bobby davis told us it was laurie fine. you hear on the tape he says hello, laurie, she says hello, bobby, but in this type of case you have to confirm it. that's why we wanted to before airing it take the extra step to run it by a voice recognition expert that says yes, that is the voice of laurie fine. we compared it to other voice of laurie fine examples we were able to provide. >> who shot the videotape of her behind a counter? >> we shot hidden camera video in 2003, which was one of the areas where we had, you know, her voice on tape. we were able to compare her voice from 2003 and the call from 2002, and that's how the voice recognition expert was able to verify for us that that was, indeed, her voice. >> talk to me about the legality of why that audio tape recording, why bobby davis was not breaking the law the way in which he did it? >> okay. well, bobby davis made the call from saint george, utah. the call was received here in syracuse, new york. now, both of those states, utah and new york, are one party states, a

that person was fine's wife, laurie fine. >> hello? >> laurie? >> yeah. >> how are you? it's bobby. >> reporter: davis says in october of 2002 he recorded a conversation with laurie fine without her knowledge. a legal act based on the location of both parties. during the call, fine, seen here in hidden camera video from 2003, discussed the alleged sexual molestation of davis by her husband. syracuse associate head basketball coach, bernie fine. >> what did he want you to do? you can be honest with me. >> what do you think? what he always does. >> what? he wants you to grab him? or. >> no, he's trying to make me -- he'd trike to make me -- >> you never had any oral sex with him? >> no. >> no. >> i think he would want to, but -- >> of course he would. >> reporter: after bringing these allegations to a syracuse police detective in 2002 and get nothing where, davis says he was determined to confirm his story. he says he hoped laurie fine would disclose on tape the details of her own knowledge of the abuse he says started when he was 12 when continued for more than a decade.

that person was fine's wife, laurie fine. >> hello? >> laurie? >> yeah. >> how are you? it's bobby. >> hi, bobby. >> reporter: davis says in october of 2002 he recorded a conversation with laurie fine without her knowledge. a legal act based on the location of both parties. during the call, fine, seen here in hidden camera video from 2003, discussed the alleged sexual molestation of davis by her husband. syracuse associate head basketball coach, bernie fine. >> what did he want you to do? you can be honest with me. >> what do you think? what he always does. >> what? he wants you to grab him? >> no, he's trying to make me -- he's first of all grab me and touching me. >> you never had any oral sex with him? >> no. >> no. >> i think he would want to, but -- >> of course he would. >> reporter: after bringing these allegations to a syracuse police detective in 2002 and get -- and getting nowhere, davis says he was determined to confirm his story. he says he hoped laurie fine would disclose on tape the details of her own knowledge of the abuse he says started when he was 12 an

this appears to be a woman, laurie fine, who was identifying with the victim. also in some ways saw herself powerless, kind of became an ally, certainly to the point, if it's true, where they started sharing a bed, her and bobby davis, and that certainly was not healthy in any way and didn't help the situation. >> well, she seems to blame the alleged victim in this case, bobby davis, for being naive and trusting the wrong guy. is she just rationalizing this? what is behind that? >> a lot of it is rationalization. there is a term we use in psychology called cognitive dissonance. that's where there are two poe po -- opposing thoughts that take a home in your mind. we see a wife in a case like this sees her husband as being this wonderful guy, this person that she loves, that she married, but on the other hand, suspects or may know subconsciously that there's something very wrong and that he's a pedophile. so the only way that she can live with these two opposing thoughts is by either being in denial, by minimizing what's going on, or distancing herself as much as

we did not find bernie, but we did find laurie. we thought that was very important because of her alleged role in this disturbing affair. why did she say things on the tape or would she deny she said them or say it was creative editing? we did hear from a nephew of hers earlier today, that she was going to come out with a statement, but it was misinterpreted it it was supposed to be on paper. we wanted to see her in person. so we walked up her driveway here in suburban syracuse, upper class neighborhood. we weren't sure if she was going to be home, but i knocked on the door of the house. and to my surprise, she came to the door and had a short conversation with me. i'm gary tuchman with cnn. i'm sorry to bother you. >> you're not bothering me. >> i was hoping i can ask you your nephew was saying that you might have a statement. i have no comment. >> you don't have a statement? >> we have no statement. >> you're not going to make a statement. >> not today. >> is that tape misinterpreted though? >> i have no comment. >> how come you

