there are many catholics that say i do take my cues on social issues from the catholic church. i argue that progressive catholics, i'm not sure that they are embracing their progressive positions, because there are catholic bishops who are telling them that paul ryan is a dangerous extremist rather than often types because they are public employees, because they a gal therrien liberals who by the buffett plan is a great idea. it could be catholic social teaching in some broader sense, but again, that's what's at work here, different domains, different issues. >> let's talk about the catholic voting bloc. 25% of the electorate is catholic. a swing group is white catholics who do not go to church regularly. how does this play out in 2012, the church and its positions sort of seem to differ on various issues? >> catholics must be inspired by the holy spirit because they almost always vote for the winner. but the real reason they almost vote for the winner is because the catholic population reflects, to some degree, the diversity of the country. it's a large latino component, 10% o

another prominent catholic who's very proud of his catholic faith can justify these kind of cuts look we need to take our budget deficit seriously we need to have a frank debate but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it and the struggling middle class the poor they have not caused our budget deficit they're not causing our debt you know two wars on a credit card. unsustainable tax cuts for the wealthy and i think we need broader values debate about these issues how do we in fact it seems to me that we actually need to be framing all of these things as a values debate not necessarily a religious one although if that if those are the terms that they want to define service certainly it will birth control what's you know. put it in religious context. how do you think that's best done. well i think you know broader value a broader values debates means let's talk about issues of economic justice let's talk about poverty you know for example catholic bishops back in this is way back in one thousand nine hundred another ryan month senior john ryan who is a progress a populist catholic

do catholic stuff. i'm not going to listen to them. i just want you to keep that in mind, because it says something really significant about how religion and politics were intertwined in 1960. all right. now, this -- the more things change, the more they stay the same because i want to draw a contrast now between the way catholics were perceived back when kennedy was running and other groups today. so gallup has asked the same question. they said lots of different groups, i haven't put all of them on the slide, but jews, mormons and catholics, the percentage of americans who say they would vote for a jew has risen over the last 40 years until it's now pretty well at a near-universal level. not quite, but it's well within that margin of error where we could say, basically, everybody in america would be comfortable with at least saying they'd vote for a jew. but compare that to the line for mormons. this is truly remarkable. gallup first asked a question about a mormon presidential candidate back in 1968

another prominent catholic who's very proud of his catholic faith can justify these kind of cuts look we need to take our budget deficit seriously we need to have a frank debate but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it and the struggling middle class the poor they have not caused our budget deficit they're not causing our debt you know two wars on a credit card. unsustainable tax cuts for the wealthy and i think we need a broader values debate about these issues how do we in fact it seems to me that we actually need to be framing these things as a values debate not necessarily a religious one although if that if those are the terms that they want to define service certainly we birth control oh yeah let's. put it in religious context. how do you think that's best done. well i think you know broader is value a broader values debates means let's talk about issues of economic justice let's talk about poverty you know for example the catholic bishops back in this is way back in one thousand nine hundred another ryan monsignor john ryan who is a progress a populist catholic priest w

teachings of the catholic church. right or wrong? >> if he submitted that budget nat class on catholic teaching at georgetown university and claimed that it was backed up by catholic social teaching, he would get an? no class. this is nonsense. it guts programs for the court. one of the thing that cathy lick social teaching is extremely concerned about is how we treat the poor the vul non-responsive neverable, the disadvantaged in society. what we do for them. mr. ryan's budget gets an f on that. >> your letter was signed by some 90 faculty members and some pretty big names on that letter father. but, also, he got a challenge from the catholic bishops? correct. >> absolutely. this is clearly a place where academics and bishops are on the same page. the bishops had pointed out that his budget just doesn't pass the moral criteria that they think are necessary for a budget. you know, they say that a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on dispropportionat cuts and essential services to the poor person. >> that's

