this epa rule will kill jobs and jobs and the epa has two choices. a low thres hold. that is harmful or no thres hold. they are gone from the no thres hold standard. and so rick, this is strong rhetoric, isn't it? >> once again the narrative is not true. i have awesome facts on going to the notes quickly. university of massachusetts political economy, what did they report? every year. it is 300,000 new jobs in this country. the 2010 report to congress. clean air and water. and 1999 and 2009. and they created 533 billion in economic benefits. what did it cost, 29 billion. this is not anywhere near a job killer. i got the facts and happy to put them on line at forbes. >>> and so rich, according to rick, not only did epa rules actually help people but they actually create jobs, do you buy that? >> no, i don't. american electric power for instance said the epa and said this in june will cost them six billion. this flies in the face of rick's facts. president obama when he was running for president in 2008 said that electricity costs would sky rocket. his cap and trade did

among other things, i would greet the epa out -- i would get the epa from carbon dioxidey emissions. that was not a pollute meant. -- pollute tent. it is one of the agencies most being used by this president to try and hold down, crush and insert the federal government into the life of the private sector. >> governor, in a general election debate. -- debate, president obama will say his healthcare law was based on your massachusetts model. what would be your response to the president in that debate? >> i sure look forward to that. i would say, mr. president, thank you for the compliment, but why didn't you give me a call? why didn't you pick up the phone and ask me what i would do differently and what i would do the same. >> well, let me ask you, what would you do differently? >> a lot of things. the bill i proposed was different than the final bill. some measures in the final bill i vetoed. they were overridden by the legislature. i'm sure in the years that have passed some things have seemed to gone well and some things needed to be adjusted and improved. do i like to build overall

among other things, i would greet the epa out -- i would get the epa from carbon dioxidey emissions. that was not a pollute meant. -- pollute tent. it is one of the agencies most being used by this president to try and hold down, crush and insert the federal government into the life of the private sector. >> governor, in a general election debate. -- debate, president obama will say his healthcare law was based on your massachusetts model. what would be your response to the president in that debate? >> i sure look forward to that. i would say, mr. president, thank you for the compliment, but why didn't you give me a call? why didn't you pick up the phone and ask me what i would do differently and what i would do the same. >> well, let me ask you, what would you do differently? >> a lot of things. the bill i proposed was different than the final bill. some measures in the final bill i vetoed. they were overridden by the legislature. i'm sure in the years that have passed some things have seemed to gone well and some things needed to be adjusted and improved. do i like to build overall

among other things, i would greet the epa out -- i would get the epa from carbon dioxidey emissions. that was not a pollute meant. -- pollute tent. it is one of the agencies most being used by this president to try and hold down, crush and insert the federal government into the life of the private sector. >> governor, in a general election debate. -- debate, president obama will say his healthcare law was based on your massachusetts model. what would be your response to the president in that debate? >> i sure look forward to that. i would say, mr. president, thank you for the compliment, but why didn't you give me a call? why didn't you pick up the phone and ask me what i would do differently and what i would do the same. >> well, let me ask you, what would you do differently? >> a lot of things. the bill i proposed was different than the final bill. some measures in the final bill i vetoed. they were overridden by the legislature. i'm sure in the years that have passed some things have seemed to gone well and some things needed to be adjusted and improved. do i like to build overall

matter, if you look at the statements in the epa. davis acknowledges it's a job killing act and a reason we are going to get a benefit from it. the fact is and every reason in the united states w knve had growing epa regulations and we've had declining jobs in those areas that they're regulating or overregulating and for them to argue it any other way doehey't make sense and even if they were right on everything, why on earth would ou do it now when we have a re% grompong economy. if this was right, you would pick the time to do it when we m kould aneedorb this ln't k of growth. >> is this a power play that would helermor hpoft the economy? >> first of all, i don't think it's a power play, if you look at the st're effort at the epa. >> no hk l no, no, a lot of companies hirse benefitted you look at wall street and other people, and reduced ope ruting cost by emb ruy. sustainability and things that were a nuisance became a-- rethinking enviro, maental rethesunations and a broader swath at that could be interesting in business if thblo

