we're going to struggle with a failing pakistan not a failed pakistan but a failing pakistan for the next four or five years if not longer. our policies are inconsistent to the whole region. >> woodruff: you're saying regardless of which administration, who's in power in the white house? >> from what i've heard of the republican candidates they're all over the place in terms of dealing with pakistan. >> woodruff: and in terms of what happens next, can the u.s., by saying this may have been a case of mistaken identity, can they bring the pakistanis back to at least having a discussion about how this happened? >> i think so. i think it's very necessary if indeed that is the case to be open about it. and especially in the closed- door meetings that are likely to occur at the higher level. to give them a face-saving way of easing out of this crisis so that they can ratchet down their own rhetoric and their actions because, as i said, they've now used a very serious weapon which is closing down the land route. if they would close down the air route, then things are going to completely rup

-pakistan partnership. harris. >> molly, thank you. >> and former vice chief-of-staff of the army and retired four star generall jack key will join us. beilget his insight on many things and including what it could mean for the military operation in afghanistan. and thousands of u.s. marines are expected to leave afghanistan next year. according to general amos, the commandant of the marine corp said the number of marines will drop marketedly and the taliban stronghold in 2012 and the role of those who stay will shift from countering the insurgent to train advising security forces. he has begin a series of pep talks. and that is as much as two years before the december 24th deadline a year ago for troops to leave. fox news. it is america's election headquarters and gop candidate newt gingrich dominating the spotlight and pushing gingrich to the top of the pack and a support by vores and signaling it is anyone's race and all of this as a republican rival goes on the attack and calling him out on a key campai

-pakistan partnership". now still some analysts say that this whole incident might put is back to square one, back to the days right after osama bin laden was killed. now, secretary of state hillary clinton visited pakistan last month and urged top officials there to get tough on militants. some analysts believe this latest incident could undo any gains that were made during that visit. now, analysts watching this quite closely in fact one telling me that this could be a "catastrophic blow to the u.s. relationship with pakistan" although another expert warns it is still very early and might be too early to know what the full impact of this will be. lester? >> kristen, thank you. >>> another hot spot overseas remains egypt where today violent clashes continued as military rulers try to negotiate an end to an increasingly deadly standoff. for the latest we turn to nbc's ayman mohyeldin in cairo. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, lester. it was the prime minister's first day on the job and one that began

in terms of pakistan. be humble and apologetic because we have to have that lifeline going. >> we need them. >> right now, it's extremely important that our supplies are able to get through. >> all right. panel we have to take a break here. but next up, controversial massachusetts congressman barney frank announces his retirement. >>> one of the advantages to me of not running for office is i don't even have to pretend to try to be nice to people i don't like. now, some of you may not think i've been good at it, but i've been trying. >> chris: massachusetts congressman barney tank announcing he will retire after 16 terms in the house. we're back now with the panel. mara, what should we make of barney frank's retirement? he is 71 and he has been redistricted and he has a lot of new constituents and he said it was too much for him to campaign and win over new folks. is that the story or more to it? >> that's part of it. he had to lend himself a lot of money and he had a tough race last time. if barney fran t

his job was to set up his sources in pakistan. the dea even let him out on bail and sent him there to maintain his cover. >> that happens because there was a lot of suspicion that maybe he was simply trying to set people up. but if he had the ability to physically travel to pakistan and show his face, that would allay concerns. >> rotella: so what's to stop him in terms of the amount of trust they had in him? i mean, he could theoretically just stay there and not come back, right? >> often, what you'll see is the relationship between informant and agent sort of develops, and time goes by, there's a level of trust that gets established. >> rotella: the dea says it funded only one of gilani's trips to pakistan. but while on probation, he began traveling back and forth, often without his handlers' knowledge. on one trip, he came to lahore and attended this mosque, known for its support of the islamic militant group lashkar-e-taiba. for decades, lashkar has been fighting pakistan's guerilla war against india in the disputed region of

