timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist. he was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> much more sniping followed but perhaps the biggest identity confusion concerned the very names of the cariharacters on stage. >> i'll mitt romney and that's my first name. >> no, blitz, that's oversimplifying it. i meant wolf. blitz, wolf. since we're on a blitz debate, i apologize. wolf. >> the moderatedor was of course, wolf blitzer but more interestingly, mitt romney's full name is willard mitt

timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says after we lose a major american city we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> that's like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. >> theç candidates covered a l of ground, also talking about iran with answers there on how to handle that country ranging from mitt romney calling for crippling sanctions to herman cain saying he would assist israel in a military strike against iran if asked. a week from today, the republican presidential field will meet again for its 12th debate. this one will be in arizona. president obama meanwhile is now back in washington after a quick trip up to new hampshire where he made his latest push for elements of the american jobs act. the president is leaning hard on congress especially republicans to pa

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist, he was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that is the point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i do not want a law that says, after you destroyed a major american city, will come and find it. i want a law that says if you try to take out a city, we will try to stop it. >>justine: the candidates agree that deep cuts to the defense budget would be a bad idea. >>mark: the dow is down 93 points. after two months of steady declines, more americans are filing for unemployment benefits. the labor department says that weekly applications rose by 2000 to 393,000 americans filing for unemployment last week. the increase is not enough to reverse the overall downward trend in the for the average of applications. they have now been at their lowest levels since april. if there are a lot of concerns about the year rose on. the dow is of 100 for right now. >>justine: time for a quick break on the kron4 morning news, we will be right back. >>george: we are tracking a hot spot that will delay your ride to sfo if you're coming from dal

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i want a law that says you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> is it okay for muslim americans to get more intensive pat-downs or security when they go through airports than christian americans or jewish americans? >> no, blitz, that's oversimplifying it. i happen to believe that if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their job, they can come up with an approach -- sorry, blitz, i meant wolf, okay? blitz, wolf. >> thank you, cain. >> we haven't done a very good job defining and articulating what the end point is in afghanistan. i think the american people are getting very tired about where we find ourselves today. >> let me let governor romney respond. >> let me respond. are you suggesting, governor that we take all of our troops out next week? what's your proposal. >> i said we should draw down from 100,000. we don't need 100 troops. we need a presence on the ground that is more akin to 10,000, 15,000. >> president ahmadinejad came to the u.n. general

what if they look like timothy mcveigh. i don't remember voting on a declared declaration of war, oh, war against terrorism, and terrorism is a tactic, it isn't a person, it isn't a people. so this is a very careless use of words. bill: santorum also says he believes the transportation security administration, the tsa should be privat pry virginia privitised. hawaiian played a anytime game with the host. >> is it okay for muslim-americans to get more intensive pat-downs or securities when they go through airports than christian americans or jewish americans. >> no, blitz, that is over simplifying here. i happen to believe if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their job they can come up with an approach, i'm sorry blitz, i meant wolf, okay. >> thank you, cain. [laughter] bill: funny moment for a lot ever serious topics. heather: it could happen to anyone jon -- oh, i mean bill. bill: he is the only man with a beard. all taken in fun last night. michelle bachmann, a minnesota congresswoman not backing down yet despite

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says, after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> this is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security, and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the american people and against our freedoms and we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. so don't do it so carelessly. >> from protecting the home land to protecting interests overseas, the 2012 republican presidential candidates talk about pakistan, american aid and nuclear weapons. that discount double check. you saved us hundreds. what was that? the discount double check? it's when we comb through your policies and make sure that you're

timothy mcveigh was a terrorist and he was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded in that is the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans i know what a law that says that after we lose a major american city we will come and find you. i want a law that says if you tried to take out an american city we will stop you. >>reporter: the patriot that makes it easier for the government to get people's personal information an effort to stop terrorism. now, to a much more light- hearted moment. >> is it ok for muslim americans to get a more intensive pat downs or security when they go through airports than christian americans or jewish americans? >> no, that is oversimplifying it. i happen to believe that if you allow our intelligence agents to do their job they can come up with an approach, i am sorry blitz i meant wolf [laughter] >> i apologize. but what i'm saying is let us ask the professionals. [laughter] >>reporter: of course cnn will switzer is monitoring tonight's debate. now all candidates agree that deep cuts to the fan's budget will be a bad idea of blaming president oba