weight -- epa when she discovered a case to the attention of her superiors. she was told to shut up and denied a promotion. she did not back down. her efforts led to the passage of the notes here act which protect whistle-blowers. the new book is called "no fear: a whistleblower's triumph over corruption and retaliation at the epa." she joins us tonight from washington. good to have you on this program. >> it is a pleasure to be with you. tavis: your conviction, your commitment, i appreciate that on behalf of all americans. let me start by asking who contacted you from south africa and what symptoms were these persons been afflicted with? >> thank you for having me on your show. i was contacted by a union official who was working with in my capacity. we had brought him to study environmental protection policy. he approached me and told me that a u.s. multinational corporation was involved in the poisoning of a small community in south africa with a toxin, a very toxic elements. the symptoms are severe. with in the first six months, the male minors become impo

>> we have 50 epa's every state has them. there are issues across the state. on a case by case basis federal government gets involved weather clean air or clean products or whether it's the border. more on a case by case basis but what we can't have the current department of epa they have essentially become a government to themselves almost. they are changing the course of history every day. >> i certainly agree with you about the over aggressiveness of the epa but as a practical matter you said on a case by case basis you don't mean you would pass a law for every instance of a coal plant in ohio coming to pennsylvania and something else from one state to another, do you? >> legislation is one thing negotiation is another. a lot of these things can be negotiated. the two states you mentioned the two states can get together. >> you cannot just negotiate without a legal foundation and compel both sides to do that. if they don't negotiate then what? >> you are making a very good point. when we send the power and authority back to the states that's the place to be

this is the most expensive rule in epa history. the power companies, they keep the lights on across the country and they are concerned about the cost of this. is that fair? >> i understand all thav. you can't ask for some people to obey the law and others not tompt okay, we have a law against murder. half of you can murder people and the other half can't. that is insanity. you can't ask people to spend all of their monies f. i complied already and taken it out of my budget and complied with the lawwhy should the other guy get away without it. wait a minute. the economic question if you are involving money. anybody who does this, it is good for the economy because it creates jobs if you have to do all of these things. because people have to do the work. >> i have to speak on behalf of my boys who are not here. the capitalistic system would pull it. and consumer would demand it . smart entrepreneurs and business men of the world would doand layfield would say we don't have a national energy policy and our national security is at risk

. >> for the first time the epa links a drilling method to the pollution of ground water. good evening, i'm juliette goodrich, dana is off tonight. >> marijuana dispensaries are under heavy fire from the feds. >> why would they fuel the fire for giving cannabis to a kindergartener. robert lyles found out. >> weed wars, it's a new reality tv show getting blockbuster ratings. of course because tonight's episode shows dispensing cannabis to a five-year-old. but oakland's harbor side clinic says what you're about to see is an attack on patients rights. >> weed wars is only in its second episode, but already buzzing. >> christmas morning, four months after he was born, he had his first grand mall seizure that lasted an hour long. my whole life changed. >> jason is a bay area dad. his five-year-old suffered from a rare form of epilepsy. his seizure lasts at least an hour, he says. >> he is twitching right now. come on, jayden. look at dada. come on, jayden. are you out of it? okay. relax. >> jason told weed wars no pharmaceutical works. desperate, he turned to harbor side. >> we

among other things, i would greet the epa out -- i would get the epa from carbon dioxidey emissions. that was not a pollute meant. -- pollute tent. it is one of the agencies most being used by this president to try and hold down, crush and insert the federal government into the life of the private sector. >> governor, in a general election debate. -- debate, president obama will say his healthcare law was based on your massachusetts model. what would be your response to the president in that debate? >> i sure look forward to that. i would say, mr. president, thank you for the compliment, but why didn't you give me a call? why didn't you pick up the phone and ask me what i would do differently and what i would do the same. >> well, let me ask you, what would you do differently? >> a lot of things. the bill i proposed was different than the final bill. some measures in the final bill i vetoed. they were overridden by the legislature. i'm sure in the years that have passed some things have seemed to gone well and some things needed to be adjusted and improved. do i like to build overall