conference on catholic bishops. >> these are not all the catholic bishops. we disagree. we think quadrupling spending in this area has not succeeded to get people out of poverty. one in six people are in poverty. the highest in a generation. >> what's amazing about that is the u.s. conference of catholic bishops said we are actually -- we are all the catholic bishops. >> when the pope speaks, are they offer all the catholics speaking at one time? of course. it's like saying the trinity spoke, not the holy ghost and god. the position of the church has to be taken seriously. the u.s. catholic bishops 0 who have a long tradition of speaking about concerns for the poor has to be taken into consideration. >> you have to consider though, there's here. you had the contraception debate a few months ago, yes, the bishops had a position there too but much louder in expressing that position. if you went to church on sunday, you heard about it. >> they coordinated politically with the house republican leadership. partly because it affected their employees as the their institutions i

well, as we said, the influx of roman catholic immigrants had helped spawn groups of anti-catholic natives. they were organized first into secret fraternal organizations, so-called no nothing lodges. they're given that name. they're secret fraternal organizations so when you're asked to talk about this group that you belong to, you're supposed to say, well, i know nothing, right? and so the name sort of stuck. nativists came from lower middle class backgrounds and they feared both the political and economic consequences of the arrival of thousands of immigrants, especially catholics, through the democratic party native vices believed that the catholics could secretly control the government. and they talked about catholics being loyal to a foreign power, to a foreign pope. plus thousands of immigrants would also, argue the nativists, lower the wages of workers in the cities and push native born americans into what one editor called -- one nativist newspaper editor called pushing us into the western wild. so the political side of the issue here was probably the strongest for the nativists.s.

speaks out on the president's intentions to cover contraceptive costs in his healthcare plan, even for catholics. are you good with that? >> no. >>> schieffer: and what about the candidate's religions? >> there may be reasons not to vote for mitt romney as president of the united states that he is mormon cannot be one of them. >> schieffer: then we will turn to our panel, richard land of the southern baptist convention. >> let's stop the hypocrisy of one party, the religion left, religious left of the democratic party -- >> schieffer: andrew still van of newsweek, rabbi david wolpe of sinai temple in los angeles, luis cortez of esperanza, and our new feature, the google plus hangout. this is face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: and good morning, again, welcome to face the nation, we are beginning this morning with the news that mike wallace died overnight. mike was 93. he had been ill for many years. his colleague and his friend morley safer went -- >> he was what. >> with you. >> why? >> really, when you br

catholic teaching. they condemn some of the provisions of the plan aimed at reducing the deficit. for future seniors as well as cuts in food aid and other programs for the poor while at the same time cutting taxes for the wealthy. they're arguing that paul rooya is unfairly targeting the poor in this budget and that does not follow catholic teaching. he defends the budget today saying it does embody the catholic teaching taking power away from bureaucrats and give it back more to local communities. talking to some of the catholic critics did not seem more persuaded as they left the speech today. as you know, though, john, this has become an important political document, as well. >> very, very important political document in this campaign. ahead, 194 days to election day. thanks, see you bit later. 90 faculty members sent ryan a letter objecting to his approach saying we'd be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your misuse of catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that d

today ryan who is catholic spoke at the georgetown university. the reception he received was a bit chilly. ryan claims his faith guided his budget cuts, but nearly 90 of the school's faculty members and priests sent him a letter ahead of the appearance telling ryan he better go back and read his bible. they wrote, quote, we roob remiss if we did not chal cheng your continuing misuse of catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food plans for struggling families and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. here is just one aspect of the congressman's budget that they disagree with. it would cut funding for food stamps by about $133 billion over the course of ten years. ryan took the stage today as planned. >> i suppose there are some catholics who for a long time thought they had a monopoly of sorts. not exactly on heaven, but on the social teaching of our church, of course there can be differences among faithful catholics on this. the work i do as a catholic holding office conforms to the social doctrine as best i can make of i

