india/pakistan relations are better than u.s./pakistan relations. it professes to be a democracy, but it's three most important allies are china, north korea and saudi arabia. so pakistan's identity, i think marvin hinted at this, is problematic. but i'm can confident that there are enough good people in pakistan, i think, husain haqqani at the top of this list, really could manage the state given the opportunity to do so. so crises are going to continue. the fact that the military may take over in form, if not in name does not trouble me. what troubles me the most is the deeper, underlying transformation of pakistan that's going on right before our eyes. i have some comments on policy, but i'll deliver those after. he's saw, thank you. >> well, thank you very much, steve. and before we get to our final speaker, i am reminded that professor fair has to leave at 11:30. so i thought that if there were one or two questions that specifically touch on the legal and judicial issues that she raised, i will take them now, and thenly turn to our final paneli

shame of pakistan. it is the double shame of men who speak of honor, but instead dishonor themselves with attacks on their most loyal, genuinely loyal and able son. perhaps they will come to reflect upon this, reflect upon what true owner requires. perhaps discover what a great american president abraham lincoln once described as the better angels of their nature. i hope so and pray so. pray that hussein was due able to return to his crate and patriotic vocation, and the health of this country. for the president's comment is my last duty to turn over our brother destruction to our panelists. let me only found that they are all lifelong union, distinguish students and lifelong friends of packaged and. and also associated with the most distinguished dictation from washington. the presidents here today in the discussion they will provide testifies to the turn for pakistan and its relations with the united states, as well as their concern for hussein haqqani. it is now my privilege and pleasure to turn over

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the india pakistan relations are better than u.s.-pakistan relations. it professes to be a democracy but it's the three most important allies of the people's republic of china, north korea and saudi arabia. so, pakistan's identity i think, think marvin hinted at this is problematic that i am confident that there are enough good people in pakistan to put husain haqqani at the top of the list who could really manage the state were they given me opportunities to do so so crises are going to continue. the fact of the military may takeover and form does not trouble me. it troubles me the most is the deeper underlying transformation of pakistan that is going on right before ours. i have some comments of policies that i will -- after lisa. >> thank you very much, steve. before we get to our final speaker i'm reminded that professor fair has to leave at 11:30 so i thought that, if there were one or two questions that specifically touch on the legal and judicial issues that she raised, i would take them now and then we will turn to our final panelist. could i re

with pakistan's military and we're talking about billions of dollars a year being spent on pakistan's military by the us going back almost a decade there so yes that money is important to pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. drone strikes some of these drone strikes are obviously in the interest of pakistan for example when pakistan taliban leaders are killed or when al qaida leaders are killed both of those organizations represent a threat to the pakistan state and i think pakistan is generally not happy when that happens the problem is of course when either civilians are killed which is we believe happens fairly frequently or with other militant organizations with which pakistan itself is friendly come under attack and that places pakistan at a significant. all goodness really with with militant organizations within its own borders i wish we had more time for this our chris woods a senior reporter of investigative journalism many thanks for coming on the program . i let's go to the r.t. was up it for you or some other headlines more around the wor

i have a lot of respect for pakistan. one of the things that is interesting is it does not have strong national identity that has bred a culture of conspiracy in betrayal and a sense of blaming extra influences of which they have no control for their own problems. this of sex in a dramatic way the way people have use communication to the advance their own ambition to undercut those or their adversaries it is a very interesting dynamic that takes place it in pakistan. when you look at the big not an attack did teh's crystallize the nature of the politics at this and the differences the way u.s. looks at things and pakistan. for example, ms. canty said we would track down bin laden no matter how long it took. and if americans had two words that summarized the results of the attack on bin laden, a mission accomplished. they have had a completely different reaction showing 55 percent of pakistan as bought the attack on been lauded killing him was a bad thing. that is not because they think that by lead to extremism is a good