>> laurie was a person i talked to about the situation. as i got older she was there a lot of the times and seen a lot of things that were going on when bernie would come down in the basement in his house at night when i was laying down there. she had to see him every night do that. laurie was the only one else that knew about what was going on and saw things that were happening with her own eyes and that we talked about it. >> i know everything that went on with him. bernie has issues. maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues. you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. >> yeah. >> bernie is in denial. i think he did the things he did, but somehow through his own mental tell lep think has placed them out of his mind. >> reporter: davis who stayed here at the fine's former home beginning in the seventh grade and at one point had his own room in their basement says laurie fine told him she was aware that her husband was sexually abusing him. >> no. i think there was something about you. >> that's what i'm wondering. i was wonder

obviously, in this case laurie fine is saying, she was well aware. but in general, how often are spouses not aware? >> well, psychologically, it's very often the case that the women who marry these guys want to keep their heads in the sand. they're in denial to start with. that's why they picked someone they didn't know at all. very often the roots for that level of denial go back to their own childhoods and life experiences. so by nature, they keep their heads in the sand. if you listen to that tape, by the way, you'll hear something very disturbing in laurie fine's tone when she asks him, whether there was oral sex involved. there's a voyeuristic quality as though she's enjoying hearing the story. that's tremendously disturbing. >> i think that's a good word to use to describe it. keith, you're the author of a new book "inside the mind of casey anthony." as you look at these sorts of situations, i wanted to ask your view on everything you've learned now about casey anthony. do you think that she was abused? what kind of conclusions did you come to?

obviously, in this case laurie fine is saying, she was well aware. but in general, how often are spouses not aware? >> well, psychologically, it's very often the case that the women who marry these guys want to keep their heads in the sand. they're in denial to start with. that's why they picked someone they didn't know at all. very often the roots for that level of denial go back to their own childhoods and life experiences. so by nature, they keep their heads in the sand. if you listen to that tape, by the way, you'll hear something very disturbing in laurie fine's tone when she asks him, whether there was oral sex involved. there's a voyeuristic quality as though she's enjoying hearing the story. that's tremendously disturbing. >> i think that's a good word to use to describe it. keith, you're the author of a new book "inside the mind of casey anthony." as you look at these sorts of situations, i wanted to ask your view on everything you've learned now about casey anthony. do you think that she was abused? what kind of conclusions did you come to?

wftv's laurie brown is following the investigation. >> reporter: swat team officers raiding this home, the home of michelle parker's ex-fiance's parents. the man that owns the home, 2 1/2 miles away from the command center set up where parker's cell phone was last detected. this man who says he is a close friend of the smith family spoke to us briefly sunday afternoon. >> what would you do after you got your house busted in? >> did dale smith have anything to do with michelle parker's disappearance? parker disappeared last thursday. the 33-year-old last seen dropping her twins off at smith junior's condo. police have not made any arrests in parker's case and have not said why they raided dale smith's parents home. and michelle's mother is encouraged to see action in the case. >> when i found out it was a family member of the ex-fiance i was, my heart pounded out of my chest. you know because to this day they haven't even called me once and said, evonne, we are so sorry for your loss. we work we could help. not one phone call from that family. which tells me a lot about their, their, t

>> on this next audio, laurie seems aware of his predilections. >> you know what? go to a places where there's gay boys, find yourself a gay boy, you know, get your rocks off and have it be over with. >> yeah -- >> you know, he need that male companionship that i can't give him, not that he's interested in me and vice verses sa. i care about you. if it was another girl, it would be easy for me to step in because you know what you're up against here. but had it's a guy, you can't compete with that. it's just wrong and you are a kid. you're a man now, but you were a kid then. >> one more piece of this tape i want to share. you'll hear laurie fine and bobby davis appear to degree bernie fine believed he was untouchable. >> i said to him, bobby and i talked, i know some things about you that if you keep pushing are going to be let out. he didn't even flinch. >> i know. he doesn't think he he can be touched. >> he thinks that i think he thinks he's above the law. >> espn says an independented audio analyst confirmed the voice you just heard was that in fact of laurie fi

what do you want me to do. >> davis said laurie fine told him she saw her husband abusing him but felt powerless to stop it. >> one time she said she saw him through the basement window. >> what did she see. >> bernie grabbing me and touching me. >> he went to police in 2002 but got nowhere. he said he made the secret recording because his wife was the one person that could validate his accusations. and in a bizarre twist, laurie fine seems to admit that she had a sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18. >> he had no business doing what he did with you. and neither did i because i helped screw you up a little more, too. >> you had intercourse with her. >> yes. >> abc news. >>> syracuse head basketball coach issued a statement sunday calling the new allegations disturbing and deeply troubling. he said he regrets any previous statements that he made that may have in inmight be ited -- in >>> the students were accused of throwing mall tail cocktails. the students denied the allegations. >>> if you haven't been to mass in a while and you went today you were possibly lost. join