catholic church. it is run by a fraudulent operator who is a divorced man, which is the kind of thing that used to get you excommunicated in the catholic church. jon stewart's reputation will be unaffected by that sort of nonsense. joining me now is sister jeanine gramick for the national coalition of american nuns. she was also silenced by the vatican in 1999 for ministering to gays and lesbians. and jeff stone, communications director of dignity usa which advocates for justice and the lgbt community within the catholic church. jeff stone, a bishop standing in a pulpit in a mass in this country comparing president barack obama to hitler and stalin, how could that possibly happen? >> well, i think it's really kind of an act of desperation, lawrence. i think it's an example of how out of touch the church is with the lay people. you know, we see with gay issues particularly. and you refer to the parishes in seattle that are refusing to go along with the campaign to overturn gay marriage there. we have n

well, as we said, the influx of roman catholic immigrants had helped spawn groups of anti-catholic nativists. they were organized first into secret fraternal organizations, so-called know nothing lodges. you know how they're given that name. they're secret fraternal organizations so when you're asked to talk about this group that you belong to, you're supposed to say, well, i know nothing, right? and so the name sort of stuck. nativists came from lower middle class backgrounds and they feared both the political and economic consequences of the arrival of thousands of immigrants, especially catholics, through the democratic party nativists believed that the catholics could secretly control the government. and they talked about catholics being loyal to a foreign power, to a foreign pope. in the form of the pope. plus thousands of immigrants would also, argue the nativists, lower the wages of workers in the cities and push native born americans into what one editor called -- one nativist newspaper editor called -- pushing us into the western wilds. so the political side of the issue here was pr

>> well, the catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, there will always be people who need food stamps in this country. you won't be spreading the wealth around equally, i don't believe paul rye -- ryan supports that. his budget proposed more than $100 billion cut to food stamps. if you are in the beans advocacy program you need food stamps at the end of it. paul ryan's proposal, you're earning less than the average wage in a rust belt state, you know people who are on food stamps. i don't know how you go out and win an election on that. >> the republicans are amazing. they are in denial of the number of children that go to bed every night hungry, 16 million kids in this country go to bed hungry, a number they don't address. they say we have to have a good economy to take care of them. you know what? not everybody in our economy will make it. there will always be a certain number of peo

catholic population. but the catholic population nevertheless dropped 1.1% despite the hispanic influx. you want to speak to that? >> you're seeing not just hispanics, but africans, immigrants populating our churches now in a faster rate than the old school families whose younger folks are drifting away from organized ring. this is given the church a new life in america and it's affecting a lot of our perceptions of future america. >> if it weren't for imgrant, the catholic church would have lost one-fourth of its membership in the last half century. catholics are 25% of the population, john. but only one-fourth of them attend church regularly. one in every 10 americans is a catholic. used to be the dominant force in america. they're 12% of it. protestants, who are 99% of the country, are now at 50% and falling. athiests about 16%. >> people are shopping around everywhere, changing religions, looking for choice. it's like -- in starbucks. [overlapping speakers] >> i think you'll see the catholic numbers t

that is alienating a lot of ordinary catholics who actually want to be catholics. they don't want to be political operatives. >> well, i mean, i think all we have to do is look at a picture of all of those guys testifying. this is about celibate men making a decision for millions and millions and millions of women. i think that picture alone will make a huge difference. you talk about it not being about contraception not being about religion, but they equate it to abortion because they talk about the morning after pill, which is in effect murder, and so once you get into abortion, which they consider some forms of contraception, then that becomes a whole different issue. it then becomes a religious issue for them, but i just wanted to say one more thing. when you are talking about this whole issue of separation of church and state, obama is going to face a real problem in the fall because right now 15% to 20% of the people in this country believe that he is a muslim, but i think in this case the same people who, 15% or 20% who think that mormonism is evil, are the