many pakistanis have one foot inside pakistan and 1 foot outside pakistan. that strikes me as something which could very well be overwhelmed by populist forces and islamist forces. so in answer to your question, it is going to have to come from below as well as from above. >> a couple of observations and a small question. we talked about disengagement with pakistan. an analyst right now -- disengagement is not an option or a solution. both these countries need each other. their friendship -- >> courage to lift the microphone closer -- could you lift your microphone closer? >> we're talking here, the highest level of the american army are still engaging. it is important to bring stability -- the stability in pakistan and in afghanistan, it is independent. lisa mentioned about pakistan relationship with the u.s. these things have changed the test of time. the relationship is independent of relations of u.s. into india. it is independent of pakistan's relationship with china. both laser chips are important for china and critical -- both relationships are import

that is child's play to pakistan. they're ability to come up with intricate conspiracies for the littlest things are amazing. if they applied 1/2 of that creativity for everything that it did, they are amazingly creative. you could really see it for what happened in 2011 the assassination of the governor and the assassination of the minister of minorities, appliques of cia agent who did not have proper paperwork who was detained for shooting two people who were clearly trying to rob him. all into the interlocking conspiracies theory. you sit and think is the situation, the hour politics? and benazir is the one who summarize all of this. and pakistan is the story behind the story. we could have used you as the governor of louisiana to understand the complexities and intricacies of intrigue at its best. the book list all of these things in looks at these relationships letter so important today and in order to understand where pakistan is today for the last five decades understand the culture and to think of a strategic

his job was to set up his sources in pakistan. the dea even let him out on bail and sent him there to maintain his cover. >> that happens because there was a lot of suspicion that maybe he was simply trying to set people up. but if he had the ability to physically travel to pakistan and show his face, that would allay concerns. >> rotella: so what's to stop him in terms of the amount of trust they had in him? i mean, he could theoretically just stay there and not come back, right? >> often, what you'll see is the relationship between informant and agent sort of develops, and time goes by, there's a level of trust that gets established. >> rotella: the dea says it funded only one of gilani's trips to pakistan. but while on probation, he began traveling back and forth, often without his handlers' knowledge. on one trip, he came to lahore and attended this mosque, known for its support of the islamic militant group lashkar-e-taiba. for decades, lashkar has been fighting pakistan's guerilla war against india in the disputed region of

army field would be invading pakistan areas pakistani tribal areas where pakistan army will have to get involved in a high intensity conflict perhaps with nato on the american forces and the indians on the eastern are building up their core start military doctrine which means pakistan would be trapped between two military pincers and that is the concern to pakistan military will not wait for long the government in islamabad is not delivering it's treacherous and either the supreme court will deliver the coup de grace or the army will move him a lot about just how quickly i ask in the larger what we're hearing at the moment the plans to have peace talks u.s. backed peace talks between the taliban and the afghan government do you think they could be effective do you think that could change the whole situation that you're talking about if those talks were successful just briefly there would be no talks there's no possibility of those talks being successful they are just a fast they're going on and on really in reality on the ground taliban are trying to take up the initiative the advan

, afghanistan and pakistan, pakistan was by par the more dangerous stroo remember what he did for me? he arranged arranged for karzai and the prime minister of pakistan to be on the same show because i went to the secretary of state and said, you know, thinking that several days after that, said, thank you, knowing richard was involved, richard called me and said i can get the two of them together, and never on television before but richard convinced them they should sit at my table in washington and we had a conversation with them and got them talking with each other. obviously it didn't do any good. but richard would have been on th plane, even if he was not on power, he would have flown to afghanistan. >> yes as he did in bosnia, he went to the bosnia whenthe republicans were in the white house. >> rose: exactly. >> and that was his involvement, that was the beginning of his involvement, he was -- he didn't seem to need a title or a job to be holbrook. >> rose: indeed. reflect more on your friendship and how long you knew him and how -- >> well, ironically, all of the authors who c