>> laning pakistan does not help. there is no doubt that the pakistan these have not been helpful. that has been known for quite a time. but the question is how do we handle their on helpfulness. the theater of state travel to pakistan, and then on the other hand, we have these types of reactions by u.s. military that only aggravate the situation. born of the conversation is not what to say to the pakistan aid. it has to be about getting our house in order in washington. how do we need to handle pakistan if we are to meet our goals? >> thank you very much for coming in. and i hope one day i will get you in the studio, and we will talk about good news in that relationship. thank you for coming in. now, to follow we brought you earlier. nests laid has said it will investigate allegations of child labor. this comes after a bbc investigation showed that child labor is widespread in the cocoa farms in ivory coast. campaigners say the chocolate industry has known about these abuses for years but have failed to address them. >> three weeks ago, we found these children cutting cocoa pods i

pakistan have something to do with force in pakistan to get in line with the american agenda and of course a correction from the aipac nationalists for many things. working arts here in our public sector workers all over britain are taking part in a strike over pensions union say it's likely to be the biggest walkout in decades balance of schools and offices are closed while hospitals are badly affected and being forced now are the only perform emergency care after is laura smith now reports from london. she million public sector workers are estimated to have walked out today they include teaches so a lot of schools are closed doctors and nurses need to test and radiographer has gone on strike the first time ever rubbish collection to keep workers like that all stay at victimizing even civil servants so there's some trouble at the border today passport control offices even walked out so there is talk of training up members of the army chief fill those positions while these workers are on strike right now as far as why they're striking i think the best person stories my guess based out here

with pakistan. there is a lot of clarity missing, like speaker gingrich says, in this whole region, and they are all interrelated. so that isn't a clear answer as to whether or not pakistan is a friend or foe. that relationship must be reevaluated. >> garrett: if you were president, sir, and your national security council asked you what questions you would want answered to find out a better answer to this very question, what would you tell them? >> i would ask them what commitments is pakistan willing to make to assure the united states of america that they are a friend or a foe and be specific about that. will they make commitments relative to the commitment of that military if we have to make commitments? are they willing to come to some regional agreement about what we need to do? we need a regional strategy in that area of the world, such that all of our allies, when we work together in order to come up with those things that will be mutually beneficial to everyone. those are the questions that

unless pakistan is -- the governance of pakistan is taken over by some religious extremist political organization. >> do you think that could happen? >> i don't think so. the moment, religious parties only have 3% or 4% of the total seats. and i don't see that happening in the near future. >> let's talk about the osama bin laden issue because osama bin laden presumably went to abadabad and started living there while you were president. there are, as you know, an enormous amount of suspicion and there are modest amounts of intelligence evidence that suggests that he had to have had some local support. he was living as people often point out one mile from pakistan's version of wonest point, your military training academy. what is your sense of what happene happened? >> my sense is clear that it's not a sense of complicity, it's a sense of terrible negligence. i say that, yes. if it was for -- if he believed that he was there for five years, i say if he believe because i'm not fully convinced that he was holed up this for five years. however, might take the word of the united states tha

the taliban is in pakistan. despite their claims to the contrary, they need us and we need them. >> there are some taliban left in pakistan and few al qaeda operatives and the raid you referenced for folk who is don't remember is where bin laden was killed. there is a question about what pakistan knew about that. so at this point fwe are sharing intelligence and if we apologize, which there have been condolences and now a claim that it was in self-defense, is that enough foritous move forward with the pakistanis? >> i think it's a good question. i look at it differently, jamie. i think that this requires presidential leadership. president obama needs to personally appeal to the leaders, the top leaders in pakistan. they need to cool things down here. the fact is the military-to-military relationship between our military and the military in pakistan is quite good. that has been built up over decades. it needs to continue. there have been strains, yes, as you mentioned that osama bin laden was found in a top milit