. >> although the catholic church is at the battle, it is getting support from protestants and catholics. like rick warren who addressed it this week. >> i don't have a problem with contraceptions, i am an vab evangelical but support my catholic brothers and sisters. >> they are focussing quote, all the energies the catholic community can muster, john waage, cbn news. >>> can christian employees be forbidden from wearing crosses at work? british government says yes. christians are taking their case to the european court of human rights. >> each day nurse shirley chaplin wears this cross as a symbolic reminder of her christian face. >> to me it is almost symbolic like a wedding band. i made the vows to be a christian at 16, 17. i have never taken it off. >> if the british government has it this way, she'll lose her rights to wear a cross the work that employers have the right to ban employees from wearing the cross and fire them if they insist on doing so. >> cbn news has been following shirley chaplin's case since 2010 when she filed for discrimination. >> by making that kind of statemen

a little bit of your story or your background >>> i began my adult life as a dominican and a roman catholic church the dominican order and was working there for 34 years and writing theology and so forth. but the present hope head of the combination of faith came after me and effectively fired me crummy expelled from the quarter after a 34 years but i kept teaching and what from holy names college in oakland where was for 12 years >>> why was the expulsion >>> i called godmother i did know that was a heresy and approved all of the medieval called her mother and then i support woman's organization and i don't condone bay people. it was a list like that that wasn't very impressive. >>> original blessing was the first book that i read of coated it many times why was it so upsetting for the church and others? >>> i think it starts things over frankly. since the fourth century the church built a lot of edifice on a writ of original sin and side jewish concepts and jesus never heard of it so it's not good theology with its trade empire building if you wanted empire humans will teach a regional 7

and, let's face it, on that issue it is not the catholic church. it is the catholic hierarchy. most catholics disagree with the hierarchy and they have long since disagreed with them. it is the catholic hierarchy, the evangelical right. that's the weird thing. rick santorum hasn't won catholic votes. this is not about catholic conscience. 98% of them clearly don't have a conscience problem with contraception. they're not being -- their conscience isn't being violated whatsoever. my concern is that the church and the churches have become politicized. they regard their primary, if you listen to how the bishops prepared for this moment, how they strategized for it, how they attempt to want to bring obama and make him a one-term president because of this, that is alienating a lot of ordinary catholics who actually want to be catholics. they don't want to be political operatives. >> well, i mean, i think all we have to do is look at a picture of all of those guys testifying. this is about celibate men making a decision for millions and millions and millions of women. and i think tha

>> well, tleb catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, there will always be people who need food stamps in this country. you won't be spreading the wealth around equally, i don't believe paul rirye -- ryan supports that. his budget proposed more than $100 million cut to food stamps. if you are in the beans advocacy program you need food stamps at the end of it. paul ryan's proposal, you're earning less than the average wage in a rust belt state, you know people who are on food stamps. i don't know how you go out and win an election on that. >> the republicans are amazing. they are in denial of the number of children that go to bed every night hungry, 16 million kids in this country go to bed hungry, a number they don't address. they say we have to have a good economy to take care of them. you know what? not everybody in our economy will make it. there will always be a certain number of p

tonight, the teacher versus the catholic school. >>> and up all night. news tonight about how many of us don't get enough sleep and why it matters so much. "nightly news" starts now. >>> good evening. i'm savannah guthrie in tonight for brian. from the moment word broke about misconduct by secret service agents advancing the president's trip to colombia. some wondered whether it was a one-time incident or part of a larger cultural problem. at the agency. now, one day after the homeland security secretary said she believed it was an isolated incident, tonight, the secret service is investigating another allegation. this one during the president pfsz trip last year to els salvad salvador. it's an allegation only, not yet verified, but it adds to the growing headache to the people charged with protecting the president. nbc's kristen welker has the story tonight. kristen, good evening. >> the white house says despite the new allegations, the president continues to believe the majority of secret service and military personnel behaved responsibly and professio

there are no other catholic choir schools. the reasons -- changing tastes in music, the costs of training the boys, and the trend toward boy-girl choirs. here, daily rehearsals start each morning before 8:00. >> at that first rehearsal, i'll do some exercises to warm up different parts of their voices. okay, let's get the lips warmed up. we do arpeggios with funny words. "my car has flat tires" is one that we often do. >> reporter: the boys, most of whom are catholic, must learn to sight-read hundreds of pieces of music. >> the boys sing music right from the word "go" in music history. they sing classical music as well as the music by mozart, hayden, mass settings by those composers, and into the romantic period with motet-bruckner, mendelssohn, romantic composers, and then into the modern day as well. >> good. let's just try the right hand alone from here, okay? >> reporter: each student is also required to learn to play the piano. some learn other instruments as well. alex pattavina, a tenth grader, learned to play the organ