[applause] timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i do not want a law this is after losing a major american city, we will come and see you -- and save you. >> the president was also targeted. >> this is one thing we know about barack obama. he has essentially handed over our interrogation of terrorists to the aclu. our cia has no ability to have any form of interrogations for terrorists. >> much of the arguing on troop pullout to buy ran -- of iraq and afghanistan. >> i think the american people are getting very tired about where we find ourselves today. >> are you suggesting that we take all of our troops out next week? >> and provocative subjects like should muslim americans face borscht strict scrutiny by -- face more short scrutiny by tsa? more major slipups or gaffs other thenan for getting the moderator's name. [laughter] >> despite that moment of levity, you heard a lot of serious debate tonight. in the spin room, the only candidate to show up and represent himself, rick santorum, who has the most ground to game at this point.

timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i do not want a law that says after we'd lose a city, we are going to find you. i want a law that says, you try to take a of an american city, we are going to stop the. [applause] this is like saying we need a policeman in every house. >> we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. if you advocate the police did you can have safety and security. it might prevent a crime. the crime will then be against the american people and our freedoms. we will provide up so much of what a revolution was fought for. do not do it so carelessly. >> congresswoman bachmann, let me bring you in. >> i am with the american people, the constitution, and the job of commander in chief. we have to realize we are in a different war. there are different techniques used for that war. there are different actors than we have had before. their motivations are very different. we cannot forget that technology is completely different. when we were looking at pry

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i want a law that says you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> is it okay for muslim-americans to get more intensive pat-downs or security when they go through airports than christian-americans or jewije jewish americans? >> no, blitz. that's oversimplifying it. i happen to believe that if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their job, they can come up with an approach. i'm sorry, blitz. i meant wolf, okay? blitz, wolf. >> thank you, cain. >> we haven't done a very good job defining and articulating what the end point is in afghanistan. i think the american people are getting very fired about where we find ourselves today. >> governor romney. >> let me respond. are you suggesting, governor, that we take all our troops out next week? what's your proposaproposal? >> i said we should draw down from 100,000 troops. many of them who can't even cross the wire. we need a presence more akin to 10,000 to 15,000. >> president ahmadinejad came to the general assem

timothy mcveigh was arrested, >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that is the coin. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i do not want a law that says, after we lose a major american city we're of course of finding, i want a law that says if you try to take out an american city we will stop you. >>mark: there were two new cases against jerry sandusky. these could be the first case involving current miners'. his lawyer responded saying, we expected copycat allegations and we're confident that we will be able to refute them. >>justine: we have a lot to get to. 5:08 a.m., one day before thanksgiving. if you are headed to tahoe, here is what you can expect. there is no had its europe. we will let you know more about that when the kron4 morning news comes right back. third faugh ought left the >>james: which are following the latest in the occupied movement, demonstrators have been protesting income inequality but the protests have cost local taxpayers at least 13 million in police overtime across the nation. new york city has spent the most money. they have spent 7

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist. he was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> much more sniping followed but perhaps the biggest identity confusion concerned the very names of the cariharacters on stage. >> i'll mitt romney and that's my first name. >> no, blitz, that's oversimplifying it. i meant wolf. blitz, wolf. since we're on a blitz debate, i apologize. wolf. >> the moderatedor was of course, wolf blitzer but more interestingly, mitt romney's full name is willard mitt romney. for more on all this, let's bring in our panel. joining us from washington, mark ginsburg is a former u.s. ambassador to morocco, a former white house middle east adviser to president carter. and karen finney is an msnbc political analyst and former dnc communications director. now, karen, we'll get to the name game in a minut

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want to law that says you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> so, newt showing there that he is fairly hawkish. >> oh, yeah, and most of the republicans on the stage disagreed with ron paul there. but that exchange really does kind of show the conflict in the republican party, particularly has the tea party and libertarian streak in the tea party is gained whole. what ron paul is talking about, look, the government shouldn't be doing these things, but the conservative we saw in the bush years, we need strong security to prevent attacks. >> i thought it was interesting that after the answer on illegal immigration, that newt kind of went to the right there and became very hawkish on that point. now, two people that had a good little debate about pakistan, were michele bachmann and rick perry. michele bachmann real