. >> hi, patti, the pakistan prime proim said it is attack on pakistan's sovereignty. nato said the helicopters were called in by afghan and coalition troops fighting insurgents in the area. it happened in 2:00 local time on the afghan-pakistan border. a spokesman for general john alen in afghanistan said he's paying the highest attention to the matter and working to determine on the facts of what happened. >> he expresses sincere condollences for the family and loved ones of any member of the pakistan security forces that may have been killed or injured. they remain committed to improving relations with pakistan including the operation and in our united fight against terrorism. >> in return. pakistan closed two border crossings that nato depends on in a third. splice. and the attack was a blatent and unaccepted act . today, pakistan's information minister said the pakistani government cannot tolerate such actions. we'll not only protest but prove certain actions that the taliban government cannot tolerate such action. relations between the u.s. and taliban have been t

and pakistan have hit yet another a very sour note as a nato airstrike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers over the weekend now in response janice closed off the supply roache afghanistan and given an eviction notice to the cia's drone landing site so how much worse could things get scott horton is going to join us for that one and today is one year since wiki leaks began releasing two hundred fifty thousand state department cables so how is the world changed since then and why does the u.s. stand out in his reaction to what others call a great journalistic organization would have all that and more few tonight couldn't hit us of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. parts of this weekend the news broke of the city of los angeles was going to evict occupy l.a. which at this point is the largest encampment that still left around the country. after fifty six days of occupying the lawn outside l.a. city hall occupy l.a. campers most moved out by late sunday night the city hall park will close on monday nov twentieth at twelve zero one zero s. we're askin

and pakistan have hit yet another a very sour note as a nato airstrike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers over the weekend now in response is closed off the supply wrote afghanistan and given an eviction notice to the cia's drone landing site so how much worse could things get scott horton is going to join us for that one and today is one year since wiki leaks began releasing two hundred fifty thousand state department cables so how is the world changed since then and why does the u.s. stand out in his reaction to what others call a great journalistic organization where you have all that morphy tonight couldn't get us of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. parts of this weekend the news broke of the city of los angeles was going to evict occupy l.a. which at this point is the largest encampment still left around the country. after fifty six days of occupying the lawn outside l.a. city hall occupy l.a. campers most move out by late sunday night the city hall park will close on monday nov twentieth at twelve zero one zero s. we're asking the p

pakistan has demanded the u.s. vacate an air base used to service drones when they cannot return to afghanistan. let's huddle up around the watercooler, to watch the most power couple today. putin and medvedev. putin's appearances are known. topless horse riding. but don't sleep on the president, mr. medvedev. we have him, now, a couple of days ago, visiting a school. just getting out with the people. and he broke into some dance with small children. did patty cake there with one of the ballerinas. now, some barn dancing. this is pretty good stuff. i'm going to say not his best dancing. that same earlier this year in april, at his college reunion. the song with "american girl." that's him on the right in the gray suit. a little stiff up top and doing the donkey kick. there he is. he has the overbite. that's your man. russian president dmitry medvedev. i lot a lot of e-mails and tweets over the weekend. alex witt was kind enough to host me on her program. during the interview, over my right shoulder, the focus on th

supplies to afghanistan go through pakistan it's keen. also as we've seen over the past few years the the taliban and their allies have been using pakistan as the places to hide out from which they can understand and they can then conduct their rates back into afghanistan from these safe harbors in pakistan so the u.s. person is understandably very upset by that but what role then could china have in the future stability of afghanistan more of a role little the u.s. perhaps but i think both china what's interesting is in looking at their trade relations with china and trying this new enterprises businesses in the area not just have you back as then and other parts of the central asian middle east and chinese also want peace in the area they want peace and businessman peace for trade peace because they want to get a hold of their share of the petroleum from the region as well so peace for their own would be a tremendous asset that could expand a bit more on this the trade relations understand there's a lot of weapons sales also from china

unless pakistan is -- the governance of pakistan is taken over by some religious extremist political organization. >> do you think that could happen? >> i don't think so. the moment, religious parties only have 3% or 4% of the total seats. and i don't see that happening in the near future. >> let's talk about the osama bin laden issue because osama bin laden presumably went to abbottabad and started living there while you were president. there are, as you know, an enormous amount of suspicion and there are some modest amounts of intelligence evidence that suggests that he had to have had some local support. he was living as people often point out one mile from pakistan's version of west point, your military training academy. what is your sense of what happened? >> my sense is very clear that it's not a sense of complicity, it's a sense of terrible negligence. i say that, yes. if it was for -- if he believed that he was there for five years, i say "if he believed" because i'm not fully convinced that he was holed up there for five years. however, might take the word of the united stat