where the biggest fear in washington for a long time really has been what happens in pakistan pakistan is a nuclear armed country there's always been concerned about who would get the nuclear weapons should pakistan's government fall or have major disruptions so yes that's been a fear in the united states for some time wraps oddly the u.s. has focused instead on other countries whether be afghanistan or iraq and now iran we're that threat is less but that has been behind the scenes that's been a big worry of the u.s. government but what happens in pakistan surely is crucial what happens for the future of afghanistan isn't it yes pakistan has always played a big role in afghanistan at least in modern times and that goes back to the one nine hundred eighty s. when the reagan administration enlisted essentially the pakistani government to help out in the war against the soviet forces in afghanistan that was a case where the reagan administration made a number of concessions to islamic extremists not only within sight within the pakistani government which was then working toward a nuclear

today, pakistan buried two policemen. as well as battling that's enemy, the civilian government is facing a conflict with its own army. the military is on the warpath because of a mysterious memo, asking the americans to help prevent a coup. it was since last may in the turbulent days after osama bin laden was killed on pakastani sold -- soil. it conveys a strong, urgent, in direct message to the army chief. in parliament today, another crisis session. the interior minister insists the government will serve its full term until 2013. >> with democracy, there are ups and downs. yes, we do have a bumpy flights, but we landed in safety in a very nice way. >> but are you having a difficult time with the army -- >> no. the difference of opinion is always there. >> will this government still be in position next week? >> [unintelligible] >> the interior minister is trying to send a message year. with the army and the government engaging in open a verbal warfare, it could be gone within days. >> inside parliament, the defiance of

the pakistan army does remain popular with the people of pakistan, particularly in the punjab where its bases. everything going on especially after osama bin laden's killing, the popularity of the army has gone down a great deal. they are not just in a position to just margin. this may push the government over the brink and rear range elections or a national government. a charismatic leader that can bring a new agenda to pakistan and promise new hope, new dignity. that might be one route. >> the broader issue is the effectiveness of the government while this is going on. can it deal with an insurgency? can it be a useful ally to the u.s.? >> these are the huge problems facing pakistan on the horizon. you have the crisis on the western border with afghanistan. you have internal problems, people don't understand. you have a simmering civil war situation. the government needs to be led by people who are wise, who have a vision, and have compassion and can bring the people of pakistan together in a way that offers them dignity. right now, the people pakistan are under immense pressure and t

on pakistan's military by the u.s. going back almost a decade now so yes that money is important to pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. drone strikes continues to claim that it hasn't killed a single civilian in pakistan since back in may two thousand and ten euros research on the shows quite the opposite we've got a minimum of fifty three civilians were killed in pakistan where you are still in the last few. years homeless one hundred twenty six it is fair to say i would say that civilians do get killed or the question here is. war in the tribal areas of pakistan and what kind of authority does it have to actually carry out these drone strikes and up to ninety minute. past the hour in the russian capital time to update you on our main news stories from around the world now in our world update and first to nigeria the government has warned that the nation's fuel strike could lead to anarchy demonstrations and the nine people have been killed since monday has become the longest natio

on pakistan's military by the u.s. going back almost a decade there so yes that money is important to pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. drone strikes syria continues to claim that it hasn't killed a single civilian in pakistan since back in may two thousand and ten the bureau's research on the shows quite the opposite and we documented a minimum of fifty three civilians were killed in pakistan where you were still in the first few. years homer's hundred twenty six it is fair to say also that civilians do get killed in war the question here is. war in the tribal areas of pakistan and what kind of authority does it have to actually carry out these drone strikes british police have been accused of crossing the line when it comes to upholding law and order by stopping and searching people they deem in any way suspicious those who are most often considered to be up to no good by authorities believe there is one reason behind it and that is skin color ati's i will bet i this is supposed

pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. drone strikes continues to cry but it hasn't killed a single civilian in pakistan since two thousand and ten euros research on the shows quite the opposite of a minimum of fifty three civilians were killed in pakistan where you were storing this was sheer number may be as high as one hundred twenty six it is fair to say it was you that civilians do get killed war the question here is is the united states at war in the tribal areas of pakistan and what kind of authority does it have to actually carry out these drone strikes and daniels here and i would with the business but for now at the arts the world update for you some other international headlines in brief first our attention to that of the iranian capital tehran it's where one of the country's nuclear scientists has been killed by a car bomb mostafa. reportedly supervised a department at the rather uranium enrichment plant he thought he is to have pointed the finger of blame at israel. it is the fourth scientists to be killed in

