. >> karl let me start with you. why is that not a compelling argument? >> the independent fact checkers came out today and said it was mostly incorrect. you asked if he had a political leg to stand on he has two of them, but they are wooden and infested with termites. there is a reason people perceive a war on women happening. it is happening all over the country. so there's -- you know every reason for the romney folks to be concerned, but for them to claim that this president has waged his own war on women is ridiculous. i would be laughing if it wasn't so sad and desperate. >> james come on let's get real on the recession. the jobs lost were obviously started by george bush and a great number of jobs -- let me give you the number here -- 13 months before bush left office, men lost over 3.2 million jobs. so men lost the jobs first. for them to turn around and say because of the bush recession, we lost jobs for women afterwards. that seems a little ridiculous doesn't it? >> much of this conversation is ridiculous. the economy has been bad. it has been b

. >> karl let me start with you. why is that not a compelling argument? >> the independent fact checkers came out today and said it was mostly incorrect. you asked if he had a political leg to stand on, he has two of them, but they are wooden and infested with termites. there is a reason people perceive a war on women happening. it is happening all over the country. so there's -- you know, every reason for the romney folks to be concerned but for them to claim that this president has waged his own war on women is ridiculous. i would be laughing if it wasn't so sad and desperate. >> james come on let's get real on the recession. the jobs lost were obviously started by george bush and a great number of jobs -- let me give you the number here -- 13 months before bush left office, men lost over 3.2 million jobs. so men lost the jobs first. for them to turn around and say because of the bush recession, we lost jobs for women afterwards. that seems a little ridiculous doesn't it? >> much of this conversation is ridiculous. the economy has been bad. it has been

if karl rove let me steal his little whiteboard i can show you how the 2009 military commissions act rules match up very nicely against the court-martial rules in standard court-martials for federal trials for that matter. the congress put in a place a rule no evidence submitted by cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment can be used. so i think the defense may try to make this a mini-trial within a trial, martha and use allegations of waterboarding, et cetera, to try to knock out some of the charges or all of them. the government, the chief prosecutor said, look, we'll use standard vanilla evidence, the same evidence we would use in federal court. that is where the clash is going to be. i think you set it up right. martha: at one point in this case khalid sheikh mohammed said he wanted to plead guilty and wanted to be martyred. >> right. martha: that would certainly move things right along. do you think that is still the case? do you think he will plead guilty again this proceeding? >> look, ksm is a ego-maniac. he will do what he can to disrupt the proceedings. he knows he will nev

>>guest: no, i don't, but let me specify, karl rove elected a president, twice; i am just a little old college, professor living in charlottesville, virginia, so consider the source. i don't believe that obama is over 270, init is -- i think its highly competitive and we are in the gray area, economically, where it is tough to sell recovery. but people are not convinced the who is going down the drain, either. this is going to mean that the skill of the candidates and their teams will determine the results of the november 6 election. >>neil: well put, as always, larry, thank you, professor. cashing in before they cast their ballots? meek -- mike huckabee says the timing of the health care rebaits is in coincidence. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help

let me play that. >> he sounded great, he appealed to young voters last time around, 18% of the electorate, significant expansion of their share of the electorate. didn't turn out too good. a lot of people who can't bring themselves, young people who can't vote for romney will stay homer disappointed in president obama. >> that is obviously what karl rove is trying to get at here, susan, but also look, when you look at the polls, the one thing that president obama absolutely kills and i mean kills mitt romney on, besides the youth vote is likeability. so they are trying to take his likeability, right and turn it in something negative. >> also trying to say you probably care about things, americans, you think are more important than when -- which presidential candidate you like the best and that is how your life is going. one of the things that is interesting about the particular crossroads ad it targets the people who are most attracted to obama's coolness. and that is young people. for the the statistics they show in the ad are all statistics that affect young people. young college gradua