-pakistan partnership". now still some analysts say that this whole incident might put is back to square one, back to the days right after osama bin laden was killed. now, secretary of state hillary clinton visited pakistan last month and urged top officials there to get tough on militants. some analysts believe this latest incident could undo any gains that were made during that visit. now, analysts watching this quite closely in fact one telling me that this could be a "catastrophic blow to the u.s. relationship with pakistan" although another expert warns it is still very early and might be too early to know what the full impact of this will be. lester? >> kristen, thank you. >>> another hot spot overseas remains egypt where today violent clashes continued as military rulers try to negotiate an end to an increasingly deadly standoff. for the latest we turn to nbc's iman mohadin in cairo. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, lester. it was the prime minister's first day on the job and one that began wi

pakistan is a kind of free fire zone in which. to abuse the country's self and free with no need for poetry or redress. when u.s. troops killed osama bin laden in may they claimed it was successful partly because pakistan didn't know about it so how big do you think a deal would be for nato and russia in particular in particular to lose islamabad support. well i think it would be a big issue and it certainly would but whether or not it's a big issue for washington it should be a big issue for the rest of us this is after all pakistan is after all a nuclear state the region is unstable the relations with india never been settled the outstanding question of kashmir has never been independent of kashmir has never been so i thought the border with afghanistan is used for the constant pretext for drone attacks with inside pakistani territory we know that the u.s. military with regard and in the preferred for the whole area after act as if it's one single single state so i think this is a very very dangerous moment i think what the unit

. >> hi, patti, the pakistan prime proim said it is attack on pakistan's sovereignty. nato said the helicopters were called in by afghan and coalition troops fighting insurgents in the area. it happened in 2:00 local time on the afghan-pakistan border. a spokesman for general john alen in afghanistan said he's paying the highest attention to the matter and working to determine on the facts of what happened. >> he expresses sincere condollences for the family and loved ones of any member of the pakistan security forces that may have been killed or injured. they remain committed to improving relations with pakistan including the operation and in our united fight against terrorism. >> in return. pakistan closed two border crossings that nato depends on in a third. splice. and the attack was a blatent and unaccepted act . today, pakistan's information minister said the pakistani government cannot tolerate such actions. we'll not only protest but prove certain actionshat the taliban government cannot tolerate such action. relations between the u.s. and taliban have been tra

pakistan wet -- once its western allies to feel its pain. the cabinet has decided to boycott next week's conference in bonn on the future of afghanistan. that will deprive the gathering of a key regional player who has some influence over afghan insurgents. the bloodshed at to remote outposts in pakistan is being investigated. i knew at the u.s. the pakistan army claims its troops were fired upon for almost two hours. they begged their nato counterparts to halt the attack. nato says the facts are still to be determined. >> the focus of the investigation team will be to determine the effect of the incident and the matters that facilitate a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding the deaths and injuries of the pakistan forces. >> protests have been continuing here and some opposition parties are demanding that pakistan break its ties with the u.s. there is little or no chance of that but leaders here want to send a clear message that this time, apologies alone will not be enough. >> it is along the border between pakistan and afg

from iran to pakistan where there is trouble of a different sort, pakistan has said that they are withdrawing from a meeting on security. they are pulling out in protest of a nato air strike which killed pakistani troops. without pakistan, does the conference have much meaning? >> nato convoys at a standstill. vital supplies going nowhere as pakistan's borders remain firmly closed to nato traffic. they margaret our soldiers, says this truck driver. -- they murdered our soldiers. the loss of 24 soldiers at the hands of nato has caused outrage here. pakistan would like their western allies to feel their pain. the cabinet has decided to boycott next week's conference on the future of afghanistan. that will deprive the gathering of a regional player who has some influence over afghan insurgents. the bloodshed at two remote dock post is being investigated by nato and the u.s.. -- the bloodshed at two remote outposts is being investigated. they have to beg their nato counterparts to halt the attack. nato says the facts are to be determined. >> the focus will be to determine the effect of the incide