there can be differences among faithful catholics on this. the work i do conforms ot social doctrine the best i can make of it. what i have to say is from the viewpoint of a catholic in politics applying my understanding to the problems of the day. >> sister, what's your last word on the good fight between you and paul ryan tonight? >> paul ryan needs to read charity and truth. he needs truth. the truth is those that suffer at the margins of the society are the ones that jesus cares about. they're the ones our society should care about, and it's the ones that the republican budget, his budget, leave out. that's wrong, it's morally wrong, and his faith understanding is seriously flawed. >> amen. >> you are really coaching, going to benedict on this one. congratulations for finding a liberal doctrine from pope benedict the sixth. thank you, you both know your stuff. up next, john tester's victory six years ago helped democrats win control of the senate. we're talking about a man manning the out post out in montana. ahhh, now that's a clean mout

there can be differences among faithful catholics on this. the work i do conforms ot social doctrine the best i can make of it. what i have to say is from the viewpoint of a catholic in politics applying my understanding to the problems of the day. >> sister, what's your last word on the good fight between youç and paul ryan tonight? >> paul ryan needs to read charity and truth. he needs truth. the truth is those that suffer at the margins of the society are the ones that jesus cares about. they're the ones our society should care about, and it's the ones that the republican budget, his budget, leave out. that's wrong, it's morally wrong, and his faith understanding is seriously flawed. >> amen. >> you are really coaching, going to benedict on this one. congratulations for finding a liberal doctrine from pope benedict the sixth. thank you, you both know your stuff. up next, john tester's victory six years ago helped democrats win control of the senate. we're talking about a man manning the out post out in montana. >>> in the four years sinc

tonight, the teacher versus the catholic school. >>> and up all night. news tonight about how many of us don't get enough sleep and why it matters so much. "nightly news" starts now. >>> good evening. i'm savannah guthrie in tonight for brian. from the moment word broke about misconduct by secret service agents advancing the president's trip to colombia. some wondered whether it was a one-time incident or part of a larger cultural problem. now, the homeland security secretary said she believed it was an isolated incident. tonight, they're investigating another isolated incident. it's an allegation only, not yet verified, but it growed to the adding headache. kristen welker has the story. >> the white house says despietd the new allegations, the president continues to believe the majority of secret service and military personnel behaved responsibly and professionally. the nagging questions persist in the wake of the cartagena prostitution scandal. lawmakers and the obama administration acknowledge today investigators are looking into new allegations of mi

the work that i do as a catholic holding office, conforms. is from the viewpoint of a catholic in politics applying my understanding to the problems of the day. >> paul ryan needs to read the book by pope benedict, "charity and truth." the truth is those who suffer at the margins of our society are the ones jesus cares about. they're the ones our society cares about,. that's wrong, it's morally wrong and his faith understanding is seriously flawed. >> i thought you were going to go to louis xiii. thanks for finding a liberal doctor. thank you, sister. . >>> how democrats win control of the united states senate.ç john testa coming up next. this is "hardball." great shot. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? by building on the cisco intelligent network they're able to serve up live video, and instant replays, creating fans from berlin to beijing. what can we help you build? nice shot kid. the nba around the world built by the only company that could. cisco. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with bu