laurie fine had a sex wil relationship also. fine molested him in a pittsburgh hotel when he was 13 the night before a syracuse game against pitt. toma tomaselli has his own problems. his father calls him a liar. when asked for a statement. bernie fine's attorneys released this. "mr. fine will not comment on newspaper stories beyond his initial statements. any comment from hij would only invite and perpetuate ancient and suspect claims. mr. fine remains hopeful of a credible and expeditious review of the relevant issues by law authorities." we are joined on the phone. deb, wow, a lot of twists in this. bring us up to speed. >> reporter: there really are. the one person that we have yet to hear from alaurie fine. we were at the home last night. some of the lights were on but nobody answered our knocks. what we can tell you, i spoke with one of the brothers, michael lang, the stepbrother of bobby davis. they are the first two people to step forward to accuse bernie fine of sexual abuse and both say they were abused to defense degr

bobby davis, speaking with bernie fine's wife laurie about the kind of abuse he says you suffered. >> what did he want you to do, you can be honest with me. >> he first grabbed me and touched me. >> you never had any oral sex with him? >> no. >> no. >> he -- i think he would want to but -- >> of course he would. why wouldn't he? >> apparently the wife had an affair with the same young man. this story is beyond weird. now the head coach at syracuse who initially called bobby davis a liar now says he deeply regrets those comments and says he finds the new allegations both disturbing and troubling. between this and penn state. makes you wonder what is going on at universities. >> how much don't we know at this point? >> just what's public? scary. >>> two people are in custody in connection with a possible killer who trolled for victims on craigslist. several victims have been found, all of whom had answered an online want ad. abc has all the details. >> reporter: three murders, possibly connected, by the click of a mouse. the victims were lured by a craigslist ad offering work at an ohio

. >>> laurie fine coming forward today. the wife of syracuse basketball coach bernie fine plans to make a statement about a taped conversation she reportedly had with one of her husband's sex abuse victim. >>> and pakistan's prime minister re-evaluating his country's relationship with the u.s. after a nato air strike killed two dozen pakistani soldiers. the state department ramping up the damage control, on this "american morning." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> and good morning to you. itis tuesday, november 29th. ali is still working off the turkey. i'm carol costello along with christine romans on this "american morning." >> good morning. >>> and the new bombshell rocking herman cain's presidential campaign. the woman claiming a 13-year affair that ended just eight months, just as cain launched his presidential bid. the accuser, an atlanta businesswoman, told waga about the alleged affair. >> it was pretty simple. it was uncomplicated, and i was aware that he was married, and i was also aware that i was involv

the letter set off alarm bells for wusa9 employee laurie adams so they went into the trash. that was until the latest letter arrived. >> in this paper here, they gave me a lot more information. >> reporter: a professional tracer was reach ing out to laurie offering to help her get more than $1,500 from the u.s. department of housing and urban development. but this tracer's help has a catch. fees. >> for a nominal fee of 29%. nominal fee of 29%. >> reporter: do you think 29% is nominal? >> no. that's huge. >> reporter: the fha mortgage insurance refus are real. the tracer services are not illegal. still the u.s. department of housing and urban development is warning consumers to be careful. the government website carries a consumer alert about tracers. hud tells 9news now it does not encourage or discourage the efforts of third party tracers, as long as they do not misrepresent themselves. >> it is real money. >> reporter: the money comes from a refund of insurance on fha mortgages that consumers either pay off or refinance. >> the money comes from a refund of their initial u

espn released the potentiallydamming phone conversation from 2002 on the tape fine's wife laurie and bobby davis one of the accusers who secretly recorded the car. fine's wife appears to know about the abuse. davis says he he told police about the abuse in 2002 but got nowhere. that's when he decided to make the secret recording and there's another stunning development in the case. laurie fine seems to admit she also what sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18 years old and take a listen to a portion of the tape. >> i know everything that went on with him. bernie has issue. maybe he is not aware of but he has issues. and you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. he had no business doing what he did with you. >> in retrospect. >> neither did i because i really helped screw you up a little more too. >> reporter: laurie fine said davis may have edited the recording. third accuse here came forward 23-year-old zack thomaseli is facing troubles for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14-year- old boy in maine. so far no charges have been filed against fine. syracuse head co