and trying to rebuild thatas noe about pakistan, but he thought that of the two, afghanistan and pakistan, pakistan was by par the more dangerous stroo remember what he did for me? he arranged arranged for karzai and the prime minister of pakistan to be on the same show because i went to the secretary of state and said, you know, thinking that several days after that, said, thank you, knowing richard was involved, richard called me and said i can get the two of them together, and never on television before but richard convinced them they should sit at my table in washington and we had a conversation with them and got them talking with each other. obviously it didn't do any good. but richard would have been on th plane, even if he was not on power, he would have flown to afghanistan. >> yes as he did in bosnia, he went to the bosnia whenthe republicans were in the white house. >> rose: exactly. >> and that was his involvement, that was the beginning of his involvement, he was -- he didn't seem to need a title or a job to be holbrook. >> rose: indeed. reflect more on your friendship and how

, afghanistan and pakistan, pakistan was by par the more dangerous stroo remember what he did for me? he arranged arranged for karzai and the prime minister of pakistan to be on the same show because i went to the secretary of state and said, you know, thinking that several days after that, said, thank you, knowing richard was involved, richard called me and said i can get the two of them together, and never on television before but richard convinced them they should sit at my table in washington and we had a conversation with them and got them talking with each other. obviously it didn't do any good. but richard would have been on th plane, even if he was not on power, he would have flown to afghanistan. >> yes as he did in bosnia, he went to the bosnia whenthe republicans were in the white house. >> rose: exactly. >> and that was his involvement, that was the beginning of his involvement, he was -- he didn't seem to need a title or a job to be holbrook. >> rose: indeed. reflect more on your friendship and how long you knew him and how -- >> well, ironically, all of the authors who c

what's going on with pakistan and indeed the u.s. over the afghanistan problem do you think there is a chance that we could see taliban rule returning once again to afghanistan what was possible of the top. don't don't you know the talks fall horribly wrong i mean the taliban they want some time a bill on time on a prisoner release as well they want some of their members to be off the you know the kill list i think the u.n. has and the thing is i don't see how this can be pulled off without afghanistan pakistan the taliban any the united states sitting down together in the same room because i can see some back backroom deals between afghanistan and pakistan. possibly the taliban in afghanistan and taliban in pakistan separately you know i think that all members have to be involved in the talks for the any chance of peace and for it to work properly george we'll leave it there thanks very much indeed george joining us live from the usa thank you. when it's been a turbulent week for poland which saw from.

in pakistan. and in that camp, there are many kids that are previously were going to school and now they have no school and the cost to help them go would be about one month per month per child. fifth grader 20 bucks a year. first grader five bucks a year. they get their food in the back on the mess tenth and then on the left is an extreme place where people get indoctrined into a violent islam. because of international lack of help for those kids to get implicated these kids are here. there's another camp here. osama bin ladins first assistant. spent two-years in gann tan know bay in cuba and he's running large camp and just down that the united states, 212 mash units. what's going on is they're agenda is to get people to be dependent and indoctrinate the violent islam. unfortunately we're a nonprofit in the states if we go into the camps or talk with anybody there we're affiliating with a terrorist organization and shut down by the, irs so we created a viral incubator for terrorists similar to w