. >> for the first time, the epa is linking a drilling method to the pollution of ground water. >>> good evening, i'm ken. >> and i'm juliette goodrich. dana is off tonight. california's medical marijuana dispensaries are already under heavy fire from the feds. >> so why would one bay area provider choose to fuel that fire by giving cannabis to a kidergardenner? robert lyles went to the health center to try to find out. robert. >> they call it weed wars. i'm not talking about the battle between bay area dispensaries and the feds. it's a new reality tv show airing tonight. so why did the clinic here in oakland give that cannabis to a kid? was it because of ratings or was it because of medicine? we went inside to find out. >> it is only in its second episode, but already buzzing. >> christmas morning, four months after he was born, he had his first grand mall seizure. it lasted an hour long. my whole life changed. >> jason is a bay area dad with a son who suffers from a rare form of epilepsy. his seizures last an hour. he's twitching right now. look at dada. come on. come on, jayden. come

how can hud, department of transportation, and epa work together? this is a different way of doing business, and it is a way that we are very proud of. i want to thank ophelia, as well. should not be here today, but she is the regional administrator. and leslie from the department of transportation today they're all sitting down together in some very large infrastructure projects. this is a $5 million project to develop a prosperity plan for the bay area. if you think of the billions of dollars that were spending on everything from highways to public transportation systems, the opportunity to come together and it rethink those as a sustainable communities package is with this partnership is all about. and it is a different way of doing business. it is needed at a time when we have less and less funds. it does it better for less money. we're proud to be a partner, along with hud and the department of transportation, and we want to thank them. i also want to thank and invite up mark green, president of the association of bay area governments, and the

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that is not what the epa is about. the epa is about killing jobs right now and they have been a disaster for farmers. i will set down the epa and the department of education. i have a few others in mind that will go. if that is not grandstanding, i mean it. you can take that to the bank. yes, ma'am? >> since government is not producing wealth and it used to be that 20 people would support one person in government, now it is almost one-one and they want it bigger. how do they expect to get the money? i do not understand how they are expecting to get this money. >> you are right. pick government has grown exponentially. you talk about federal employees. the average federal employee makes $123,000 a year. that is in wage and benefit packages. that is more than double what people in the private sector make. if there is no relation. i am talking apples to apples. like a librarian in the federal government versus out locally. -- a librarian out locally. a cook in the federal government and a cook at in the private sector. it

how can hud, department of transportation, and epa work together? this is a different way of doing business, and it is a way that we are very proud of. i want to thank ophelia, as well. should not be here today, but she is the regional administrator. and leslie from the department of transportation today they're all sitting down together in some very large infrastructure projects. this is a $5 million project to develop a prosperity plan for the bay area. if you think of the billions of dollars that were spending on everything from highways to public transportation systems, the opportunity to come

. >> i was a fan of the epa. i lived in two areas where i experienced red air and black snow and this country clearly needs to be cleaned up and i think the epa did a great job of that. we are at a point now and it has been that way for some years where w we are well passd it and they he keep layering on and layering on and it has become self-serving and runs for its own special interest. i would suggest to you that the primary taxing agency the united states government is not the irs, it is the epa. there are so many rules and regulations we talked about crushing the small business guy. there is no way the small business person can understand or pay for these rules. it is imposed at too low a level. big corporations can handle it and it is competitive advantage for large corporations. >> coming up, the financial meltdown that started in 2008 and killed lots of jobs and destroyed lots of wealth. the ceos hostile to most regulations. what do they say they he should what do they say they he should do about the what