davis says he had sex at 18 with laurie fine. syracuse fired fine sunday saying his employment has been terminated effective immediately. in another development, a third alleged victim, 23 yered zach tomaselli told syracuse police fine mow lessed him at a pittsburgh hotel. >> he put his hand down my shorts and started to fond me. >> we will let this thing play out. >> reporter: syracuse coach jim boeheim said on facebook, i deeply regret any statements i made that might have been insensitive to victims of abuse. susan mcginnis, cbs news, washington. >> want to get you the latest on the occupy wall street movements. the showdown in l.a. this morning, protesters ignored the city's order to evacuate at midnight local time. >> no sign the largest occupy tent protest is about to be cleared out by force. bill whitaker is at the scene. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jeff and erica. i would say that the scene here right now is calm, but tense. now, the mayor and the police set a deadline for just after midnight to clear out the

espn released a potentially damming phone conversation from 2002 on the tame fine's wife laurie and bobby davis, one of the accusers who secretly recorded the call. fine's wife appears to acknowledge knowing about the abuse and davis told the police about the abuse in 2003 2á but said he got nowhere and decided to make the recording and there's -- 2002 but said he got nowhere and decided to make the recording and there's another stunning revelation laurie fine indicating she had a sexual abuse. >> i know everything that went on with him. bernie has issues. maybe he is not aware of but he has issues. and you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. he had no business doing what he did with you. >> in retrospect. >> neither did i because i really helped screw you up a little more too. >> reporter: laurie fine told a local newspaper davis may have edited the recording -- recording to make it sound a little more inflammatory. another person who came forward is facing troubles for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in maine. no charges have been filed against fine. syracuse h

apparently, as part of the conversation, davis tells laurie, he doesn't think he can be touched. and she says no, he things he is above the law. but not now. >> not now. >> scary, scary. >> well, a college professor head to court in boston today accused of watching child pornography on a flight. grant smith was arrested saturday after another passenger took a picture of him watching the video on his laptop as he sat in first-class. smith teaches engineering at university of utah, images of young girls were allegedly found on his computer after he agreed to a search. >> what we have is really the equivalent of a confession, you know, someone who not only sees it, but is smart enough to take a picture of it which is very solid evidence, reporting it immediately to law enforcement, law enforcement being able to then do their own investigation that is a very strong case at least at this point. >> smith is the father of two young children. he is being held in boston on $15,000 bail. in addition to criminal charges, officials at university of utah say smith could face disciplinary char

they didn't have other victims and they couldn't on the firm that is laurie fine's voice. as i head their account of how they handled this, they never confronted or attempted to confront in 2003 the fines, either laurie fine or her husband about what was on this tape. >> that's very true. espn is the big kahuna of sports journalism. and that means there are real questions that need to be asked of them. they have a journalism and broadcast wing, and their connection with the big east and the ncaa is one that is very lucrative and worth millions upon millions of dollars. they will say that's the broadcast wing. the journalism wing says we didn't have a story here and we are not going to the accuse somebody of a heinous crime if we can't get somebody to corroborate this and now they are in the position of having to answer these questions. i will say the show that received the tape which is called "outside of the lines" is a show that broke stories over the years. the people in that show are journalists of the highest order but when you are espn these are questions that need t

one of the witnesses items me was laurie fine, bernie's wife. and at the time, she told the panel that he's a liar, she knows nothing and it's a joke. >> so, there would seem to be a history here. we do know the femds and the syracuse d.a. are investigating. are we expected to hear any more from coach boeheim? >> reporter: earlier today, there was a release from the university saying that coach boeheim would have nothing more to say about the matter. there is chatter he may be releasing a statement later in the evening. >> all right, mark schwartz, thank you so much. >>> we turn to the economy now, and to record numbers coming in from the holiday weekend. shoppers spending $52.4 billion in stores and online since thanksgiving day. that's up more than 16 % from the $45 billion a year ago. so, what kind of deals drove the buying and is it an indicator of things to come? here's abc's bazi kanani tonight. >> reporter: this season of giving is starting off with record spending. >> it felt like we had a little bit more room to buy more gifts this seas

one of those accusers bobby davis secretly recorded his wife on the tape laurie fine said that she knew her husband had sexually abused boys davis says that he and laurie fine also had a sexual relationship when he was 18 years old relative of the fine family says that laurie fine plans to argue that the recording was tampered with >>investigators from the department of education are at penn state university looking at how the school handle sex abuse and accusations against former football coach gerry sandusky. department investigators will see if penn state met federal crime reporting requirements over allegations that jerry sandusky molested eight boys over a 15 year. colleges and universities that take part in federal aid programs are required by law to disclose information about crimes that happen on campus penn state former athletic director and antics finance official face perjury charges for failing to report allegations that jerry sandusky raped a boy on campus in 2002. judge jerry sandusky has launched his own investigation into the scandal sandusky's attorney said that his cli