>> fareed, pakistan has moved on. the media, the independent television journals have changed pakistan. this is no longer the old days where the military could walk in. the level of political awareness in pakistan is such that across the board, this consensus that military dictatorship or military governments are not the answer because now we have a history of military dictatorships. and it's like curing cancer with disparin. the problem eases for a while and then the cancer spreads much more. so i don't think there's any chance of a military coup. >> but what about the way in which the military is taking on the civilian government. we have people say that the courts are acting in support of the military. they've -- they're attacking the prime minister. there's this case relating to memogate. there seems to be a kind of concerted effort to weaken the civilian government. >> you know, fareed, the biggest enemy of the government is the government itself. it is the worst government in the history of pakistan. it is the m

pakistan has just passed new laws meant to help protect women. they will mean longer sentences in cases of violence against women and make specific crimes of things like forced marriage. while human rights groups welcome the laws, the legislation relieves only part of the problem. >> the community has a mind set against the rights of women, and they do not want women to go outside the home. they think they'll take away their own decisions. they want them in home. >> she is in her 50's. she was in her home after an argument with her son's wife when she says two men burst into the yard. she recognize them as relatives of her daughter-in-law. she says they forced her into her room where they beat her and raped her. death would have been better than this, she says. "since what happened to me, i am tired of life. it is like to have a disease with no cure. it is difficult for me to even eat. -- even eat." there are countless women in pakistan for whom change is coming far too slowly. >> for more on what can be done to improve the lives of women in paki

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i think it will suit the pakistan team. if you look at the two squads, england is [unintelligible] and it's going to be tough, but we have peterson and cook and strauss. >> that was andrew talking awhile ago. our website, bbc.com/news has the latest on the situation coming out of iran. they are blaming the u.s. and israeli intelligence for the killing of a nuclear scientist in the iranian capital. the news agency over there says that mostafa ahmadi-roshan died when a motorcyclist placed a bomb on his car. it killed the university lecturer who worked at the uranium enrichment facility. iran says it will not stop the country from pursuing nuclear ambitions. more on the website. bbc.com/news. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu. newman's own foundation. and union bank. >> you are no longer in the service. only an outsider. >> all i want from you -- >> it will take a master spy to catch a spy. >> what are you doing

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sentiment in pakistan. it may also delay pakistani's reopening of separate routes for international forces in afghanistan which have been closed since the border incident in november. nhk world. >> and turning to india, of two decades of rapid economic growth, the country still suffers widespread poverty with all its associated problems and one of those is malnutrition. and the prime minister has been to so far as to call the problem shameful. being said in new delhi on tuesday, asia's third-biggest economy had failed to provide its children with enough to eat. >> the problem of malnutrition is a matter of national shame. despite an impressive growth in our gdp, the level of undernutrition in the country is unacceptably high. >> the prime minister was speaking at the launch of the 2011 hunger and malnutrition survey. the report says 42% of indian children age 5 or younger are underweight and that's almost double the rate in africa. the survey compiled by an indian charity also suggests that malnutrition is

pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. . strikes syria continues to claim but it hasn't killed a single civilian in pakistan since two thousand and ten the bureau's research on this shows quite the opposite a. minimum of fifty three civilians were killed in pakistan where you were in the first few. years horace hundred twenty six it is fair to say it was true that civilians do get killed more the question here is. war in the tribal areas of pakistan and what kind of authority does it have to actually carry out these drone strikes. british police have been accused of crossing the line when it comes to upholding law and order by stopping and searching people they deem in any way suspicious those who are most often considered to be up to no good by authorities believe there is one reason behind it skin color parties are the bennetts has this report. this is supposed to prevent terrorism police in britain have free rein to stop and search anyone they deem suspicious but what constitutes suspicious he's hugely controversial no st

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on pakistan's military by the u.s. going back almost a decade there so yes that money is important to pakistan and i think that's an important aspect of leverage for the u.s. drone strikes continues to cry but it hasn't killed a single civilian in pakistan since two thousand and ten euros research on the shows quite the opposite so we've got to mention a minimum of fifty three civilians were killed in pakistan where you were struck in the first few number maybe as high as one hundred twenty six it is fair to say it was civilians do get killed war the question here is. war in the tribal areas of pakistan and what kind of authority does it have to actually carry out these drone strikes. not some news making headlines around the world. first to nigeria in the world update the government has warned that the nation's fuel strike could lead to anarchy as demonstrations enter the third day people have been killed since monday in what has become the longest nationwide strike in nigeria's history comes after the government ende