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist. he was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. >> is that showing right there why he is coming out ahead in terms of the poll numbers and really coming up on mitt romney giving hill a lot to worry about? >> absolutely. last night the speaker was truly exceptional when you looked at all the republican candidates during the debate simply because he gave very open, very honest and very direct responses to the vast majority of the questions that were asked of him as a debater. if you're sitting back last night and as we get closer and closer to the primaries and the general election, we start looking at voting blocks. women are one of the most important voting blocks in the country. and on national security issues, we have to remember that in the second bush term, it was women, whether they were democratic or republican women, they were sort of national security moms, national security met meant a lot to those women. they put george bush back in for a second term and i would guess speaker gingrich picked up a l

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> this is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. so if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the american people and against our freedoms and we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. so don't do it so carelessly. >> congresswoman bachmann, let me bring you into this conversation. are you with congressman paul or speaker gingrich or do you have your own view? >> i'm with the american people and with the constitution and with the job of the commander in chief is the number one duty of the president of the united states. we have to re

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that is the whole point. ofothy mcveigh killed a lot americans. want a law that says after reviews a sissy we're sure going to come and find you. >> pretty of conflict. while the contenders went after other, the president was a target. >> this is one thing we know about barack obama. he has handed over hour interrogation to terrorists to aclu. the cia has no form of interrogations. >> the division lead to afghanistan. >> we have not done a good job the endulating what point is. american people and getting tired about where we find ourselves. >> are you suggested we take all of our troops out? like provocative subjects how to secure our borders with mexico. >> within 12 months, that border will be shut down. >> no major it slip ups. >> that is overstepping its. i am sorry. >> thank you. abc 7 news. >> a sense of humor. thank you. could give prices a big jolt. places are shelling to stay afloat. of the business headlines. theet's begin with postal service. rates forraise express and priority mail. the new prices will take effect top of the 1 cent in

timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i don't want a law that says, after we lose a major american city, we're sure going to come and find you. i want a law that says, you try to take out an american city, we're going to stop you. >> this is like saying that we need a policeman in every house, a camera in every house because we want to prevent child beating and wife beating. you can prevent crimes by becoming a police state. so if you advocate the police state, yes, you can have safety and security and you might prevent a crime, but the crime then will be against the american people and against our freedoms, and we will throw out so much of what our revolution was fought for. so don't do it so carelessly. >> congresswoman bachmann, let me bring you into this conversation. are you with congressman paul or speaker gingrich or do you have your own view? >> i'm with the american people and with the constitution and with the job of the commander in chief is the number one duty of the president of the united states. we have to

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist and was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. >> dana: one thing that was interesting, ron paul having the point he made. this past sumer the patriot act was reauthorized 99-0 in the senate. i don't know if it's still a point that salient with people. >> andrea: i don't think it is. i don't think it is for either party to make. the clip you played before with ron paul talking about how dangerous the deficit is. these are statements that make people look at ron paul go yes, yes! that is factual. but then he says other things like this, you sort of question him. particularly, after a guy tried to blow up new york city. >> greg: like not having a gripe with us. we weren't in afghanistan when they sent planes -- >> bob: a fast closing point. mitt romney played the front runner last night and played it safe. everybody else picked their game up, as they do getting this close to iowa. i think romney made a terrible mistake playing it safe. now is not the time if you are a weak front runner to be safe. >> dana: i

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist and was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded. that's the whole point. >> dana: one thing that was interesting, ron paul having the point he made. this past sumer the patriot act was reauthorized 99-0 in the senate. i don't know if it's still a point that salient with people. >> andrea: i don't think it is. i don't think it is for either party to make. the clip you played before with ron paul talking about how dangerous the deficit is. these are statements that make people look at ron pau go yes, yes! that is factual. but then he says other things like this, you sort of question him. particularly, after a guy tried to blow up new york city. >> greg: like not having a gripe with us. we weren't in afghanistan when they sent planes -- >> bob: a fast closing point. mitt romney played the front runner last night and played it safe. everybody else picked their game up, as they do getting this close to iowa. i think romney made a terrible mistake playing it safe. now is not the time if you are a weak front runner to be safe. >> dana: i w

mcveigh. -- the right guy, and timothy mcveigh. this is something radical islamic groups have been using against me. i daresay my record, if you look at my documentary and 1994, every single one of the terrorist identified in 1994 were ultimately convicted, deported, prosecuted, or in other ways punished by the u.s. government as an islamic terrorist. even though at the time i made the film, everyone said including the groups you are setting, there is no such thing as islamic terrorism. host: this is from t.j. guest: there have been allegations to that effect. you need to be more specific. i am not against free speech, which is a " hate speech." it is everyone's right to say i hate america, or death to christians, americans, jews. that is said tens of thousands of times around the world. we have rallies on tape where people worse than death to israel, and death to america. that is protected speech. also, your home is protected unless there is a criminal predicate if there is knowledge today home, an office, an individual, or a buil