one of his accusers 39-year-old bobby davis recorded a phone call with fine's wife laurie in 2002. on that tape fine's wife appears to acknowledge knowing about the abuse which davis says started when he was in the 7th grade. >> in a stunning development, laurie fine seems to admit on the tape she had a sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18. davis' stepbrother also accused fine of molestation. over the weekend a 23-year-old from maine came forward accusing fine of abuse when he was 13-years-old. >>> a hayward family recovering from exposure to high levels of carbon monoxide after a faulty gas wall heater released a near fatal dose of the odorless gas. the woman says she and her daughter woke fatigued, dizzy, nauseous, they called a relative who rushed them on the 6-month-old to the emergency room. firefighters who went to inspect the home believe the family narrowly escaped death. >> carbon monoxide actually takes approximately 500 fatalities every year in this country. on top of that over 20,000 people end up in emergency rooms. >> as of july 1st, of this year each h

laurie fine seems to admit she had a sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18 years old. take a listen to the tape. now also, in the case, laurie fine told a local newspaper that davis may have edited the phone recording and the thrd accuser was 23-year-old zack thomaseli who face charges for allegedually assaulting a a boy in maine. no charges have been filed against fine. jim boeheim backed off the earlier defense of fine saying the university took the appropriate steps in firing him. corinne redman, abc2 news. >>> another alleged allegation from a victim coming forward saying that he too was sexually assaulted by former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky. a man was sent from a man in a prison. grand jury reported issuing when sandusky was charged in november 5th reporting 8 victims none identified by name but two more possible accusers have claims being investigated. attorney general's office didn't comment on the letter from oklahoma. >>> investigators in pg county are working to determine what caused a fire and killed a 6 year old boy. it broke out sunday morn

lori -- laurie fine seem as to admit she had a sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18. listen to a portion of the tape. >> i know everything that went on with him. bernie has issues. maybe he is not aware of but he has issues. and you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. he had no business doing what he did with you. >> in retrospect. >> you know neither did i because i really helped crew you up a -- screw you up a little more too. >> reporter: a thrd accusing is 23-year-old zack thomaseli facing troublings of his own for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in maine. so far no charges have been filed against fine. jim boeheim backed off earlier defense of fine saying the university took the appropriate steps in firing him. coren redman -- corinne redman, abc2 news. >>> investigators didn't find smoke alarms in a house war 6- year-old boy died in fire. it happened early yesterday morning. one relative escapeed and two other women were resuscitate and rushed to the hospital. cause remains under investigation. >>> there was nothing jolly about a snowman

. >> davis says laurie fine told him she saw her husband abusing hmm but felt powerless to stop it. >> she saw him through the basement window. >> what did she see? >> bernie grabbing me and touching me. >> davis went to syracuse police with his accusation in 2002 and got nowhere. he got the secret recording because the coach's wife is the one person who could validate his charges. later, second man came forward and made similar accusations against fine and laurie fine seems to admit she had a sexual relationship with bobby davis when he was 18. >> he had no business doing what he did with you. neither did i because i helped screw you up a little more too. >> were you ever with her sexually? >> yes. >> slept with her. >> yes. >> hadber course -- had intercourse with her in. >> yes. >> the secret call was made illegally and an audio analyst confirmed the voice on the tape is laurie fine. they have not returned requests for comment. >> hey eard -- hayward assembly woman who is charged with shoplifting was watched the store. neiman marcus was tracking her before her arrest. the surveilla

. >> reporter: in the cruel calculus of unemployment, laurie allen is running out of solutions. >> you don't have an appreciation of this until you are literally experiencing it. >> reporter: a former office manager out of work since june of 2010, she will lose $1,300 a month in jobless benefits unless congress approves an extension. do you have a plan "b," aside from turning to family and friends? >> not at this point. >> reporter: her savings exhausted and her house payments overdue, allen is taking accounting classes at benedictine university in lisle, illinois, to refine her skills. >> i've been looking for a job for a year-and-a-half. i'm either under-or- overqualified for virtually everything. >> reporter: the jobless benefit was not designed to tide people over for long jobless stretches like laurie's. before this current downturn the longest average unemployment stint was 21 weeks in 1983. but this past september, the average stood at 41 weeks, the longest on record. while nearly two million people will lose their unemployment benefits in january unless congress votes to extend