>> basically, catholic health association, the association of all the catholic health care providers in the u.s., and network, stood together in favor of the senate bill which was the one that eventually passed, the affordable care act. it is not perfect. it has a long way to go, but to get everybody health care, but we thought it was a significant step forward. i think this leadership is a direct contrast to what the bishops did. the staff did an analysis of the bill and more afraid there was maybe a dime that might go from federal money to fund abortion. because of their fear, they said they could not support the healthcare bill. the fact is, one federal court in cincinnati and i think a couple of others have looked at the issue and said as a matter of law, there is no federal funding of abortion in the air bill. in addition, it is very clear the pregnant women support act is to give women an alternative to provide them with an economic option they need in order to make a conscious choice. from our perspective, this was a significant step forward. the bishops, for reasons i do not

catholic church. the roman catholic church's strength and vitality today worldwide is attributable in part to its ability to absorb and react to centuries and centuries of thoughtful criticism from inside and outside the church. father schuller knows what he's up against. he doesn't sound like a priest who expects quick action from his church. he has called the vatican, quote, an absolutist monarchy. but father schuller has reason for optimism. he told "the times," "i think that in the history of the church, a lot has changed. even if not always voluntarily, there has been new science, new technology, new practices. the teachings are always changing." vatican watcher palo seems to believe that history may be on father schuller's side. he said, in spite of the tough response of the pope, i think that the calls for reform won't diminish, they will only grow. it's a problem that the vatican will increasingly have to come to terms with. the first married priests and the first women pope will owe prayers o

not just the catholic church. if we duct tape the role of religion and churches role of americans in the place that's going to leave a deficit there are a number of people who want to fill it up name lay new religion called secularism, which would be as doctrineaire as infallible as they character the other religions as doing. to see that morally driven, religiously convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, i think that is not only at the heart of biblical religion, it's at the heart of the american enterprise. >> i want to get into one more thing before i let you go. you said the religion of secularism, all right? so it's basically the catholic church and other faith-based people and other religions against the american media entertainment industry. that's how i see it all right? the american press very secular, would you agree? >> yeah. >> and the entertainment industry pounding secularism all day long. so you find yourself on the defensive. all right? just as you are and now in the intru

>> well, tleb catholic vote they care about is the blue collar catholic vote in the rust belt. it's one thing to promise opportunity for everyone. paul ryan is right, the best way out of poverty is growth. unless you believe in some kind of utopia, there will always be people who need food stamps in this country. you won't be spreading the wealth around equally, i don't believe paul rye -- ryan supports that. his budget proposed more than $100 million cut to food stamps. if you are in the beans advocacy program you need food stamps at the end of it. paul ryan's proposal, you're earning less than the average wage in a rust belt state, you know people who are on food stamps. i don't know how you go out and win an election on that. >> the republicans are amazing. they are in denial of the number of children that go to bed every night hungry, 16 million kids in this country go to bed hungry, a number they don't address. they say we have to have a good economy to take care of them. you know what? not everybody in our economy will make it. there will always be a certain number of peo

not just the catholic church. if we duct tape the role of religion and churches role of americans in the place that's going to leave a deficit there are a number of people who want to fill it up name lay new religion called secularism, which would be as doctrineaire as infallible as they character the other religions as doing. to see that morally driven, religiously convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, i think that is not only at the heart of biblical religion, it's at the heart of the american enterprise. >> i want to get into one more thing before i let you go. you said the religion of secularism, all right? so it's basically the catholic church and other faith-based people and other religions against the american media entertainment industry. that's how i see it all right? the american press very secular, would you agree? >> yeah. >> and the entertainment industry pounding secularism all day long. so you find yourself on the defensive. all right? just as you are and now in the intru

tonight, the teacher versus the catholic school. >>> and up all night. news tonight about how many of us don't get enough sleep and why it matters so much. "nightly news" starts now. >>> good evening. i'm savannah guthrie in tonight for brian. from the moment word broke about misconduct by secret service agents advancing the president's trip to colombia. some wondered whether it was a one-time incident or part of a larger cultural problem. at the agency. now, one day after the homeened security secretary said she believed it was an isolated snentd, tonight, the secret service is investigating another incident. this one during last year's trip to elval vudore. it's an allegation only, not yet verified, but it adds to the growing headache to the people charged with protecting the president. kristen welker has the story. >> the white house says despite the new allegations, the president continues to believe the majority of secret service and military personnel behaved responsibly and professionally. the nagging questions persist in the wake of the cartagena