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist band was arrested. famine timothy mcveigh succeeded. that is the point! timothy mcveigh killed a lot of americans. i did not want a law that says, we will find useful if you destroy a major american city, i want something that's that is you try to the american city, we will stop the! >>justine: can't it agreed in deep cuts the >>mark: lanes are reopened. as traffic started moving, we have another accident. now, we have the middle lane of locked once again waiting for the accident to be cleared. house how >>mark: please continue to clashed with protesters. tens of thousands have gathered, teargas has been thrown of the protesters. the protesters want to egypt's military ruler to speed up the presidential elections for the first half of next year. they want the current military rulers to step down. an egyptian rights groups as the number of protesters killed in clashes is 38. >>justine: a quick break on the kron4 morning news. here's a quick look at what is happening outside of our studios. on kron4 storm clouds moving in to the bay area'

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what if they look like timothy mcveigh? he was a pretty tough criminal. >> reporter: in the midst of a heavy debate, a light moment. >> is it okay for muslim-americans to get more intensive pat-downs or security when he go through airports than christian americans or jewish americans? >> no, blitz. that's oversimplifying it. i happen to believe that if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their job, they can come up with an approach -- i'm sorry, blitz. i meant wolf. okay? blitz -- wolf. >> reporter: and what about aid to pakistan? >> i also think that pakistan is a nation that it's kind of like too nuclear to fail. >> until pakistan clearly shows that they have america's best interests in mind, i would not send them one penny, period. >> with all due respect to the governor, i think that's highly naive. >> not ate of fireworks last night but a lot of different ideas how to handle national defense. i'm joined by ron brownstein. ron, play a bit more of that exchange that took place between mitt romney and jon huntsman.

mcveigh totally anyway and maybe out there is a week they had such a large you know like appearance in the foreign policy debate kind of interesting i say all right let's move on to something that newt gingrich told us there is a question about the patriot act. the question of the patriot act and all the candidates when and how it's so great and newt gingrich especially told us why we needed all of us will be in being sure. for the rest of our watch this is not going to end in the short run and we need to be prepared to protect ourselves from those who if they could would not just troublesome to virtually would take out into our cities and they want to come in and they're not like the party all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives of course are in danger because we're all going to die it's a point right any time you cross the street or you get in the car you're in danger is really ludicrous yeah it's like a breaking news announcement is going to tell you like they're going to kill you and if you truly they're going to kill you in the cities they're just they're going to

we drop your poems like oh yeah timothy mcveigh totally anyway and many others and this week they had fish a large you know like appearance in the foreign policy debate and interesting that all right let's move on to something that you told us there was a question about the patriot act which i was asked a question about the patriot act and all the candidates when and how it's so great and newt gingrich especially told us why we needed all of us will be in danger. for the rest of our lives this is not going to end in the short run and we need to be for her to protect ourselves from those who if they could we're not your skills or individually would take out intercity and they want to claim that they're not like the fear mongering party all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives of course are in danger because we're all going to die at some point right any time you cross the street or you get in the car you're in danger is ludicrous yeah it's not a breaking news announcement to newt gingrich is going to tell you they're going to kill you and if they truly they're going to kil

timothy mcveigh was a vicious terrorist who was arrested. >> timothy mcveigh succeeded that is a whole point. [applause] >> he killed a lot of americans i did not want a law that says after week killed many people in a major american city will make a lot and then come and find you. i want us to say that we are going to come and stop you if you even tried to take out a major city. >>reporter: this decision making process for voters is right around a corner right after the holidays. we will have more from this debate coming up at 8:00 p.m.. >>stanley: now that we are getting closer to the holiday season it is important to remember that your car is not a safe. as you see it if you can see it it can be stolen like the iphone charging in the front of this truck or what about this blackberry sitting in plain view in a parking lot in an east bay town? >>stanley: why did you leave your gps in the window? the >> because i am about to get in the car and use it. >>stanley: how long were you in the gym? >> an hour. >>stanley: we will go round and look for things that these may also be looking for