pakistan to afghanistan. that means roughly 40% of nato supplies are parked here in pakistan, not clear when they will move again, not clear what other measures pakistan is prepared to take in response to this incident. >> let's get some analysis now with cnn national security analyst peter bergen joining us by phone. pakistan is calling for a review of all military and political arrangements with the u.s. and nato. if so how potentially damaging is this particularly as it pertains to the u.s. and nato arrangement on the fight against terrorism? >> well, i think it could be quite damaging. 40% of material destined for afghanistan ran the sits pakistan. at the beginning the year that number was more like 75%. the pentagon has been and the u.s. government in general has been making alternative arrangements, what they call the northern distribution network which basically goes through russia and central asia in order to make the nato/u.s. effort in afghanistan less dependent on the pakistan over land route and p

also, pakistan shutting down an air base in southwestern pakistan that at some point was used for u.s. air drone strikes here. so they're already taking measures to respond. it's not clear what other measures they're prepared to take. but clearly, this is an incident that's made a lot of people angry here in pakistan. >> an incident obviously that is still developing. reza sayah, thanks for joining us from islamabad. well, the u.s. and pakistan have been going at it, if you will, for weeks if not months. their relationship reduced in terms of the way that the two have gotten along. frustration has been growing in both washington and islamabad. we're joined by retired general wesley clark. he served as the supreme allied commander of europe for nato. general clark, first off, how crucial is pakistan's cooperation to the war effort against the taliban in afghanistan? >> well, it's very, very important. the united states has to work with pakistan as an ally. >> the long and the short of this, in the short term we're talking about two crucial supply lines. it's been estimated that about 4

-pakistan relationship. a nato says they were working with element of special operations forces in a combined mission on the afghan side of the border. . the officials say the team came from under fire from pakistan from what they believe to be an expected pal tan base. the troops requested air support. an initial indications are apache helicopters and a gunship fired on two pakistani border check points. officials say they fired from the afghan side and did not enter pakistani air spice. 24 pakistani soldiers were killed in the airstrike but details diversion depending who you talk to. the u.s. official believes pakistani were called to warn them of the airstrike beforehand but pack tanny commanders claim they pleaded with nato to stop firing on friendly fortses and insist they're troops did not fire first. this is a front tier area with a border that's hard to define. nato complained in the past with firing on after nan and american troops close to the checkpoints. >> i would say in the last three weeks we

is relying on this is why pakistan is supporting the taliban pakistan is ensuring that they and the taliban are with members who support pakistan in the back by pakistan will have a seat at that top table when the final government of afghanistan forms and that government won't be anything like that which the west had hoped when he entered afghanistan in two thousand and one or will have to leave it there phil aris journalist and author thanks very much for your insight. a naked woman in the city's central square is bound to attract some attention which is exactly what one protest group is hoping for a series of extravagant demonstrations against the abuse of women's rights have been raising eyebrows across europe as artie's alexia shouts he discovered these ukrainian activists have their sights set on new horizons. oh yes. on a chilly morning in key of health naked women in racing outfits drink champagne and chant slogans this is how the feminine movement celebrated the resignation of silvio berlusconi several days prior to that the very same ladies were in rome voicing their suppor

and pakistan. today, funerals were held for the two dozen soldiers killed. pakistan has retaliated by closing a major border crossing. the u.s. state and defense departments issued a joint statement stressing the importance of the u.s.-pakistani relationship. the key here, it's a relationship with a nuclear power. that involves a delicate diplomatic dance. skroing me right now, joe is an expert on nuclear weapons. we welcome you back. >> good morning, alex. >> this situation, joe is compounded by the fact that pakistan has nuclear weapons. how much does that scare you in. >> pakistan is probably the most dangerous country on earth. it has a unique combination of enough material between 60 and 100 nuclear weapons. unstable government, islamic fundamentalist forces active in the military and intelligence apparatus and major terrorist organizations including al qaeda operating within pakistan territory. this is a situation where pakistan could turn from a major u.s. ally into our worst nuclear nightma

