abramoff did in washington is he got guys like tim phillips and ralph reed, remember ralph reed, the christian coalition guy, jack abramoff worked with those guys to dupe conservative voters into supporting the interests of jack abramoff's lobbying clients. so they'd get conservative voters who hated gambling, for instance, to oppose some specific gambling legislation. not because they were going to stamp out gambling by doing that but that would help eliminate the competition for the casinos the guys were working for. ralph reed is supposed to be a christian leader. it couldn't look like he was being paid by the casinos. instead they laundered the money through ralph reed through a conservative activist group to make it look like it was all politics and not just money. the group they laundered the money was the grover norquist tax reform group. if you follow the money, it looks like conservative activism, looks ideological, looks principled. really, it's just what some rich company wants. and is willing to pay for. tim phillips and ralph reed got christians to write letters in suppo

ralph reed is supposed to be a christian leader. it couldn't look like he was being paid by the casinos. instead they laundered the money through ralph reed through a conservative activist group to make it look like it was all politics and not just money. the group they laundered the money was the grover norquist tax reform group. if you follow the money, it looks like conservative activism, looks ideological, looks principled. really, it's just what some rich company wants. and is willing to pay for. tim phillips and ralph reed got christians to write letters in support of keeping the "made in the usa" label on clothes that were being made in the mariana islands, a u.s. commonwealth. clothes being manufactured in near slave labor sweat shop conditions, conditions that included things like forced prostitution and forced abortions among the destitute workers who were there. how did they get christians, how did they get values voters? conservative christian americans to write letters supporting that? they mailed those christians mater

that's the value voters summit of ralph reed brought to you by big oil. ralph reed and tim phillips didn't go to prison, but they were part of the scam to get conservative voters to do something that they thought was ideological motivated, but it was really just what some big corporate funder wanted and was willing to pay for. iowa energy forum. oh, yeah, and faith, too. that's what jack did before he went to prison and that's what ralph reed is doing now. now there's the herman cain art project. a charismatic candidate who does not know that letting a woman decide if she wants to have an abortion or not is not allowed if you're pro-life. a candidate who has never heard of neoconservativism and who answered this way this weekend when he was asked about medicare. >> you go first, newt. >> that's only fair. >> the herman cain art project, which seems to be a conservative cause, which is attracting a lot of support, is something with no campaign staff, no substantial staff of its own. it appears to be bank rolled possibly illegally by the billionaire owneres

did you give $4 million to ralph reed? >> yeah, we provided -- ralph reed was a very important vendor in terms of our effort to slow down competition for our tribes. absolutely. i don't know the exact number. >> and you -- and that $4 million was delivered to ralph reed to get him to mobilize christian conservative opposition to a casino that some indian tribe you weren't representing was trying to -- >> well, either indian or non-indian casinos. >> any casino -- >> we hired our clients, as often others are, to prevent them from losing their market. and we were very creative and used every method we could to do that. and one of them was to mobilize people who hated casino gambling for the short-term strange bedfellows partnership of working together to stop a new casino. >> one of the tribes, thetiguas that you represented, eventually they ran out of money in their ability to pay you. how much did they pay you over time? >> i think it was a couple million dollars. >> and eventually they ran out. >> right. >> so you came up

did you give $4 million to ralph reed? >> yeah, we provided -- ralph reed was a very important vendor in terms of our effort to slow down competition for our tribes. absolutely. i don't know the exact number. >> and you -- and that $4 million was delivered to ralph reed to get him to mobilize christian conservative opposition to a casino that some indian tribe you weren't representing was trying to -- >> well, either indian or non-indian casinos. >> any casino -- >> we hired our clients, as often others are, to prevent them from losing their market. and we were very creative and used every method we could to do that. and one of them was to mobilize people who hated casino gambling for the short-term strange bedfellows partnership of working together to stop a new casino. >> one of the tribes, the thinkitiguas that you represented, eventually they ran out of money in their ability to pay you. how much did they pay you over time? >> i think it was a couple million dollars. >> and eventually they ran out. >> right. >> so you