thank you for joining me. >> thank you for letting me part of the five-and-a-half. >> eric: coming up. president bush is back in the news today. what does 43 think of president obama's tax the rich plan? we tell you all about it when we come back. dobe forget to e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: well, it's that season. it happens every year. it's tax season. and ahergy season for some people. president bush was in new york city today. part of his, the bush center, go to bushcenter.com you can read more about this. he put together different economy to look at growth and target 4% growth. listen to what the former president said today. >> if you raise taxes, on the so-called rich, you are really raising taxes on the job creators. if the goal is private sector growth, you have to recognize the best way to create that growth is leave capital in the treasury of the job creators. >> dana: well, bob just groaned loudly. we'll listen to one more person who was there today. it was chris christie, governor chris christie of new jersey. i heard from

thank you for joining me. >> thank you for letting me part of the five-and-a-half. >> eric: coming up. president bush is back in the news today. what does 43 think of president obama's tax the rich plan? we tell you all about it when we come back. dobe forget to e-mail us at thefive@foxnews.com. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ [ tom ] we invented the turbine business right here in schenectady. without the stuff that we make here, you wouldn't be able to walk in your house and flip on your lights. they go into power plants which take some form of energy, harness it, and turn it into more efficient electricity. [ ron ] when i was a kid i wanted to work with my hands, that was my thing. i really enjoy building turbines. it's nice to know that what you're building is gonna do something for the world. when people think of ge, they typically don't think about beer. a lot of people may not realize that the power needed to keep their budweiser cold and even to make their beer comes from turbines made right here. wait, so you guys make the beer? no, we make the power that makes the beer. so witho

do this is the marketeers harald senator hey there karl i let's start by taking a look at this historically the income tax system was sold to americans as a program to help uncle sam during and after world war two that is every citizen's patriotic duty to pay taxes to help defeat the enemy seventy years later here we are still paying taxes to defeat the enemy and the system is so flawed and complicated talk a little bit about the road that this tax system has taken. well the the income tax goes back to the sixteenth amendment of course which gets to approximately the same time as the federal reserve so it's been around for an awfully long time but it was originally only supposed to impact a very small number of people and of course like all taxes and like all government programs it starts out small when it turns into this multi-headed to get through that you can't seem to kill no matter what you do at this point we have a system that is so convoluted that when you file your taxes you're not really sure that you can correctly you followed all the forms you've got all the instructions for whe

me tell you what some people are saying here in washington d.c. some people are saying that karl rove's ten million dollar anonymous donation came from iran's mahmoud ahmadinejad a strong ways shia muslim who's president of one of the few shia run states in the middle east some people are saying that ahmadinejad's a huge admirer of karl rove and a big supporter of the republican party after all george w. bush decided to sunni iraq not shia iran giving shia ahmadinejad heck of a lot more influence in the middle east and taking out sunni saddam hussein iran's biggest enemy against whom they fought a multi year war it cost them both billions of dollars and killed over a million people so some people are saying on the potentially in dollars if the road is payback from shia iran for all the great things rove and bush did for them against the sunni muslims in addition some people are saying that the ten million dollar donation of karl rove as strings attached and if romney wins of the republicans take the senate then all those sanctions president obama

me tell you what some people are saying here in washington d.c. some people are saying that karl rove's ten million dollar anonymous donation came from iran's mahmoud ahmadinejad a strong ways shia muslim who's president of one of the few machine iran states in the middle east some people are saying that ahmadinejad's a huge admirer of karl rove and a big supporter of the republican party after all george w. bush decided to bomb sunni iraq not shia iran giving shia ahmadinejad a lot more influence in the middle east and taking out sunni saddam hussein iran's biggest enemy against whom they fought a multi year war it cost them both billions of dollars and killed over a million people so some people are saying the potential in dollars if the road is payback from shia iran for all the great things rove and bush did for them against the sunni muslims in addition some people are saying that the ten million dollar donation of karl rove has strings attached if romney wins the republicans take the senate then all those sanctions president obama put on shi

