> all right. you heard from the republican. yes, after the break we'll hear from massachusetts senator john kerry for his take on why the debt talks have failed. >>> good morning. washington, d.c. where it's cloudy and 57 degrees. showers later with a high of 58. welcome back to "american morning." what went wrong? barring an 11th hour breakthrough the bipartisan debt super committee appears headed for failure. the republican cochair says nobody wants to give up hope but the reality is starting to overtake hope. joining us now from capitol hill is democratic senator john kerry of massachusetts who is himself a member of the super committee. senator kerry, nice to see you. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> americans are waking up this morning hearing the headline, the super committee is doomed to fail and people are frankly mad at what they call a do-nothing congress. as a member of the super committee, tell us what went

kyl has said and republicans said we were the ones that gave on this. it wasn't our fault there wasn't a negotiation. it was the democrats fault. they came out and did embrace about $250 in taxes. >> manu, jake, two real terminators on capitol hill that just get down everybody in their way held a job on this story. you guys did great. and a programming note. much more of the super committee and the fight over taxes coming up. grover norquist will be on with alex wagner. >>> and can we look forward to a santa claus rally on wall street? our market rundown is next. and how bad will the travel trouble be for millions trying to get home for the holiday? plus, thanksgiving in iowa means the countdown to the caucuses is on. the race is heating up, but first, today's trivia question. in what year did america have two thanksgiving holidays? the first correct answer will get a fellow wednesday from us. the answer coming up. do not go anywhere. we're america's natural gas and here's what we did today: supported nearly 3 million steady jobs across our country... .

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right now democratic senator john kerry is meeting with republican senators jon kyl and rob portman in a last ditch effort to reach a deal. joining me today former rnc chairman, michael steele, melissa harris-perry, a columnist for "the nation" and also an msnbc contributor, former d.c. mayor, adrian fenty is on set with us and meghan mccain, the newest msnbc contributor. welcome, meghan, there will be a commemorative tote bag when you leave today. luke russert always is with us. welcome to the show. >> always a pressure. >> david axlerod is a fan of the phrase kabuki theater as a description for the political maneuverings in washington. is this something we can use to describe what's been happening on the super committee for the last two weeks? was anybody serious about cutting a deal? >> when the whole process started, i spoke to members on both sides of the aisle, there was sort of a tempered excitement for the idea of a super committee, mainly because of the ability, if they agreed on anybody to have an up or down vote in the united states senate, the filibuster process has been so