also, pakistan shutting down an air base in southwestern pakistan that at some point was used for usair drone zriks here. they're already taking measures to respond. it's not clear what other measures they're prepared to take. clearly, this is an incident that's made a lot of people angry here in pakistan. >> an incident obviously that is still developing. reza sayah, thanks for joining us. the u.s. and pakistan have been going at it for weeks if not months. their relationship reduced in terms of the way that the two have gotten along. frustration has been growing in both washington anise llama bad. we're joined by retired general wesley clark, he served as the supreme allied commander europe for nate toe. how krishl is pakistan's cooperation to the war effort against the taliban in afghanistan? >> well, it's very, very important. the united states has to work with pakistan as an ally. >> the long and the short of this in the short term we're talking about two crucial supply lines. it's been estimated that about 40% of the material brought into afghanistan goes through these two. how cr

. >>> now to the fury and short fallout in pakistan. after a deadly border attack pakistan has called for a review of its relationship with the u.s. and nato. the government says nato's helicopters killed 24 pakistan soldiers at two military checkpoints during a raid. nato officials admit it's highly likely they did. our nick peyton walsh is live from kabul with more on this. nick. >> reporter: absolutely. the statement accepts it was highly likely they refer to what was air support strikes. they said there was an operation going on my afghan and nato forces on the afghan side of the border hunting down insurgents. they called in air support and that's when this incident occurred. they won't say whether it happened inside pakistan or talk about numbers. but clearly an effort by nato to try to begin the reconciliation process as the pakistanis come up with angry rhetoric towards washington. >> so, nick, is pakistan decides it will cut off some of the cooperation it has extended to the u.s./nato, where does afghanistan play in this? how w

he is a hero to many in pakistan. he's called the father of the islamic bomb. >> a bomb is a bomb. >> keep inside the hills his team had built the bomb. nearly over 40 years kahn became known as one of the most influential criminals of all times, a nuclear proliferate tore. >> he is a real threat. the iranians wouldn't have much but for him. >> pedalled nuclear weapons iran, north korea, he tried with iraq and failed. with libya he agreed to give them a complete fuel cycle, everything. >> here in his own handwriting he quotes the tehran prepare yourselves properly. he denies he smuggled but denied his business. >> i asked would -- (indiscernible). >> here he is sitting next to a model of a bomb. he bought it in pakistan with north korean's help. a similar design would emerge. >> his claim is that he was doing things at the bid will of successive civilian military governments in pakistan. >> simon henderson is a receipt van journalist he has known and written about it for 25 years. he received this plaque from kahn of

pakistan's government demands the u.s. evacuate a key airbase an apparent nato blunder kills at least 25 pakistani soldiers. the space rover "curiosity" launches towards mars. a report on the multibillion-dollar fission noigz figure out if life could exist on the red planet. and a rebound for the n.b.a. and the planets. tony guida looks at the tentative agreement to start the basketball season on christmas day. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with russ mitchell. >> mitchell: and good evening. some encouraging news for the economy tonight. new figures out this evening show retail sales yesterday were the biggest in black friday history. up 6. the 6% over last year for a total of $11.4 well. that's a full billion more than 2010. as elaine quijano tells us, the hopeful predictions follow the earliest black friday opening ever. >> reporter: the turkey wasn't even cold when toys "r" us opened the holiday shopping season at 9:00 p.m. thanksgiving night. santa hats were passed out to customers to encour

also, pakistan shutting down an air base in southwestern pakistan that at some point was used for usair drones here. they're already taking measures to respond. it's not clear what other measures they're prepared to take. clearly, this is an incident that's made a lot of people angry here in pakistan. >> an incident obviously that is still developing. reza sayah, thanks for joining us. the u.s. and pakistan have been going at it for weeks if not months. their relationship reduced in terms of the way that the two have gotten along. frustration has been growing in both washington anise llama bad. we're joined by retired general wesley clark, he served as the supreme allied commander europe for nato. how crucial is pakistan's cooperation to the war effort against the taliban in afghanistan? >> well, it's very, very important. the united states has to work with pakistan as an ally. >> the long and the short of this in the short term we're talking about two crucial supply lines. it's been estimated that about 40% of the material brought into afghanistan goes through these two. how crucial ar