. >>> plus, caps defenseman karl alzner joins me to discuss playoff hockey and playoff beards. he had a good one a few years ago. that's coming up in a few minutes on "sports final." >> you're busy. we'll let this be your intermission. >> i'll take a quick breath. >> catch your breath and we'll press on. thank you amber. >>> still to come a cruise through history. the unusual trip on the history -dad, why are you getting that? -that's my cereal. is there a prize in there? oh, there's a prize, all right. is it a robot? no. is it a jet plane? nope. is it a dinosaur?] [ male announcer ] inside every box of heart healthy cheerios are those great tasting little o's made from carefully selected oats that c help lower cholesterol. stickers? uh-uh. a superhero? ♪ kinda. [ male announcer ] and we think that's the best prize of all. ♪ >>> lindsay lohan is facing new allegations just two weeks after getting off probation. according to tmz, a woman filed a police report against lohan. the woman says lohan got into an altercation with her at a hollywood nightclub. law enforcement says t

let me to be will transfer the information. as president likes me treatment. a lot of your. look. all right created very so american crossroads was founded you may remember by karl rove and is funded by some other people harold simmons an eighty year old billionaire who more or less copyrighted the phrase obama is the most dangerous american alive now also behind the american crossroads money machine is perry another eighty year old billionaire from texas who was i remember him he was the mastermind behind another very effective political ad the swift boat campaign back in two thousand and four designed to discredit the democratic presidential nominee john kerry. you know in cures nor do you know him and he lacks the capacity to leave all that you. know i'm sure you're going to hear the word hero maybe treat all shipmates he lied before the senate and john cured. more of them and served with him to the designers country most certainly. are these type of values are certain to dominate the airwaves and there are a few reasons for that the most significant of which is of course the c

>>reporter: check at cracker barrel. >> he probably would. >> let me ask you. what is the secret because that is, we talked about it being unusual but i'm more interested in the why. that's not something a lot of people are able to pull off because of the pressures and all the attention and l just very difficult kind of world whether politic or entertainment. so if there's a message you could pass on to young performers who are starting out as to how to keep the family and their wit about them what would be the advice you give them. >> i think a little bit of freedom. people choke each other to death but my husband and i met before i became a star. so it was like it was not like i ever had to wonder if he loved me for me. because he did. and i loved him for him. he has a great sense of humor. he's very he's grounded and really grounding for me. we actually kind of the says stuff that jolt me he's so down to earth he keeps things on an even keel and things in perfect peck subpoenative for me. but i really think that it has to did with he has a great sense of hum

think of this. >> let's get ready to rumble! >> it really does. game on, fighters. take a look at this ad released by karl rove's superpac, american crossroads against president obama. >> oh, yeah. >> president of the united steazy. ♪ i'm so in love with you >> oh, yeah. >> nice. >> he's a jack ass. he's a jack ass. >> obama. obama. obama, obama. obama. >> i'm not sure if that one is going to be successful. it still leaves me chanting obama. but even if at first cool isn't such a bad thing, the fact is, bill clinton after all did it, he did it well when he appeared on arsenio hall in 1992. after all, that was in 1992, during his first campaign when he was a challenger. the question, if president obama runs the risk of appearing, well, unpresidential. the opposition is painting a picture of an incumbent out of touch, one that's left the american people worse off than after -- than they were four years ago. if that's their strategy, it wouldn't be the first time it's been used. >> next tuesday, all of you will go to the polls, s

when karl rove was in the website if you or me or i had called george bush a thug? imagine the outcry. >> unbelievable, those darned liberals. >> yeah. >> an apol apology. let's first talk about the republican field. it looks like it's almost over but not quite. but rick santorum says -- and i want to put aside his daughter is in the hospital. she may be home now. but he had that problem over the weekend. nothing more important than a father taking care of his kids. and but he vows that he is going to come back into pennsylvania and run through pennsylvania and he says win pennsylvania. i am not sure how he can win pennsylvania after what happened to him yesterday. this is an important block of voters yesterday who said, no way, no how could we support rick santorum. these are two of our leading porn stars. >> bi now, you have probably heard of thecial hopeful rick santorum's anti-pornography policy. >> if elected, santorum has vowed to prosecutor our industry on infrequently enforced obscenity laws. >> as porn stars and americans, we can't let that happen. picture