we dealt with it well with timothy mcveigh. we have drifted into a condition we were warned against because of our founders were clear, do not be willing to sacrifice liberty for security. today, it seems to easy that our government and our congress is so willing to give up our liberties for our security. i have a personal belief is you never have to give up liberty for security. you can still provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights. host: general clark? guest: is an important debate. i do not think any american wants to give up liberty for security. times change, laws change. it is the duty of governance, and ratified by the people in the electorate, that modifications be made, and evocations be made to deal with problems and threats to -- adaptations be made to deal with problems and threats. we've created a new structure that looks it the ability to monitor conversations. if you go back 100 years, you would not have seen that because there were no electronic conversations. the question is do we have the balan

mcveigh it's better to have prevention than it is to have chased out of here but it's a patriot act where the f.b.i. can just write write a letter and they're not to worry about judges they don't have you know the it's and i think it's a serious problem i think it's un-american i think it goes against the very ideals of what we want this country to be and i agree with that yes prevention is the key but i actually have to say i came down much closer ron paul was you know that i think is a false choice this notion that you have to have you know liberty or security i think that we can have both and i think if we want to be the america especially to the. rest of the world we have to find a way to do that but it's just that there's actually something ok with having a little insecurity and having more liberty. you know i guess i'm with ron paul well i hate i hate to be in fact that's what that's what this is this is not of this show is not about that but i do agree with you i think a little risk is worthwhile especially when you have you know i think conservatives and republicans more imp

mcveigh it's better to have prevention than it is to have chased out of here but if patriot act or the f.b.i. can just write write a letter and then have to worry about judges they don't know the words and i think it's a serious problem i think it's un-american i think it goes against the very ideals of what we want this country to be and i agree with that so yes prevention is the key but i actually have to say i came much closer where ron paul was you know that i think is a false choice this notion that you have to have you know liberty or security i think that we can have both and i think if we want to be the america especially to the. rest of the world we have to find a way to do that it's just that there's actually something ok with having a little insecurity and having more liberty. you know i guess i'm with ron paul on well i hate i hate to even been friends with doesn't this is not a this show is not about that but i do agree with you i think a little risk is worthwhile especially when you have you know i think conservatives and republicans and more importantly not just talking

we dealt with it rather well with timothy mcveigh. why i really fear it is we have drifted into a condition that we were warned against. our founders were very clear. they said, cassette i do not be willing to sacrifice liberty for security -- they said, "do not be willing to sacrifice liberty for security." it seems congress is too willing to give up our liberty for security. i have a personal belief that you never have to give up liberty for security. you can still provide security without sacrificing our bill of rights. guest: that is an important debate. i do not think any american wants to give up liberty for security and most of us believe we can have both. but times change. technologies change. threats change. laws change. it is the duty of government, as ratified by the will of the people in the electorate, the modifications be made and adaptations be made to deal with problems and threats and technologies and so forth. for example, we have created an entire new ports structure that looks at the ability to monitor and a eavesd

mcveigh and we have to be careful not to stereotype people or to not encourage actions of the minister in florida who wanted to burn the cor ran. we have to be aware this anxiety exists in the american mined, the fact there's an indisputable connection between muslim and radicalness in the world, but at the same time, we have to reserve american principles of independents, judges people as individuals, and protecting religious liberties. >> some folks heard the first part and ignored the second. >> well, if it's just that, it's forgivable, and i have to work on it, but i think what it was is that there are people who are invested in attacking and trying to make a larger point, and they were willing to sacrifice me and my journalistic independence to do it. the counsel on islamic care didn't like the idea anybody would engage fox at that point and say i'm not playing games with you. i think you're right because i look at the facts of who were in the planes and who used the airplanes as instruments of terror so that anybody who was giving any affirmation to bill at that moment, they view

. >> what if they look like timothy mcveigh? >> the candidates were asked about withdrawalling from afghanistan. >> you suggesting we just take our troops out next week? what is your proposal? >> i said we should draw down from to 100,000. we don't need 100,000 troops. >> huntsman seemed to favor relying obspecial operations forces and drones to deal with afghanistan, which seems to be the direction the white house is moving. in washington, jennifer griffin, fox news. >> we will discuss possible defense cut in the next segment with the chairman of the house armed service committee. congressman buck mckeon. >> shannon: the failure of the debt reduction committee could trigger huge cut to defense spending. joining us now from beaverton, oregon, to talk about that is the chairman of the house armed services committee buck mckeon. welcome. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you, shannon. thank you for having me. >> shannon: all right. defense secretary leon panetta said this could result in something he termed as doomsday sc